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jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:37 AM
ROFL


http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.

Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:44 AM
Joe Wurzelbacher isn't registered, and is using an assumed name to vote under!

He's probably faked his pro-American credentials too, BTW. He can't be trusted.

jiveturkey
10-16-2008, 09:52 AM
ACORN!

Donger
10-16-2008, 09:54 AM
I'm sorry, but what fraud?

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:56 AM
I'm sorry, but what fraud?

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher is not a registered voter yet has voted repeatedly it would seem since 1992 using the assumed identity of Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

Voter Fraud!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!111!1

triple
10-16-2008, 10:02 AM
doesn't it say that he voted in his first primary this year?

i'm amused by your pooh-poohing of voter fraud though after I can only presume you were out of your head about it in 2000 and 2004

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:05 AM
doesn't it say that he voted in his first primary this year?

i'm amused by your pooh-poohing of voter fraud though after I can only presume you were out of your head about it in 2000 and 2004

I'm pooh-poohing false claims about systemic fraud used to justify efforts to keep low income voters from being registered to vote and then voting.

That's what I'm pooh-poohing.

triple
10-16-2008, 10:08 AM
I'm pooh-poohing false claims about systemic fraud used to justify efforts to keep low income voters from being registered to vote and then voting.

That's what I'm pooh-poohing.

Right - there's no organized registration fraud going on by the likes of Acorn. And Terrell Owens just moved into my neighborhood.

Mecca
10-16-2008, 10:10 AM
I'm really fuckin tired of this guy.....someone should shove his plumbing wrench up his ass.

Donger
10-16-2008, 10:10 AM
Right - there's no organized registration fraud going on by the likes of Acorn. And Terrell Owens just moved into my neighborhood.

You're new, so I'll fill you in: jAZ is fine with fraud if it helps Democrats.

He's funny that way.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:17 AM
Right - there's no organized registration fraud going on by the likes of Acorn. And Terrell Owens just moved into my neighborhood.
Depends on what "organized registration fraud" means.

If you are asking if ACORN is deliberately paying people to go sign up endless "Terrell Owens"es in your neighborhood because in doing so, by some magic formula of voter fraud, Obama will get more votes... then there is no "organized registration fraud".

If however, you are trying to play parse the word games so that you can use the phrase "organized registration fraud" and try to later justify it by saying "well ACORN is an organization" and "they hired a guy" and "that guy tried to get over by meeting his registration quota for the day by submitting 7 registration cards with Dallas Cowboy's names on them" and "then ACORN was required by law to submit those bogus registrations" and "they do so with a note attached saying that they suspect these to be fake"... then if that's what you mean by "organized registration fraud"... then yes.

penchief
10-16-2008, 11:09 AM
doesn't it say that he voted in his first primary this year?

i'm amused by your pooh-poohing of voter fraud though after I can only presume you were out of your head about it in 2000 and 2004

Voter suppression and disenfranchisment has been a more serious problem in the past two elections. Even after Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales dictated to the Justice Department to emphasize voter fraud, how many cases were actually tried? That should tell you something.

Republicans are just trying to throw a monkey wrench into an election that they know could end up disasterous for them. Voter suppression has been the name of republican game ever since 2000.

jettio
10-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Somebody ought to let Joe the Plumber know that business expenses are subtracted from gross revenues prior to determining net profit and loss from a business.

He can go ahead and hire anyone worth hiring for his business and the cost of that employee will not be taxable since it will be a business expense that would reduce net profit.

If Joe the Plumber does not hire someone because he might pay a higher marginal tax rate on income over a quarter of a million then Joe the Plumber ought to hire Gina the Accountant, the one with the huge tits, to explain how taxable income is calculated so that Joe's dumbazz could figure out that that whole GOP argument about not being able to hire necessary employees for a small business is pure horsesh*t.

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 12:48 PM
:shake:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/16/enraged-leftwing-blogosphere-hurls-attacks-against-joe-plumber

Enraged Leftwing Blogosphere Hurls Attacks Against Joe the Plumber
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
October 16, 2008 - 13:17 ET

Joe the Plumber (Joe Wurzelbacher) seems to have committed a Thought Crime in the eyes of the leftwing Blogosphere by daring to question the Lightworker. As a result, and because his name was brought up several times by John McCain at the debate last night, Joe the Plumber has been the subject of a lot of rage at both the Democratic Underground and the Daily Kos. The title of the DU thread alone tells you just how angry the left is: "Hey, Joe 'The Dumbass' Plumber. Listen up!" And the Daily Kos thread is flat out incorrect: "'Joe the Plumber'" Not a Registered Voter." Sorry, Kossacks, but Joe the Plumber is registered to vote. He just prefers to use his middle name but you were too eager to smear him to consider that fact when poring through the Ohio voting records. Here is a sampling of leftwing anger directed at Joe the Plumber starting with the Democratic Underground:

So, Joe the Plumber. If you are too damned stupid to understand how Obama benefits you much more than McCain, then throw the American dream away and vote for McCain.

Sorry, I know this is stereotyping but he looks jackbootish to me...

Have we found out yet that McCain paid this goof to ask Obama about his taxes? If so, I missed it so far. If not, I would not be surprised if we hear about that shortly.

Joe the Plumber was a republican plant. OBVIOUS. Cameras ready. Gotcha moment. Then use in debate. Toss "joe" (wow, another Joe, how curious) on the day after morning shows. Nearly perfect ....... but too obvious. Joe listens to way too much talk radio. Too many rw talking points.


Not to be outdone by the Democratic Underground in the Insane Rage department, the Daily Kos hurls accusations against Joe, including the incorrect charge that he's not registered to vote:

"Joe the Plumber" Not a Registered Voter


Now, I realize that this has not been varified, but if this is true, and the MSM picks up on it, I honestly think that this may have damaging affects. McCain kept bringing him up, adding a new rule to drinking games. He is a household name now and then we find out he can't even vote.

If this is he, he is a registered voter...found a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Holland, Ohio (near Toledo) on Lexis. He registered in 2002 as party affiliation "none declared."


Oops! Well, so much for that charge but that doesn't stop the Kossacks from hurling yet more invective Joe's way:

The IRS, the FBI, and the FTC should be checking into this guy.

This guy Joe may regret his 15 minutes of fame. Most of us have skeletons in the closet. Does he really want his revealed?


You can read even more leftwing rage over Joe the Plumber for challenging the liberal assumptions of Barack Obama at the DUmmie FUnnies.

Otter
10-16-2008, 12:49 PM
I can't wait to see what SNL does with this guy.

Calcountry
10-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher is not a registered voter yet has voted repeatedly it would seem since 1992 using the assumed identity of Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

Voter Fraud!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!111!1You don't like the message, silence the messenger. The ends justify the means.

Rules for Radicals.

Calcountry
10-16-2008, 12:51 PM
I'm really ****in tired of this guy.....someone should shove his plumbing wrench up his ass.Why don't you just kill him?

That would shut him up?

triple
10-16-2008, 12:51 PM
Voter suppression and disenfranchisment has been a more serious problem in the past two elections. Even after Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales dictated to the Justice Department to emphasize voter fraud, how many cases were actually tried? That should tell you something.

Republicans are just trying to throw a monkey wrench into an election that they know could end up disasterous for them. Voter suppression has been the name of republican game ever since 2000.

:D they should play a slide whistle after your posts

Mecca
10-16-2008, 12:52 PM
Why don't you just kill him?

That would shut him up?

That would be ok if he was an abortion doctor I'm sure.

Calcountry
10-16-2008, 12:52 PM
Somebody ought to let Joe the Plumber know that business expenses are subtracted from gross revenues prior to determining net profit and loss from a business.

He can go ahead and hire anyone worth hiring for his business and the cost of that employee will not be taxable since it will be a business expense that would reduce net profit.

If Joe the Plumber does not hire someone because he might pay a higher marginal tax rate on income over a quarter of a million then Joe the Plumber ought to hire Gina the Accountant, the one with the huge tits, to explain how taxable income is calculated so that Joe's dumbazz could figure out that that whole GOP argument about not being able to hire necessary employees for a small business is pure horsesh*t.ROFL

We don't live in a vacuum. If a street has too many stop signs on it, we will look for another street to drive on.

jiveturkey
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Somebody ought to let Joe the Plumber know that business expenses are subtracted from gross revenues prior to determining net profit and loss from a business.

He can go ahead and hire anyone worth hiring for his business and the cost of that employee will not be taxable since it will be a business expense that would reduce net profit.

If Joe the Plumber does not hire someone because he might pay a higher marginal tax rate on income over a quarter of a million then Joe the Plumber ought to hire Gina the Accountant, the one with the huge tits, to explain how taxable income is calculated so that Joe's dumbazz could figure out that that whole GOP argument about not being able to hire necessary employees for a small business is pure horsesh*t.It's amazing how complicated this has become and I agree with everything that you wrote.

If Joe's taxable income is more than $250k then he's probably in a great position to start hiring. It will increase the worth of this company, increase his revenue stream and increase his market share. It will of course decrease his taxable income and if the growth continues and he finds himself back over $250k in taxable income he should continue adding employees.

Or he can continue making a ton of money on his own and pay the taxes. If you're teetering over the $250k line at the end of the year you should throw some money at advertising or something else to get you back under the magic number. It would probably save him a lot come tax time.

bkkcoh
10-16-2008, 01:39 PM
It's amazing how complicated this has become and I agree with everything that you wrote.

If Joe's taxable income is more than $250k then he's probably in a great position to start hiring. It will increase the worth of this company, increase his revenue stream and increase his market share. It will of course decrease his taxable income and if the growth continues and he finds himself back over $250k in taxable income he should continue adding employees.

Or he can continue making a ton of money on his own and pay the taxes. If you're teetering over the $250k line at the end of the year you should throw some money at advertising or something else to get you back under the magic number. It would probably save him a lot come tax time.


But if Joe the plumber does that, he will be able to expand his business and end up being rich and then the taxes will kill him.

tiptap
10-16-2008, 02:32 PM
Joe is now philosophically in line with a flat tax. He has in interviews said a successful person shouldn't be penalized. But it won't be for him because it is still just a dream for him to buy the company he is working for. So I say don't give him a tax cut after all. I think he will be ok with that

Guru
10-16-2008, 02:37 PM
Holy shit!!! stop the presses. People go by their middle name now? Whatever will we do. I used to be kcchiefsguru. Now I'm Guru. I'm commiting CP voter fraud. OH NOEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!!!!

BigCatDaddy
10-16-2008, 02:38 PM
Joe is now philosophically in line with a flat tax. He has in interviews said a successful person shouldn't be penalized. But it won't be for him because it is still just a dream for him to buy the company he is working for. So I say don't give him a tax cut after all. I think he will be ok with that

I say don't give Joe or anybody tax cuts. I'd be okay with that.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2008, 03:02 PM
Oh shit. Someone had the audacity to question Barry's plan and now come the personal insults of stupidity from the left. How very mundane and pedestrian of these folks.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 03:04 PM
Holy shit!!! stop the presses. People go by their middle name now? Whatever will we do. I used to be kcchiefsguru. Now I'm Guru. I'm commiting CP voter fraud. OH NOEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!!!!
Check that last name there Gu... he's an illegal voter!!!1!1!!!!!

Chief Henry
10-16-2008, 03:06 PM
I can tell several of the planet libs posting on this thread has NO F'N clue what its like to be a bsn. owner.

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 03:21 PM
I can tell several of the planet libs posting on this thread has NO F'N clue what its like to be a bsn. owner.

Exactly!

In "Joe the Plumber's" own words:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1465/pub_detail.asp

October 15, 2008

Exclusive: Obama – ‘Spread the Wealth Around’ Reveals Socialist Plan for AmericaInterview with Joe Wurzelbacher

The Editors


At a recent campaign appearance in Ohio, Sen. Obama was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, who has concerns about Obama’s proposed tax policies. FamilySecurityMatters.org’s Pam Meister had a candid conversation with him about his experience.

PAM MEISTER: You recently met Sen. Obama on the campaign trail in Ohio, and you asked him a question about his tax policies. What exactly was your question for him?

JOE WURZELBACHER: Initially, I started off asking him if he believed in the American Dream and he said yes, he does – and then I proceeded to ask him then why he’s penalizing me for trying to fulfill it. He asked, “what do you mean,” and I explained to him that I’m planning on purchasing this company – it’s not something I’m gonna purchase outright, it’s something I’m going to have to make payments on for years – but essentially I’m going to buy this company, and the profits generated by that could possibly put me in that tax bracket he’s talking about and that bothers me. It’s not like I would be rich; I would still just be a working plumber. I work hard for my money, and the fact that he thinks I make a little too much that he just wants to redistribute it to other people. Some of them might need it, but at the same time, it’s not their discretion to do it – it’s mine.

PM: You’re a plumber, and you’re looking to buy your own plumbing business?

JW: Correct.

PM: Would that plumbing business employ other people or would it just employ you?

JW: Eventually it would employ other people. Right now it’s a two man shop and it’s got a very good footprint and a very good reputation, so eventually I would want to put other people out there. I don’t want to get huge because if you get too big your quality goes, but I definitely wouldn’t mind having two good plumbers out there with me working.

PM: So a potential tax increase – how do you see that affecting your ability to hire more people to work with you at your company?

JW: Obviously these are hypothetical questions to a degree because I don’t know what the economy is going to do…

PM: Of course.

JW: Essentially what that would do is, I’d have to see how much money is available after everything else is paid, to see if I can one, afford a new vehicle, two, outfit it, and then three, pay a good salary. And if I’m being taxed too much, one of those three things is going to get shorted. One, I won’t be able to buy as good a good vehicle or I won’t stock it as well, or the guy I hire – if I’m able to hire somebody – is not going to make as much as he should.

PM: Obama gave you quite a long answer, I see, on Jake Tapper’s blog on ABC News. He did give you quite an extensive answer to your question talking about a 50% tax credit for healthcare costs, that sort of thing, and he talked about the reason he’s doing this – saying 95% of small businesses make less than $250,000 a year. He talked about your time as a plumber– you said you’ve been a plumber for 15 years?


JW: Yes.

PM: Okay, and then he talked about 10, 15 years ago maybe you weren’t making that sort of money, how would you feel – if you were just starting out, or maybe looking back – the kind of tax cut that he’s promising for other people, does that still make you think that that’s a great idea?

JW: No. See, I believe in working for what I get. I don’t want to say it’s a handout, but essentially that’s what it comes down to. You’re going to tax someone else more that’s been working hard to fulfill the American Dream and you’re gonna give it to other people who – I’m not saying they don’t work as hard, but I’m sure some of them don’t – and I don’t think it’s right just to give it to them or reduce taxes on their part and hike it up on my part like a teeter totter to bring it back even. So no, that wouldn’t – well, let me rephrase that. It would appeal to me because back then I was struggling. That kind of thing appeals to me – anybody wants to cut my taxes, I look at it very seriously, it’s like, it sounds great. But you gotta see what the other hand is doing too.

PM: Still, in that vein, Obama says he doesn’t want to “punish” you, but he wants to – let me see if I can see what his exact quote was…

JW: Redistribute the wealth.

PM: …taxing small businesses making $250,000 and above is going to help the people “behind you.” And yes, “spreading the wealth around.” How did you feel about that?

JW: As soon as he said it, he contradicted himself. He doesn’t want to “punish” me, but – when you use the word “but,” you pretty much negate everything you just said prior to that. So he does want to punish me, he does want to punish me for working harder to – you know, my big thing is the American Dream. I work hard. You know, I was poor; my mom raised me and my brother by herself for a very long time until my dad came along. So I know what it’s like to suffer. It’s not like I was born with a silver spoon. Usually it was a wooden spoon and it was on my butt. It was just a contradiction of terms, what he said: he doesn’t want to punish me but he wants to redistribute my wealth. And what I mean when I say my wealth, I mean the collective. Eventually – I mean, just to sound a little silly here, but you need rich people. I mean, who are you going to work for?

PM: Do you fear this is the possibility of America turning more down the socialist road if Obama does become elected and if he is able to implement these policies?

JW: Very much so. You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it – and that scares me. A lot of people expect it now. They get upset when their check’s late, they get upset when they don’t get as many benefits as they used to, or when different government agencies are cut or spending is cut here and there for whatever reason – people get upset at that. And that’s because they’re used to getting it and they want more. I mean, everyone’s always gonna want more. People work the system left and right to get more out of welfare, to get more out of state assistance, federal assistance. And if government’s there for them, they’re gonna keep on trying to manipulate it to get more out of it. You got people that come along and say, “Hey, I wanna help you people,” I mean, they’re all ears! They’re like, “Hey, you can help me more, I don’t have to work as hard, I don’t have to do as much, and you’re gonna give me this? Man, that’s great, you’re a good guy.”

So yeah, it goes down the socialist – His healthcare plan scares me. You know, I don’t like people going without healthcare, but it’s not my job to pay for everyone else’s healthcare. It’s hard enough paying for my own. I like the idea of deregulation as far as – nationally, you know, you only get insurance companies that can work in this state – if you deregulate that then you have more people competing and then the prices would go lower. It seems pretty simple to me. It probably isn’t that simple – but you flood the market with more products, usually they go down cheaper.

PM: In a recent survey of America’s chief executive officers, a full 69% of them said they were worried about an Obama presidency. Some even say he could plunge us into a depression or even bankruptcy in about three years. If you are to buy this business, you yourself would be a CEO, essentially, of a smaller business. Do you agree with those CEOs and if so, how might that change whether you take the risk of buying your business should Obama become elected?

JW: You know, I don’t know enough about that to give you a real intelligent answer. It does concern me. I’ve listened lately and I’ve heard he’s proposed more spending. You spend more, you gotta get it from somewhere. I don’t think he’s gonna cut any of the government down, in fact I think he wants to make it bigger. And eventually, you get it too big, it’s gonna topple. In essence, I suppose I do agree for a little bit, but I just don’t know enough as far as the grand scheme like that. In three years…I wouldn’t feel comfortable stating something like that.

PM: That’s fair enough. Could it be that people won’t be as productive? If you’re going to be paying more taxes, why should you be more productive when you could possibly take home the same amount without being as productive? Do you agree with that?

JW: That’s the catch right there. Some people will agree with that. Some people will say, “Well, I’m not gonna work for the stars or shoot for ‘em because if I do, I’m gonna be punished, or I’m gonna be subjugated to more taxes,” or for whatever they wanna do. So yeah, I would agree to that to a point. Some people will say, “Well you know, I still want this, I’m still gonna work hard and try to make that happen for myself” And then other people are gonna sit back – and then you look at mediocrity for the country, and I don’t like that idea.

PM: What do you think that Obama’s tax plan will do to entrepreneurship in general in this country?

JW: It’ll definitely make people think twice about it. It’s not something that they’re gonna just rush into. It’s a tax increase, but it’s not a 50% tax increase. It’s not gonna keep everybody from doing it – some people might decide not to, but I don’t think it would keep everybody from doing it.

PM: Now did Obama tell you that you would receive some sort of tax cut?

JW: He talked about suspending capital gains to a certain amount… To be honest with you, I don’t want to say I tuned him out – because as he started, he pretty much regurgitated what he said in his debate, first one, second one, and a lot of his rallies. What he said to me was pretty much word for word what he’s been saying for the last couple months. So when he started down that path, it’s like, ”Okay, I’ve already heard this, Obama, give me something different.”

PM: There was nothing new in his answer?

JW: No, there was nothing new. You know, I didn’t appreciate that, actually.

PM: There’s a clip of you that’s been shown on television, and it’s all over the Internet on YouTube as well. It’s a very short clip. Do you think it accurately portrays the exchange that you had with Sen. Obama? Obviously there was more to it.

JW: I haven’t seen too much of it to be honest with you – I’ve been working yesterday and today, and the evenings spent with my boy or with my family. So I haven’t spent too much time looking at it. I did notice – I wish the newspaper people, talk shows, I wish they would start off with the very beginning: “Do you believe the American dream?” That was essentially what it came down to for me – was do you believe in the American Dream, you’re not going to punish people for going for it?

PM: To you, what exactly is the American Dream? Can you explain that?

JW: Me personally?

PM: Yeah, you personally.

JW: Me personally, my American Dream was to have a house, a dog, a couple rifles, a bass boat. I believe in living life easy and simple. I don’t have grand designs. I don’t want much. I just wanna be able to take care of my family and do things with them outdoors and that’s about it, really. I don’t have a “grand scheme” thing. My American Dream is just more personal to me as far as working, making a good living and being able to provide for my family, college for my son. Things like that – simple things in life, that’s really what it comes down to for me. That’s my dream.

PM: Do you think your question surprised Obama, caught him off guard at all?

JW: Well that was actually my intent. Most people, you ask them “do you believe in the American Dream?” Nine times out of ten they’ll sit there and go, “Yeah, of course!” That’s where he messed up, because as soon as I asked him that, his answer shows that he doesn’t believe in the American Dream. You know, like the question you asked before – he pretty much contradicted himself. “I don’t want to punish you but – “ Well, you’re going to anyways.

PM: Has there been a lot of media interest in your story? Have you been getting a lot of calls from the media asking you to talk about this?

JW: Neil Cavuto, I was on his show earlier today, just a phone interview for about five minutes. He asked a couple of questions. Then a talk show – Trey Ware – he has a conservative talk show down in San Antonio, Texas – he picked up on it. I’ve had friends call me from all over the nation, saying they heard Rush Limbaugh quote something from me or they’ve heard Hannity quote something. I guess it’s getting quite a bit of play.

PM: What kind of feedback are you getting from friends and family, other than the fact they have heard you being quoted on some very popular talk shows?

JW: Well, my son thinks it’s absolutely the most incredible thing in the world. He loves – I always teach him to speak his mind and to know what he’s talking about before he speaks his mind because usually there’s always someone in the room who will know what you’re talking about. So he just thinks it’s really neat. My friends – well, a lot of them will come to me and ask me political questions just because I think it’s important to know about it – and so they know they’ll get a straight answer from me, even if I don’t like they guy or I do like the guy, you know, I’ll give them the pros and cons of it and let them make their own decisions on it. But some, they know it’s pretty important to me. I was kind of actually nervous about doing any of this, you know, answering calls and going on that show. But they all, you know, said that I always answer them good and so they just said go for it, so they’ve been very supportive.

PM: Do you hope Sen. McCain will talk more about this issue during Wednesday’s debate, you know, taxes for small businesses?

JW: There’s a lot of things I wish McCain would say. As far as this, yes, I would like him to speak. Not so much about small businesses, but just people in general that make this money. It’s not up to them to help America, I mean – let me rephrase that. It’s not – they shouldn’t be taxed more because they’ve succeeded. That’s envy and jealousy. Get off your butt and go work. Don’t sit there and expect the government to give it to you. So I wouldn’t mind him speaking on it like that. I know he couldn’t say it probably like that because that’d turn a lot of people off. But it just – yeah, I guess I would like him to speak about that and a bunch of other things. I’d like to hear him talk about immigration and what he plans on doing about that and with our borders. I mean, there’s a lot of things that haven’t even been addressed in the last two debates.

PM: You’re right about that. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

JW: Thank you so much.

Guru
10-16-2008, 04:44 PM
Check that last name there Gu... he's an illegal voter!!!1!1!!!!!whatever.:shake:

jAZ
10-16-2008, 04:47 PM
whatever.:shake:

That's pretty much right response to this and the entire ACORN "scandal".

Thanks for playing along!

Guru
10-16-2008, 04:49 PM
That's pretty much right response to this and the entire ACORN "scandal".

Thanks for playing along!

whatever. :shake:

jiveturkey
10-16-2008, 04:51 PM
I can tell several of the planet libs posting on this thread has NO F'N clue what its like to be a bsn. owner.I own a business and have been pretty successful over the last 3 years.

Do you want to enlighten us further?

It's pretty basic stuff IMO.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 04:53 PM
whatever. :shake:

Good to see you get comfortable with this fact.

triple
10-16-2008, 04:55 PM
this... ACORN "scandal".

the fact that you quote "scandal" like there is nothing to see here and we should move along makes me crack up

Guru
10-16-2008, 04:56 PM
Good to see you get comfortable with this fact.
whatever. :shake:

beer bacon
10-16-2008, 05:03 PM
Joe the Plummer does not own a business, does not have plans to own a business, is a registered Republican, does not earn $250,000+ dollars a year, would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan, and neither he or his employer are licensed plummers in Toledo, Ohio.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 05:09 PM
whatever. :shake:

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jettio
10-16-2008, 05:58 PM
Joe the Plummer does not own a business, does not have plans to own a business, is a registered Republican, does not earn $250,000+ dollars a year, would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan, and neither he or his employee are licensed plummers in Toledo, Ohio.

Maybe McCain ought to vet the folks that he casts in the spotlight. First Palin, now Joe the scofflaw.

Calcountry
10-16-2008, 06:21 PM
Holy shit!!! stop the presses. People go by their middle name now? Whatever will we do. I used to be kcchiefsguru. Now I'm Guru. I'm commiting CP voter fraud. OH NOEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!!!!SHut up Lorie Beth.

I'm going to have to tell Jim bob.

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 08:03 PM
"Barak Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber"

Obama is starting to look like a real jerk.

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NewChief
10-16-2008, 08:05 PM
Joe the Plummer does not own a business, does not have plans to own a business, is a registered Republican, does not earn $250,000+ dollars a year, would get a tax cut under Obama's tax plan, and neither he or his employer are licensed plummers in Toledo, Ohio.

He also owes like $1,200 in back taxes from what I heard today on the radio.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 08:05 PM
"Barak Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber"

Obama is starting to look like a real jerk.

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Desperate editing.

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 08:08 PM
Desperate editing.

Regardless of the editing, he still mocked him on video and McCain for standing up for him.

RINGLEADER
10-16-2008, 08:17 PM
The only reason Joe the Plumber is even a story is because Obama let slip that his economic platform is socialism. Joe the Plumber didn't make Obama say that. But, in true Obama fashion, he'd rather rail against poor Joe than actually have to address the fact that the words everyone seems to be upset about came out of his own mouth. This is just another variant on how he deals with issues like Rev. Wright and Ayers and everything else that's inconvenient.

And if the left doesn't disagree with Obama's "spread the wealth" statement then you should herald Joe the Plumber as the guy who finally got your candidate to loosen up and speak the truth!

Guru
10-16-2008, 08:55 PM
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jAZ
10-16-2008, 08:59 PM
Regardless of the editing, he still mocked him on video and McCain for standing up for him.
I'll assume that's not a bold faced lie, by you, and that you are just unaware of the full quote. You certainly wouldn't know from that bogus clip that the subject of Obama's mockery is McCain's suggestion that he's fighting for a middle-income (well under $200K according to Joe himself).

Here is the full quote, without the distorted editing.

"(John McCain is offering) the same kinds of tax cuts that George Bush offered. Same argument. Same philosophy. That we can give more and more to millionaires and billionaires and prosparity will trickle down to all of us somehow. And then he's trying to suggest that a plumber somehow the guy he's fighting for. How many plumbers do you know making $200,000 a year?"

The underlined section is the part edited out of the video in order to hide the fact that the subject of Obama's comments was McCain and his ridiculous suggestion that McCain is fighting for a plumber rather than Fortune 500 CEOs.

Pathetic that you'd try to parrot that deliberately deceptive garbage here.

You can see the video of that full clip here (unfortunately in 2 parts).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl4Tw1dCjb8 (final minute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFXx2y1ERQ (first minute)

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:01 PM
...he'd rather rail against poor Joe...
Knowing you, I can confidently say that this is definatley a bold faced lie.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:03 PM
Whatever. :shake:

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The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 09:11 PM
I'll assume that's not a bold faced lie, by you, and that you are just unaware of the full quote. You certainly wouldn't know from that bogus clip that the subject of Obama's mockery is McCain's suggestion that he's fighting for a middle-income (well under $200K according to Joe himself).

Here is the full quote, without the distorted editing.

"(John McCain is offering) the same kinds of tax cuts that George Bush offered. Same argument. Same philosophy. That we can give more and more to millionaires and billionaires and prosparity will trickle down to all of us somehow. And then he's trying to suggest that a plumber somehow the guy he's fighting for. How many plumbers do you know making $200,000 a year?"

The underlined section is the part edited out of the video in order to hide the fact that the subject of Obama's comments was McCain and his ridiculous suggestion that McCain is fighting for a plumber rather than Fortune 500 CEOs.

Pathetic that you'd try to parrot that deliberately deceptive garbage here.

You can see the video of that full clip here (unfortunately in 2 parts).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl4Tw1dCjb8 (final minute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFXx2y1ERQ (first minute)

ROFL, still same old deceptive blind jaz. You're quote isn't even correct. He didn't say $200,000 a year, he said a quarter of a million a year. If you're going to spin at least get the quote correct.

Like I said despite the editing, Obama is still clearly mocking Joe the Plumber. I'm at least trying to stay objective but attacking the plumber was just down right stupid. What burns me is why can't a plumber make a quarter of a million a year? Why can't he acheive that? Also, what's wrong with McCain standing up for the plumber? I thought the Dems was for the little guy? Clearly not with Obama attacking the little guy while McCain DID stand up for Joe the Plumber. You are going to have a hard time defending this from those who want to achieve the American dream and YES it made Obama look like a huge JERK!

TGI

jAZ
10-16-2008, 09:15 PM
ROFL, still same old deceptive blind jaz. You're quote isn't even correct. He didn't say $200,000 a year, he said a quarter of a million a year. If you're going to spin at least get the quote correct.

Like I said despite the editing, Obama is still clearly mocking Joe the Plumber. I'm at least trying to stay objective but attacking the plumber was just down right stupid. What burns me is why can't a plumber make a quarter of a million a year? Why can't he acheive that? Also, what's wrong with McCain standing up for the plumber? I thought the Dems was for the little guy? Clearly not with Obama attacking the little guy while McCain DID stand up for Joe the Plumber. You are going to have a hard time defending this from those who want to achieve the American dream and YES it made Obama look like a huge JERK!

TGI

I had to transcribe the quote, sorry for the typo. But your now officially a liar about attacking Joe. Guess there's that.

RINGLEADER
10-16-2008, 09:16 PM
Knowing you, I can confidently say that this is definatley a bold faced lie.

ROFL.

You're funny.

If you don't think the Obama campaign is doing every kind of oppo research they can to discredit this guy you're also naive.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama "screwed up" by admitting something that he doesn't want America to know until AFTER he's elected.

Logical
10-16-2008, 09:21 PM
Somebody ought to let Joe the Plumber know that business expenses are subtracted from gross revenues prior to determining net profit and loss from a business.

He can go ahead and hire anyone worth hiring for his business and the cost of that employee will not be taxable since it will be a business expense that would reduce net profit.

If Joe the Plumber does not hire someone because he might pay a higher marginal tax rate on income over a quarter of a million then Joe the Plumber ought to hire Gina the Accountant, the one with the huge tits, to explain how taxable income is calculated so that Joe's dumbazz could figure out that that whole GOP argument about not being able to hire necessary employees for a small business is pure horsesh*t.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Friendo
10-16-2008, 09:21 PM
ROFL.

You're funny.

If you don't think the Obama campaign is doing every kind of oppo research they can to discredit this guy you're also naive.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama "screwed up" by admitting something that he doesn't want America to know until AFTER he's elected.


so they're doing the McCain campaign's work for them? guy's the street version of Jeff Gannon--end of story

Guru
10-16-2008, 09:25 PM
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RINGLEADER
10-16-2008, 09:27 PM
so they're doing the McCain campaign's work for them? guy's the street version of Jeff Gannon--end of story

I don't disagree. I don't really care about Joe the Plumber. His comment to Obama was obviously loaded but he sure has Obama nervous because they've got the wrecking ball out for him.

If they dig up enough dirt they'll be able to make HIM the story instead of Obama's sociali, er, economic program. Same thing they did with Rev. Wright (he's like a crazy old uncle) and Bill Ayers (I was 8 when he bombed police stations). Good politics. Not exactly in keeping with his image, but good politics.

Friendo
10-16-2008, 09:31 PM
I don't disagree. I don't really care about Joe the Plumber. His comment to Obama was obviously loaded but he sure has Obama nervous because they've got the wrecking ball out for him.

If they dig up enough dirt they'll be able to make HIM the story instead of Obama's sociali, er, economic program.

so your problem with BO is he presents himself as one thing, but in reality is another. but you don't really care about the plumber? gotcha :thumb:

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 09:45 PM
I had to transcribe the quote, sorry for the typo. But your now officially a liar about attacking Joe. Guess there's that.

ROFL

Do you not realize how he mocked and degraded him and plumbers?

"How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?"

That alone made Obama look like a huge arrogant JERK!

Logical
10-16-2008, 09:48 PM
LOL Joe the Plumber is not even licensed, has a lien because he did not pay his 2007 taxes, only made 40K in 2006 and his employer only makes a little over 100K per year.

Logical
10-16-2008, 09:49 PM
ROFL

Do you not realize how he mocked and degraded him and plumbers?

"How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter million dollars a year?"

That alone made Obama look like a huge arrogant JERK!Evidently not Joe. LMAO

The_Grand_Illusion
10-16-2008, 09:57 PM
Evidently not Joe. LMAO

:shake:

There's nothing wrong with aspiring to get there.

FWIW, his state doesn't require a license if he's employed by a company that has one. That's what AP was reporting on the radio earlier.

jAZ
10-16-2008, 10:56 PM
ROFL.

You're funny.

If you don't think the Obama campaign is doing every kind of oppo research they can to discredit this guy you're also naive.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama "screwed up" by admitting something that he doesn't want America to know until AFTER he's elected.
I'm sure it's indy oppo research, but in any case... they are pretty freaking good it seems.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=194383

jjjayb
10-16-2008, 11:47 PM
You're new, so I'll fill you in: jAZ is fine with fraud if it helps Democrats.

He's funny that way.

Jaz is a he?!? All this time I thought he was a woman. :eek:

tiptap
10-17-2008, 08:26 AM
I don't disagree. I don't really care about Joe the Plumber. His comment to Obama was obviously loaded but he sure has Obama nervous because they've got the wrecking ball out for him.

If they dig up enough dirt they'll be able to make HIM the story instead of Obama's sociali, er, economic program. Same thing they did with Rev. Wright (he's like a crazy old uncle) and Bill Ayers (I was 8 when he bombed police stations). Good politics. Not exactly in keeping with his image, but good politics.

If Joe had remained simply a internet figure he would not have been slung into the middle of the campaign. McCain and the talking point radio stations heaved him on the larger landscape. And his particular situation does give a concrete example of the respective programs.

Now I don't like dredging up his tax liabilities and stuff because a lot of that is timing. But his association with Keatings is just too weird to ignore. I mean it shouldn't matter but once its out there it can't be ignored and it invites questioning.

RaiderH8r
10-17-2008, 09:23 AM
ROFL.

You're funny.

If you don't think the Obama campaign is doing every kind of oppo research they can to discredit this guy you're also naive.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama "screwed up" by admitting something that he doesn't want America to know until AFTER he's elected.

The douchebags at DailyKos are tripping over their dicks trying to get mud on Joe the Plumber for their usual smear campaign to discredit a fella. These are the same fuckwads that brought you the Gov. Palin's son was born by her 17 year old daughter story.

Bottom line is Barry-O let slip his communist philosophy and it's out there for the world to see. But Barry-O and his minions don't want to talk about that. They're going to put on a show of bluster and bullshit to draw attention away from the fact that Barry-O and his Obots are nothing more than neo-communist lemmings.

Barry's philosophy is certainly fair game for discussion so why not have at it?

***SPRAYER
10-17-2008, 09:30 AM
The douchebags at DailyKos are tripping over their dicks trying to get mud on Joe the Plumber for their usual smear campaign to discredit a fella.

Daily Kos are a bunch of scumbags. That's why the Dem's are always going to their conventions.

triple
10-17-2008, 09:34 AM
this is pretty funny. they unleashed the pitbulls on Joe the Plumber faster than they did on Sarah Palin.

I wonder if there are paid staffers digging through his garbage?

***SPRAYER
10-17-2008, 09:37 AM
this is pretty funny. they unleashed the pitbulls on Joe the Plumber faster than they did on Sarah Palin.

I wonder if there are paid staffers digging through his garbage?

No, they are all volunteers.

RaiderH8r
10-17-2008, 09:49 AM
No, they are all volunteers.

With ACORN. While sifting through Joe's garbage they've also managed to register Whiskers the Cat and Joe's black lab Trigger.