Does This Trouble Any Obama Supporters?

[RINGLEADER]

Just Curious:

About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father.

Mr. Odinga had the backing of Kenya's Muslim community heading into the election. For months he denied any ties to Muslim leaders, but fell silent when Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, appeared on Kenya television displaying a memorandum of understanding signed on Aug. 29, 2007, by Mr. Odinga and the Muslim leader. Mr. Odinga then denied his denials.

The details of the MOU were shocking. In return for Muslim backing, Mr. Odinga promised to impose a number of measures favored by Muslims if he were elected president. Among these were recognition of "Islam as the only true religion," Islamic leaders would have an "oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other religions [emphasis in original]," installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction, a ban on Christian preaching, replacement of the police commissioner who "allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists," adoption of a women's dress code, and bans on alcohol and pork.

This was not Mr. Odinga's first brush with notoriety. Like his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, the main opposition leader in the 1960s and 1970s, Raila Odinga is a Marxist He graduated from East Germany's Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

Raila Odinga was implicated in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 against then-President Daniel Arap Moi, a close ally of the United States. Kenya has been one of the most stable democracies in Africa since the 1960s. The ethnic cleansing earlier this year was the worst violence in Kenya since that 1982 coup attempt.

Mr. Odinga spent eight years in prison. At the time, he denied guilt but later detailed he was a coup leader in his 2006 biography. Statue of limitations precluded further prosecution when the biography appeared.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama had met several times before the 2006 trip. Reports indicate Mr. Odinga visited Mr. Obama during trips to the U.S. in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Mr. Obama sent his foreign policy adviser Mark Lippert to Kenya in early 2006 to coordinate his summer visit. Mr. Obama's August trip coincided with strategizing by Orange Democratic Movement leaders to defeat Mr. Kibaki in the upcoming elections. Mr. Odinga represented the ODM ticket in the presidential race.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama's father were both from the Luo community, the second-largest tribe in Kenya, but their ties run much deeper. Mr. Odinga told a stunned BBC Radio interviewer the reason why he and Mr. Obama were staying in near daily telephone contact was because they were cousins. In a Jan. 8, 2008, interview, Mr. Odinga said Mr. Obama had called him twice the day before while campaigning in the New Hampshire primary before adding, "Barack Obama's father is my maternal uncle."

President Kibaki requested a meeting of all opposition leaders in early January in an effort to quell the violence. All agreed to attend except Mr. Odinga. A month later, Mr. Kibaki offered Mr. Odinga the role of prime minister, the de facto No. 2 in the Kenyan government, in return for an end to the attacks. Mr. Odinga was sworn in on April 17, 2008.

Mr. Obama's judgment is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists and whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamic extremists in Kenya who bombed the U.S. Embassy in 1998, killing more than 200 and injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded Mr. Obama from maintaining disturbing loyalties.

[triple]

"pals around"?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Sure. The deaths of innocents always bothers me.

Would it bother you (or would you have posted it) had you not tried to link it to Obama? I tend to think not.

Link please.

[Sully]

I'm always troubled when people are killed.

I don't believe this has anything to do with Senator Obama, though.

[RINGLEADER]

Sure. The deaths of innocents always bothers me.

Would it bother you (or would you have posted it) had you not tried to link it to Obama? I tend to think not.

Link please.

Obama is the one on stage with the guy shaking his hand. I would tend to think Obama is the one responsible for the linkage.

[Sully]

Rumsfeld shook hands with Hussein. Are you under the impression he was somehow involved with Hussein's atrocities?

[HolmeZz]

Obama is the one on stage with the guy shaking his hand.

I also like to hold Rumsfeld responsible for the actions of Saddam.

http://www.mainandcentral.org/rumsfeld_saddam.gif

[triple]

Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

honestly, i think that diminishes their interest.

[Taco John]

Odinga ate your baby.

[Sully]

honestly, i think that diminishes their interest.

Caricature!!!!!

[RINGLEADER]

I also like to hold Rumsfeld responsible for the actions of Saddam.

http://www.mainandcentral.org/rumsfeld_saddam.gif

Putting aside the geo-political reasons for him meeting with Saddam at the time, I don't remember Rumsfeld running for president. Nor does this answer the question of Obama's relationship with the Kenyan PM and how it makes you feel about Obama.

[RINGLEADER]

Odinga ate your baby.

Now THAT'S funny...

[KC Fish]

Raila Odinga (who was jailed for a total of eight years beginning in 1982 for protesting the one-party rule of Kenya's then-dictator, Daniel Arap Moi) has claimed to be a cousin (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm) of Illinois senator Barack Obama (maintaining that Obama's biological father was his maternal uncle). However, no evidence has been offered to document that claim, and the fact that Odinga made such a claim only in the immediate aftermath of the disputed December 2007 elections in Kenya (even though Barack Obama had been a prominent political figure long before then) suggests it was a opportunistic fiction invented by Odinga to provide himself with a badly-needed cloak of political legitimacy. (A few months earlier, another Kenyan political candidate, Nicholas Owino Rajula (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/09/27/world/20070928KENYA_index.html), had also claimed to be a distant cousin of Senator Obama.)

Barack Obama's uncle has denied Odinga's claim that the two men are directly related, saying: "Odinga's mother came from this area, so it is normal for us to talk about cousins. But he is not a blood relative." Even if Raila Odinga and Barack Obama were in fact distant relatives, their connection would merely be a genetic one — the two men have no history of any substantive form of familial relationship.
Although the Obama campaign acknowledged that Senator Obama spoke to Raila Odinga by telephone "for about five minutes" in January 2008 (he also made a public appearance with Odinga during a trip to Kenya in August 2006), we could find nothing substantiating the claim that "Obama and Raila speak daily."
Spokesman for both Barack Obama and Raila Odinga deny that the former donated any money to the latter's campaign. The document (http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/odinga1.pdf) on which this claim is based (a fax of dubious origin) purportedly reproduces an internal campaign memo from November 2007 showing a campaign contribution from "Friends of Senator BO." However, there is no political action committee (PAC (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Political_action_committee)) registered in the U.S. under that name (or under the name "Friends of Barack Obama" or anything similar). Moreover, a contribution from a "Friends of Joe Smith" PAC isn't the same thing as a contribution from Joe Smith himself — PACs are independent entities that can donate money to political causes without the knowledge or consent of whatever candidate they claim to be supporting.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

[InChiefsHell]

Putting aside the geo-political reasons for him meeting with Saddam at the time, I don't remember Rumsfeld running for president. Nor does this answer the question of Obama's relationship with the Kenyan PM and how it makes you feel about Obama.

That doesn't matter. They don't have to answer your question if they can bring up an example of how your side might suck too. It's how the game is played.

...I often wonder why people bring anything up at all on The Planet...

[Sully]

Putting aside the geo-political reasons for him meeting with Saddam at the time, I don't remember Rumsfeld running for president. Nor does this answer the question of Obama's relationship with the Kenyan PM and how it makes you feel about Obama.

It goes to your judgment that shaking hands with a guy=helping him massacre Christians.

[Sully]

That doesn't matter. They don't have to answer your question if they can bring up an example of how your side might suck too. It's how the game is played.

...I often wonder why people bring anything up at all on The Planet...

Apparently you haven't read the thread. His question has been answered several times...now it's time to just point out how stupid the question is.

[RJ]

It goes to your judgment that shaking hands with a guy=helping him massacre Christians.


Would it have been ok if he'd massacred Muslims?

[Radar Chief]

I also like to hold Rumsfeld responsible for the actions of Saddam.

http://www.mainandcentral.org/rumsfeld_saddam.gif

We could play this game all day.

[RJ]

We could play this game all day.


You're absolutely right, so why bother?

[InChiefsHell]

You're absolutely right, so why bother?

Well put.

[Dave Lane]

No

[Radar Chief]

You're absolutely right, so why bother?

:shrug: I had a little time to waste. Plus you always see the Rumsfeld/Hussein photos but never the Gore/Phelps ones.

[|Zach|]

You're absolutely right, so why bother?

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[RJ]

Heck, I once saw a photo of FDR with Stalin.

[Radar Chief]

Heck, I once saw a photo of FDR with Stalin.

Hell, you should've posted it.
Since we’re talking irrelevant to the topic photos, here’s one of my favorites.
Never know, maybe if we lighten the mood around here, show people its ok to joke around a little, this place wouldn’t be such a hate filled combat zone.

[WilliamTheIrish]

honestly, i think that diminishes their interest.

Oh, I dunno. My interest was never piqued.

[Calcountry]

Sure. The deaths of innocents always bothers me.

Would it bother you (or would you have posted it) had you not tried to link it to Obama? I tend to think not.

Link please.Obama helped Odinga get elected. His daddy is from Kenya.

He's linked dude, sorry if you don't like how the shoe fits.

[Calcountry]

Rumsfeld shook hands with Hussein. Are you under the impression he was somehow involved with Hussein's atrocities?Certainly, Rumsfeld is evil, we all know that.

[Calcountry]

Would it have been ok if he'd massacred Muslims?Of course not, we would go to war to save them.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Obama helped Odinga get elected. His daddy is from Kenya.

He's linked dude, sorry if you don't like how the shoe fits.


Again, this issue means what to me? To America? To this election?

[Calcountry]

Again, this issue means what to me? To America? To this election?That the man, Barack Hussein Obama, is UNFIT to be president of the United States on the basis of his lack of loyalty to the above.

He is too international for me. I want someone who is concerned with America, above all else, and would put how outside coutries feel about us at a lower priority than our OWN interests.

I realize you disagree with me, but this is an honest anser, and happens to be my opinion.

[Dave Lane]

I saw Reagan with Gorbachev once

[Bowser]

He is too international for me. I want someone who is concerned with America, above all else, and would put how outside coutries feel about us at a lower priority than our OWN interests.



Wait, I thought he didn't have enough experience to be president. How can he be a player on a world stage, but not have the experience to run this country?

[Radar Chief]

I saw Reagan with Gorbachev once

Same for Clinton and Gorbachev.

[jidar]

Oh sweet!

I was just hoping I could read something retarded.

completely and utterly debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

[Bowser]

Oh sweet!

I was just hoping I could read something retarded.

completely and utterly debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

Try debunking that he's black and his name sounds like a terrorist!

[SportsRacer]

No.

[Taco John]

Try debunking that he's black and his name sounds like a terrorist!

Donger actually attempted to debunk that Obama is black. Apparently skin color doesn't count anymore as the standard.

[StcChief]

the Obamabots are NOT phased by anything, he could be thrown in Jail now it would not matter, Biden play on.

[RJ]

Of course not, we would go to war to save them.


Go to war over them? Hell, we'd never even know it happened.

[RJ]

Hell, you should've posted it.
Since we’re talking irrelevant to the topic photos, here’s one of my favorites.
Never know, maybe if we lighten the mood around here, show people its ok to joke around a little, this place wouldn’t be such a hate filled combat zone.



I'm down with that, and the photo.

[Calcountry]

Go to war over them? Hell, we'd never even know it happened.You obviously have never heard of Kosovo.

[RJ]

You obviously have never heard of Kosovo.


Those were all light skinned people. Black African Muslims getting killed isn't something we'd fight for. We'd probably never even hear about it.

Not that I'm saying we should. I'm tired of policing the world. But those Kosovo Muslims looked like regular people, so there's a big difference.

[Baby Lee]

We could play this game all day.

Missed one. ;)

http://www.strangepolice.com/images/content/126771.jpg

[WilliamTheIrish]

Oh sweet!

I was just hoping I could read something retarded.

completely and utterly debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

Bunny? Ringleader? What say you?

[SBK]

There is nothing that will trouble Obama supporters. Ever.

[Boyceofsummer]

My wife’s British relative & husband were teaching Kenyan orphans when all hell broke loose. They were teaching within the opposition enclave. They never mentioned Barack Obama as a reason for the ensuing violence. To blame this on Obama smacks of racism. You will be part of the opposition on November 5th. Enjoy!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081022/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_hate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7300147.stm

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7213211.stm

[RJ]

There is nothing that will trouble Obama supporters. Ever.


Damn, that's great. At least I got that going for me.

[Programmer]

Apparently you haven't read the thread. His question has been answered several times...now it's time to just point out how stupid the question is.How does that fit in with your christian faith?

[Adept Havelock]

Damn, that's great. At least I got that going for me.

Don't forget the Dali Llama's pronouncement about your deathbed enlightenment.

[Robo-Chachi]

Surely we're all familiar with Arbusto Energy, that oil company George W Bush started with an investment from Osama Bin Laden's brother. Not to mention the Carlyle Group which George HW Bush was a member of, as well as the Bin Laden family.

[RJ]

Don't forget the Dali Llama's pronouncement about your deathbed enlightenment.



Exactly so.

[Ultra Peanut]

I see what you tried to do there.

Dickhead.

[WilliamTheIrish]

There is nothing that will trouble Obama supporters. Ever.

Not from this article. It's a fake.

[Smed1065]

?

Indicted Saudi Gets $80 Million US Contract
The Financier Has Been Indicted For His Alleged Role in a Scandal Costing US Taxpayers $1.7 billion
June 4, 2008

The US military has awarded an $80 million contract to a prominent Saudi financier who has been indicted by the US Justice Department. The contract to supply jet fuel to American bases in Afghanistan was awarded to the Attock Refinery Ltd, a Pakistani-based refinery owned by Gaith Pharaon. Pharaon is wanted in connection with his alleged role at the failed Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and the CenTrust savings and loan scandal, which cost US tax payers $1.7 billion.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4996285&page=1

[RJ]

Those were all light skinned people. Black African Muslims getting killed isn't something we'd fight for. We'd probably never even hear about it.

Not that I'm saying we should. I'm tired of policing the world. But those Kosovo Muslims looked like regular people, so there's a big difference.



bunny, I'm afraid you completely missed my point.

Read it again.

[Smed1065]

Rumor is that Bush and Pharaon were classmates? Can anyone verify this?

[Sully]

How does that fit in with your christian faith?

I don't see anything involved in pointing out someone's question is stupid that would contradict Christianity. Do you?

[ROYC75]

My wife’s British relative & husband were teaching Kenyan orphans when all hell broke loose. They were teaching within the opposition enclave. They never mentioned Barack Obama as a reason for the ensuing violence. To blame this on Obama smacks of racism. You will be part of the opposition on November 5th. Enjoy!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081022/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_hate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7300147.stm

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7213211.stm

Nobody said Obama was responsible, that dickhead cousin of his is. But it does go along with the Ayers issues, showing poor judgment with who he associates with. Obama knew he had been in prison previously...... just like Ayers of whom he is denying .

The Snopes article just shows no evidence has been reported to link them as cousins. But it doesn't matter, it's still a poor show of judgment on Obama.

But to the liberals, the radical left,it doesn't matter. FTR, that's how shit happens when you associate with the wrong crowd.

[SBK]

Nobody said Obama was responsible, that dickhead cousin of his is. But it does go along with the Ayers issues, showing poor judgment with who he associates with. Obama knew he had been in prison previously...... just like Ayers of whom he is denying .

The Snopes article just shows no evidence has been reported to link them as cousins. But it doesn't matter, it's still a poor show of judgment on Obama.

But to the liberals, the radical left,it doesn't matter. FTR, that's how shit happens when you associate with the wrong crowd.

Waste. Of. Time.

[SportsRacer]

Waste. Of. Time.

You should tell that to the McCain campaign.

[SBK]

You should tell that to the McCain campaign.

http://imthi.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/tortoise_and_hare.jpg

[SportsRacer]

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19994/19994-h/images/i093.jpg

You really shouldn't inline Project Gutenberg images.

[SBK]

You really shouldn't inline Project Gutenberg images.

Why?

[Ari Chi3fs]

Surely we're all familiar with Arbusto Energy, that oil company George W Bush started with an investment from Osama Bin Laden's brother. Not to mention the Carlyle Group which George HW Bush was a member of, as well as the Bin Laden family.

Oh man, don't mention stuff like that. Thats irrelevant. Bush and oil have nothing to do with today's world's circumstances.

Bush is innocent. He is not an evil doer. Him and Cheney are sweethearts.

[SportsRacer]

Why?

Because they asked you politely not to.

[SBK]

Because they asked you politely not to.

There, now I've used a sportsracer approved picture of this years election.

[SportsRacer]

There, now I've used a sportsracer approved picture of this years election.

It's not that I'm approving it. It's that all that was showing up for me was a yellow box that said "Please do not inline Project Gutenberg images".

Also, if you really think this election is a Tortoise v. Hare situation, you're delusional. Obama raised $150 million in September and has warned against complacency. He himself said that Democrats are notorious for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and he's working harder than ever, despite the widening polls.

The McCain campaign has shot itself in the foot too many times and the Obama campaign has been run too smoothly. This election is all but won, but Obama isn't letting anybody say that out loud. He knows he has to finish the job.

If you need an Aesop's Fable to comfort you, that's fine. Pathetic, but fine.

[InChiefsHell]

That's the thing, Obama is a big believer in Herm's Philosophy:

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE ELECTION!!!!


...sadly, McCain is a day late and a few million dollars short. I hold out very small hope that he can win this thing. I'm just trying to adjust to the idea of an Obama presidency and what that will do to the country now.