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HemiEd
10-17-2008, 10:10 AM
October Surprise (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html)

Worth your time, if it is a repost, I don't care.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-17-2008, 10:14 AM
http://lolcats.com/images/u/07/24/lolcatsdotcomiy0hwr7nqv87ch3g.jpg

BigCatDaddy
10-17-2008, 10:20 AM
I sure hope it's something better then that.

Fish
10-17-2008, 10:28 AM
I like the confident "disclaimer" at the bottom.....

Update: Based on comments and email, it is evidently necessary to point out that Berg may or may not be correct in the factual assertions claimed in this video and, more importantly, in his court filings. Determining the factual basis is the responsibility of the court, based on filings provided by both parties. I have no way of knowing whether Berg is a kook on this issue or not.

(...)

It may be the case that Berg is completely wrong.

This could be the game changer, but we really don't know if it's true.... we admit our source very well may be a "kook" and completely wrong in his "facts", but who are we to decide huh?

Iowanian
10-17-2008, 10:31 AM
Does that link include an upskirt of Mrs Gonzalez?

triple
10-17-2008, 10:33 AM
doesn't sound like there is much to it, but i dont know the backstory.

for the sake of argument, what is the counterclaim to:


the Obama campaign could have submitted documentation to the court quashing this case. Instead, it has chosen to engage in a legal strategy of delay. Why would they do this if Obama's documentation were in order? Why would they only provide electronic (so far as I know) copies to friendly sources?

Iowanian
10-17-2008, 10:37 AM
I wonder if Hillary funded the picture?

Taco John
10-17-2008, 10:42 AM
Snopes:

Claim: Barack Obama has refused to make his birth certificate available for examination because it contains damaging information about him.

Status: FALSE



http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Fish
10-17-2008, 10:43 AM
doesn't sound like there is much to it, but i dont know the backstory.

for the sake of argument, what is the counterclaim to:

Maybe because it's a preposterous accusation and the only people demanding "proof" are the ones who wouldn't believe it anyway?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.) Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims (i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/) with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front.

Iowanian
10-17-2008, 10:46 AM
This should be a very simple thing for him to squash if he's a natural born US citizen.

I could get the documents to proove my citizenship and school records in days. As large of a staff as Obama is managing(personally)...he should be able to get the documents, wipe his ass with them and send them to this guy.

That guy, has the document with Barry signed as an Indonesian Muslim.


I guess I don't claim to know the technical legalities of being born, changing citizenship(if true) and coming back.

HemiEd
10-17-2008, 10:53 AM
This should be a very simple thing for him to squash if he's a natural born US citizen.

I could get the documents to proove my citizenship and school records in days. As large of a staff as Obama is managing(personally)...he should be able to get the documents, wipe his ass with them and send them to this guy.

That guy, has the document with Barry signed as an Indonesian Muslim.


I guess I don't claim to know the technical legalities of being born, changing citizenship(if true) and coming back.

Exactly, if he is a citizen, he should squash this with the documents right away.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-17-2008, 11:00 AM
Exactly, if he is a citizen, he should squash this with the documents right away.

Good thing this wasn't posted in this very thread. (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5124468&postcount=8)

Fish
10-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Exactly, if he is a citizen, he should squash this with the documents right away.

He did provide the documents. It was considered squashed. It's been available for some time. Some loons just don't want to believe it, and would rather hang their hopes on conspiracy theories than common sense...


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

Iowanian
10-17-2008, 11:04 AM
I saw the snopes link, I saw the certificate. Thats easy enough.

Has he addressed citizenship in Indonesia after his mother remarried?
Was he adopted by the Indonesian, and did he recieve Indonesian citizenship to attend school, as the document Berg showed suggested?

Where did the Soprano's name come into play?


His mother must have had a true aversion to American men.

triple
10-17-2008, 11:10 AM
Maybe because it's a preposterous accusation and the only people demanding "proof" are the ones who wouldn't believe it anyway?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Why doesn't he crush the court case in one stroke by providing the original for authentication?

tiptap
10-17-2008, 11:24 AM
You think the Hawaiian Dept of Health and Statistics is sitting on the fact that it doesn't exist because. . . it isn't like they cannot say it doesn't exist because that can't be construed as a privacy invasion when no document is at risk. They just can't furnish a certificate to anyone for their purposes.

Fish
10-17-2008, 11:31 AM
Why doesn't he crush the court case in one stroke by providing the original for authentication?

He has. And the court isn't demanding anything. Berg is the only one demanding documents. The court hasn't demanded anything from Obama. There is a motion in place right now to dismiss the lawsuit.

Factcheck.org has a good piece on this...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Taco John
10-17-2008, 11:33 AM
If he's really human, he'll provide a DNA sample.

http://www.thedailypage.com/media/2007/12/15/190Piss.jpg

Let's see it Barack!

triple
10-17-2008, 11:47 AM
He has. And the court isn't demanding anything. Berg is the only one demanding documents. The court hasn't demanded anything from Obama. There is a motion in place right now to dismiss the lawsuit.

Factcheck.org has a good piece on this...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Since factcheck is the outfit that decided he had no record of being anti-gun, I'll make sure I lend that link no creedence whatever.

at any rate, "there's a motion to dismiss" doesn't mean anything. they are probably alleging that this person has no standing, it has nothing to do with the facts of whether or not he's a naturalized citizen or not. The fact that someone has asked the court to dismiss the claim means only that.

Adept Havelock
10-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Yep, Factcheck and Snopes...leaders of the VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY.

I bet he shot Vince Foster, too. ROFL

kstater
10-17-2008, 12:01 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If he wasn't a US citizen, he wouldn't have made it to this point.

Fish
10-17-2008, 12:05 PM
If he's really human, he'll provide a DNA sample.

http://www.thedailypage.com/media/2007/12/15/190Piss.jpg

Let's see it Barack!

Yes. If he's really not a cyborg, then why won't he provide the proof? What is he afraid of? This must mean that he is in fact a cyborg. Logic rules!

Fish
10-25-2008, 09:12 AM
Surprise! Surprise!! The case was thrown out.... shocking I tell you...

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot

By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News
hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot. Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president. He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.

Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24. They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

Surrick agreed. In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters. Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.) Berg could not be reached for comment last night.

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there. Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.
The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate. Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4. *

whatsmynameagain
10-25-2008, 09:31 AM
Why would they even respond to such a idiotic motion? The level of pathetic that the republicans are at is higher than anything I have ever seen. Pure desperation everywhere you look. All Im seeing is hate and despair from these "conservatives." It isnt any wonder you guys are losing and losing bad but do stoop as low as some of you had, wheres your dignity? You really think Obama would have gotten into the US senate without being a citizen? GET FUCKING REAL

KC Jones
10-25-2008, 09:50 AM
Yes. If he's really not a cyborg, then why won't he provide the proof? What is he afraid of? This must mean that he is in fact a cyborg. Logic rules!

This must be THE REAL REASON that he supports continued space research!!!!

OMG!!!!!

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 09:56 AM
Hasn't B.O. travelled to Kenya? He needed a passport, and the US would not have issued him one if he wasn't an American citizen.

Unless he has a passport from another country. But as I recall, there were some interns at the State Dept snooping around at B.O.'s and McCains passport information so obviously he has a US Passport.

I think the reason why B.O. is hiding is birth cirtificate is it shows he's a bastard, and he's ashamed of that.

J Diddy
10-25-2008, 10:02 AM
Hasn't B.O. travelled to Kenya? He needed a passport, and the US would not have issued him one if he wasn't an American citizen.

Unless he has a passport from another country. But as I recall, there were some interns at the State Dept snooping around at B.O.'s and McCains passport information so obviously he has a US Passport.

I think the reason why B.O. is hiding is birth cirtificate is it shows he's a bastard, and he's ashamed of that.


http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

his birth certificate is on his website

HolmeZz
10-25-2008, 10:04 AM
I take it you idiots are convinced you can't win on the issues. You ever think that's probably why you're losing?

Thig Lyfe
10-25-2008, 10:13 AM
This must be THE REAL REASON that he supports continued space research!!!!

OMG!!!!!

GAME CHANGER!!!

OBAMA IS A MUSLIM TERRORIST CYBORG BABY-KILLER FROM THE MUSLIM TIME RIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE WANTS TO CONTINUE SPACE RESEARCH SO HE CAN FIND A BLACK HOLE TO DUMP ALL WHITE PEOPLE AND UNBORN FETUSES INTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DON'T YOU SEE?!?!?!

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 10:46 AM
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

his birth certificate is on his website

Celine, no matter how many times you O-bots post that link, a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. They are two completely different documents.

:ZZZ:

kstater
10-25-2008, 10:48 AM
Celine, no matter how many times you O-bots post that link, a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. They are two completely different documents.

:ZZZ:

Obviously it doesn't matter as this link: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

shows just how irrelevant this mumbo jumbo is.

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 10:56 AM
Obviously it doesn't matter as this link: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

shows just how irrelevant this mumbo jumbo is.

That's fine, but it has nothing to do with what I said. The Certificate of Live Birth that O-bots keep linking to as if that is his actual birth certificate are wrong.

That is not in dispute. The document they link to was issued/printed in 2007. That is not what a document from 1961 would look like. :rolleyes:

HolmeZz
10-25-2008, 11:01 AM
The point of a Certificate of Life Birth is to prove the existence of a Birth Certificate. Knowing that, what are you bitching about?

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 11:09 AM
The point of a Certificate of Life Birth is to prove the existence of a Birth Certificate. Knowing that, what are you bitching about?

The lack of honesty? :rolleyes:

HolmeZz
10-25-2008, 11:20 AM
The lack of honesty? :rolleyes:

I don't see you condeming the people who are still accusing Obama of not being a U.S. citizen.

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 11:20 AM
I don't see you condeming the people who are still accusing Obama of not being a U.S. citizen.

You can blame B.O. for all of the confusion. At best, his personal accounts have been apocryphal.

HolmeZz
10-25-2008, 11:21 AM
You can blame B.O. for all of the confusion. At best, his personal accounts have been apocryphal.

What have his personal accounts been?

splatbass
10-25-2008, 11:41 AM
Celine, no matter how many times you O-bots post that link, a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. They are two completely different documents.

:ZZZ:

You are WRONG. Again. I live in Hawaii. That is a legal birth certificate in Hawaii. You are an idiot.

If you apply for a copy of a birth certificate in Hawaii that is what you get. You get no options for anything else. This has been on the local news, and the office that issues them confirmed this. By the way, we have a Republican governor, and the office that issues them is run by a Republican appointed by her. Why would they lie for Obama, especially since Gov. Lingle is a big supporter of McCain?

whoman69
10-25-2008, 06:16 PM
The reason has got to be clear. Obama did not take any action in this case for reasons of national security. He has come to learn that Philip J. Berg is in fact an alien. No he is not an illegal alien, he is in fact an extra-terrestial. By Obama contesting this in court the fact could come out which would cause panic across the world. Mr. Berg is from the planet Nibiru which will of course destroy planet Earth in 2012. You guys just had to push. Now the secret is out. The panic is on your shoulders.

***SPRAYER
10-25-2008, 06:19 PM
You are WRONG. Again. I live in Hawaii. That is a legal birth certificate in Hawaii. You are an idiot.

It is a generic copy, issued in 2007. It's not the original.

:rolleyes:

Logical
10-25-2008, 06:22 PM
doesn't sound like there is much to it, but i dont know the backstory.

for the sake of argument, what is the counterclaim to:Just to be clear the Judge has already dismissed this case. This is a non-story.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/893285012.html

splatbass
10-25-2008, 06:48 PM
It is a generic copy, issued in 2007. It's not the original.

:rolleyes:

Wow, you guys should see the neg rep this classy guy SHTFORBRAINS gave me. I'd print it but I don't think that kind of language is allowed here. ROFL

All because I used facts to prove him wrong. What a classy guy.

whoman69
10-25-2008, 09:20 PM
Wow, you guys should see the neg rep this classy guy SHTFORBRAINS gave me. I'd print it but I don't think that kind of language is allowed here. ROFL

All because I used facts to prove him wrong. What a classy guy.

He wanted me to orally pleasure him. I told him I don't work with small claims. When he's holding up one of those God hates pillowbiters signs, he's really saying "God hates me."

kcfanintitanhell
10-25-2008, 09:29 PM
Why doesn't he crush the court case in one stroke by providing the original for authentication?

Maybe he's just going to let the RNC string this whole charade along while he discusses the real issues facing this country long enough to once again give them enough rope to hang themselves.

Logical
10-25-2008, 09:43 PM
Just to be clear the Judge has already dismissed this case. This is a non-story.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/893285012.htmlOne more time folks the case has already been dismissed. It was dismissed by Judge Surrick October 24th because Berg did not have standing.