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jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:28 AM
Typical. Attack the opponent, and not the issue. Please, try to answer the question if you can: what are Senator Obama's pro-American credentials?

My question to John is, what constitutes "pro-American credentials"?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-16-2008, 09:31 AM
Jingoism and a Dark Ages approach to religion.

RJ
10-16-2008, 09:36 AM
Listening to country music.

Owning a ranch.

Wearing a flag pin.

There are so many things, it would be hard to list them all.

BigChiefFan
10-16-2008, 09:36 AM
Didn't you get the memo??? If you don't take a stand against abortion, you are anti-American, even though the Republicans get a free pass on the issue.

In other words, blind hatred for all things Democratic.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:49 AM
Doesn't look like John's going to assist with this thread. Bummer.

whatsmynameagain
10-16-2008, 10:04 AM
the fact he wants everyone to have health care and have a healthy america definitely isn't one.

the fact that he wants a better education system and more kids to go to colleg and participate in their community isn't one either.

the fact he wants to go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and kill obl isn't one either.

on the other hand mccain KNOWS how to fix the economy, win wars, capture obl, and create jobs. this, MY FRIENDS, shows you one thing, mccain is very secretive and wants nobody to know how he intends on doing it.

rofl waffle!!!

triple
10-16-2008, 10:04 AM
I would say being pro-American would be putting our interests first. One contrary example would be groveling before a crowd in Berlin saying that America sucks and promising that we'll work much harder to gain their approval in the future.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:05 AM
the fact he wants everyone to have health care and have a healthy america definitely isn't one.

the fact that he wants a better education system and more kids to go to colleg and participate in their community isn't one either.

the fact he wants to go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and kill obl isn't one either.

on the other hand mccain KNOWS how to fix the economy, win wars, capture obl, and create jobs. this, MY FRIENDS, shows you one thing, mccain is very secretive and wants nobody to know how he intends on doing it.

rofl waffle!!!

How dare we wanna help people man! I got money fuck those people who don't, tell em to get some bootstraps.

triple
10-16-2008, 10:13 AM
How dare we wanna help people man! I got money **** those people who don't, tell em to get some bootstraps.

Come on. Even you know better than the "they want to take old people's medicine away" stuff that is the gutter sludge of politics.

The primary disagreement is that treating the symptom and not the illness is the best way to help them.

The problem isn't that big government hasn't taken over health care to give it to everyone for free, the problem is that it is too expensive for some people, I think about ten percent, to obtain it on their own. the problem is that it's too expensive for some people, so make it less expensive, don't have everyone start sending you the bill.

Treating the problem and not the symptom would be through administrative means, working to reduce the cost long-term, while providing tax breaks and such in the meantime to make it more affordable. Spending trillions on permanent government programs is the wrong answer and why the federal budget is the size of the entire universe to begin with.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:17 AM
I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.

triple
10-16-2008, 10:23 AM
I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.

Well in the UK they typically pay 50 to 60 cents on the dollar in federal taxes, how does that strike you?

Donger
10-16-2008, 10:24 AM
I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.

There's a reason that gasoline is $8.00/gallon in the UK.

Know what it is?

whatsmynameagain
10-16-2008, 10:24 AM
I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.

how dare you be factual, NAZI, COMMIE, QUEER, BABY MRDERING, TERRORIST, OH AND ARAB!!!!

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:25 AM
I would say being pro-American would be putting our interests first. One contrary example would be groveling before a crowd in Berlin saying that America sucks and promising that we'll work much harder to gain their approval in the future.

Would that mean paying taxes that are used to staff a military to defend this country?

triple
10-16-2008, 10:27 AM
Would that mean paying taxes that are used to staff a military to defend this country?

Sure, paying taxes for the rightly intended purpose of government is fine. I'd even go so far as to call paying those taxes 'patriotic'.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:31 AM
Sure, paying taxes for the rightly intended purpose of government is fine. I'd even go so far as to call paying those taxes 'patriotic'.
Is participation in our democracy as a voter "patriotic"?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:34 AM
There's a reason that gasoline is $8.00/gallon in the UK.

Know what it is?

That probably has something to do with alot of people in Europe don't own cars and can exist without them...

triple
10-16-2008, 10:37 AM
That probably has something to do with alot of people in Europe don't own cars and can exist without them...

Shouldn't lower demand equal lower prices, Mr. Friedman?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:38 AM
Ah damn I was hoping for a "Europe sucks and is socialist" response in here...

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:39 AM
Shouldn't lower demand equal lower prices, Mr. Friedman?

Is participation in our democracy as a voter "patriotic"?

triple
10-16-2008, 10:40 AM
Ah damn I was hoping for a "Europe sucks and is socialist" response in here...

Stumped, huh?

I am guessing you weren't much of a student.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:41 AM
Stumped, huh?

I am guessing you weren't much of a student.

Is participation in our democracy as a voter "patriotic"?

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:42 AM
Stumped, huh?

I am guessing you weren't much of a student.

What exactly is that suppose to mean....

Yes Europe has higher taxes but I don't have a problem with that because they spend the money on important things like you know giving everyone healthcare.

Of course here that doesn't go over cause people flip out "fuck poor people I got mines"

triple
10-16-2008, 10:42 AM
Is participation in our democracy as a voter "patriotic"?

Although I am bored in advance of whatever shabby ruse you are planning, I will indulge you out of charity and say that it is.

triple
10-16-2008, 10:48 AM
What exactly is that suppose to mean....

Yes Europe has higher taxes but I don't have a problem with that because they spend the money on important things like you know giving everyone healthcare.

Of course here that doesn't go over cause people flip out "**** poor people I got mines"

Well then, we've covered that their tax burden is near or exceeding 50%, before accounting for other exorbitant taxes like the fuel taxes. I think the average American taxpayer is probably paying about 25-30%. Are you going to stand in line to sign up for that? After all, 15% of people don't have coverage, (some of them purposefully).

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:53 AM
Maybe I'll move to Europe one day.

Donger
10-16-2008, 10:57 AM
What exactly is that suppose to mean....

Yes Europe has higher taxes but I don't have a problem with that because they spend the money on important things like you know giving everyone healthcare.

Of course here that doesn't go over cause people flip out "**** poor people I got mines"

Do you pay taxes now?

triple
10-16-2008, 10:58 AM
Maybe I'll move to Europe one day.

Sounds like you'd love the shearing, but good luck getting permits to work.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 11:16 AM
Although I am bored in advance of whatever shabby ruse you are planning, I will indulge you out of charity and say that it is.
Well, not only is paying taxes to fund a military patriotic, but so is "paying taxes for the rightly intended purpose of government". And our elected representatives are the determinants of that qualifier. We don't like what they determine, we vote them out. The whole system seems pretty patriotic to me.

triple
10-16-2008, 12:44 PM
Well, not only is paying taxes to fund a military patriotic, but so is "paying taxes for the rightly intended purpose of government". And our elected representatives are the determinants of that qualifier.

Really, the purpose of government is what our elected representatives say it is. I thought there was some old document that laid out the rules for that?

jAZ
10-16-2008, 01:12 PM
Really, the purpose of government is what our elected representatives say it is. I thought there was some old document that laid out the rules for that?

I didn't say that, did I? I said they are the determinants. That's what happens in a representative democracy.

We allow the representatives to make the rules and act within them.

We allow them to nominate and approve judges to interpret the rules.

We allow them to actually change that "old document" however they collectively see fit.

That's the system we pledge allegiance to as we are acting patriotically.

HolmeZz
10-16-2008, 01:40 PM
Obama hates this country so much he's spent the last two years running for it's highest office, very much opening up the possibility for assassination attempts. But other than believing the Presidency is something worth risking his own life for, what else has he done?!?

luv
10-16-2008, 01:42 PM
Paying higher taxes, including paying taxes on health insurance.