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oldandslow
10-17-2008, 04:26 PM
Pass the popcorn....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html

But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.

But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.

Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she's not a big "egghead" but she has brilliant instincts and inner toughness. But what instincts? "I'm Joe Six-Pack"? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation—"palling around with terrorists." If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber, who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn't, really, understand. This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn't seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts.

No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can't be president or vice president and govern in that style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush's style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.

In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.

dirk digler
10-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Damn that left a mark.

BigChiefFan
10-17-2008, 04:40 PM
Agreed.

RJ
10-17-2008, 04:46 PM
I still don't get the Palin selection. Why did McCain want to "energize the base"? It seems to me that the Republican base would have still voted for him, or, worst case, not voted at all. But by selecting Palin he also managed to energize the dems base, by virtue of her being such a divisive person, while at the same time driving away many of his own supporters and swing voters. I just don't see how she has helped him.

PRIEST
10-17-2008, 04:52 PM
Palin will be shoveling snow before to long :evil:

jidar
10-17-2008, 04:56 PM
I still don't get the Palin selection. Why did McCain want to "energize the base"? It seems to me that the Republican base would have still voted for him, or, worst case, not voted at all. But by selecting Palin he also managed to energize the dems base, by virtue of her being such a divisive person, while at the same time driving away many of his own supporters and swing voters. I just don't see how she has helped him.

Well hindsight is 20/20, I'm sure that when he is thinking about this to himself he wishes he hadn't picked her.

Taco John
10-17-2008, 05:07 PM
I have a problem with politicians who have no philisophical underpinning by which I can gauge their decisions.

kstater
10-17-2008, 05:08 PM
I still don't get the Palin selection. Why did McCain want to "energize the base"? It seems to me that the Republican base would have still voted for him, or, worst case, not voted at all. But by selecting Palin he also managed to energize the dems base, by virtue of her being such a divisive person, while at the same time driving away many of his own supporters and swing voters. I just don't see how she has helped him.

Hello, she's pro-America. Duh.

Guru
10-17-2008, 05:31 PM
Politics needs a complete makeover. I am so tired of both sides talking about the other side. Start focusing on what you will do as Pres not what the other will do. Obama has started to go in that direction. I hope McCain follows suit.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-17-2008, 05:33 PM
She is both Bushian and a Reaganite--an empty suit who does what they are told by their advisers.

Joe Seahawk
10-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Peggy Noonan is one hell of a writer..

whoman69
10-18-2008, 10:37 AM
If McCain loses this election, or even if he wins and serves just one term, what are the odds she runs in 2012? Any predictions on whether she has the success of Dan Quayle or George HW Bush?

MahiMike
10-18-2008, 01:33 PM
I still don't get the Palin selection. Why did McCain want to "energize the base"? It seems to me that the Republican base would have still voted for him, or, worst case, not voted at all. But by selecting Palin he also managed to energize the dems base, by virtue of her being such a divisive person, while at the same time driving away many of his own supporters and swing voters. I just don't see how she has helped him.

It was the easiest way for him to invade Alaska for it's oil reserves.

HolmeZz
10-18-2008, 01:57 PM
If McCain loses this election, or even if he wins and serves just one term, what are the odds she runs in 2012? Any predictions on whether she has the success of Dan Quayle or George HW Bush?

I don't think she has much of a future. She had a gimmick that managed to get stale quickly. And the fact that McCain has used her in a manner that has driven up her negatives, I don't know what she'll do to fix that.

jAZ
10-18-2008, 02:21 PM
Politics needs a complete makeover. I am so tired of both sides talking about the other side. Start focusing on what you will do as Pres not what the other will do. Obama has started to go in that direction. I hope McCain follows suit.

Ummm... Peggy Noonan was a member of Ronald Reagan's staff. She's talking about her own side.

Logical
10-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Ummm... Peggy Noonan was a member of Ronald Reagan's staff. She's talking about her own side.Yup she is a true conservative journalist, not a wanna be like Sean Hannity.