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Mr. Laz
10-17-2008, 12:49 PM
Before all the righties start crying ..... i know that McCain isn't George Bush.

Bush is a mindless puppet for Rove,Cheney and big oil and McCain isn't.

But .......


John McCain has spent the last 8 years in bed with Dubya. McCain and the rest of his GOP brethren have made excuses and defended this administration to the very end.


now they want to say "Just Kidding"? :spock:

triple
10-17-2008, 12:55 PM
Most voters have watched the news occasionally the past 8 years and know that McCain and Bush have a frosty relationship.

People aren't stupid. They remember 2000 and all the time since and they know that the two aren't close.

Mecca
10-17-2008, 12:58 PM
I disagree with the "people aren't stupid" line....most people are actually stupid.

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2008, 01:12 PM
Most voters have watched the news occasionally the past 8 years and know that McCain and Bush have a frosty relationship.

People aren't stupid. They remember 2000 and all the time since and they know that the two aren't close.

Doesn't matter. Obama has portrayed (correctly) him as a tic embedded deep in GWB's policies.

It's one reason why McCain't has run such a horrible campaign.

Mr. Kotter
10-17-2008, 01:33 PM
Guilt by association is a strategy of desperation.

However, those who indulge in it, shouldn't be surprised when others turn the tables on them. Hypocrisy in such matters is transparent, and should be avoided.

It's just more evidence of the silly season that politics have become.

RaiderH8r
10-17-2008, 01:57 PM
I disagree with the "people aren't stupid" line....most people are actually stupid.

Current polling data supports this statement.:D

RaiderH8r
10-17-2008, 01:58 PM
Doesn't matter. Obama has portrayed (correctly) him as a tic embedded deep in GWB's policies.

It's one reason why McCain't has run such a horrible campaign.

And Barry's social philosophy is guided by the likes of Marx, Lenin, and Ayers but McCain has failed to successfully inform people of that. It's another reason why McCain has run such a horrible campaign.

Fat Elvis
10-17-2008, 02:05 PM
Guilt by association is a strategy of desperation.

However, those who indulge in it, shouldn't be surprised when others turn the tables on them. Hypocrisy in such matters is transparent, and should be avoided.

It's just more evidence of the silly season that politics have become.

It is funny that the public prefers a candidate that pals around with terrorists over the candidate that pals around with presidents....

Chiefnj2
10-17-2008, 02:11 PM
Guilt by association is a strategy of desperation.

However, those who indulge in it, shouldn't be surprised when others turn the tables on them. Hypocrisy in such matters is transparent, and should be avoided.

It's just more evidence of the silly season that politics have become.

Your saying that "Obama pals around with terrorists" is the same as "McCain will be 4 more years of the Bush administration"?

Mecca
10-17-2008, 02:12 PM
It is funny that the public prefers a candidate that pals around with terrorists over the candidate that pals around with presidents....

Oh for the love of christ.

jettio
10-17-2008, 02:20 PM
For as long as there is a United States, it will never be a surprise that the incumbent party that does a poor job will be voted out of office.

B*sh's approval ratings are very low and that is based on the fact that things have gone downhill with him in charge.

Obama had it right in his convention speech. Time for the GOP to own up to its failures.

It is amazing to see all of the crybaby conservatives pissing and moaning as if they are surprised that Americans would not vote for the GOP when it did an obviously poor job with their opportunity to run the government.

Pitt Gorilla
10-17-2008, 03:33 PM
McCain claims to have voted with W 90 or so percent of the time. The Dems don't have to work too hard to connect them when McCain has already performed the heavy lifting.

triple
10-17-2008, 03:38 PM
McCain claims to have voted with W 90 or so percent of the time. The Dems don't have to work too hard to connect them when McCain has already performed the heavy lifting.

i read the other day that in 2006, Obama voted with Bush 49% of the time. and this whole argument neglects the point when mccain may have faught and torn things out of a bill the Bush administration backed, which he does often, before supporting the final bill.

McCain's been as low in support of Bush as 77%, and with his party's position down around 60%.

What's more scandalous, McCain voting with bush who has double digit approval ratings, or is Obama voting with senate democrats with single digit approval ratings? 97% of the time since he joined the Senate he votes along party lines.

the Obamabot is in the senate I guess, not on the internet, robotically voting however Harry Reid tells him to

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2008, 04:08 PM
And Barry's social philosophy is guided by the likes of Marx, Lenin, and Ayers but McCain has failed to successfully inform people of that. It's another reason why McCain has run such a horrible campaign.

Maybe. Obama's campaign has simply been more effective.

It helps that McCain picked Palin. And that their campaign seems go in circles.

Dave Lane
10-17-2008, 04:47 PM
And Barry's social philosophy is guided by the likes of Marx, Lenin, and Ayers but McCain has failed to successfully inform people of that. It's another reason why McCain has run such a horrible campaign.

Yeah he's hardly brought up Bill Ayers. Good catch!

jettio
10-17-2008, 05:10 PM
And Barry's social philosophy is guided by the likes of Marx, Lenin, and Ayers but McCain has failed to successfully inform people of that. It's another reason why McCain has run such a horrible campaign.

Obama is a moderate. His fiscal proposals are not radical. Increasing the highest marginal tax rates to what they were a few years ago is not that big a deal.

And the only reason he proposes health care reform is because it is necessary.

The status quo of health care and having wars funded on debt are not sustainable.

If you want to understand Obama you ought to read his writings and listen to his speeches.

Obama is a practical person, and his support is based on the fact that he proposes a politics that gets past the knee jerk reactionaries who thoughtlessly prejudge people and situations and throw labels around instead of figuring out practical solutions.

Have you even read any books that describe the philosophies of any of the people that you mention?

You are just spouting off nonsense. You are probably one of those dumbazzes that calls Bill Clinton a liberal.

BIG_DADDY
10-17-2008, 05:15 PM
Obama is a moderate. . LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO I've heard it all now.

jettio
10-17-2008, 05:23 PM
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO I've heard it all now.

You have never heard or understood anything, you are just a close-minded person with no ability to apply yourself and understand anything.

The GOP brainwashed you into thinking that their approach was muy macho and since steroid abuse has side effects, you can't get past that and can't think for yourself.

Guru
10-17-2008, 05:25 PM
This shit again?

Fruit Ninja
10-17-2008, 05:46 PM
I am pretty new to this politics stuff. I just dont understand all the hate. 1 Person is a republican and they do anything to say something bad about a democrat and visa versa.

I am not a demo or a repub. To be quite frank about it. I dont even know what party stands for what. I never cared about all of this until recently when everyone i know is losing jobs or houses and in some cases both. I just know that this country is in alot of shit. So now i decided hey i better take a look into this, beucase whatever they are doing right now is not working. lol

Anyways, from what i can see from both sides, i am probably going to vote for Obama. I know you gotta pick the lesser of the 2 evils and from what i can see, i am.

Anyways, some posts on here are just ridiculous and childish. I can understand that on a different kind of forum, but on this forum where everyone is pretty much adults? I dont know. lol

headsnap
10-17-2008, 05:49 PM
I disagree with the "people aren't stupid" line....most people are actually stupid.
That reminds me of one of my new favorite quotes:
"we don't see the world as it is, we see the world as we are..."


thanks for clarifying that about yourself for me Mecca...

2bikemike
10-18-2008, 10:26 AM
i read the other day that in 2006, Obama voted with Bush 49% of the time. and this whole argument neglects the point when mccain may have faught and torn things out of a bill the Bush administration backed, which he does often, before supporting the final bill.

McCain's been as low in support of Bush as 77%, and with his party's position down around 60%.

What's more scandalous, McCain voting with bush who has double digit approval ratings, or is Obama voting with senate democrats with single digit approval ratings? 97% of the time since he joined the Senate he votes along party lines.

the Obamabot is in the senate I guess, not on the internet, robotically voting however Harry Reid tells him to

Yeah there is a lot of glossing over of the congressional approval rating. Hell if I had my way we would fire the whole lot of the SOB's and start over. From the Pres all the way down to the most junior congressman.

PRIEST
10-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Yeah there is a lot of glossing over of the congressional approval rating. Hell if I had my way we would fire the whole lot of the SOB's and start over. From the Pres all the way down to the most junior congressman.


That is exactly what needs to happen.

whoman69
10-18-2008, 10:39 AM
Most voters have watched the news occasionally the past 8 years and know that McCain and Bush have a frosty relationship.

People aren't stupid. They remember 2000 and all the time since and they know that the two aren't close.

It was McCain himself who actually came up with the agrees with the President 90% line. Who are you kidding. McCain wants to hitch his wagon to Bush's base, but not his policies?