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|Zach|
10-15-2008, 08:43 PM
The two being so close to each other made for a better debate IMO. It wasn't just chunks of rehearsed campaign stuff as much as the other two debates were.

Obama seemed sharp as always. McCain attacked him pretty skillfully but didn't draw any blood.

Just my thoughts.

So do you think this debate changed the dynamic of the Presidential race?

|Zach|
10-15-2008, 08:46 PM
I was surprised McCain kept linking Sarah Palin to autism so strongly. Her child has downs syndrome.

Captain Obvious
10-15-2008, 09:18 PM
Nope.

ROYC75
10-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Nope, McCain had openings to drive his message home and discredit Obama and didn't. McCain and his campaign are soft.

Logical
10-15-2008, 09:32 PM
My opinion is unless Racism is a major, major player this debate ended the campaign effectively for McCain.

Infidel Goat
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
If I weren't agnostic, I'd say, "God bless President Obama."

RJ
10-15-2008, 10:06 PM
If I weren't agnostic, I'd say, "God bless President Obama."


If I weren't agnostic, I'd say, "pray for President Obama".

Coach
10-15-2008, 10:12 PM
No. McCain needed to pull a Regan-like when Regan pulled off the "There you go again" comment to Jimmy Carter, along with the "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Didn't do neither one. That one comment about running against Bush, should have done it 4 years ago, was good, but unfortunately, didn't have much effect, if at all.

patteeu
10-15-2008, 11:46 PM
If this were a boxing match, it looked to me like McCain kept landing body blow after body blow while Obama was covering up and defensive. Unfortunately for McCain, he didn't even knock Obama down, much less knock him out. Good showing by McCain, mediocre showing by Obama but that was probably enough for him barring additional developments.

patteeu
10-15-2008, 11:48 PM
I was surprised McCain kept linking Sarah Palin to autism so strongly. Her child has downs syndrome.

That was an odd thing to do. Even if her kid had autism, it was weird for him to focus so much attention on that one affliction. Is there a huge autism vote up for grabs or something?

OnTheWarpath58
10-15-2008, 11:49 PM
No. McCain needed to pull a Regan-like when Regan pulled off the "There you go again" comment to Jimmy Carter, along with the "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Didn't do neither one. That one comment about running against Bush, should have done it 4 years ago, was good, but unfortunately, didn't have much effect, if at all.

It's not going to have the intended effect when it's thrown back in your face by your opponent.

Paraphrasing - I'm sorry I've confused you with Bush, it's just that you share his economic policies - or something to that effect.

Ultra Peanut
10-16-2008, 12:05 AM
I said it in the discussion thread, but this felt a lot like a denouement. It's all but settled, McCain gets to throw out whatever he's got, Obama gets to once again present a presidential face to America, and then that's that. Even with the election being three weeks away, it feels... finished, kind of.

So no, no change. In fact, I would say the amount of change was:

Zero.

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Alphaman
10-16-2008, 05:20 AM
If this were a boxing match, it looked to me like McCain kept landing body blow after body blow while Obama was covering up and defensive. Unfortunately for McCain, he didn't even knock Obama down, much less knock him out. Good showing by McCain, mediocre showing by Obama but that was probably enough for him barring additional developments.


I liken it to a basketball game. Last night was the beginning of the 4th quarter of a game that Obama had a big lead in. McCain needed to make a serious run (like a 20-2 spurt) in the first 8 minutes of a 12 minute quarter to make the last 4 minutes interesting. He didn't do it. I think he had a strong night, but Obama stayed with him enough to keep the blowout in tact. In basketball scoring McCain's first 8 minutes of the 4th quarter were something like 16-12. That's not going to help close the gap on a 25 point deficit.

Friendo
10-16-2008, 05:51 AM
That was an odd thing to do. Even if her kid had autism, it was weird for him to focus so much attention on that one affliction. Is there a huge autism vote up for grabs or something?

my thoughts too. I was wondering if he was trying to set up for some arcane "gotcha" moment--just more lurching I s'pose :shrug:

BigRedChief
10-16-2008, 06:36 AM
If this were a boxing match, it looked to me like McCain kept landing body blow after body blow while Obama was covering up and defensive. Unfortunately for McCain, he didn't even knock Obama down, much less knock him out. Good showing by McCain, mediocre showing by Obama but that was probably enough for him barring additional developments.
Mediocre? The neo-cons would be doing cartwheels all day if McCain had won the debate in almost all polls 51% - 32%. But your candidate got knocked out again by Obama. Your partisanship is showing.

patteeu
10-16-2008, 07:11 AM
Mediocre? The neo-cons would be doing cartwheels all day if McCain had won the debate in almost all polls 51% - 32%. But your candidate got knocked out again by Obama. Your partisanship is showing.

Someone's partisanship is showing alright. Obama was on the defensive pretty much the whole night. He didn't crumble, but to say he knocked McCain out is ludicrous.

I listened to the analysis of no less a partisan than Lanny Davis last night after the debate. He said that anyone who listened to the debate on radio would have scored the debate a McCain victory. He gave Obama the TV victory on the basis of Obama's appearance but didn't even try to make the case that Obama did anything other than look good. I agree with Lanny Davis. But I'm certain that those who evaluate these debates on the basis of how good the candidates look and how eloquent they are, without regard to what it is that they are actually saying, would agree with you.

BigRedChief
10-16-2008, 07:16 AM
Obama was on the defensive pretty much the whole night. He didn't crumble, but to say he knocked McCain out is ludicrous.
welllll the American people have spoken and they say that McCain got knocked out. Even Fox News polls say he got knocked out.

Nows the point where you call the American public stupid, right?

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 07:29 AM
I don't see how last night changed anything other then making Joe The Plumber famous.

King_Chief_Fan
10-16-2008, 07:30 AM
welllll the American people have spoken and they say that McCain got knocked out. Even Fox News polls say he got knocked out.

Nows the point where you call the American public stupid, right?

Well, the media is running the election and doing what ever they can to get the socialist elected.

BigRedChief
10-16-2008, 07:32 AM
Well, the media is running the election and doing what ever they can to get the socialist elected.
Got some more conspiracy's that you would like to share? Do we all need to order some tin hats?

patteeu
10-16-2008, 07:43 AM
welllll the American people have spoken and they say that McCain got knocked out. Even Fox News polls say he got knocked out.

Nows the point where you call the American public stupid, right?

Only the ones who think Obama knocked McCain out by doing anything other than surviving the night.

BigRedChief
10-16-2008, 07:51 AM
Only the ones who think Obama knocked McCain out by doing anything other than surviving the night.
Your not going to have any fun the next 4 years are you?ROFL

You'll have to stop by more often and share some jaggerbombs to help you cope.

penchief
10-16-2008, 08:34 AM
Nope, McCain had openings to drive his message home and discredit Obama and didn't. McCain and his campaign are soft.

And vice versa. Obama let quite a few softballs go by. He also didn't respond to some of McCain's mischaracterizations. My impression is that he did so because he wanted to stay above McCain's level of pettiness as a point of distinction for the voters.

penchief
10-16-2008, 08:38 AM
Only the ones who think Obama knocked McCain out by doing anything other than surviving the night.

In all three debates, Obama has come accross as way more presidential, way more thoughtful, and way more pragmatic. The country is tired of ideological attack dog politics that always result in the people getting screwed. To a lot of voters, the results aren't going to change until we change the tone.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 08:55 AM
My opinion is unless Racism is a major, major player this debate ended the campaign effectively for McCain.

Racism is a major factor in favor of Obama, if you consider voting for someone based on the color of his skin racism.

Infidel Goat
10-16-2008, 08:56 AM
Someone's partisanship is showing alright. Obama was on the defensive pretty much the whole night. He didn't crumble, but to say he knocked McCain out is ludicrous.

I listened to the analysis of no less a partisan than Lanny Davis last night after the debate. He said that anyone who listened to the debate on radio would have scored the debate a McCain victory. He gave Obama the TV victory on the basis of Obama's appearance but didn't even try to make the case that Obama did anything other than look good. I agree with Lanny Davis. But I'm certain that those who evaluate these debates on the basis of how good the candidates look and how eloquent they are, without regard to what it is that they are actually saying, would agree with you.


I listened to 30 minutes of the debate on the radio. I think it just magnifies the fact that McCain stumbles over so many of his lines.

Sorry.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-16-2008, 08:58 AM
Racism is a major factor in favor of Obama, if you consider voting for someone based on the color of his skin racism.

Because it's not like black people supported Kerry and Gore by a 90-10 margin or anything.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 08:59 AM
Because it's not like black people supported Kerry and Gore by a 90-10 margin or anything.

I enjoy all these manufactured excuses that are coming out now, McCain is a shit ass candidate, deal with it conservatives.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 09:00 AM
Because it's not like black people supported Kerry and Gore by a 90-10 margin or anything.

Kid, if you are going to say that a large number of voters aren't voting for Obama because they want a black president then you may as well pack it in.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 09:01 AM
I enjoy all these manufactured excuses that are coming out now, McCain is a shit ass candidate, deal with it conservatives.

For what do you think an excuse needs to be made?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-16-2008, 09:02 AM
Kid, if you are going to say that a large number of voters aren't voting for Obama because they want a black president then you may as well pack it in.

ROFL...If you really think that the number of people who are voting for Obama that wouldn't normally vote for him are doing so on basis of his race, I think it's pretty telling who the racist is.

Just another pathetic attempt to clutch to identity politics from the lunatic fringe.

Sully
10-16-2008, 09:02 AM
Kid, if you are going to say that a large number of voters aren't voting for Obama because they want a black president then you may as well pack it in.

And if you are sayng that he has some huge advantage because of it, ignoring the fact that nearly the same pecentage of AAs would vote Dem, anyway...then you may as well pack it in.

NewChief
10-16-2008, 09:02 AM
I liken it to a basketball game. Last night was the beginning of the 4th quarter of a game that Obama had a big lead in. McCain needed to make a serious run (like a 20-2 spurt) in the first 8 minutes of a 12 minute quarter to make the last 4 minutes interesting. He didn't do it. I think he had a strong night, but Obama stayed with him enough to keep the blowout in tact. In basketball scoring McCain's first 8 minutes of the 4th quarter were something like 16-12. That's not going to help close the gap on a 25 point deficit.

Good analogy. He had a brief spurt at the beginning that seemed like a huge momentum shift. It got the trialing underdog's hopes up, and it seemed like he just might pull out a long shot. Then the superior team wrested back control with a couple of threes and a slam dunk before putting the game away with a four corners drill.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 09:02 AM
For what do you think an excuse needs to be made?

Are you really asking that question...

RJ
10-16-2008, 09:05 AM
Kid, if you are going to say that a large number of voters aren't voting for Obama because they want a black president then you may as well pack it in.


Not that it could ever be proven, but I'd bet that there will be more votes for McCain cast by people who want a white President than there will for Obama by people who want a black President.

But on this point we can probably agree - selecting a candidate based on race isn't very smart.

RJ
10-16-2008, 09:07 AM
Good analogy. He had a brief spurt at the beginning that seemed like a huge momentum shift. It got the trialing underdog's hopes up, and it seemed like he just might pull out a long shot. Then the superior team wrested back control with a couple of threes and a slam dunk before putting the game away with a four corners drill.



The only reason they won is the liberal referees.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 09:36 AM
Not that it could ever be proven, but I'd bet that there will be more votes for McCain cast by people who want a white President than there will for Obama by people who want a black President.

But on this point we can probably agree - selecting a candidate based on race isn't very smart.

I wonder if it is possible to quantify the number of people who have never voted but will vote this election because there is a black candidate?
There are general references to the subject but I've not seen any hard numbers.

I agree with you, voting for POTUS based on his skin color black or white is a bad practice in general and is particularly bad for the US right now given the serious issues with which we are faced.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 09:39 AM
Good analogy. He had a brief spurt at the beginning that seemed like a huge momentum shift. It got the trialing underdog's hopes up, and it seemed like he just might pull out a long shot. Then the superior team wrested back control with a couple of threes and a slam dunk before putting the game away with a four corners drill.

Oh sure let's bring up basketball. Why not hockey or baseball? I'tll tell you why: because a black man is running for president!
I suppose you want me to drink chocolate milk instead of regular?
I will NOT be held down by the man.
CAN A BROTHA GET A TABLE DANCE????!!!!!

NewChief
10-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Oh sure let's bring up basketball. Why not hockey or baseball? I'tll tell you why: because a black man is running for president!
I suppose you want me to drink chocolate milk instead of regular?
I will NOT be held down by the man.
CAN A BROTHA GET A TABLE DANCE????!!!!!

I wonder if "Home of the Chiefs" will have the same ring when it's yelled out during the new National Rap?

vailpass
10-16-2008, 10:04 AM
I wonder if "Home of the Chiefs" will have the same ring when it's yelled out during the new National Rap?

ROFL
You're killing me here but I have to admit that's funny.

StcChief
10-16-2008, 10:31 AM
The only reason they won is the liberal referees.
no doubt. I lost even more respect for Scheiffer last nite. WOW. what a terrible job keeping it fair and balanced, reply to correct or demand answers to questions.

the network use of split screen etc.....

StcChief
10-16-2008, 10:33 AM
I wonder if "Home of the Chiefs" will have the same ring when it's yelled out during the new National Rap?

no but the echo chamber that will be the Arrowhead will... with your disposable incoming being sent to Gov't.

vailpass
10-16-2008, 10:47 AM
Did anybody see the Conan O'Brien sketch where they had McCain wandering aimlessly across the debate stage and other locales?
Pretty funny though not as funny as those Harlem interviews with the Obama baackers on the Stern show.

***SPRAYER
10-16-2008, 10:47 AM
I cannot vote for John McCain. He has committed pure folly throughout this campaign. If he was going to demonstrate nothing but incompetence, he should have removed himself from the primaries.

Right now, I could have one of two governors, with no SHITSTAIN OF WASHINGTON DC on them-- Huckabee or Romney.

Either one would have faired much better during this economic disaster.

McCain did not judge himself very well.

RJ
10-16-2008, 10:56 AM
I cannot vote for John McCain. He has committed pure folly throughout this campaign. If he was going to demonstrate nothing but incompetence, he should have removed himself from the primaries.

Right now, I could have one of two governors, with no SHITSTAIN OF WASHINGTON DC on them-- Huckabee or Romney.

Either one would have faired much better during this economic disaster.

McCain did not judge himself very well.



Ouch.

patteeu
10-16-2008, 11:51 AM
I listened to 30 minutes of the debate on the radio. I think it just magnifies the fact that McCain stumbles over so many of his lines.

Sorry.

No need to be sorry. I understand that even among the radio audience there are people who put style ahead of substance.

BIG_DADDY
10-16-2008, 11:59 AM
I think this was McCains best showing. The problem here is he needed to go for the jugular and he didn't. He didn't even finish subjects he should have. I have to say I am very disappointed in his lack of aggression. It's like he has naked pictures of his wife but he won't show them to anyone.

Taco John
10-16-2008, 12:16 PM
No need to be sorry. I understand that even among the radio audience there are people who put style ahead of substance.


George W. Bush got elected, didn't he?

vailpass
10-16-2008, 12:29 PM
George W. Bush got elected, didn't he?

Not so much elected as he was POTUS by default due to the absolute stiffs the Dems ran against him.

Ultra Peanut
10-16-2008, 02:32 PM
Kid, if you are going to say that a large number of voters aren't voting for Obama because they want a black president then you may as well pack it in.Yeah. We love boosting our egos by voting black people into national office. That's why this Magic Negro was our THIRD black Senator since Reconstruction. I'm SURE the reason things are close in West Fucking Virginia is because all of those hill people are jumping for joy at the thought of voting for a black man.

Find some evidence.*

*Laffo. Like you need evidence to spout off your insipid thoughts.