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jeffery
10-16-2008, 07:25 AM
why would any HARD working american want to have a president that takes your tax dollars and gives them to americans who dont want to get a job or educate themselves...i have health care because, i picked my ass off the couch and went and GOT a job...nobody handed it to me i had to earn it...why would we want a president who is not proud of my country, our country...he wont wear a U.S. flag lappel, he wont place his hand over his heart during the national anthem, his wife said that for the first time in her adult life she wa proud of her country, his pastor of 20 yrs preaches "God damn America", and to top it off he goes out and parades with knonw national terrorist...why would we elect a president who has roughly 6 mo of political experiance...please someone enlighten me...oh becuase the economy is President Bush's fault....wrong again congress is ran by the dems and has been done so for the last 2 yrs...i am pretty sure 2 yrs ago we didnt have this problem....and number 2...its our greed that has put us in this mess anyways...if you know you cant afford a house why buy the thing with some obscure loan that has an intrest rate increase in 2 yrs or is an intrest only loan....why banks give theese people the loan is beyond me, surley they know they wont get there money....



so if anyone has someinsight into this please let me know.




tax the plumber to give money to the poor so they can afford to call the plumber....oh wait...if you tax the plumber he is going to have to raise his price or fire some employees or shut down all together...right?

Sully
10-16-2008, 07:29 AM
I'm teetering.
This may all hinge on this particular candidate's middle name...or his religion.
Any info on that?

jeffery
10-16-2008, 07:33 AM
dont get me started on that...terrorist motherf#$ker

Sully
10-16-2008, 07:35 AM
dont get me started on that...terrorist motherf#$ker

He's a terrorist!???!

Holy shit!!!!

RJ
10-16-2008, 07:35 AM
Is this a forwarded email?

Saggysack
10-16-2008, 07:36 AM
dum dee dum

KILLER_CLOWN
10-16-2008, 07:36 AM
alright this is someones sock, whodunit?

patteeu
10-16-2008, 07:38 AM
There's a sucker born every minute and we've lived through a lot of minutes, that's why.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-16-2008, 07:41 AM
There's a sucker born every minute and we've lived through a lot of minutes, that's why.

The answer to 1984 is 1776! ;)

jeffery
10-16-2008, 07:41 AM
i will take a bullet, bleed my own blood in order to make sure those stripes on that great and beautiful flag stay red

jAZ
10-16-2008, 07:43 AM
With that thinking, you should cancel your health insurance then. Because those bastard insurance companies all tax your paycheck and give it to other americans who just aren't as good as you. And I bet some of them are muslims too. And I bet some of them are communist terrorists too.

Saggysack
10-16-2008, 07:47 AM
i will take a bullet, bleed my own blood in order to make sure those stripes on that great and beautiful flag stay red

and white too.

Sully
10-16-2008, 08:11 AM
How do you make sure the blood only gets on the stripes? Do you tape off the rest of the flag? Even so, assuming this flag is made of some sort of fabric, I'd think there would be some issue of seepage or running.

Maybe you haven't thought this plan out as well as you should've. Don't take that bullet, quite yet.

BigChiefFan
10-16-2008, 08:14 AM
So Obama is UNAmerican now? Yep, you Republicans are clutching at straws in desperation mode. Squirm a little more.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 08:15 AM
Is this Roys alter ego? It would be fitting since he has my given name.

Sully
10-16-2008, 08:17 AM
How do you make sure the blood only gets on the stripes? Do you tape off the rest of the flag? Even so, assuming this flag is made of some sort of fabric, I'd think there would be some issue of seepage or running.

Maybe you haven't thought this plan out as well as you should've. Don't take that bullet, quite yet.

After more thought...maybe you know a person who is handy with the sewing machine. If that's the case, then I guess you could take the flag apart...just bleed on the red parts, and then after it dried you could have said person sew it back together.
But another problem arises. Blood dries as a brownish color...not the bright red you picture with the flag, at all. So I think it owuld completely mess up your color scheme. I'm not sure it even dries in a uniform manner, either. So it could end up blotchy. This may not be a deal breaker...but I think we should all go into this with our eyes open.

KCJohnny
10-16-2008, 08:17 AM
So Obama is UNAmerican now? Yep, you Republicans are clutching at straws in desperation mode. Squirm a little more.

Please, why don't you inform us about Obama's pro-America credentials. His anti-American credentials are quite a cause for any voter's concern that can see beyond the vagueries of "change", "hope" and "failed policies of the last 8 years"...

Sully
10-16-2008, 08:19 AM
Please, why don't you inform us about Obama's pro-America credentials.

Ooh! Ooh!
I'll start!!!
1) He's an American!!!!
2) He's runnign for president of the United States of America!!!


Those are two pretty good ones.

BigChiefFan
10-16-2008, 08:19 AM
Please, why don't you inform us about Obama's pro-America credentials. His anti-American credentials are quite a cause for any voter's concern that can see beyond the vagueries of "change", "hope" and "failed policies of the last 8 years"... I think it's well documented, but that won't stop you from your typical Obama HATRED-great Christian values there.
Love the unborn, but hate fellow Americans-great moral conviction there, John.

KCJohnny
10-16-2008, 08:24 AM
I think it's well documented, but that won't stop you from your typical Obama HATRED-great Christian values there.
Love the unborn, but hate fellow Americans-great moral conviction there, John.

Typical. Attack the opponent, and not the issue. Please, try to answer the question if you can: what are Senator Obama's pro-American credentials?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 08:24 AM
I think this guy just read a bunch of email garbage and believed it, I don't think there is any help for him.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 08:24 AM
Typical. Attack the opponent, and not the issue. Please, try to answer the question if you can: what are Senator Obama's pro-American credentials?

I think being a Lawyer of constitutional law is a pretty good credential...

whatsmynameagain
10-16-2008, 08:30 AM
mccain didn't wear a flagpin last night, fuckin nazi!

jeffery
10-16-2008, 10:58 AM
McCain doesnt refuse to wear one either....Obama does not wear one because that is a symbol, of opression to other countries....Obama said that him self

|Zach|
10-16-2008, 11:03 AM
McCain doesnt refuse to wear one either....Obama does not wear one because that is a symbol, of opression to other countries....Obama said that him self

Yea.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/21922/thumbs/s-OBAMA-FLAG-PIN-large.jpg

http://endued.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/barack-obama-flag-pin.jpg

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/nucleus/media/21/20080225-obamalapelpin.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00028/obama-flag-pin_28043t.jpg

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:07 AM
We can post some vids of Obama doing the pledge too, pretty much all the stuff you said was debunked months ago...

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:14 AM
Is this Roys alter ego? It would be fitting since he has my given name.

:spock: What ? You are an idiot dude.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:14 AM
People are desperate for "Change" and that's was Obama represenets. They don't care what kind of change, they just want change even though it could lead to greater problems. I guess in 4 years we will have the verdict of the liberal and socialistic policies that Obama wants to implement.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:14 AM
:spock: What ? You are an idiot dude.

Do you take the time to read your posts?

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:16 AM
Do you take the time to read your posts?

I do, but you don't.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:18 AM
I do, but you don't.

When I read your posts.......I'm reminded of the idiotic phrase I hate "Joe six pack"

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:18 AM
Is this Roys alter ego? It would be fitting since he has my given name.

Just what are you trying to say here ?

My Ego ?

My given name ?

Please explain, you left it open.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
When I read your posts.......I'm reminded of the idiotic phrase I hate "Joe six pack"

What does Joe six pack have to do with me ?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
How hard is that to figure out.....it reminded me of something you'd post and the poster has my real life name.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:20 AM
How hard is that to figure out.....it reminded me of something you'd post and the poster has my real life name.

Please post, I have no clue what you are talking about .

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:23 AM
Thanks for proving my point...

|Zach|
10-16-2008, 11:26 AM
They don't care what kind of change

False.

Pablo
10-16-2008, 11:27 AM
It really wasn't that hard to decipher...

Mecca made a joke about the poster being Roy's alter-ego..and thought it was funny since the poster, jeffery, has Mecca's real name for his CP name.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:28 AM
It really wasn't that hard to decipher...

Mecca made a joke about the poster being Roy's alter-ego..and thought it was funny since the poster, jeffery, has Mecca's real name for his CP name.

That's what I thought, remind me not to be so difficult to understand for the slow people next time.

Sully
10-16-2008, 11:32 AM
People are desperate for "Change" and that's was Obama represenets. They don't care what kind of change, they just want change even though it could lead to greater problems. I guess in 4 years we will have the verdict of the liberal and socialistic policies that Obama wants to implement.

So then, you agree that the blowout that is about to happen is a verdict on 8 years of the Republican policies that Bush implemented?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:34 AM
So then, you agree that the blowout that is about to happen is a verdict on 8 years of the Republican policies that Bush implemented?

Isn't this shit funny, conservatives have 6 years of total control and now people who decide it was fucked up so they're going the other way are making a mistake.

How's that make remotely any sense?

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:37 AM
It really wasn't that hard to decipher...

Mecca made a joke about the poster being Roy's alter-ego..and thought it was funny since the poster, jeffery, has Mecca's real name for his CP name.

I wasn't aware Mecca's name was Jeffery.

So I asked how this was directed towards me.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:38 AM
And if you call me Jeffery I will kill you.....no one has ever or will ever call me that.

Pablo
10-16-2008, 11:38 AM
I wasn't aware Mecca's name was Jeffery.

So I asked how this was directed towards me.Neither was I before that post. I had no idea what his real name was. But that's just how it read to me.

Pablo
10-16-2008, 11:39 AM
And if you call me Jeffery I will kill you.....no one has ever or will ever call me that.Whatever you say Jeffa.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:40 AM
Isn't this shit funny, conservatives have 6 years of total control and now people who decide it was ****ed up so they're going the other way are making a mistake.

How's that make remotely any sense?


All hell broke lose the last 2 years in the economy ........ But to be fair, all of this was set up since 1999. The dominoes have been getting aligned up for several years and Osama bin Laden just tipped over the first one, they have been falling ever since.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:41 AM
And if you call me Jeffery I will kill you.....no one has ever or will ever call me that.

Why is this ? You not proud of your name ?

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:42 AM
False.

Game Changer!

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:42 AM
Why is this ? You not proud of your name ?

Uh everyone calls me Jeff, I don't like being called Jeffery.

Mr. Kotter
10-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Jeff....? :hmmm:



FOXWORTHY!!!!

Dang, I can't believe I'm the first one to notice....love your act, BTW. :thumb:

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:45 AM
So then, you agree that the blowout that is about to happen is a verdict on 8 years of the Republican policies that Bush implemented?

In my opinion, partly yes, or a lack there of implementing policies. Of course I really don't know if you can brand those Republican, they certainly were not fiscally conservative ones. I'm not really sure how you would classify a reduce taxes and increase spending policy. At least Liberals would want to raise taxes to pay for the increased in spending.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:46 AM
Jeff....? :hmmm:



FOXWORTHY!!!!

Dang, I can't believe I'm the first one to notice....love your act, BTW. :thumb:

You might be a redneck if you think John McCain is losing this election due to the liberal media.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:46 AM
Uh everyone calls me Jeff, I don't like being called Jeffery.

So if Jeffery is your name, why is it not acceptable for you when people are calling you by your real first name ? There has to be a reason ? And to say that you will kill them is unacceptable. Makes me want to call you Jeffery , but I will wait till you respond with a good reason why we shouldn't call you Jeffery .

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:47 AM
In my opinion, partly yes, or a lack there of implementing policies. Of course I really don't know if you can brand those Republican, they certainly were not fiscally conservative ones. I'm not really sure how you would classify a reduce taxes and increase spending policy. At least Liberals would want to raise taxes to pay for the increased in spending.

Truth be told there is no such thing as a fiscal conservative, Republicans are basically just socially conservative and that's about it.

J Diddy
10-16-2008, 11:47 AM
So if Jeffery is your name, why is it not acceptable for you when people are calling you by your real first name ? There has to be a reason ? And to say that you will kill them is unacceptable. Makes me want to call you Jeffery , but I will wait till you respond with a good reason why we shouldn't call you Jeffery .


because i too am a Jeff and it will get confusing.

I am Jeffrey and I don't like being called that. Seems like the only one who ever did that was my mom when she was pissed at me.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:48 AM
So if Jeffery is your name, why is it not acceptable for you when people are calling you by your real first name ? There has to be a reason ? And to say that you will kill them is unacceptable. Makes me want to call you Jeffery , but I will wait till you respond with a good reason why we shouldn't call you Jeffery .

Because I'm not 5 and in trouble with my mother?

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 11:49 AM
Because I'm not 5 and in trouble with my mother?



ROFL ROFL OK, Jeff . That made me laugh !

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:49 AM
Isn't this shit funny, conservatives have 6 years of total control and now people who decide it was ****ed up so they're going the other way are making a mistake.

How's that make remotely any sense?

Conservative policies were not put in place in those 6 years.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:51 AM
Conservative policies were not put in place in those 6 years.

Because the party isn't conservative anymore, they spend, they increased government size...haven't you heard the term "i didn't leave the republican party it left me"

They aren't anything they say they are, they puppet up social conservative issues to play to the religious and that's about it.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:51 AM
Truth be told there is no such thing as a fiscal conservative, Republicans are basically just socially conservative and that's about it.

Bill Clinton.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:52 AM
Because the party isn't conservative anymore, they spend, they increased government size...haven't you heard the term "i didn't leave the republican party it left me"

They aren't anything they say they are, they puppet up social conservative issues to play to the religious and that's about it.

It sure has. Hopefully after losing power we can get back to those principles.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Because I'm not 5 and in trouble with my mother?

JEFFREY.... Why don't you come in here and rub mom's tushie for a little bit. :)

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:54 AM
It sure has. Hopefully after losing power we can get back to those principles.

To be completely honest with you I can understand fiscally conservative views, Clinton was probably close to what a Republican president would be than the last couple of Republican presidents yet they all hated him...

I just can't stand their absolutely ridiculous social views, I find them offensive.

Thig Lyfe
10-16-2008, 11:56 AM
Typical. Attack the opponent, and not the issue. Please, try to answer the question if you can: what are Senator Obama's pro-American credentials?

This post is just drenched in delicious irony.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 11:58 AM
To be completely honest with you I can understand fiscally conservative views, Clinton was probably close to what a Republican president would be than the last couple of Republican presidents yet they all hated him...

I just can't stand their absolutely ridiculous social views, I find them offensive.

I can, they just aren't presented in a tactful and compassionate way a majority of the time.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 11:59 AM
I can, they just aren't presented in a tactful and compassionate way a majority of the time.

I can't vote for people who puppet the views of the religious right when I don't think religion should have anything to do with government or laws or the way the country is run.

Thig Lyfe
10-16-2008, 12:01 PM
I can't vote for people who puppet the views of the religious right when I don't think religion should have anything to do with government or laws or the way the country is run.

Yep. Religion is fuckin' retarded and has no place in an adult-run world.

Sully
10-16-2008, 12:02 PM
In my opinion, partly yes, or a lack there of implementing policies. Of course I really don't know if you can brand those Republican, they certainly were not fiscally conservative ones. I'm not really sure how you would classify a reduce taxes and increase spending policy. At least Liberals would want to raise taxes to pay for the increased in spending.

Republicans were completely in charge for 6 of the past 8 years. How can you call it anything BUT Republican policy?

Bowser
10-16-2008, 12:02 PM
why would any HARD working american want to have a president that takes your tax dollars and gives them to americans who dont want to get a job or educate themselves...i have health care because, i picked my ass off the couch and went and GOT a job...nobody handed it to me i had to earn it...why would we want a president who is not proud of my country, our country...he wont wear a U.S. flag lappel, he wont place his hand over his heart during the national anthem, his wife said that for the first time in her adult life she wa proud of her country, his pastor of 20 yrs preaches "God damn America", and to top it off he goes out and parades with knonw national terrorist...why would we elect a president who has roughly 6 mo of political experiance...please someone enlighten me...oh becuase the economy is President Bush's fault....wrong again congress is ran by the dems and has been done so for the last 2 yrs...i am pretty sure 2 yrs ago we didnt have this problem....and number 2...its our greed that has put us in this mess anyways...if you know you cant afford a house why buy the thing with some obscure loan that has an intrest rate increase in 2 yrs or is an intrest only loan....why banks give theese people the loan is beyond me, surley they know they wont get there money....



so if anyone has someinsight into this please let me know.




tax the plumber to give money to the poor so they can afford to call the plumber....oh wait...if you tax the plumber he is going to have to raise his price or fire some employees or shut down all together...right?

This popped to mind for some odd reason...

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BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 12:07 PM
I can't vote for people who puppet the views of the religious right when I don't think religion should have anything to do with government or laws or the way the country is run.

This is a debate in itself, but Christianity should not be a enitity of any political party. The purpose of Christianity is to make right with the world that once went wrong and the way Jesus did this was starting with the bottom class of people and showed them a new way to be human. He did not want to be a part of the political system or elites in the Jewish hierachy. That's the way things should be changed. You don't mandate laws to stop abortions(while I am opposed to RvW),the best solution is touch the hearts of the young men and women and help them to choose the path of life, by showing them the beauty in it. You should take legality out of the equation by influncing people in a postive way and not making the fact that it's legal make them think it's the best way to go.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:09 PM
Did we actually just find common ground?

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 12:11 PM
I can't vote for people who puppet the views of the religious right when I don't think religion should have anything to do with government or laws or the way the country is run.

Good Grief ...... Don't vote for Obama then , he believes in GOD, too .

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 12:12 PM
Republicans were completely in charge for 6 of the past 8 years. How can you call it anything BUT Republican policy?

Because if the Democrats were in control the past 6 of the 8 years, I don't know if things would have turned out all that different. They obviously didn't have a grasp on the housing situation that has developed.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:14 PM
Good Grief ...... Don't vote for Obama then , he believes in GOD, too .

It's not believing in god that bothers me....it's basing views off of that. The Republican party panders to the evangelical hardcore religious, that's why they play that abortion card.

I think religion should have 0 to do with laws and policy.

Everyone is entitled to have their own personal views on religion and all that I want people that separate them, that's why Palin really gets on my nerves, she doesn't separate them at all.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 12:14 PM
Did we actually just find common ground?


Me or Roy? I can find common ground to benefit the greater good, sadly 90% of those on these boards or the politicians that work for the people can not.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:15 PM
Me or Roy? I can find common ground to benefit the greater good, sadly 90% of those on these boards or the politicians that work for the people can not.

LOL I was talking to you, Roy and I can't find common ground because he completely misses my points, notice that post above where he tells me Obama believes in god like that was my issue.

patteeu
10-16-2008, 12:15 PM
Republicans were completely in charge for 6 of the past 8 years. How can you call it anything BUT Republican policy?

When you first started posting in DC, I remember you telling me that you didn't know much about politics. I see that you've still got work to do to get up to speed. The Republicans never had complete control during the Bush years. As long as the majority party has fewer than 60 votes in the Senate, they can't force anything on the minority.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 12:22 PM
LOL I was talking to you, Roy and I can't find common ground because he completely misses my points, notice that post above where he tells me Obama believes in god like that was my issue.

I didn't think so :)

Yeah, it's a very nasty poltical culture in this country and sometimes very frustrating to see "It's all the Republicans or Democrats Fault", "Bush is the devil", "Obama is the Anti-Christ". I feel this culture of hatred is our down fall and why we won't be able to recover as a nation, but I hope I'm wrong.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 12:24 PM
Republicans were completely in charge for 6 of the past 8 years. How can you call it anything BUT Republican policy?


So all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years ?


OK, that's Grade A Donkey Skit . It all started years ago in the 70's, 80's and the 90's. We didn't prepare ourselves for this. Republicans and Democrats alike did this. Energy, Housing, banking, stock markets, deregulation, partisan voting, etc.

It was a domino effect that was lined up perfect for Osama to tip over. The economy, housing, banking, fuel dependency all started falling since 911.

Every republican and democrat in the house and senate had the option to see to see this and comment on it. We waited too long to address the issues at hand. Donald Trump even said so, he doesn't lie Bush, but said it wasn't his fault. He wants Bush impeached for the war in Iraq but gives Bush an A for trying to help the crisis now.

Put the blame where it belongs ....... On ALL OF THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WH FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.

It is that simple and the truth.

Taco John
10-16-2008, 12:25 PM
When you first started posting in DC, I remember you telling me that you didn't know much about politics. I see that you've still got work to do to get up to speed. The Republicans never had complete control during the Bush years. As long as the majority party has fewer than 60 votes in the Senate, they can't force anything on the minority.


Poor poor powerless Republicans. At the very least they could have done A LOT to control the spending in congress. Bush has the veto pen still, right?

The Republicans had enough control in congress to get a lot accomplished for their constituents, and instead got a lot accomplished for the Washington power-structure - and especially for the Democrats.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:26 PM
I didn't think so :)

Yeah, it's a very nasty poltical culture in this country and sometimes very frustrating to see "It's all the Republicans or Democrats Fault", "Bush is the devil", "Obama is the Anti-Christ". I feel this culture of hatred is our down fall and why we won't be able to recover as a nation, but I hope I'm wrong.

There's really no reason for this hate shit, we all have common ground, Obama isn't gonna burn the damn country down. I think some people get way to caught up in it like it's sports and they have to win and if they don't then the other guy sucks and needs to be ripped on. There's way to much of the end justifies the means kind of rhetoric.

You know what blows my mind? When I see people who are anti sex education. How's that make sense shouldn't you teach people how to not get pregnant so there are less abortions? I mean that makes good sense in my world.

Taco John
10-16-2008, 12:27 PM
We didn't prepare ourselves for this. Republicans and Democrats alike did this. Energy, Housing, banking, stock markets, deregulation, partisan voting, etc.


"Speak for yourselves..."

http://www.fight4truth.com/RonPaulNoPuppet.jpg

Bowser
10-16-2008, 12:28 PM
My favorite part is when the hard right blames everything on Clinton.

J Diddy
10-16-2008, 12:28 PM
So all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years ?


OK, that's Grade A Donkey Skit . It all started years ago in the 70's, 80's and the 90's. We didn't prepare ourselves for this. Republicans and Democrats alike did this. Energy, Housing, banking, stock markets, deregulation, partisan voting, etc.

It was a domino effect that was lined up perfect for Osama to tip over. The economy, housing, banking, fuel dependency all started falling since 911.

Every republican and democrat in the house and senate had the option to see to see this and comment on it. We waited too long to address the issues at hand. Donald Trump even said so, he doesn't lie Bush, but said it wasn't his fault. He wants Bush impeached for the war in Iraq but gives Bush an A for trying to help the crisis now.

Put the blame where it belongs ....... On ALL OF THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WH FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.

It is that simple and the truth.



according to your post these events started occurring once 9-11 started. Creating a domino effect.

Do tell me who was in the senate for the past 26 years? Who was elected to the senate after the dominos started toppling?

Why would you want to vote someone in who you think is to blame for this?

|Zach|
10-16-2008, 12:29 PM
So all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years ?




No. He didn't say that...

Nobody said that.

Try again without the strawman please?

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 12:31 PM
No. He didn't say that...

Nobody said that.

Try again without the strawman please?

True, he said it was the fault of Republcian Policy.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 12:35 PM
according to your post these events started occurring once 9-11 started. Creating a domino effect.

Do tell me who was in the senate for the past 26 years? Who was elected to the senate after the dominos started toppling?

Why would you want to vote someone in who you think is to blame for this?

I never once said McCain was excused from this, he is a republican he is to blame as any other senator, house member, president , past or present.

MOhillbilly
10-16-2008, 12:40 PM
what would it take for real change? not this pandering, where elected office holders say anything to get elected ride the hype to power and then do whatever whenever without regard to the voters.

one man one vote.

Nightfyre
10-16-2008, 12:40 PM
So all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years ?


OK, that's Grade A Donkey Skit . It all started years ago in the 70's, 80's and the 90's. We didn't prepare ourselves for this. Republicans and Democrats alike did this. Energy, Housing, banking, stock markets, deregulation, partisan voting, etc.

It was a domino effect that was lined up perfect for Osama to tip over. The economy, housing, banking, fuel dependency all started falling since 911.

Every republican and democrat in the house and senate had the option to see to see this and comment on it. We waited too long to address the issues at hand. Donald Trump even said so, he doesn't lie Bush, but said it wasn't his fault. He wants Bush impeached for the war in Iraq but gives Bush an A for trying to help the crisis now.

Put the blame where it belongs ....... On ALL OF THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WH FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.

It is that simple and the truth.

ROFL Roy knows less about economics than McCain and that's saying something. They need a test of some sort to screen people before voting. :shake:

Blaming 9/11 for the present economic crisis? Further, You assign blame to ALL of the congresspeople, but what about the ones who stood up to the stupidity? And this crisis has NOTHING to do with the 70s and the 80s. Pull your head out of your ass.

ROYC75
10-16-2008, 12:46 PM
ROFL Roy knows less about economics than McCain and that's saying something. They need a test of some sort to screen people before voting. :shake:

Blaming 9/11 for the present economic crisis? Further, You assign blame to ALL of the congresspeople, but what about the ones who stood up to the stupidity? And this crisis has NOTHING to do with the 70s and the 80s. Pull your head out of your ass.

You have no clue as to what you are talking about . No clue ....

HolmeZz
10-16-2008, 12:46 PM
Uh oh, the natives are getting restless.

Nightfyre
10-16-2008, 12:48 PM
You have no clue as to what you are talking about . No clue ....

Oh, don't I? :rolleyes: You are about as clueless as they come AFAICS.

|Zach|
10-16-2008, 12:48 PM
True, he said it was the fault of Republcian Policy.

Which is a really far cry from "all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years"

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 01:11 PM
Which is a really far cry from "all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years"

I don't think it's a "far cry", but I get the feeling Sully wouldnt' disagree with what Roy implied that he said. I could be wrong though. Sully would need to clarify.

Sully
10-16-2008, 01:20 PM
When you first started posting in DC, I remember you telling me that you didn't know much about politics. I see that you've still got work to do to get up to speed. The Republicans never had complete control during the Bush years. As long as the majority party has fewer than 60 votes in the Senate, they can't force anything on the minority.

So how many Republican "policies" did that evil Dem minority block?

Or did the Reps just not try?

Either way, it's been their boat to steer. If they couldn't get anything done, regardless of falling short of the filibuster-proof majority, it's been their policy running things. it sure hasn't been the libs.
It's pretty clear what America thinks of a Rep majority, though.

tiptap
10-16-2008, 01:20 PM
When you first started posting in DC, I remember you telling me that you didn't know much about politics. I see that you've still got work to do to get up to speed. The Republicans never had complete control during the Bush years. As long as the majority party has fewer than 60 votes in the Senate, they can't force anything on the minority.

The use of the filibuster can be defeated if you leave the bill on the agenda. Nothing else gets done and it forces a vote. That is under control of the majority party. Soooo I don't know, if you were serious you could control the process and tire out the opposing side. Want to bet the Democrats will bring things to a vote despite a potential filibuster on Health Insurance and Energy Policy? Realistically they will just look for compromise first . . . but if it isn't there they will push it through.

Sully
10-16-2008, 01:22 PM
So all of the troubles in America today is from the Bush's first 6 years ?


OK, that's Grade A Donkey Skit . It all started years ago in the 70's, 80's and the 90's. We didn't prepare ourselves for this. Republicans and Democrats alike did this. Energy, Housing, banking, stock markets, deregulation, partisan voting, etc.

It was a domino effect that was lined up perfect for Osama to tip over. The economy, housing, banking, fuel dependency all started falling since 911.

Every republican and democrat in the house and senate had the option to see to see this and comment on it. We waited too long to address the issues at hand. Donald Trump even said so, he doesn't lie Bush, but said it wasn't his fault. He wants Bush impeached for the war in Iraq but gives Bush an A for trying to help the crisis now.

Put the blame where it belongs ....... On ALL OF THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WH FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.

It is that simple and the truth.

You need to go back and try to follow along.
The poster I was replying to posited that in 4 years, the public will be fully against failed liberal policies...I responded that, if he believed that, then he must also believe the public is fully against Republican policies, right now...as they have been in control for 6 of the past 8 years.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 01:29 PM
You need to go back and try to follow along.
The poster I was replying to posited that in 4 years, the public will be fully against failed liberal policies...I responded that, if he believed that, then he must also believe the public is fully against Republican policies, right now...as they have been in control for 6 of the past 8 years.

That's not at all what I said for the record. Here is what I posted:

"I guess in 4 years we will have the verdict of the liberal and socialistic policies that Obama wants to implement."

Sully
10-16-2008, 01:33 PM
That's not at all what I said for the record. Here is what I posted:

"I guess in 4 years we will have the verdict of the liberal and socialistic policies that Obama wants to implement."

You know what? You are right. I read it and interpreted it as that, but I see that maybe you meant it differently. I'm sorry I misunderstood and misrepresented your case.

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 01:36 PM
You know what? You are right. I read it and interpreted it as that, but I see that maybe you meant it differently. I'm sorry I misunderstood and misrepresented your case.

No problem. It's Obama and the Dems turn at it, we can hold off judgement for four years.

patteeu
10-16-2008, 02:09 PM
So how many Republican "policies" did that evil Dem minority block?

Or did the Reps just not try?

Either way, it's been their boat to steer. If they couldn't get anything done, regardless of falling short of the filibuster-proof majority, it's been their policy running things. it sure hasn't been the libs.
It's pretty clear what America thinks of a Rep majority, though.

I'm sure we're going to like unbridled democrat power much better.