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Mecca
10-16-2008, 08:32 AM
It brought to mind the whole "Republicans think people want to get abortions" issue. How would "health of the mother" be stretched so women can decide to get straight-up elective late term abortions? McCain was ranting was ranting about the pro-abortion community. THERE IS NO pro-abortion community.

I particularly liked McCain mocking women with his "health can be stretched to mean anything" line. Yeah, ladies, you might have a stroke or become infertile, but you've brought a precious little baby into the world that's got a few of its organs on the outside of its body and might possibly live outside the womb for 10 or 15 agonizing minutes and isn't that what really counts?

penchief
10-16-2008, 08:45 AM
It brought to mind the whole "Republicans think people want to get abortions" issue. How would "health of the mother" be stretched so women can decide to get straight-up elective late term abortions? McCain was ranting was ranting about the pro-abortion community. THERE IS NO pro-abortion community.

I particularly liked McCain mocking women with his "health can be stretched to mean anything" line. Yeah, ladies, you might have a stroke or become infertile, but you've brought a precious little baby into the world that's got a few of its organs on the outside of its body and might possibly live outside the womb for 10 or 15 agonizing minutes and isn't that what really counts?

Because "pro-life vs. pro-abortion" is just another way of ideologically framing the debate. I've said a million times that nobody is pro-abortion. The honest way to describe both positions would be, "pro-choice" and "anti-abortion." But the media has advanced the "pro-life" label and I wouldn't be surprised if they started to echo the "pro-abortion" label, as well.

The anti-abortion crowd wouldn't like it much if we called them anti-choice. Nor would those who support the death penalty or unjustified invasions and occupations like it if we called them pro-war, pro-death and destruction, anti-peace, pro-hate, or anti-love.

SLAG
10-16-2008, 09:27 AM
If you think there is no such think as "Pro-Abortion" people, you are mistaken, there are people out there that think abortion is the murdering of a childs life and want to do it anyway.
Listen to the Lesbian
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btw..
Abortion is never needed to save the life of a mother-
The Physicians’ Ad Hoc Coalition for Truth (PHACT) -- a group of over 600 physician-specialists (mostly in obstetrics, perinatology, and related disciplines) -- has spoken out to dispute claims that some women need partial-birth abortions to avoid serious physical injury. PHACT said: “We, and many other doctors across the United States, regularly treat women whose unborn children suffer these and other serious conditions. Never is the partial-birth procedure medically indicated. Rather, such infants are regularly and safely delivered live, vaginally, with no threat to the mother's health or fertility.” In September, 1996, former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop and other PHACT members said that “partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother's health or her future fertility. On the contrary, this procedure can pose a significant threat to both.”

penchief
10-16-2008, 10:04 AM
If you think there is no such think as "Pro-Abortion" people, you are mistaken, there are people out there that think abortion is the murdering of a childs life and want to do it anyway.
btw..
Abortion is never needed to save the life of a mother-

There are people out there who get pregnant on purpose just so they can experience the thrill of killing a fetus in the womb? Do they have meetings and hold parties like tupperware parties where they sign up and shit like that?

I never knew.

SLAG
10-16-2008, 10:13 AM
There are people out there who get pregnant on purpose just so they can experience the thrill of killing a fetus in the womb? Do they have meetings and hold parties like tupperware parties where they sign up and shit like that?

I never knew.

while it may not be all or most of the Pro-Baby Murdering group

At least this Lezbo speaks it like it is:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index3.html

luv
10-16-2008, 10:17 AM
I, myself, would like to believe I'm pro-life. However, I believe that is my right to decide.

You know....

We've had democratic presidents, and people still have guns.
We've had republican presidents, and people still have abortions.

I think this is a non-issue.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2008, 10:19 AM
Because they aren't pro-choice; I'm pro-choice.

I hate abortion but since I don't think government should be involved I support the woman's right to choose and tolerate it if their choice happens to be abortion. I am pro-choice. NARAL and NOW are pro-abortion. The more coat hangers that get stuck in twats, the more babies that get gaffed, and the more buckets filled with quivering fetuses the better because in their minds that makes every one of those women a card carrying member of their little club. They are ideaological fascists and I am calling them out as we speak.

BAM, RaiderH8r wins again.

Saulbadguy
10-16-2008, 10:19 AM
I'm a member of the pro-abortion community when it comes to Michael Voris.

Saulbadguy
10-16-2008, 10:20 AM
I, myself, would like to believe I'm pro-life. However, I believe that is my right to decide.

You know....

We've had democratic presidents, and people still have guns.
We've had republican presidents, and people still have abortions.

I think this is a non-issue.
That's what most well grounded people have been saying, it IS a non-issue.

Mr. Kotter
10-16-2008, 10:26 AM
For the same reason leftist call conservatives things like "war monger" or "pro-war?"

It's a rhetorical device that serves ideologues on both sides well, in "shoring-up" their base....even if in both instances it's ridiculously inaccurate.

Bowser
10-16-2008, 10:26 AM
Because they aren't pro-choice; I'm pro-choice.

I hate abortion but since I don't think government should be involved I support the woman's right to choose and tolerate it if their choice happens to be abortion. I am pro-choice. NARAL and NOW are pro-abortion. The more coat hangers that get stuck in twats, the more babies that get gaffed, and the more buckets filled with quivering fetuses the better because in their minds that makes every one of those women a card carrying member of their little club. They are ideaological fascists and I am calling them out as we speak.

BAM, RaiderH8r wins again.

This.

StcChief
10-16-2008, 10:27 AM
too bad Bark "Barry" O's mom didnt have one.

Bowser
10-16-2008, 10:28 AM
too bad Bark "Barry" O's mom didnt have one.

How very Programmer of you.

Pablo
10-16-2008, 10:28 AM
too bad Bark "Barry" O's mom didnt have one.Or your mother for that matter.

Saulbadguy
10-16-2008, 10:34 AM
too bad Bark "Barry" O's mom didnt have one.

Probably couldn't afford one since our health care system has sucked for so long.

SLAG
10-16-2008, 10:35 AM
Probably couldn't afford one since our health care system has sucked for so long.

Planned BarronHood loves killing the black babies.. all she had to do was ask:

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oldandslow
10-16-2008, 10:44 AM
I think this ad says it all...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IS0PJdE0Cs

SBK
10-16-2008, 11:51 AM
In truth there is a very pro-abortion movement. Most people that have abortions are not part of it though.

StcChief
10-16-2008, 12:01 PM
Or your mother for that matter.

Just trying to do my part to put Abortion where it belongs.....and call it what it is. MURDER.

whoman69
10-16-2008, 12:20 PM
I am pro-choice. Frankly I do see those on the other side of the aisle as anti-choice. The reason being they do not even support birth control. Abstinance is not the only choice. They want to uphold everyone to be saints when they themselves certainly do not lead saintly lives. Both sides have drawn up the rhetoric pretty high. I would bet that were it not such a political hot potato that both sides could come to an agreement to increase education on birth control, to limit when an abortion should be available and that it always should be available in cases of rape/incest/danger to the mother.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:21 PM
I honestly don't understand how anti abortion people are also anti sex ed all they want taught is abstinence how's that make any sense it's extremely stupid.

luv
10-16-2008, 12:27 PM
I am pro-choice. Frankly I do see those on the other side of the aisle as anti-choice. The reason being they do not even support birth control. Abstinance is not the only choice. They want to uphold everyone to be saints when they themselves certainly do not lead saintly lives. Both sides have drawn up the rhetoric pretty high. I would bet that were it not such a political hot potato that both sides could come to an agreement to increase education on birth control, to limit when an abortion should be available and that it always should be available in cases of rape/incest/danger to the mother.

I agree completely.

It's not that I'm pro-abortion. I believe there should be regulations like parental consent for those under 18, etc. I don't believe a person should be able to have an abortion as a form of birth control, either. Ultimately, though, it is between the woman and the father of the child. Yes, I believe the father should have rights. If she doesn't want it, but he does, she should have to have the baby and then give up parental rights.

triple
10-16-2008, 12:42 PM
i would be saying 'abortion industry' myself