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Taco John
10-14-2008, 09:23 PM
Poll Says Attacks Backfire on McCain
By MICHAEL COOPER and MEGAN THEE

October 15, 2008

The McCain campaign’s recent angry tone and sharply personal attacks on Senator Barack Obama appear to have backfired and tarnished Senator John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found.

After several weeks in which the McCain campaign unleashed a series of strong political attacks on Mr. Obama, trying to tie him to a former 1960s radical, among other things, the poll found that more voters see Mr. McCain as waging a negative campaign than Mr. Obama. Six in 10 voters surveyed said that Mr. McCain had spent more time attacking Mr. Obama than explaining what he would do as president; by about the same number, voters said Mr. Obama was spending more of his time explaining than attacking.

Over all, the poll found that if the election were held today, 53 percent of those determined to be probable voters said they would vote for Mr. Obama and 39 percent said they would vote for Mr. McCain.

The findings come as the race enters its final three weeks, with the two candidates scheduled to hold their third and last debate on Wednesday night, and as separate polls in critical swing states that could decide the election give Mr. Obama a growing edge. But wide gaps in polls have historically tended to narrow in the closing weeks of the race.

Voters who said their opinions of Mr. Obama had changed recently were twice as likely to say they had grown more favorable as to say they had worsened. And voters who said that their views of Mr. McCain had changed were three times more likely to say that they had worsened than to say they had improved.

The top reasons cited by those who said they thought less of Mr. McCain were his recent attacks and his choice of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate. (The vast majority said their opinions of Mr. Obama of Illinois, the Democratic nominee, and Mr. McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, had remained unchanged in recent weeks.) But in recent days, Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin have scaled back their attacks on Mr. Obama, although Mr. McCain suggested he might aggressively take on Mr. Obama in Wednesday’s debate.

With the election unfolding against the backdrop of an extraordinary economic crisis, a lack of confidence in government, and two wars, the survey described a very inhospitable environment for any Republican to run for office. More than 8 in 10 Americans do not trust the government to do what is right, the highest ever recorded in a Times/CBS News poll. And Mr. McCain is trying to keep the White House in Republican hands at a time when President Bush’s job approval rating is at 24 percent, hovering near its historic low.

While the poll showed Mr. Obama with a 14 percentage-point lead among likely voters in a head-to-head matchup with Mr. McCain, when Ralph Nader and Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate, were included in the question, the race narrowed slightly, with 51 percent of those surveyed saying that they were supporting Mr. Obama and 39 percent supporting Mr. McCain, with Mr. Nader getting the support of 3 percent and Mr. Barr 1 percent. Other national polls have shown Mr. Obama ahead by a smaller margin.

The poll suggested that the overwhelming anxiety about the economy and distrust of government have created a potentially poisonous atmosphere for members of Congress. Only 43 percent of those surveyed said that they approved of their own representative’s job performance, which is considerably lower than approval ratings have been at other times of historic discontent. By way of comparison, just before the Democrats lost control of Congress in 1994, 56 percent of those polled said that they approved of the job their representative was doing.

And after nearly eight years of increasingly unpopular Republican rule in the White House, 52 percent of those polled said that they held a favorable view of the Democratic Party, compared with 37 percent who said they held a favorable view of the Republican Party. Voters said they preferred Democrats to Republicans when it came to questions about who would better handle the issues that are of the greatest concern to voters — including the economy, health care and the war in Iraq.

The nationwide telephone poll was conducted Friday through Monday with 1,070 adults, of whom 972 were registered voters, and it has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for both groups.

After several weeks in which the McCain campaign sought to tie Mr. Obama to William Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground terrorism group, 64 percent of voters said that they had either read or heard something about the subject. But a majority said they were not bothered by Mr. Obama’s background or past associations. Several people said in follow-up interviews that they felt that Mr. McCain’s attacks on Mr. Obama were too rooted in the past, or too unconnected to the nation’s major problems.

“What bothers me is that McCain initially talked about running a campaign on issues and I want to hear him talk about the issues,” said Flavio Lorenzoni, a 59-year-old independent from Manalapan, N.J. “But we’re being constantly bombarded with attacks that aren’t relevant to making a decision about what direction McCain would take the country. McCain hasn’t addressed the real issues. He’s only touched on them very narrowly. This is a time when we need to address issues much more clearly than they ever have been in the past.”

The poll found that Mr. Obama is now supported by majorities of men and independents, two groups that he has been fighting to win over. And the poll found, for the first time, that white voters are just about evenly divided between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, who, if elected, would be the first black president. The poll found that Mr. Obama is supported by 45 percent of white voters — a greater percentage than has voted for Democrats in recent presidential elections, according to exit polls.

Mr. McCain was viewed unfavorably by 41 percent of voters, and favorably by 36 percent. Ms. Palin’s favorability rating is now 32 percent, down 8 points from last month, and her unfavorable rating climbed nine percentage points to 41 percent. Mr. Obama’s favorability rating, by contrast, is now at 50 percent, the highest recorded for him thus far by The Times and CBS News.

There were still some strong findings for Mr. McCain. Sixty-four percent of voters polled said Mr. McCain, 72, was well-prepared for the presidency, which has been a central theme of his campaign. Fifty-one percent said Mr. Obama, 47, was.

But roughly 7 in 10 voters said Mr. Obama had the right kind of temperament and personality to be president; just over half said the same of Mr. McCain.

Mr. Obama’s supporters continued to be more enthusiastic about him than Mr. McCain’s supporters, the poll found, and more of those surveyed said they had confidence in Mr. Obama than in Mr. McCain to make the right decisions about the economy and health care. And while more than 6 in 10 said Mr. Obama understood the needs and problems of people like them, more than half said Mr. McCain did not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us/politics/15poll.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 09:38 PM
Obligatory liberal media sentence.
Obligatory NY Times sentence.
Obligatory Obot sentence.
Obligatory not valid/unbiased source.

Logical
10-14-2008, 09:46 PM
Obligatory liberal media sentence.
Obligatory NY Times sentence.
Obligatory Obot sentence.
Obligatory not valid/unbiased source.Obligatory Kotter post about Bradley effect
Obligatory DEnise post about the destruction of the Democratic party
Obligatory KCJohnny post about the certainty of a McCain victory
Obligatory irrelevant post by Programmer.

Adept Havelock
10-14-2008, 09:52 PM
Obligatory Kotter post about Bradley effect
Obligatory DEnise post about the destruction of the Democratic party
Obligatory KCJohnny post about the certainty of a McCain victory
Obligatory irrelevant post by Programmer.

Obligatory quirky, bizarre, or pithy comment and tangentially related picture from Adept Havelock.
Obligatory "I miss Gaz" post from CRONUS.

Iowanian
10-14-2008, 09:53 PM
Obama will likely win...and Frenchify the United States as much as he can possibly do so in his term(s).

bango
10-14-2008, 09:54 PM
TJ, does this mean that you are leaning more towards the New Woodrow Wilson or do you still not even consider him or the Nixon/Ford/Dole/Bush41 running against him.

bango
10-14-2008, 09:56 PM
I figured that Nader would skim some votes from Obama, but it sounds like Barr is too.

Coach
10-14-2008, 10:00 PM
Well, I guess McCain could try to show his word on that he's commited to change, by changing his name to Jorack Mcbama.

:shrug:

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 10:00 PM
Eh, I stopped reading when I saw NYT/CBS ....... Nuff said.

beer bacon
10-14-2008, 10:03 PM
Obama will likely win...and Frenchify the United States as much as he can possibly do so in his term(s).

Oh my God FRANCE@!!!!! Obama is gonna take away mah freedom fries!!!!

Taco John
10-14-2008, 10:05 PM
TJ, does this mean that you are leaning more towards the New Woodrow Wilson or do you still not even consider him or the Nixon/Ford/Dole/Bush41 running against him.

Ron Paul is getting my vote.

splatbass
10-14-2008, 10:06 PM
Eh, I stopped reading when I saw NYT/CBS ....... Nuff said.

Maybe you would like this one from FoxNews instead, it is a little better for you.

FOX/Opinion Dynamics 10/8-9 McCain 39 Obama 46

Even heavily biased Fox can't make McCain look like a winner....ROFL

Iowanian
10-14-2008, 10:11 PM
Oh my God FRANCE@!!!!! Obama is gonna take away mah freedom fries!!!!

You can put it that way if you need to. I've got definite reasons for my lack of Obama support. His message I like best is that of personal responsibility and accountability. I only wish some of his policies supported that.

Taco John
10-14-2008, 10:11 PM
McCain has sunk to about a 20% chance of winning the election on InTrade... I thought he might rebound with the market, but that apparently isn't happening.

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irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 10:38 PM
Eh, I stopped reading when I saw NYT/CBS ....... Nuff said.

Redundant. I already covered that option.

Logical
10-15-2008, 12:16 AM
Obligatory quirky, bizarre, or pithy comment and tangentially related picture from Adept Havelock.
Obligatory "I miss Gaz" post from CRONUS.ROFL

KCJohnny
10-15-2008, 02:40 AM
NYTs/CBS???

:LOL:

And you guys complain about FOX?

ROFL

HMc
10-15-2008, 04:05 AM
If you read the thread (yeah okay, not gonna happen, my bad), you'll note that even the FOX poll has obama ahead by 8 pts. That's AFTER they've diddled the numbers 8 ways from sunday to pump McCain's stats up.

Frankie
10-15-2008, 08:29 AM
NYT/CBS - Obama widens lead by 14 points

Hey Donger, where are you? Should he have said, "Obama widens lead TO 14 points?"

Frankie
10-15-2008, 08:31 AM
Obama will likely win...and Frenchify the United States as much as he can possibly do so in his term(s).Doesn't France have the best health care system in the world?

RedDread
10-15-2008, 08:32 AM
Those polls don't sample as large a number as most others. The ones that have a higher sample have obama up between 5-8%

ROYC75
10-15-2008, 08:49 AM
Redundant. I already covered that option.


So says the man that gets confused when wiping with his hand or toilet paper .

So coming from you, that's as creditable as NYT / CBS.

Thanks for playing along, it was fun.

irishjayhawk
10-15-2008, 08:50 AM
So says the man that gets confused when wiping with his hand or toilet paper .

So coming from you, that's as creditable as NYT / CBS.

Thanks for playing along, it was fun.

It's a poll. It's as worthwhile as all the other ones. Including the ones that have McCain in a tight race.

How did you pass english class in school?

bkkcoh
10-15-2008, 08:56 AM
Doesn't France have the best health care system in the world?

I thought that was Canada or Great Britian that had the best health care system!

Frankie
10-15-2008, 09:05 AM
Those polls don't sample as large a number as most others.

I'm afraid that's true.

Frankie
10-15-2008, 09:07 AM
I thought that was Canada or Great Britian that had the best health care system!

Somebody posted the rankings I believe on this forum recently. I may have seen it somewhere else though. But it had france number 1 and the U.S. in the 30s, to the best of my vague memory.

DaKCMan AP
10-15-2008, 09:08 AM
How did you pass english class in school?

You're assuming he passed - or that he even enrolled.

ROYC75
10-15-2008, 11:08 AM
It's a poll. It's as worthwhile as all the other ones. Including the ones that have McCain in a tight race.

How did you pass english class in school?

I was doing the teacher man, doing the teacher.

You excuse for ever getting registered for school ?

Dick Bull
10-15-2008, 12:52 PM
I was doing the teacher man, doing the teacher.

You excuse for ever getting registered for school ?

roy: Mr. Garrison I need to make up some grades.

triple
10-15-2008, 12:58 PM
CBS doesnt poll to measure opinion, they poll to then report on the results they desire and create opinion

Thig Lyfe
10-15-2008, 12:59 PM
So says the man that gets confused when wiping with his hand or toilet paper .

So coming from you, that's as creditable as NYT / CBS.

Thanks for playing along, it was fun.

You guys need to get over this whole "liberal media" myth. It's beyond pathetic.

Dave Lane
10-15-2008, 01:13 PM
I thought that was Canada or Great Britian that had the best health care system!

Shhhh be nice he didn't :)

Dave

Frankie
10-15-2008, 02:14 PM
roy: Mr. Garrison I need to make up some grades.

ROFLROFL

Frankie
10-15-2008, 02:16 PM
You guys need to get over this whole "liberal media" myth. It's beyond pathetic.

Especially when most of the media belongs to corporations.

WilliamTheIrish
10-15-2008, 02:35 PM
Landslide.

Calcountry
10-15-2008, 03:02 PM
If you read the thread (yeah okay, not gonna happen, my bad), you'll note that even the FOX poll has obama ahead by 8 pts. That's AFTER they've diddled the numbers 8 ways from sunday to pump McCain's stats up.You mean, the way Acorn didled the registered voter pool?

Calcountry
10-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Hey Donger, where are you? Should he have said, "Obama widens lead TO 14 points?"Welcome to circle jerk planet, I hope you guys enjoy it.

Calcountry
10-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Doesn't France have the best health care system in the world?They have the most nuclear power plants.

Dick Bull
10-15-2008, 03:06 PM
You mean, the way Acorn didled the registered voter pool?

McCain must have taught them that when he spoke to t.heir rally in 2006

Frankie
10-15-2008, 10:14 PM
Welcome to circle jerk planet, I hope you guys enjoy it.

?

Coach
10-15-2008, 10:52 PM
I would not be one bit suprised if that lead increases by tomorrow....

Ultra Peanut
10-16-2008, 12:10 AM
lollin' at the Republicans in this thread

bango
10-16-2008, 05:39 PM
They have the most nuclear power plants.

Don't you mean nukeular power plants?

***SPRAYER
10-16-2008, 05:43 PM
I would not be one bit suprised if that lead increases by tomorrow....

It's all tied up in Ohio


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_election

VAChief
10-16-2008, 06:05 PM
McCain must have taught them that when he spoke to t.heir rally in 2006

Shhh...your disturbing the tin foil circle jerk.

Coach
10-16-2008, 06:45 PM
It's all tied up in Ohio


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_election

And McCain was leading in Ohio during September IIRC.....

Ultra Peanut
10-16-2008, 09:23 PM
It's all tied up in Ohio


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_electionIt's alright, though. McCain can still count on his firewall in <strike>West Virginia</strike> Kentucky.

tiptap
10-16-2008, 09:25 PM
Obama will likely win...and Frenchify the United States as much as he can possibly do so in his term(s).

I am hoping with the warming climate change that Iowa becomes the new center of grape growing.