Damning 2002 Ayers tape: "I am a marxist"

[KCJohnny]

Look folks. Ayers matters because of Obama's marxist roots (Franklin Marshall Davis, Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, etc...) and policy propositions ("spread the wealth around"). As late as 2002, Obama is still sharing the floor with this subversive miscreant.

There's

a

pattern

here.

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[Mecca]

Still haven't figured out that no one gives a shit huh?

It is literally one of the things voters care the very least about.

[NewPhin]

ROFL

Do you know how many college professors I've had in the past who proudly proclaimed that they were Marxists? It's a very common theoretical framework from which to publish. The truth, though, is that when a professor says he is a marxist, it has very little translation into the real world. It's a theoretical framework, not a way they live their lives. Most of the "marxist" professors I've had weren't exactly in touch with the proletariat in their daily lives.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Ayers? [chewing gum] "Never heard of him" / Donald Southerland... Dirty Dozen.

[Taco John]

Hmmm... Wow. Another Ayers thread.

One less Republican talking about school vouchers... privitized security... less government. You know, issues that people care about.

Ok, ok... What is it about Ayers *this* time that you think people will care about that they didn't care about *last* time?

[KCJohnny]

ROFL

Do you know how many college professors I've had in the past who proudly proclaimed that they were Marxists? It's a very common theoretical framework from which to publish. The truth, though, is that when a professor says he is a marxist, it has very little translation into the real world. It's a theoretical framework, not a way they live their lives. Most of the "marxist" professors I've had weren't exactly in touch with the proletariat in their daily lives.

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

[Mr. Kotter]

ROFL

Do you know how many college professors I've had in the past who proudly proclaimed that they were Marxists? It's a very common theoretical framework from which to publish. The truth, though, is that when a professor says he is a marxist, it has very little translation into the real world. It's a theoretical framework, not a way they live their lives. Most of the "marxist" professors I've had weren't exactly in touch with the proletariat in their daily lives.

And it's one of the reasons faculty members of many colleges are not held in very high esteem by moderate and mainstream Americans.

[NewPhin]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

Exactly, moron. That's why no one gives a shit what egghead Bill Ayers says in his ivory tower. You have the argumentation powers of a freaking troglodyte.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

You have seriously lost your mind.

[BucEyedPea]

And it's one of the reasons faculty members of many colleges are not held in very high esteem by moderate and mainstream Americans.

Yup! Funny how they dominate in education too. Where they can convert others who also vote. Theoretical my arse.

[NewPhin]

Yup! Funny how they dominate in education too. Where they can convert others who also vote. Theoretical my arse.

Very, very, very few people bought into the marxist doctrine of our professors. I was one of the few, and my hardline marxist phase lasted until I was out of grad. school for about 6 months, at which point the real world forced a serious reevaluation of my theories.

[KCJohnny]

You have seriously lost your mind.

I'm sorry! You must be right. Americans didn't care about the swift boat vets that denounced John Kerry in 2004 and and they don't care about the man who is deeply associated with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

Americans do care, even if we are a slight minority. Obama is not fit to be president. Please tell us all what his patriotic credentials are.

Maybe the Chicago Anneberg Challenge (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=&w=MA==)founded by Bill Ayers, his lone executive experience? Yes, let's hire a man for president who supports genocide of the black community (http://www.blackgenocide.org/)and radical marxist indoctrination of high school students with tax payer and philanthropist dollars.

[Sully]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

ROFL

ROFL


Funny

[KC Fish]

Johnny has convinced me not to vote for Ayers to be president. If I see his name on the ballot, no way am I checking that box...

[Mr. Kotter]

Yup! Funny how they dominate in education too. Where they can convert others who also vote. Theoretical my arse.

Fortunately, in public schools though...in most places, they do have to exercise some restraint. They can't be the ideological brow-beating zealots that some, in colleges and universities, are able to get away with.

[BucEyedPea]

Very, very, very few people bought into the marxist doctrine of our professors. I was one of the few, and my hardline marxist phase lasted until I was out of grad. school for about 6 months, at which point the real world forced a serious reevaluation of my theories.

Well done!
I don't know how many that would apply to though. And it doesn't mean it's all dropped but still an influence to whatever degree per person. There's still quite a few Marxists in the D party and more than a few in education, including lower education. In fact the curriculum's have some Marxist ideas in them.

[BucEyedPea]

Fortunately, in public schools though...in most places, they do have to exercise some restraint. They can't be the ideological brow-beating zealots that some, in colleges and universities, are able to get away with.

I'd say, from sitting in K to HS's that it's more subtle. Like moving on based on social promotion, grade inflation etc. I see it in some of the things in my kid's history books, including cultural Marxism.

[Infidel Goat]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

ad· homi·nem (ad häm′ə nem′)
adjective
- appealing to prejudice and emotion rather than to reason
attacking the character, motives, etc. of an opponent rather than debating the issue on logical grounds

Well played... ROFL

[Mr. Kotter]

Very, very, very few people bought into the marxist doctrine of our professors. I was one of the few, and my hardline marxist phase lasted until I was out of grad. school for about 6 months, at which point the real world forced a serious reevaluation of my theories.

The very fact that universities and colleges allow this sort of indoctrination, though, is very disturbing to many/most Americans who understand the extent of these practices. It's an absolute outrage, IMHO that either side, liberal or conservative (radical or reactionary), is permitted to do this....in the name of "academic freedom."

[Mr. Kotter]

I'd say, from sitting in K to HS's that it's more subtle. Like moving on based on social promotion, grade inflation etc. I see it in some of the things in my kid's history books.

It's definitely more subtle; but vocal and vigilant parents and community members can put a stop to the more egregious practices and incidents....if they simply speak out as they should.

[BucEyedPea]

The very fact that universities and colleges allow this sort of indoctrination, though, is very disturbing to many most Americans who understand the extent of these practices. It's an absolute outrage, IMHO that either side, liberal or conservative (radical or reactionary), is permitted to do this....in the name of "academic freedom."

It's dominant. I actually don't mind some professors being Marxist and having their ideas presented to what are supposed to be adults. So long as there are other views presented. Sometimes understanding something is better when there is something to compare against.

[RJ]

So much to be fearful of and so little time.

[Mr. Kotter]

It's dominant. I actually don't mind some professors being Marxist and having their ideas presented to what are supposed to be adults. So long as there are other views presented. Sometimes understanding something is better when there is something to compare against.

And, therein, lies the rub; "other" views are, often, not permitted. It amazes me that so many of these advocates of "tolerance"--are usually among the most intolerant people I've ever met, when it comes to political disagreement.

[BucEyedPea]

It's definitely more subtle; but vocal and vigilant parents and community members can put a stop to the more egregious practices and incidents....if they simply speak out as they should.

Too bad so many of them are too busy chasing the buck, unfortunately.
I've pulled a few syllabuses myself eventhough my kid doesn't attend a public school. Then I write letters to the editors of local press. So far each one has been printed...the whole thing...once two columns. But the same books are often used in private schools too. So we run into some still. I correct my kid who has a history teacher who is very big on the UN as one example. Glad I sent her to patriot camp one summer to see the differences. So far she rejects some of her teacher's views. Whew! Gotta really be on top of it.

[KC Fish]

The very fact that universities and colleges allow this sort of indoctrination, though, is very disturbing to many most Americans who understand the extent of these practices. It's an absolute outrage, IMHO that either side, liberal or conservative (radical or reactionary), is permitted to do this....in the name of "academic freedom."

Are you suggesting that we should only learn from those people that share our political and ideological views? Why can't we be educated by someone with different views than our own?

[KCJohnny]

Well played... ROFL

Are you homosexual?

[dirk digler]

I was laughing my ass off last night when I saw O'Reilly playing this "damning" tape.

My first initial thought was "is this the best they got?"

All the righties are getting desperate because they are about to get their ass kicked by a black man.

[BucEyedPea]

And, therein, lies the rub; "other" views are, often, not permitted. It amazes me that so many of these advocates of "tolerance"--are usually among the most intolerant people I've ever met, when it comes to political disagreement.

I agree.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I'm sorry! You must be right. Americans didn't care about the swift boat vets that denounced John Kerry in 2004 and and they don't care about the man who is deeply associated with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

Americans do care, even if we are a slight minority. Obama is not fit to be president. Please tell us all what his patriotic credentials are.

Maybe the Chicago Anneberg Challenge (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=&w=MA==)founded by Bill Ayers, his lone executive experience? Yes, let's hire a man for president who supports genocide of the black community (http://www.blackgenocide.org/)and radical marxist indoctrination of high school students with tax payer and philanthropist dollars.

I don't feel the resonation here in middle America. Perhaps if you started your hair on fire...

[WilliamTheIrish]

Are you homosexual?

It's against board policy to ask for dates from other members, John. Plus, that will not resonate well in middle America.

[BucEyedPea]

I was laughing my ass off last night when I saw O'Reilly playing this "damning" tape.

My first initial thought was "is this the best they got?"

All the righties are getting desperate because they are about to get their ass kicked by a black man.

I got no problem with that. I'm just not going to accept it with my eyes closed that Obama is a man of the left. O' Reilly, though, is sort of a Democrat himself. Just not a liberal one.

[KCJohnny]

I was laughing my ass off last night when I saw O'Reilly playing this "damning" tape.

My first initial thought was "is this the best they got?"

All the righties are getting desperate because they are about to get their ass kicked by a black man.

:lame:

Race card.

[KCJohnny]

It's against board policy to ask for dates from other members, John. Plus, that will not resonate well in middle America.

You're just hoping to get to him first, Billy.

[Sully]

:lame:

Race card.

ROFL

You just played the "gay" card...so what exact problem do you have with someone playing the race card?

[KCJohnny]

ROFL

You just played the "gay" card...so what exact problem do you have with someone playing the race card?
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Race = inherent value.

Homosexuality = perverse choice.

I love it when libs try to conflate race with perversity.

[dirk digler]

I got no problem with that. I'm just not going to accept it with my eyes closed that Obama is a man of the left. O' Reilly, though, is sort of a Democrat himself. Just not a liberal one.

LMAO

Do you watch O'Reilly? The last 3 weeks he has been in the tank for McCain.

Running this stupid story is just further proof of it.

[dirk digler]

:lame:

Race card.

God you're dumb.

Saying that Obama is a black man is not playing the race card you tard.

[Sully]

\
Race = inherent value.

Homosexuality = perverse choice.

I love it when libs try to conflate race with perversity.

Perversity, in your opinion.

However, it still has nothing to do with the argument at hand...meaning that it was an ad hominem attack, which you seem to be so against.

I love it when fear-peddlers try to work every insult the can into their non-sequitorius bashing.

[Dave Lane]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

Well no one seems to care about yours. ROFL

[StcChief]

And it's one of the reasons faculty members of many colleges are not held in very high esteem by moderate and mainstream Americans. as it trickles down the system. NEA, Dept.ED. should be disbanded.

[Chief Henry]

How does someone like a Bill Ayres rise to the level of such prominence in Chicago ?

How does does someone with his back ground become so powerful ? Who allows that to happen. He and his group made bombs and detonated them in NYC and Washington DC? They even killed a few people.

How did a Bill Ayres become so powerful in Chicago ? Whats his story ? I know his father was a CEO of Commonwealth Edison utilities. Why would any college want some one like him as a teacher ? You would think the college would be flat out embarrassed about having such a person on the faculty team.

[BucEyedPea]

LMAO

Do you watch O'Reilly? The last 3 weeks he has been in the tank for McCain.

Running this stupid story is just further proof of it.

That has nothing to do with what I said, especially since McCain is a essentially Democrat. O'R been pretty fair to Obama in other respects.

[WilliamTheIrish]

You're just hoping to get to him first, Billy.

Good cover, KCJoaney.

You should feel better now that you've outed yourself. God will understand your internal struggle. And he'll still love you. But not in that perverse way that permeates your mind.

[Mr. Kotter]

Are you suggesting that we should only learn from those people that share our political and ideological views? Why can't we be educated by someone with different views than our own?

There is nothing inherently wrong with them having different views; that's fine. But presenting views in a biased and one-sided way while teaching, is unacceptable IMHO. Colleges and universities have in many cases become soap boxes for the liberal elite in this country.

I'm saying they should make a much, much more valiant effort to present a more balanced view of many subjects, rather than shoving their own ideology and agenda down the throats of impressionable young kids.

[Taco John]

\
Race = inherent value.

Homosexuality = perverse choice.

I love it when libs try to conflate race with perversity.


There's no credible evidence that sexuality is a choice...

[Mr. Kotter]

How does someone like a Bill Ayres rise to the level of such prominence in Chicago ?

How does does someone with his back ground become so powerful ? Who allows that to happen. He and his group made bombs and detonated them in NYC and Washington DC? They even killed a few people.

How did a Bill Ayres become so powerful in Chicago ? Whats his story ? I know his father was a CEO of Commonwealth Edison utilities. Why would any college want some one like him as a teacher ? You would think the college would be flat out embarrassed about having such a person on the faculty team.


Universities are dominated by a liberal elite.

Liberal elites are sympathetic to radicals.

Ayers was/is a radical.

Hence, Ayers is just the type for many universities.

[Mr. Kotter]

How does someone like a Bill Ayres rise to the level of such prominence in Chicago ?

How does does someone with his back ground become so powerful ? Who allows that to happen. He and his group made bombs and detonated them in NYC and Washington DC? They even killed a few people.

How did a Bill Ayres become so powerful in Chicago ? Whats his story ? I know his father was a CEO of Commonwealth Edison utilities. Why would any college want some one like him as a teacher ? You would think the college would be flat out embarrassed about having such a person on the faculty team.


Universities are dominated by a liberal elite.

Liberal elites are sympathetic to radicals.

Ayers was/is a radical.

Hence, Ayers is just the type for many universities.

FWIW though....this has little or nothing to do with Obama. That's what the rightwing extremists are failing to see.

[Jenson71]

That's it. I'm so not voting for Bill Ayers this year.

[KC Fish]

There is nothing inherently wrong with them having different views; that's fine. But presenting views in a biased and one-sided way while teaching, is unacceptable IMHO. Colleges and universities have in many cases become soap boxes for the liberal elite in this country.

I'm saying they should make a much, much more valiant effort to present a more balanced view of many subjects, rather than shoving their own ideology and agenda down the throats of impressionable young kids.

I don't know if I could agree with that. If I were to take a course on marxism, I would never expect the college to require me to learn an equal amount about Facism in that course. If I'm paying to be educated, I want to choose what I'm educated on, and not have the government require what it thinks is equal education on opposing views.

I could see your point if I signed up for a course about the history of Functionalism, and the Marxist professor refused to teach the course topic and reverted to his preferred social view. But I've never seen or heard of that happening.

[HolmeZz]

I'm sorry! You must be right. Americans didn't care about the swift boat vets that denounced John Kerry in 2004 and and they don't care about the man who is deeply associated with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

Americans do care, even if we are a slight minority

Polls have shown that the amount of people who care about Ayers is under 30%. You know what percentage of this country is Republican? Just under 30%.

Nobody. Cares.

[splatbass]

ROFL

You just played the "gay" card...so what exact problem do you have with someone playing the race card?

Pointing out Johnny's hypocrisy does no good, he thinks God gives him a pass.

[VAChief]

That's it. I'm so not voting for Bill Ayers this year.

Exactly...or G. Gordon Liddy.

Because if Ayers matters to you, then Liddy should matter as much or more.

[Sully]

I'm actually writing in "Joe sixpack."

If that doesn't get me some free beer, I don't know what will.

[Mr. Kotter]

I don't know if I could agree with that. If I were to take a course on marxism, I would never expect the college to require me to learn an equal amount about Facism in that course. If I'm paying to be educated, I want to choose what I'm educated on, and not have the government require what it thinks is equal education on opposing views.

I could see your point if I signed up for a course about the history of Functionalism, and the Marxist professor refused to teach the course topic and reverted to his preferred social view. But I've never seen or heard of that happening.

There are countless examples of professors teaching a topic like history, government, psychology, or others (especially the "liberal arts")....that allow their own ideological orientations to drive the course, and are less than tolerant of opposing views.

Most others I talk to, even liberal colleagues and friends, agree with me in their candid moments. Of course, it's not all colleges and professors, and there are examples on the conservative side as well....but it's overwhelmingly a liberal bias, nationwide.

[Chiefnj2]

Jesus forgives Ayers, why can't you?

[Bowser]

Look folks. Ayers matters because of Obama's marxist roots (Franklin Marshall Davis, Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, etc...) and policy propositions ("spread the wealth around"). As late as 2002, Obama is still sharing the floor with this subversive miscreant.

There's

a

pattern

here.

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[irishjayhawk]

Kotter and BEP in a circle jerk so intense that Kotter's Mr. Middleman mask came off.

[Mecca]

Kotter and BEP in a circle jerk so intense that Kotter's Mr. Middleman mask came off.

Reading it make me crack up......OMGz the liberal elites are teaching our kids the wrong ways!

[BucEyedPea]

LMAO

Do you watch O'Reilly? The last 3 weeks he has been in the tank for McCain.

Running this stupid story is just further proof of it.

On occasion. He's too cantankerous and rude for me. He may be in the tank for McCain but he's still been pretty honorable...especially next to Shammity. It may just be that it's his honest opinion on the socialist point regardless of his favoring McCain. Mac isn't a conservative either. Of course he was belligerent when he asked Obama about the WoT.

[BucEyedPea]

Reading it make me crack up......OMGz the liberal elites are teaching our kids the wrong ways!

You're backing Irish, the biggest accuser of adhominem engaging in adhominem?

Isn't it time for you to stick your penis in some girl's chocolate factory? :evil:

[Calcountry]

Johnny has convinced me not to vote for Ayers to be president. If I see his name on the ballot, no way am I checking that box...Wow, this is a profound logical construct. You have convinced me, George W Bush is NOT on the ballot, and therefore, there is NO WAY I am checking THAT box.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Wow, this is a profound logical construct. You have convinced me, George W Bush is NOT on the ballot, and therefore, there is NO WAY I am checking THAT box.

Ringleader has convinced me that Odinga is not the man to vote for.

[Calcountry]

I'd say, from sitting in K to HS's that it's more subtle. Like moving on based on social promotion, grade inflation etc. I see it in some of the things in my kid's history books, including cultural Marxism.Do you go to the school board meetings? PTA meetings?

[Bowser]

Wow, this is a profound logical construct. You have convinced me, George W Bush is NOT on the ballot, and therefore, there is NO WAY I am checking THAT box.

Eight and four years too late, respectively.

[Mecca]

You're backing Irish, the biggest accuser of adhominem engaging in adhominem?

Isn't it time for you to stick your penis in some girl's chocolate factory? :evil:

Is that some kind of offer?

[irishjayhawk]

You're backing Irish, the biggest accuser of adhominem engaging in adhominem?

Isn't it time for you to stick your penis in some girl's chocolate factory? :evil:

You still have yet to correctly define an ad hominem or point one out.

[Calcountry]

I was laughing my ass off last night when I saw O'Reilly playing this "damning" tape.

My first initial thought was "is this the best they got?"

All the righties are getting desperate because they are about to get their ass kicked by a black man.LMAO

[BucEyedPea]

You still have yet to correctly define an ad hominem or point one out.

It just went over your head when I did.

[BucEyedPea]

Is that some kind of offer?

Nope. You're too young for the things I do. :evil: Wouldn't wanna corrupt you—that much.

[Calcountry]

LMAO

Do you watch O'Reilly? The last 3 weeks he has been in the tank for McCain.

Running this stupid story is just further proof of it.Do you watch Olberman? The last, 1844 days since mission accomplished, he has been in the tank for Obama.

Not to mention shiver me tembers, former stoogie for Tip O'niel.

Somehow I don't see Matthews playing much hardball, he would be whining like a little pussy if he ever got hit by one.

[Calcountry]

God you're dumb.

Saying that Obama is a black man is not playing the race card you tard.Then why was it relevent to point out that Obama was "black" in your post?

You said it?

[Mecca]

Nope. You're too young for the things I do. :evil: Wouldn't wanna corrupt you—that much.

Uh huh sure...

[BucEyedPea]

Uh hmmm...you betcha! Now go find yourself a Snickers bar.

[Calcountry]

Uh hmmm...you betcha! Now go find yourself a Snickers bar.LMAO

[bigfoot]

KC Johnny,

Obama and Ayres common ideology is what brought them together. The fact that they share like political views enabled them to have a working relationship. Obama distances himself from Ayres, once he begins to have national political intentions. Ayres who says that he is still a communist with a little 'c'. Ayres hosted Obama's political coming out party in his home. Ayres chooses Obama to help steer Annenburg Challenge funds to groups based on ideology rather than academics and failing to truly helping Chicago
students.

Most americans who aren't already bowing at the Democatic Pary alter find this relationship troubling.

[SportsRacer]

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, JOHNNY. LET IT DIE.

[Chief Henry]

NOBODY GIVES A ****, JOHNNY. LET IT DIE.

Your wrong Dude !

[Bowser]

Your wrong Dude !

His wrong dude what?

[VAChief]

His wrong dude what?

ROFL

[Taco John]

His wrong dude what?

His wrong dude gives a shit.

You're welcome. :)

[triple]

i don't see why it's news that his associates are marxists.

[Bowser]

His wrong dude gives a shit.

You're welcome. :)

Thank you. That was making my head hurt.


:D

[Velvet_Jones]

Do you watch Olberman? The last, 1844 days since mission accomplished, he has been in the tank for Obama.

Not to mention shiver me tembers, former stoogie for Tip O'niel.

Somehow I don't see Matthews playing much hardball, he would be whining like a little pussy if he ever got hit by one.

Mathews gets a break because he has something wrong with his leg. Some shiver thing I heard him mention once.

[Taco John]

McCain fell through the floor at InTrade. People are running for cover. I didn't think he'd fall below 15 prior to November, but he's already at 12% right now.

Desperation is setting into the McCain camp. Nothing left to do but turn up the volume on the smears and hope to depress the Democrat vote (yeah right) while turning out their own base, and hope to at least keep it close to save face.

McCain's polical career is circling the bowl...

[triple]

McCain fell through the floor at InTrade. People are running for cover. I didn't think he'd fall below 15 prior to November, but he's already at 12% right now.

Desperation is setting into the McCain camp. Nothing left to do but turn up the volume on the smears and hope to depress the Democrat vote (yeah right) while turning out their own base, and hope to at least keep it close to save face.

McCain's polical career is circling the bowl...

Funny but I keep seeing polls showing the race within the margin of error.

I don't know what InTrade is, is it some sort of gambling website?

[KCJohnny]

Funny but I keep seeing polls showing the race within the margin of error.

I don't know what InTrade is, is it some sort of gambling website?

Let's be honest. We have had 8 years of GOP presidential leadership. The economy is very unstable. We are at war in 2 countries and have been since 2003. And yet McCain is within the margin of error.

Any generic democrat governor would be up by 20 points by now. This shows that Obama's support is shallow and vulnerable down the stretch.

His associations with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and others demonstrates a pattern of collaborating with antiAmerican people, and packaging their marxism as 'change you can believe in'.

[RJ]

Let's be honest. We have had 8 years of GOP presidential leadership. The economy is very unstable. We are at war in 2 countries and have been since 2003. And yet McCain is within the margin of error.

Any generic democrat governor would be up by 20 points by now. This shows that Obama's support is shallow and vulnerable down the stretch.

His associations with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and others demonstrates a pattern of collaborating with antiAmerican people, and packaging their marxism as 'change you can believe in'.



What it shows, KCJ, is that about 40% of this country is going to vote for whichever candidate has the R next to their name regardless of the candidate's qualifications. Same as another 40% will vote for the D.

Twenty points my ass.

[Chief Henry]

His wrong dude what?

What are you attempting to say here ?

[Friendo]

McCain fell through the floor at InTrade. People are running for cover. I didn't think he'd fall below 15 prior to November, but he's already at 12% right now.

Desperation is setting into the McCain camp. Nothing left to do but turn up the volume on the smears and hope to depress the Democrat vote (yeah right) while turning out their own base, and hope to at least keep it close to save face.

McCain's polical career is circling the bowl...

Chuck Todd just had an interesting take--said he spent the day with the McCain campaign & it was obvious they knew they were going to lose, and looked tired and harried. Said there was no seeming connection between Mac & Palin and they seemed uncomfortable around each other.

[irishjayhawk]

It just went over your head when I did.

Point in case.

[Mecca]

Chuck Todd just had an interesting take--said he spent the day with the McCain campaign & it was obvious they knew they were going to lose, and looked tired and harried. Said there was no seeming connection between Mac & Palin and they seemed uncomfortable around each other.


They were just mesmerized by his magical goatee.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Are you homosexual?

You trying to get a date soldier?

[Taco John]

Funny but I keep seeing polls showing the race within the margin of error.


Not any credible ones. This thing is going to be a landslide.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Let's be honest. We have had 8 years of GOP presidential leadership. The economy is very unstable. We are at war in 2 countries and have been since 2003. And yet McCain is within the margin of error.

Any generic democrat governor would be up by 20 points by now. This shows that Obama's support is shallow and vulnerable down the stretch.

His associations with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and others demonstrates a pattern of collaborating with antiAmerican people, and packaging their marxism as 'change you can believe in'.

Although this has been pointed out to you several times, there has been one presidential race in the last 60 years where one candidate has had a lead of 20 points.

You're argument is not resonating in middle America.

[Taco John]

Let's be honest. We have had 8 years of GOP presidential leadership. The economy is very unstable. We are at war in 2 countries and have been since 2003. And yet McCain is within the margin of error.

Any generic democrat governor would be up by 20 points by now. This shows that Obama's support is shallow and vulnerable down the stretch.

His associations with Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and others demonstrates a pattern of collaborating with antiAmerican people, and packaging their marxism as 'change you can believe in'.


Let's be honest. McCain is nowhere near the margin of error except in fringe polls.

[HolmeZz]

Obama's support is 52% enthusiastic.

McCain's is 26%.

Shallow and vulnerable indeed.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

It's hard to believe any of the polls. I thought Obama was supposed to be up big in Pennsylvania?

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/22/pa-governor-nervous-sees-mccain-surge/

PA Governor 'Nervous,' Sees McCain Surge

By Mark Impomeni
Oct 22nd 2008 11:00AM
Filed Under:eDemocrats, Barack Obama, John McCain, Featured Stories, Polls

Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell has written two separate memos to the Obama campaign in recent days begging for Sen. Obama to come back and campaign in his state. In the memos, Rendell, a former Hillary Clinton supporter, admits to being "a little nervous" about Obama's chances in the Keystone state. Rendell says that the McCain camp is making a strong push for Pennsylvania, with Sen. McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin spending significant time and resources there recently.

Rendell wants Sen. Obama to return to his state and make three appearances to blunt McCain's momentum. He recommends a visit to what Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) labeled "racist" Western Pennsylvania, followed by an appearance in the capital of Harrisburg and a "large rally" in Philadelphia. But Obama's presence alone will not seal the deal, according to Rendell. So he wants the Obama campaign to bring Sen. Clinton and former president Clinton along with him, presumably to smooth things over with Pennsylvania's small townspeople, whom Obama once derided as "bitter" gun-loving religious zealots.

The Obama campaign has been nervous about Pennsylvania since Clinton trounced Obama by 10 points in the primary there. The selection of Joe Biden as his running mate was as much about Biden's Scranton roots as it was about his foreign policy experience. And the campaign has good reason to worry. Obama's own internal polling shows him with only a two-point lead in the state. It's probably closer than that given that internal polls are notoriously skewed toward the campaign conducing them. If Obama follows Rendell's advice and makes an emergency swing through Pennsylvania, it will be more telling of Sen. McCain's chances in the election than any public poll result.

[Mecca]

AOL LOL, they had a poll that had McCain winning California...

[HolmeZz]

For Obama to be up only two points in Pennsylvania, McCain would need to be winning about 30%+ of Democrats. Not happenin'.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

AOL LOL, they had a poll that had McCain winning California...


Do you read just what you want to read? The article claims this is from Obama's OWN internal polling.

[irishjayhawk]

Do you read just what you want to read? The article claims this is from Obama's OWN internal polling.

If I were a candidate, I'd want my internal polling to be conservative.

[HolmeZz]

Do you read just what you want to read? The article claims this is from Obama's OWN internal polling.

Candidates don't leak their own internal polling if the numbers aren't good. Doesn't happen.

Rendell has stated he thinks it's about a 7-8 point lead, but that he wants Obama to return just to make sure he closes it out, with McCain spending the rest of the campaign there basically.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Candidates don't leak their own internal polling if the numbers aren't good. Doesn't happen.

Oh, but they accidently did. Daily Kos already put out a memo to try to spin this.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/15/05041/703/752/630799

Rumor: Obama's internals in PA apparently leaked
by Oujdi
Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 09:50:41 PM PDT
Apparently, Obama's internals were leaked to a radio talk show host in Scranton. they show Obama up by only 2 in PA.

Oujdi's diary :: ::
Steve Corbett, a radio talk show host in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, accidentally received a copy of an internal email sent by Grant Olin who heads the Wilkes-Barre headquarters of the Obama campaign. The email went to 627 Obama campaign volunteers in the Wilkes-Barre Scranton region, saying that Obama Headquarters reported an internal poll which shows that Obama is only 2 points up in Pennsylvania.

Sean Smith, who is heading Obama’s Pennsylvania campaign, was interviewed by Steve Corbett via phone at 5:35 today to discuss this. He said that Grant "went rogue", and aknowledged that Grant was "reprimanded" for this.

Here is the audio.

This has caught on like wildfire in the right wing blogs and seems to have raised their spirits.

This is important because, if it is true, it undermines the argument that we have a substantial partyId advantage this year.

A partyId of at least +6 this year seems reasonable, as many pollsters are showing. Many rightwingers are arguing that the breakdown should be a push, like 2004, which is ridiculous. However the rumor of +2 in PA reinforces their argument. And that's the last hope they have left.

We need to get on this story as soon as possible before it spreads any further. I don't want them to have any hope left, Let's crush their spirits!

[HolmeZz]

It's not viable. McCain would have to be winning 30%+ of Democrats to get it close to tied.

Furthermore, Obama and his campaign would already be spending most of his time there if they felt the state was in that much risk, particularly given the efforts McCain is currently making.

It doesn't hold up to reality.

[Mecca]

I think it holds up to the reality of people who still think McCain is close at this time.

[BucEyedPea]

I think it holds up to the reality of people who still think McCain is close at this time.

You just want a chocolate president to remind you of butt holes!STFU

[The_Grand_Illusion]

I think it holds up to the reality of people who still think McCain is close at this time.

I get my info from many different sources, right and left. I've learned to question what both sides put out there, not just concentrate on one side. There are some polls out there that are tightening. I don't believe it's over by a longshot.

[BucEyedPea]

I don't believe it's over by a longshot.

I don't think so either. And I'm not voting for either of them.

[Mecca]

That tightening is just Sarah Palins clothes budget.

[BucEyedPea]

That tightening is just Sarah Palins butt to me.

.:shake:

[HolmeZz]

I get my info from many different sources, right and left. I've learned to question what both sides put out there, not just concentrate on one side. There are some polls out there that are tightening. I don't believe it's over by a longshot.

Ohio and Florida are the only states that have displayed any real tightening.

Pennsylvania hasn't done anything remotely close to tighten and the national polls have expanded fairly significantly the last 2-3 days in Obama's favor.

[Mecca]

We are all aware that Obama has led every poll in Pennsylvania since April right?

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Gee people, this sounds like it came directly from the Obama camp by mistake. Of course, you may not believe it because it could be what the Obama camp, the MSM, the left is telling you one thing and in reality something else is happening.

Naaah!

[HolmeZz]

Gee people, this sounds like it came directly from the Obama camp by mistake. Of course, you may not believe it because it could be what the Obama camp, the MSM, the left is telling you one thing and in reality something else is happening.

Naaah!

What are you accusing of being in the Obama camp now? All the polls that show him ahead by double digits?

Or the mere fact that it's basically impossible for McCain to be this close or win Pennsylvania without having around 30% of the Democratic vote?

Neither of those are 'opinions'. They're facts. They're reality.

[Ultra Peanut]

Bill Ayers is a Marxist!

THIS. IS. HYUUUUUUGE!

[Ultra Peanut]

There are some polls out there that are tightening. Name them.

Also, "tightening" does not mean going from +6 to +5. That's statistical noise.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Do you folks around here only get your news from one side? Well, according to the Obama Camp, he only leads by 2 in PA and in Ohio and Florida they are tightening.

Oh and since you asked:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309546869309178

IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten
Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008


Contrary to other polls, some of which show Obama ahead by double digits, the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He's also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he's gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead. Obama padded gains in urban areas and with lower-class households, but he slipped 4 points with parents.

View Results From Prior Days

About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at www.TIPPonline.com.

[Ultra Peanut]

A week ago, IDB/TIPP had Obama +3.3. So, uh, how is 3.7 a sign of a "tightening" race? They're putting a wacky spin on a poll which, with better weighting, would probably be showing a much stronger lead for Obama in the first place.

Also, lol.10/23/2008 Editorials
Biden's Warning
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 10/22/2008 4:20 PM PT

Constitutional Crisis
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 10/22/2008 4:20 PM PT

Obama's Red Shirts
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 10/22/2008 4:20 PM PT

Small Business Not Safe From Obama Tax
By RALPH R. REILAND
Posted 10/22/2008 4:20 PM PT

Both Candidates Would Accelerate Trend Toward Vanishing Taxpayer
By STEVEN MALANGA
Posted 10/22/2008 4:30 PM PT

On The Left

Socialism Talk Gives The Race An Ugly Tinge
By RUTH MARCUS
Posted 10/22/2008 4:30 PM PT

On The Right

Biden Remark Buried Under Powell Puffery
By L. BRENT BOZELL
Posted 10/22/2008 4:30 PM PTI notice that you people have stopped pimping Zogby and the outdated Gallup LV lately. I wonder why.

[HolmeZz]

Why isn't Obama spending much time in Pennsylvania if it's just a 2 point race? Why is he letting McCain run the state for 2 weeks?

[HolmeZz]

Investors Business Daily. LMAO

[The_Grand_Illusion]

A week ago, IDB/TIPP had Obama +3.3. So, uh, how is 3.7 a sign of a "tightening" race? They're putting a wacky spin on a poll which, with better weighting, would probably be showing a much stronger lead for Obama in the first place.

Also, lol.I notice that you people have stopped pimping Zogby and the outdated Gallup LV lately. I wonder why.


Yeah, and Obama had built a 7 point lead over the weekend. Honestly, I don't put too much faith in any of the polls like some of you do here.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Why isn't Obama spending much time in Pennsylvania if it's just a 2 point race? Why is he letting McCain run the state for 2 weeks?


Did you read the article? This is why the Governor of Pennsylvania asked the Obama camp to come back.

[Adept Havelock]

Also, lol.I notice that you people have stopped pimping Zogby and the outdated Gallup LV lately. I wonder why.

Same reason we haven't seen much of old whatshisname, I suppose.

[HolmeZz]

Did you read the article? This is why the Governor of Pennsylvania asked the Obama camp to come back.

Rendell was on Hardball and said he believes the race is really about 7 points and that he wants Obama to come back and make sure he wraps this state up because he thinks it's over if Obama wins PA and that the other states are just luxuries. He doesn't like McCain controlling his state for the last 2 weeks.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Rendell was on Hardball and said he believes the race is really about 7 points and that he wants Obama to come back and make sure he wraps this state up because he thinks it's over if Obama wins PA and that the other states are just luxuries. He doesn't like McCain controlling his state for the last 2 weeks.

Imagine that; Spin control.

[Laz]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

um .... why did you jump to the conclusion that his college professors were homosexual?


:eek:

you have lost your freakin' mind

[HolmeZz]

Imagine that; Spin control.

Are you retarded? Spin from who? Rendell was the one cautioning Obama. :spock:

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Are you retarded? Spin from who? Rendell was the one cautioning Obama. :spock:


:shake:

[Chiefnj2]

um .... why did you jump to the conclusion that his college professors were homosexual?


:eek:

you have lost your freakin' mind

KCJ= Colonel Frank Fitts

[Dr. Van Halen]

You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors.

When did the Republican Party become filled with people like this guy? When I was a young man, the party was for smart, successful people. College was a good place to go, and you showed respect to your professors (regardless if those in the Arts were wacky).

Now the Republican Party seems to be a place for religious weirdos and stupid people. Every day I hear Rush and Rushclones bad mouth higher education, making "professor" a dirty word.

I, along with many of my moderate friends, feel more and more out of place in this party with each election.

[Laz]

When did the Republican Party become filled with people like this guy? When I was a young man, the party was for smart, successful people. College was a good place to go, and you showed respect to your professors (regardless if those in the Arts were wacky).

Now the Republican Party seems to be a place for religious weirdos and stupid people. Every day I hear Rush and Rushclones bad mouth higher education, making "professor" a dirty word.

I, along with many of my moderate friends, feel more and more out of place in this party with each election.
nice post :clap:

[HolmeZz]

You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors.

LMAO You're like a parody.

[Friendo]

When did the Republican Party become filled with people like this guy? When I was a young man, the party was for smart, successful people. College was a good place to go, and you showed respect to your professors (regardless if those in the Arts were wacky).

Now the Republican Party seems to be a place for religious weirdos and stupid people. Every day I hear Rush and Rushclones bad mouth higher education, making "professor" a dirty word.

I, along with many of my moderate friends, feel more and more out of place in this party with each election.

well, if you want it back it looks like you're in for a fight.

[KCJohnny]

Universities are dominated by a liberal elite.

Liberal elites are sympathetic to radicals.

Ayers was/is a radical.

Hence, Ayers is just the type for many universities.

FWIW though....this has little or nothing to do with Obama. That's what the rightwing extremists are failing to see.

For some of us this has everything to do with Obama. This wasn't a one time bad judgment relationship, this is a lifelong pattern and fundamental to his "change we can believe in".

[RJ]

When did the Republican Party become filled with people like this guy? When I was a young man, the party was for smart, successful people. College was a good place to go, and you showed respect to your professors (regardless if those in the Arts were wacky).

Now the Republican Party seems to be a place for religious weirdos and stupid people. Every day I hear Rush and Rushclones bad mouth higher education, making "professor" a dirty word.

I, along with many of my moderate friends, feel more and more out of place in this party with each election.



:clap:

[KCJohnny]

When did the Republican Party become filled with people like this guy? When I was a young man, the party was for smart, successful people. College was a good place to go, and you showed respect to your professors (regardless if those in the Arts were wacky).

Now the Republican Party seems to be a place for religious weirdos and stupid people. Every day I hear Rush and Rushclones bad mouth higher education, making "professor" a dirty word.

I, along with many of my moderate friends, feel more and more out of place in this party with each election.

If you believe an unrepentant anarchist, marxist terrorist like William Ayers is a good example of advanced educational leadership, you may need to adjust your definition of 'moderate'. Ayers is not 'wacky'. He is dangerous.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

And it's one of the reasons faculty members of many colleges are not held in very high esteem by moderate and mainstream Americans.

And we're the elitists?

Fuck off.

[Adept Havelock]

well, if you want it back it looks like you're in for a fight.

The "paleo-cons" are going to be in a hell of a fight with the big government nanny-state (on their terms) "social" conservatives like the Hucksters, and the neocons.

I wish them well of it. I sincerely hope they prevail. :thumb:

[Friendo]

The "paleo-cons" are going to be in a hell of a fight with the big government nanny-state (on their terms) "social" conservatives like the Hucksters, and the neocons.

I wish them well of it. I hope they prevail. :thumb:

I do too, but I disagree with Ideologues of any stripe.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Thou fool. You place your confidence in out of touch liberal homosexual college professors. The real world you allude to cares about the opinions of Joe the Plumber (not to mention Joe the Soldier).

Let's try and tackle the prejudices one by one:

1) That liberal connotates homosexual--false
2) That the academy connotates homosexuality--false
3) That homosexuality is a deleterious state-false
4) That a plumber is more important than a college professor--false. Equal importance through differing means.

You really are a worthless sonofabitch. It's a fucking shame that your sorry ass has to disgrace the motherfucking uniform that so many others do such a great service to. I'm embarrassed to be from the same country as you, I'm embarrassed to be in the same fucking race, humanity, as you.

Die in a fire, and may all the bad things in life happen to you.

Fuck you,

Me.

[Adept Havelock]

I do too, but I disagree with Ideologues of any stripe.

Doesn't that make you an anti-ideological Ideologue?

I'm only prejudiced against prejudiced people.

:p

[Logical]

You just want a chocolate president to remind you of butt holes!STFUThis from a poster that has threatened to put me on iggy for giving you a hard time?:doh!:

[Friendo]

Doesn't that make you an anti-ideological Ideologue? :p

I'm only prejudiced against prejudiced people. :p

absolutely!!!! er, I mean..., kinda, sorta.:)

[RJ]

Doesn't that make you an anti-ideological Ideologue?

I'm only prejudiced against prejudiced people.

:p



I have no tolerance for the intolerant.

[Jenson71]

The very fact that universities and colleges allow this sort of indoctrination, though, is very disturbing to many/most Americans who understand the extent of these practices. It's an absolute outrage, IMHO that either side, liberal or conservative (radical or reactionary), is permitted to do this....in the name of "academic freedom."

Oh well. If very few buy into it, what's the harm? Certainly none. What is the good, then? Education is exposure to ideas and the challenges that come from those ideas. Since Marxism, or Social-anarchism is sort of the opposite of what our country is, it doesn't hurt to be exposed to it. (And I would argue that ideally, more totalitarian regimes should be promoted in the classroom in this way. Basically, we want all the ideas on the table.) In Marxist, totalitarian countries, you would probably want capitalist, democratic ideals expounded in the classroom. It's good to have the other side of the spectrum, even if it is something like Marxism.

Personally, I believe The Communist Manifesto or The Alienation of Labor should be read by every high school student in a history class by the time they have graduated.

[splatbass]

Let's be honest. We have had 8 years of GOP presidential leadership.

Wrong. We've had 8 years of a GOP president. There was no leadership involved.

[BucEyedPea]

This from a poster that has threatened to put me on iggy for giving you a hard time?:doh!:

Him and I are joking around TIC. I have nothing against Mecca. He knows what I'm referring to.
Stop being so serious and smile once in a while. ( I only saw your post because my log in fell out.)

[Adept Havelock]

I have no tolerance for the intolerant.

Heh. Nice.

[Logical]

If you believe an unrepentant anarchist, marxist terrorist like William Ayers is a good example of advanced educational leadership, you may need to adjust your definition of 'moderate'. Ayers is not 'wacky'. He is dangerous.

Ayers is dangerous, what is he going to do beat you over the head with a textbook?

[Dr. Van Halen]

If you believe an unrepentant anarchist, marxist terrorist like William Ayers is a good example of advanced educational leadership, you may need to adjust your definition of 'moderate'. Ayers is not 'wacky'. He is dangerous.

Really? An anarchist AND a Marxist? Well, that really is something...

I don't think you understood my post, which is fine.

[Logical]

Him and I are joking around TIC. I have nothing against Mecca. He knows what I'm referring to.
Stop being so serious and smile once in a while. ( I only saw your post because my log in fell out.)Sorry racist/gay humor often eludes me.

[BucEyedPea]

Did someone say something?

[Adept Havelock]

Oh well. If very few buy into it, what's the harm? Certainly none. What is the good, then? Education is exposure to ideas and the challenges that come from those ideas. Since Marxism, or Social-anarchism is sort of the opposite of what our country is, it doesn't hurt to be exposed to it. (And I would argue that ideally, more totalitarian regimes should be promoted in the classroom in this way. Basically, we want all the ideas on the table.) In Marxist, totalitarian countries, you would probably want capitalist, democratic ideals expounded in the classroom. It's good to have the other side of the spectrum, even if it is something like Marxism.

Personally, I believe The Communist Manifesto or The Alienation of Labor should be read by every high school student in a history class by the time they have graduated.

:clap: Well written wise words. Wep.

After all, I believe that's the foundation of the marketplace of ideas.

That said, Kotter raises a valid point with regards to some academics not participating in that marketplace.

[Programmer]

Let's try and tackle the prejudices one by one:

You really are a worthless sonofabitch. It's a ****ing shame that your sorry ass has to disgrace the mother****ing uniform that so many others do such a great service to. I'm embarrassed to be from the same country as you, I'm embarrassed to be in the same ****ing race, humanity, as you.

Die in a fire, and may all the bad things in life happen to you.

**** you,

Me.

Why don't you grow a set and join the Marines?

I doubt that you would be able to live through bootcamp, that in itself would be a service to the world.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Why don't you grow a set and join the Marines?

I doubt that you would be able to live through bootcamp, that in itself would be a service to the world.

You are truly a great Christian. I suspect that Christ won't be returning in glory anytime while you are around, for fear that you would show Him up.

[Logical]

Did someone say something?

Oh, gotcha, back to iggy.ROFL

[WilliamTheIrish]

Really? An anarchist AND a Marxist? Well, that really is something..

That makes him and 'anarxist'.

[BucEyedPea]

What? I thought I heard something. ROFL

[KCJohnny]

Why don't you grow a set and join the Marines?

I doubt that you would be able to live through bootcamp, that in itself would be a service to the world.

He wouldn't last a week, Programmer. His employment of the English language however does invite a career in composing greeting cards.

[|Zach|]

He is a nihilist.

Looks exhausting.

http://image.guim.co.uk/Guardian/arts/gallery/2007/jul/22/comedy.films/big_lebowski_kobal-3262.jpg

[Mr. Kotter]

...That said, Kotter raises a valid point with regards to some academics not participating in that marketplace.

Yup. :thumb:

And that is the MOST IMPORTANT part....that Jenson, coincidentally or purposefully, refuses to see (or acknowledge.)

:shrug:

[Mr. Kotter]

And we're the elitists?

**** off.

Hamas, you and I both know that 20 minutes inside a Starbuck's at 8 am most mornings, or the "cafe' inside the local Barnes and Noble.....after 8:00 pm on most any Friday or Saturday night....in Lawrence, Columbia, or Lincoln (or any similar college town)....would clearly demonstrate WHO the real elitists are.

If you haven't had the experience, I'd strongly reccommend it. It's enlightening.

;)

[Logical]

He wouldn't last a week, Programmer. His employment of the English language however does invite a career in composing greeting cards.KCJ hammering on someone who is truly intelligent like Hamas is just so silly and ironic, that well it cannot be adequately described.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hamas, you and I both know that 20 minutes inside a Starbuck's at 8 am most mornings, or the "cafe' inside the local Barnes and Noble.....after 8:00 pm on most any Friday or Saturday night....in Lawrence, Columbia, or Lincoln (or any similar college town)....would clearly demonstrate WHO the real elitists are.

If you haven't had the experience, I'd strongly reccommend it. It's enlightening.

;)

Academics are elitists!!

How do we know??

Just look at 'em. Drinking their lattes and talking about stuff like books. They must think they're better than us.

Hey Joe, aren't you drinking a latte?

It's different, I have a real job. I'm a businessman.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why don't you grow a set and join the Marines?

I doubt that you would be able to live through bootcamp, that in itself would be a service to the world.

I guaranfuckingtee I could run a mile faster than you, do more pushups, pullups, and bench a higher percentage of my weight than you.

Shut your ass.

[KCJohnny]

Radical Loon When Obama Was Only 47
http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Ann+Coulter

The media are acting as if they completely and fully vetted Obama during the Democratic primaries and that's why they are entitled to send teams of researchers into Alaska to analyze Sarah Palin's every expense report.

In fact, the mainstream media did no vetting. They seem to have all agreed, "OK, none of us will get into this business with Jeremiah Wright, 'Tony' Rezko, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers and everyone's impression of an angry Michelle Obama on 'The Jerry Springer Show.'"

During one of the Democratic primary debates, Hillary Clinton was hissed for mentioning Syrian national Rezko, and during another, ABC moderator George Stephanopoulos nearly lost his career for asking Obama one question about William Ayers.

In the past week, TV anchors have taken to claiming that Obama "refuted" John McCain's statement that Obama launched his political career at the home of former Weather Underground leader Ayers.

No, Obama "denied" it; he didn't "refute" it. If "denying" something is the same as "refuting" it, then maybe the establishment media can quit harping on Palin's supposed lack of qualifications to be president, since she too "refuted" that by denying it.

Back before the media realized it needed to lie about Obama launching his political career at Ayers' house, the Los Angeles Times provided an eyewitness account from a liberal who attended the event.

"When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him -- introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread."

The Times has now stripped this item from its Web page, but the great blogger Patterico has preserved it for posterity on his Web page.

Obama's glib remark that "Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago; 40 years ago when I was 8 years old he engaged in despicable acts with a domestic group. I have roundly denounced those attacks" -- doesn't answer anything.

First of all, the fact that Ayers is a professor of education proves only one thing: He is dumber than any person without an education degree.

Ayers is such an imbecile, we ought to be amazed that he's teaching at a university -- even when you consider that it's an ed school -- except all former violent radicals end up teaching. Roughly 80 percent of former Weathermen are full college professors -- 99 percent if you don't include the ones killed in shoot-outs with the police or in prison -- i.e., not yet pardoned by a Democratic president.

Any other profession would have banned a person like Ayers. Universities not only accept former domestic terrorists, but also move them to the front of the line. In addition to Ayers, among those once on the FBI's most-wanted list who ended up in cushy college teaching positions are Bernardine Dohrn (Northwestern University), Mark Rudd (a junior college in New Mexico) and Angela Davis (History of Consciousness Department, University of California at Santa Cruz).

While others were hard at work on Ph.D.s, Susan Rosenberg was conspiring to kill cops and blow up buildings, and was assembling massive caches of explosives. This put her on the fast track for a teaching position at Hamilton College!

Despite having absolutely no qualifications to teach, having earned only a master's degree in "writing" through a correspondence course, Rosenberg was offered a position at Hamilton within a few years of President Clinton pardoning her in 2001, releasing her from a 58-year prison sentence for participating in the murder of cops and possessing more than 700 pounds of explosives.

But Obama thinks it's a selling point to say that Ayers is a college professor.

Hundreds of college professors have signed a letter vouching for Ayers, which would be like Lester Maddox producing a letter from George Wallace assuring us that Maddox is a respected member of the community. No, really, I've got the letter right here!

The media keep citing the fact that the money Obama and Ayers distributed to idiotic left-wing causes came -- as The New York Times put it -- "from Walter H. Annenberg, the billionaire publisher and philanthropist and President Richard M. Nixon's ambassador to the United Kingdom."

Great Republican though he was, Walter Annenberg died in 2002. The money came from the Annenberg Foundation, which, like all foundations, distributes money to projects that its founder would despise. John Kerry ran for president on the late John Heinz's money. That didn't mean Republican Heinz was endorsing Kerry.

As John O'Sullivan says, any foundation that is not explicitly right-wing will become a radical left-wing organization within a few years. It could be the Association of University Women, the American Association of Retired People, the American Rose Growers, the Foundation for the Study of Railroad Engineers or the Choral Society of Newport Beach.

Left-wing radicals swarm to free foundation money, where they can give gigantic grants to one another and they will never have to do a day's work. That's exactly what Obama and Ayers did with Annenberg's money.

None of the Annenberg money went to schoolchildren. It went to Ayers' left-wing crank friends to write moronic papers that we hope no one ever reads.

Instead of teaching students reading and writing, Ayers thinks they should be taught to rebel against America's "imperialist" social structure. In 2006, Ayers was in Venezuela praising communist dictator Hugo Chavez, saying, "We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution."

He has backed a line of schoolbooks such as one titled "Teaching Science for Social Justice."

Forget about Ayers' domestic terrorism when Obama "was 8 years old." Does he agree with Ayers' idiot ideas right now?

[irishjayhawk]

Hamas, you and I both know that 20 minutes inside a Starbuck's at 8 am most mornings, or the "cafe' inside the local Barnes and Noble.....after 8:00 pm on most any Friday or Saturday night....in Lawrence, Columbia, or Lincoln (or any similar college town)....would clearly demonstrate WHO the real elitists are.

If you haven't had the experience, I'd strongly reccommend it. It's enlightening.

;)

You officially killed the already beaten and left for dead, word "elitist".

[Mr. Kotter]

Academics are elitists!!

How do we know??

Just look at 'em. Drinking their lattes and talking about stuff like books. They must think they're better than us.

Hey Joe, aren't you drinking a latte?

It's different, I have a real job. I'm a businessman.

No it's not the Lattes, Hamas. It's what they say; listen closely. I have.

You KNOW exactly what I mean; and fwiw, I really AM on your (our?) side....I'm just less conspicuous about it.

[irishjayhawk]

No it's not the Lattes, Hamas. It's what they say; listen closely. I have.

You KNOW exactly what I mean; and fwiw, I really AM on your (our?) side....I'm just less conspicuous about it.

I think this belongs in the BEP thread about "talking to someone".

[Mr. Kotter]

....higher percentage of my weight than you....

In fairness Hamas', if you can't bench at LEAST your own weight...you are "officially" a puss.

Sorry, it's a man-law. I forget the number or section, but trust me--it is. ;)

Of course, don't expect me....as a member of the wanna-be intellectual "elite" to give two shits about it in the real world though, FTR.

:)

[Logical]

Radical Loon When Obama Was Only 47
http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Ann+Coulter

The media are acting as if they completely and fully vetted Obama during the Democratic primaries and that's why they are entitled to send teams of researchers into Alaska to analyze Sarah Palin's every expense report.

In fact, the mainstream media did no vetting. They seem to have all agreed, "OK, none of us will get into this business with Jeremiah Wright, 'Tony' Rezko, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers and everyone's impression of an angry Michelle Obama on 'The Jerry Springer Show.'"

During one of the Democratic primary debates, Hillary Clinton was hissed for mentioning Syrian national Rezko, and during another, ABC moderator George Stephanopoulos nearly lost his career for asking Obama one question about William Ayers.

In the past week, TV anchors have taken to claiming that Obama "refuted" John McCain's statement that Obama launched his political career at the home of former Weather Underground leader Ayers.

No, Obama "denied" it; he didn't "refute" it. If "denying" something is the same as "refuting" it, then maybe the establishment media can quit harping on Palin's supposed lack of qualifications to be president, since she too "refuted" that by denying it.

Back before the media realized it needed to lie about Obama launching his political career at Ayers' house, the Los Angeles Times provided an eyewitness account from a liberal who attended the event.

"When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him -- introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread."

The Times has now stripped this item from its Web page, but the great blogger Patterico has preserved it for posterity on his Web page.

Obama's glib remark that "Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago; 40 years ago when I was 8 years old he engaged in despicable acts with a domestic group. I have roundly denounced those attacks" -- doesn't answer anything.

First of all, the fact that Ayers is a professor of education proves only one thing: He is dumber than any person without an education degree.

Ayers is such an imbecile, we ought to be amazed that he's teaching at a university -- even when you consider that it's an ed school -- except all former violent radicals end up teaching. Roughly 80 percent of former Weathermen are full college professors -- 99 percent if you don't include the ones killed in shoot-outs with the police or in prison -- i.e., not yet pardoned by a Democratic president.

Any other profession would have banned a person like Ayers. Universities not only accept former domestic terrorists, but also move them to the front of the line. In addition to Ayers, among those once on the FBI's most-wanted list who ended up in cushy college teaching positions are Bernardine Dohrn (Northwestern University), Mark Rudd (a junior college in New Mexico) and Angela Davis (History of Consciousness Department, University of California at Santa Cruz).

While others were hard at work on Ph.D.s, Susan Rosenberg was conspiring to kill cops and blow up buildings, and was assembling massive caches of explosives. This put her on the fast track for a teaching position at Hamilton College!

Despite having absolutely no qualifications to teach, having earned only a master's degree in "writing" through a correspondence course, Rosenberg was offered a position at Hamilton within a few years of President Clinton pardoning her in 2001, releasing her from a 58-year prison sentence for participating in the murder of cops and possessing more than 700 pounds of explosives.

But Obama thinks it's a selling point to say that Ayers is a college professor.

Hundreds of college professors have signed a letter vouching for Ayers, which would be like Lester Maddox producing a letter from George Wallace assuring us that Maddox is a respected member of the community. No, really, I've got the letter right here!

The media keep citing the fact that the money Obama and Ayers distributed to idiotic left-wing causes came -- as The New York Times put it -- "from Walter H. Annenberg, the billionaire publisher and philanthropist and President Richard M. Nixon's ambassador to the United Kingdom."

Great Republican though he was, Walter Annenberg died in 2002. The money came from the Annenberg Foundation, which, like all foundations, distributes money to projects that its founder would despise. John Kerry ran for president on the late John Heinz's money. That didn't mean Republican Heinz was endorsing Kerry.

As John O'Sullivan says, any foundation that is not explicitly right-wing will become a radical left-wing organization within a few years. It could be the Association of University Women, the American Association of Retired People, the American Rose Growers, the Foundation for the Study of Railroad Engineers or the Choral Society of Newport Beach.

Left-wing radicals swarm to free foundation money, where they can give gigantic grants to one another and they will never have to do a day's work. That's exactly what Obama and Ayers did with Annenberg's money.

None of the Annenberg money went to schoolchildren. It went to Ayers' left-wing crank friends to write moronic papers that we hope no one ever reads.

Instead of teaching students reading and writing, Ayers thinks they should be taught to rebel against America's "imperialist" social structure. In 2006, Ayers was in Venezuela praising communist dictator Hugo Chavez, saying, "We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution."

He has backed a line of schoolbooks such as one titled "Teaching Science for Social Justice."

Forget about Ayers' domestic terrorism when Obama "was 8 years old." Does he agree with Ayers' idiot ideas right now?

I officially declare KCJohnny, October's recxjake. Congratulations on achieving the pinnacle of dumbshitdom.

[Mr. Kotter]

I think this belongs in the BEP thread about "talking to someone".

As an aspiring Hamas'....I expect that post from you.

"I posted with Hamas'. I knew Hamas'. And IJH...you are no friggin' Hamas (yet, anyway.)"

[Mr. Kotter]

I officially declare KCJohnny, October's recxjake. Congratulations on achieving the pinnacle of dumbshitdom.

You gotta admit....the whole "Social Justice" deal is nothing but crap--pure crap. Come on, Jim.

Give a guy his due, when it's deserved. ;)

[Logical]

Hamas, you and I both know that 20 minutes inside a Starbuck's at 8 am most mornings, or the "cafe' inside the local Barnes and Noble.....after 8:00 pm on most any Friday or Saturday night....in Lawrence, Columbia, or Lincoln (or any similar college town)....would clearly demonstrate WHO the real elitists are.

If you haven't had the experience, I'd strongly reccommend it. It's enlightening.

;)Kotter WTF are you doing at a Starbucks at 8AM sounds like you are a wannabe elitist.

[irishjayhawk]

As an aspiring Hamas'....I expect that post from you.

"I posted with Hamas'. I knew Hamas'. And IJH...you are no friggin' Hamas (yet, anyway.)"

If by an "aspiring Hamas" you mean calling people out on their stupid shit, then I guess.

[irishjayhawk]

I officially declare KCJohnny, October's recxjake. Congratulations on achieving the pinnacle of dumbshitdom.

The October Surprise?

[Mr. Kotter]

Kotter WTF are you doing at a Starbucks at 8AM sounds like you are a wannabe elitist.

Duh. Public school "secondary" teacher, with an MA....PhD (E.B.D.)....

WTF else would I be? ;)

[Mr. Kotter]

The October Surprise?
No, no....that was Palin....taking her kids to campaign/Governor events. Duh. :)

[Jenson71]

There is nothing inherently wrong with them having different views; that's fine. But presenting views in a biased and one-sided way while teaching, is unacceptable IMHO. Colleges and universities have in many cases become soap boxes for the liberal elite in this country.

I'm saying they should make a much, much more valiant effort to present a more balanced view of many subjects, rather than shoving their own ideology and agenda down the throats of impressionable young kids.

By the time they enter a school of higher education, you should have ingrained in them the flame of academic, critical thinking and sound judgment that comes with education through the study of various ideas and knowledge acquired in high school learning. Should that not be the role of secondary education, if not the role of all education, at any age?

I wonder why we think college students can not think for themselves. Though I acknowledge most are culturally at an immature age, we ask them to pay attention to political debates and public policy lectures, but then we write them off sometimes as being too ignorant to vote in elections, or too impressionable to listen to a professor argue over an issue.

I will acknowledge and strictly defend that higher educators should stay, within reason, limited to their field of expertise. A physics professor spending valuable time neglecting the details of optics and instead making shallow small talk on foreign policy is inappropriate. But often the criticism is unfounded. Definitely in my experiences it is. You say "have become soap boxes." This implies there was a time when they weren't. When did this change?

[WilliamTheIrish]

By the time they enter a school of higher education, you should have ingrained in them the flame of academic, critical thinking and sound judgment that comes with education through the study of various ideas and knowledge acquired in high school learning. Should that not be the role of secondary education, if not the role of all education, at any age?

I wonder why we think college students can not think for themselves. Though I acknowledge most are culturally at an immature age, we ask them to pay attention to political debates and public policy lectures, we write them off sometimes as being too ignorant to vote in elections, or too impressionable to listen to a professor argue for an issue.

I will acknowledge and strictly defend that higher educators should stay, within reason, limited to their field of expertise. A physics professor spending valuable time neglecting the details of optics and instead making shallow small talk on foreign policy is inappropriate.

You say "have become soap boxes." This implies there was a time when they weren't. When did this change?

More often than not Kotter inspires kids so well they berate him with academic phrases like: "Lick My Balls".

[Ultra Peanut]

No it's not the Lattes, Hamas. It's what they say; listen closely. I have.

You KNOW exactly what I mean; and fwiw, I really AM on your (our?) side....I'm just less conspicuous about it.You have the biggest superiority complex on the Planet.

[Logical]

You have the biggest superiority on the Planet.I don't know UP, more than Tom and John Proctor?

[Ultra Peanut]

I don't know UP, more than Tom and John Proctor?They don't count, because they're not actual people. They're... well, I don't know what the fuck they are. Rogue, retarded AI, or something, maybe.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

In fairness Hamas', if you can't bench at LEAST your own weight...you are "officially" a puss.

Sorry, it's a man-law. I forget the number or section, but trust me--it is. ;)

Of course, don't expect me....as a member of the wanna-be intellectual "elite" to give two shits about it in the real world though, FTR.

:)

The last time I checked, there were percentages greater than 100 to denote increases. Make no mistake, I'm not fucking Ronnie Coleman, but I'm also not a probably near sextagenarian Tom C@sh.

[KCJohnny]

I guaran****ingtee I could run a mile faster than you, do more pushups, pullups, and bench a higher percentage of my weight than you.

Shut your ass.

If you are as physically fit as you say, we're happy for you. But physical fitness is only one aspect of serving your country as a Soldier, Marine, Sailor or Airman. The greater qualifications are loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage.

That is why you would probably not last a week in boot camp or basic combat training, Mr. Hamas.

[irishjayhawk]

By the time they enter a school of higher education, you should have ingrained in them the flame of academic, critical thinking and sound judgment that comes with education through the study of various ideas and knowledge acquired in high school learning. Should that not be the role of secondary education, if not the role of all education, at any age?

I wonder why we think college students can not think for themselves. Though I acknowledge most are culturally at an immature age, we ask them to pay attention to political debates and public policy lectures, but then we write them off sometimes as being too ignorant to vote in elections, or too impressionable to listen to a professor argue over an issue.

I will acknowledge and strictly defend that higher educators should stay, within reason, limited to their field of expertise. A physics professor spending valuable time neglecting the details of optics and instead making shallow small talk on foreign policy is inappropriate. But often the criticism is unfounded. Definitely in my experiences it is. You say "have become soap boxes." This implies there was a time when they weren't. When did this change?

Pretty much my experience too. A point you alluded to but I think needs more highlighting is that the immature block of kids in college makes it hard for the intellectually oriented block to be taken seriously.

This is a grave mistake for those who overlook this block.


Edit: Also, it should be pointed out that the same is true for the opposite side of the spectrum. Teachers so outspoken on that side as well. I'm sure Kotter acknowledges that.

[Mr. Kotter]

You have the biggest superiority complex on the Planet.

Eh....you're over-looking several more deserving candidates, IMHO. :)

[Ultra Peanut]

Eh....you're over-looking several more deserving candidates, IMHO. :)It was definitely hyperbole, but don't front that you don't think you're hot shit.

SHAKE YA ASS
WATCH YOSELF

[Mr. Kotter]

It was definitely hyperbole, but don't front that you don't think you're hot shit.

SHAKE YA ASS
WATCH YOSELF

Heh. LMAO

Eh, I'm old enough that I know me. I know my strengths. I'm also well aware of my short-comings though.

I try to keep it real....

What you find-ah
What you feel now
What you know-a
To be real