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dirk digler
10-15-2008, 03:53 PM
That is what I call a maverick :)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/10/exclusive_verizon_gave_cell_to.html

Early in 2007, just as her husband launched his presidential bid, Cindy McCain decided to resolve an old problem -- the lack of cellular telephone coverage on her remote 15-acre ranch near Sedona, nestled deep in a tree-lined canyon called Hidden Valley.

By the time Sen. John McCain's presidential bid was in full swing this summer, the ranch had wireless coverage from the two cellular companies most often used by campaign staff -- Verizon Wireless and AT&T.

Verizon delivered a portable tower know as a "cell site on wheels" -- free of charge -- to Cindy McCain's property in June in response to an online request from Cindy McCain's staff early last year. Such devices are usually reserved for restoring service when cell coverage is knocked out during emergencies, such as hurricanes.

In July, AT&T followed suit, wheeling in a portable tower for free to match Verizon's offer. "This is an unusual situation," said AT&T spokeswoman Claudia B. Jones. "You can't have a presidential nominee in an area where there is not cell coverage."

Over the course of the past year, Cindy McCain had offered land for a permanent cell tower and Verizon embarked on an expensive process to meet her needs, hiring contractors and seeking county land-use permits even though few people other than the McCains would benefit from the tower.

Ethics lawyers said Cindy McCain's dealings with the wireless companies stand out because Sen. John McCain is a senior member of the Senate Commerce Committee, which oversees the Federal Communications Commission and the telecommunications industry. He has been a leading advocate for industry-backed legislation, fighting regulations and taxes on telecommunications services.

McCain and his campaign have close ties to Verizon and AT&T. Five campaign officials, including campaign manager Rick Davis, have worked as lobbyists for Verizon. Former McCain staffer Robert Fisher is an in-house lobbyist for Verizon and is volunteering for the campaign. Fisher, Verizon chief executive Ivan Seidenberg and company lobbyists have raised more than $1.3 million for McCain's presidential campaign and Verizon employees are among the top 20 corporate donors over McCain's political career, giving more than $155,000 to his campaigns.

McCain's Senate chief of staff Mark Buse, senior strategist Charles R. Black Jr., and several other campaign staffers have registered as AT&T lobbyists in the past. AT&T Executive Vice President Timothy McKone and AT&T lobbyists have raised more than $2.3 million for McCain. AT&T employees have donated more than $325,000 to McCain campaigns, putting the company in the No. 3 spot for career donations to McCain, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

"It raises the aura of special consideration for somebody because he is a member of the Senate," said Stanley Brand, a former House counsel for Democrats and an ethics attorney who represents politicians of both parties. "Here is a guy who is campaigning as Mr. Maverick and Mr. Reformer and he keeps skirting the edge."
McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the senator is not a regulator and Cindy McCain received no favors from Verizon.

"Mrs. McCain's staff went through the Website as any member of the general public would -- no string pulling, no phone calls, no involvement of Senate staff," Rogers said. "Just because she is married to a senator doesn't mean she forfeits her right to ask for cell service as any other Verizon customer can."

Verizon navigated a lengthy county regulatory process that hit a snag on environmental concerns. The request ultimately prevailed when Verizon invoked the Secret Service after John McCain secured the Republican nomination.

The Secret Service told The Washington Post it did not formally request the tower. After checking with Verizon and the McCain campaign, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said an e-mail sent in May by the service's technology manager could be perceived as a request for temporary coverage under the service's existing contract with Verizon.

"This was something that was being addressed before we were out there," Zahren said.

The service could have made do with existing cell coverage in the area, he said, because it uses multiple layers of communication, including a secure land radio network.

Verizon spokesman Jeffrey Taylor declined to elaborate. "I am not going to talk about individual customers and their requests," Taylor said.

Taco John
10-15-2008, 03:54 PM
MEh...

beer bacon
10-15-2008, 03:55 PM
william ayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 03:57 PM
Nothing like getting free stuff when you are on the committee that over seas the telecoms.

No wonder he supported not suing the telecoms for spying on Americans

triple
10-15-2008, 04:00 PM
So what?

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:02 PM
So what?

LMAO

So it is ok for McCain to get free cell towers that cost over $25,000 dollars and now he is supposed to be some kind of maverick or reformer...LMAO

PRIEST
10-15-2008, 04:03 PM
Nothing like getting free stuff when you are on the committee that over seas the telecoms.

No wonder he supported not suing the telecoms for spying on Americans


Exactly ,this is what you get from McCain the same ol Washington pat my back I will pat yours .:doh!:

triple
10-15-2008, 04:05 PM
LMAO

So it is ok for McCain to get free cell towers that cost over $25,000 dollars and now he is supposed to be some kind of maverick or reformer...LMAO

They asked the company to fix the dead spot. They did. So?

It is not extraordinary for businesses to complain, such as in an office park, to a carrier that they have poor service and the problem is rectified. At least it used to be back when there were a lot more holes than there are now.

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:09 PM
They asked the company to fix the dead spot. They did. So?

It is not extraordinary for businesses to complain, such as in an office park, to a carrier that they have poor service and the problem is rectified. At least it used to be back when there were a lot more holes than there are now.

If you read the entire piece they didn't fix it and Verizon has since pulled out. These towers were temp towers on wheels provided free of charge.

Also this:

"It is a fairly sparsely populated in that pocket along Oak Creek," said Kathy Houchin, the Yavapai County permitting manager.

Three telecommunications specialists consulted by The Post said the proposed site covers so few users that it is unlikely to generate enough traffic to justify the investment. Robb Alarcon, an industry specialist who helps plan tower placement, said the proposed location appeared to be a "strategic build," free-of-charge coverage to high-priority customers. A former Verizon executive vice president, who asked not to be named because he worked for the company, agreed with Alarcon, saying, "It was a VIP kind of thing."

Verizon spokesman Taylor declined to comment when asked if this had been considered to be a "strategic build."

Reaper16
10-15-2008, 04:10 PM
I'm not pissed about it or anything, but it is a clear conflict of interest.

triple
10-15-2008, 04:11 PM
Nothing like getting free stuff when you are on the committee that over seas the telecoms.

No wonder he supported not suing the telecoms for spying on Americans

What "free stuff"? Cellular service that he was already paying for?

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:11 PM
I'm not pissed about it or anything, but it is a clear conflict of interest.

Exactly. I am not pissed it just shows you that McCain is no maverick or reformer and IMO is just as corrupt as the rest of them.

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:12 PM
What "free stuff"? Cellular service that he was already paying for?

Free cell towers

Verizon delivered a portable tower know as a "cell site on wheels" -- free of charge

RJ
10-15-2008, 04:14 PM
I don't think this is any big deal. But I'll bet it would be a real big deal if the story were about Obama.

triple
10-15-2008, 04:15 PM
Free cell towers

Verizon delivered a portable tower know as a "cell site on wheels" -- free of charge

I don't understand what the problem is. He presumably had Verizon service, the company could not provide said service due to coverage issues, so they fixed it.

Perhaps Verizon et al took it upon themselves to do something they thought might ingratiate their company to the candidate, but I don't see any evidence that he did something that you or I could not do, or that they received anything in return.

Pablo
10-15-2008, 04:16 PM
I don't understand what the problem is. He presumably had Verizon service, the company could not provide said service due to coverage issues, so they fixed it.

Perhaps Verizon et al took it upon themselves to do something they thought might ingratiate their company to the candidate, but I don't see any evidence that he did something that you or I could not do, or that they received anything in return.I'm sure if you or I had an issue with AT&T service at our home, they'd send out a f*cking portable tower to our back-yard.

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:17 PM
I don't think this is any big deal. But I'll bet it would be a real big deal if the story were about Obama.

I think it is a semi-big deal because you and I couldn't call up AT&T and demand a free cell tower so why should he?

IT is BS.

Also I have noticed one thing about McCain he always uses his wife to get around all this stuff. Just like the story that was barely talked about last week where it was revealed that after the Keating Scandal his wife and father had shared deals with Keating for 11 straight years. Are you telling me John didn't know about that? I call Bull fucking shit.

dirk digler
10-15-2008, 04:18 PM
I don't understand what the problem is. He presumably had Verizon service, the company could not provide said service due to coverage issues, so they fixed it.

Perhaps Verizon et al took it upon themselves to do something they thought might ingratiate their company to the candidate, but I don't see any evidence that he did something that you or I could not do, or that they received anything in return.

You can't be serious? They had BOTH Verizon and AT&T come out and give FREE Cell towers and this will all before he was the nominee.

DaFace
10-15-2008, 04:19 PM
MEh...

Agreed.

triple
10-15-2008, 04:24 PM
You can't be serious? They had BOTH Verizon and AT&T come out and give FREE Cell towers and this will all before he was the nominee.

I'm not finding a clear allegation coming from you here.

Surely we can all agree that politicians often receive treatment that regular people do not normally receive. It's not uncommon for them to be comped meals at restaurants or any number of things. I don't know the federal regulations surrounding receiving such complimentary items but I suspect you don't either.

You seem to be implying that there was some quid pro quo here, and I would like to know what reason you have to believe that there was such an arrangement.

I also don't see what he is receiving that anyone else with the kind of contract they probably have would not receive. I'd wager that Verizon makes thousands per month at least off communication services on this account and it only makes good business sense to make that customer happy. I'd do it for John Smith too, if he was cutting us the same size check every month.

RJ
10-15-2008, 04:25 PM
I don't understand what the problem is. He presumably had Verizon service, the company could not provide said service due to coverage issues, so they fixed it.

Perhaps Verizon et al took it upon themselves to do something they thought might ingratiate their company to the candidate, but I don't see any evidence that he did something that you or I could not do, or that they received anything in return.



Most people have to spend hours talking to cell phone companies just to get simple billing problems fixed. I can't think of an industry with worse customer service. You really think they would bring portable cell towers to a remote area for "you or I"?

I don't see any big deal, it was probably a good PR move for them. But no, I don't think they'd have done it for me.

triple
10-15-2008, 04:28 PM
I think it is a semi-big deal because you and I couldn't call up AT&T and demand a free cell tower so why should he?



Verizon delivered a portable tower know as a "cell site on wheels" -- free of charge -- to Cindy McCain's property in June in response to an online request from Cindy McCain's staff early last year.

"Mrs. McCain's staff went through the Website as any member of the general public would -- no string pulling, no phone calls, no involvement of Senate staff," Rogers said.


So, your job in all your huffy outrage would be to disprove Rogers' statement.


Over the course of the past year, Cindy McCain had offered land for a permanent cell tower and Verizon embarked on an expensive process to meet her needs, hiring contractors and seeking county land-use permits even though few people other than the McCains would benefit from the tower.


So, the McCains are in fact donating the land that will be used for the new towers. It's not at all out of the question that if I did such a thing, I could negotiate such an allowance on the part of Verizon.

triple
10-15-2008, 04:36 PM
Most people have to spend hours talking to cell phone companies just to get simple billing problems fixed. I can't think of an industry with worse customer service. You really think they would bring portable cell towers to a remote area for "you or I"?

It's not the fact that John and Cindy are only two human beings; it's how much money they were spending. I've worked with business account customers on service problems, and I can tell you that you can get a heck of a lot of allowances depending on the size of your account.

If I had this piece of equipment available, and a big account wanted it for a couple of months while a permanent tower was going in, and we might be able to work a deal out to get the land for the new tower free, damn right I'd be going up the chain to make that customer happy. I'd probably do it without the land factored in.

But what do you suppose the land is worth? not just the cash value, anyway, but the ease of simply being gifted it rather than acquiring it. A lot of times the hassle of doing something costs more than the doing of it.

Even an individual can call and throw a fit alleging that their DSL has been out and get money taken off their bill. It's how much money you spend that determines how motivated they are to make you happy. Big customers get better service. It's the 80/20 rule. 80% of your profits come from the top 20% of your customers. You pamper those 20%. It's done because it works.

Reaper16
10-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Um, guys? This might be the part that talks about a conflict of interest.


Ethics lawyers said Cindy McCain's dealings with the wireless companies stand out because Sen. John McCain is a senior member of the Senate Commerce Committee, which oversees the Federal Communications Commission and the telecommunications industry. He has been a leading advocate for industry-backed legislation, fighting regulations and taxes on telecommunications services.

Taco John
10-15-2008, 05:20 PM
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I think everybody here knows that if Obama was overseeing a telecom, and this situation had happened, the chorus of Obama hate from the usual suspects would be deafening. They might even go so far as to make themselves believe that Obama is dirty in the whole mess. This is a given.

But in the end, this is a presidential campaign being run in 2008. It is in the company's best interest to ensure that the presidential candidates has more than adequate coverage in the networks that he is subscribed to.

This is not an issue no matter who is involved.

Taco John
10-15-2008, 05:27 PM
I think it is a semi-big deal because you and I couldn't call up AT&T and demand a free cell tower so why should he?

I could call up and demand a free cell tower. People call up and demand stuff all the time. Usually the ones that get that stuff are the ones that are spending a lot of money with them, or are in some way notable to the company's bottom line.

Besides, government IS influence. You can't seperate a politician from his office. Crying about influence is pointless unless you're committed to weakening that influence.

banyon
10-15-2008, 06:35 PM
I'm not finding a clear allegation coming from you here.

Surely we can all agree that politicians often receive treatment that regular people do not normally receive. It's not uncommon for them to be comped meals at restaurants or any number of things. I don't know the federal regulations surrounding receiving such complimentary items but I suspect you don't either.

You seem to be implying that there was some quid pro quo here, and I would like to know what reason you have to believe that there was such an arrangement.

I also don't see what he is receiving that anyone else with the kind of contract they probably have would not receive. I'd wager that Verizon makes thousands per month at least off communication services on this account and it only makes good business sense to make that customer happy. I'd do it for John Smith too, if he was cutting us the same size check every month.


It must be a lot more than mine. After I had been in Dodge City for a month, AT&T sent me a nasty letter saying "YOU'RE USING OTHER PEOPLE'S CELL TOWERS FUG YOU WE ARE TERMINATING YOUR CONTRACT IN 2 WEEKS GO TO HELL".

Had to sell my Treo because all I can get out here is Alltel. :cuss:

Frankie
10-15-2008, 10:45 PM
They asked the company to fix the dead spot. They did. So?

So if you or Joe Sixpack lived where there was no reception you can just ask the company and they will fix it for you for free.... I get it now.

Frankie
10-15-2008, 10:48 PM
I don't understand what the problem is. He presumably had Verizon service, the company could not provide said service due to coverage issues, so they fixed it.

Perhaps Verizon et al took it upon themselves to do something they thought might ingratiate their company to the candidate, but I don't see any evidence that he did something that you or I could not do, or that they received anything in return.

I stopped at "I don't understand."... You sir will vote for McCain, and let me guess, you voted for George Bush, didn'cha?

Frankie
10-15-2008, 10:52 PM
Nothing like getting free stuff when you are on the committee that over seas the telecoms.

Bottom Line.

Logical
10-15-2008, 10:59 PM
They asked the company to fix the dead spot. They did. So?

It is not extraordinary for businesses to complain, such as in an office park, to a carrier that they have poor service and the problem is rectified. At least it used to be back when there were a lot more holes than there are now.Do you think anyone but the McCains benefited from those towers and would the average businessperson get coverage from both companies?:rolleyes: