FDA Running Extortion Racket: Natural Supplement Companies Threatened

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FDA Running Extortion Racket: Natural Supplement Companies Threatened with Arrest if They Don’t Pay Up

Mike Adams
Natural News
Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008

NaturalNews has learned the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is running a criminal extortion racket designed to drain cash from health supplement companies and shift it into the pockets of top FDA contractors. This organized crime operation has been running for years, and it has operated with impunity because each company targeted by the scam feels isolated and alone, unable to face the astronomical legal bills of going to court and battling the FDA. So one by one, they agree to “settle” with the FDA for crimes they never committed. Part of the settlement, of course, involves the payment of FDA employees or contractors who pocket the money extorted from health companies.

NaturalNews has interviewed executives from three different companies who have been targeted for extortion by U.S. Food and Drug Administration employees. At their request, the names of those companies are being kept confidential until legal action being taken against them is resolved. Interviews have been recorded, with permission, with two of those companies and will be released to the public at a later date. Documents proving this FDA extortion racket are included here.

How the FDA extorts money from nutritional supplement companies

The FDA extortion racket works like this: FDA employees use keyword-scanning software to scan the web pages of natural health product and supplement companies, searching for terms like cancer, cures, treatment, remedies and other “forbidden” words. FDA employees then review the discovered pages to determine if they contain any words that might inform consumers of the health benefits of the nutritional products. FDA employees also look for links that might point web users to scientific articles from peer-reviewed medical journals that further explain the health benefits of specific foods, supplements or nutrients.

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When offending words or links are found by the FDA, their extortion team goes into full swing. First, they contact the company and warn them to remove all information and links from their websites. This is the most important step from the FDA’s standpoint, because by doing this, they can keep the health-conscious public in a state of nutritional ignorance about the scientifically-supported healing properties of natural supplements. Cherry products, for example, cannot link to scientific articles explaining the simple biological fact that cherries ease inflammation in human beings. Such links are considered “drug claims” by the FDA.

NaturalNews has even learned that companies are now being targeted for simply posting customer testimonials, even when those testimonials make absolutely no health claims. FDA and FTC agents are now threatening the owners of such companies with imprisonment if they do not immediately remove all customer testimonials from their websites and marketing materials.

If the company being targeted for extortion refuses to fully comply with the FDA’s requests to remove all educational information from their website, the FDA then escalates the extortion tactics by threatening the company principals with arrest and seizure unless they agree to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to top FDA contractors and sign a “consent decree” where the company “admits” to committing various crimes (see below). This consent decree is a blatant violation of the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, of course, and it violates numerous sections of the Bill of Rights (Amendments #1 and #5, at the very least).

The FDA employees or contractors receiving the extorted money, it is claimed, are being paid to “review web pages” to make sure they don’t contain anything that might inform consumers about the scientifically-validated benefits of the health products being sold. FDA extortion agreements specify that FDA employees should be paid the rate of $100 per hour, with no limit on the number of hours they may bill the company for. The extortion agreement also requires companies to pay for all the following:

• $100 per hour for the travel time of FDA employees.
• Hotel rooms for FDA employees.
• Storage fees for all products seized by the FDA.

The same agreement also requires the company to comply with FDA demands by never placing any links or “illegal” information on its website, where “illegal” means anything that offers an accurate description of the health benefits offered by natural health products.

The Consent Decree
Part of the FDA’s strategy for oppression and control is to force targeted companies to sign a “consent decree” where they admit to crimes they never committed. NaturalNews obtained a copy of a public court document the FruitFast company was forced to sign due to FDA threats and extortion tactics.

You can view this document yourself at: http://www.NaturalNews.com/investigatio…

This document requires the FruitFast company to admit to crimes it did not commit; namely:

“Violating the Act, by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. SS 352(f)(1).”

What “drugs” did the FruitFast company introduce that were “misbranded?” Cherries, it turns out. Cherry juice concentrate was being sold with the accurate statement that it helped eliminate gout (which it does). This, according to the FDA, was enough to magically transform cherry juice into an “unapproved drug” and cause it to be “misbranded.”

It also requires targeted companies to contractually agree that they have:

“…removed all claims from Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media that cause that product to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act; and

(ii) removed, from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants, references to or endorsements of any other website that conveys information about Defendants’ products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act.”

This means, of course, that these companies can no longer even LINK to other websites, including websites of scientific journals that discuss the proven health benefits of such natural products (foods, herbs, etc.)

The truth is now subject to FDA approval
Once a company removes all educational information and links from their website, they are then required to submit to draconian measures of “censorship enforcement” by the FDA. This is fully explained in this section of the FDA’s Consent Decree: (bolding added for emphasis)

Within ten (10) calendar days of FDA’s request for any labels, labeling, promotional materials, and/or downloaded copies (on CD-Rom) of any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants, Defendants shall submit a copy of the requested materials to FDA at the address specified in paragraph 19.

Within twenty (20) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall submit to FDA a certification of compliance, signed by each of the individually-named Defendants in this matter, each Defendant stating that he: (a) has personally reviewed all of Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and the internet websites referred to in paragraph 8 above; and (b) personally certifies that the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and internet websites strictly comply with the requirements of the Act and its regulations and do not include unapproved or unauthorized claims that the products cure, mitigate, treat, prevent and/or reduce the risk of disease. Thereafter, Defendants shall submit certifications of compliance every three (3) months for a period of two (2) years.

Furthermore, the FDA then requires that the company being targeted by the extortion racket hire a person (called the “expert”) to enforce all this censorship the company has agreed to.

As you’ll note in the language below, this “expert” must be paid $100 an hour, for an unlimited number of hours, to conduct surprise inspections of the company’s administrative offices, warehouses and fulfillment centers:

Within fourteen (14) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall retain an independent person or persons (the “expert”)… who by reason of background, experience, education, and training is qualified to assess Defendants’ compliance with the Act, to review the claims Defendants make for all of their products on their product labels, labeling, promotional material, any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants, including, but not limited to, the websites referred to in paragraph 8 above. At the conclusion of the expert’s review, the expert shall prepare a written report analyzing whether Defendants are operating in compliance with the Act and in particular, certify whether Defendants have omitted all claims from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media, that make any of their products drugs and/or constitute unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act. The expert shall also review Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants to determine whether these include any references to or endorsements of any other websites that convey information about Defendants’ products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act, and certify in the written report whether Defendants have omitted any such references or endorsements. The expert shall submit this report to FDA and Defendants within thirty-five (35) calendar days of the entry of this Decree. If the expert reports any violations of the Act, Defendants shall, within seven (7) calendar days of receipt of the report, correct those deviations, unless FDA notifies Defendants that a shorter time period is necessary.

In other words, this section requires the company being targeted to pay the “Expert” huge fees to make sure it doesn’t “illegally” link to other websites that might tell the truth about the health products in question.

FDA tyranny unleashed
So what happens if the company slips up and does something illegal like, let’s say, posting a clickable link to a science journal that discusses research citing the health benefits of cherries? As you’ll see below, there are no limits to the action the FDA can take in retribution, including the seizure of all company assets and the arrest of its principals.

Specifically, the Consent Decree forces company owners to agree to the following:

If, at any time after this Decree has been entered, FDA determines, based on the results of an inspection, the analyses of Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants that convey information about Defendants’ products, a report prepared by Defendants’ expert, or any other information, that additional corrective actions are necessary to achieve compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, or this Decree, FDA may, as and when it deems necessary, direct Defendants, in writing, to take one or more of the actions:

A. Cease manufacturing, processing, packing, labeling, holding, and/or distributing any article(s);

B. Submit additional reports or information to FDA;

C. Recall any article(s) at Defendants’ expense; or

D. Take any other reasonable corrective action(s) as FDA, in its discretion, deems necessary to bring Defendants and their products into compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, and this Decree.

Surprise inspections, secret police and non-stop persecution
Just to keep the targeted company in a state of constant fear (which is why I have labeled the FDA a terrorist organization), the FDA forces it to agree to surprise inspections where it must pay FDA “compliance officers” to rummage through their product shelves and paperwork, looking for evidence of non-compliance:

Duly authorized representatives of FDA shall be permitted, without prior notice and as and when FDA deems necessary, to make [surprise] inspections of Defendants’ facilities and, without prior notice,

And just to make sure the company is further driven into bankruptcy, the FDA requires them to PAY for all these surprise “compliance” investigations! As stated in the Consent Decree:

Defendants shall reimburse FDA for the costs of all FDA inspections, investigations, supervision, reviews, examinations, and analyses specified in this Decree or that FDA deems necessary to evaluate Defendants’ compliance with this Decree. The costs of such inspections shall be borne by Defendants at the prevailing rates in effect at the time the costs are incurred. As of the date that this Decree is signed by the parties, these rates are: $78.09 per hour and fraction thereof per representative for inspection work; $93.61 per hour or fraction thereof per representative for analytical or review work; $0.485 per mile for travel expenses by automobile; government rate or the equivalent for travel by air or other means; and the published government per diem rate or the equivalent for the areas in which the inspections are performed per-day, per-representative for subsistence expenses, where necessary. In the event that the standard rates applicable to FDA supervision of court-ordered compliance are modified, these rates shall be increased or decreased without further order of the Court.”

Are you getting the picture here? The FDA can simply show up on a “surprise” inspection, bring ten FDA agents, bill the company for thousands of hours, and bankrupt the company while padding its own pockets.

Doesn’t this sound a lot like the King’s Consent Decree against the American colonies? The FDA’s agreement reads amazingly like a document a King might force his subjects to sign as he’s taking over their land and gold, imprisoning them in his kingdom.

But it gets better: The FDA also requires the Defendants to reveal all sorts of details about their business operations:

“Within ten (10) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall provide FDA a list of all domain names and IP addresses they use to market or describe any product, regardless of whether such sites mention specific products Defendants sell.

Defendants shall notify the District Director, FDA Detroit District Office, in writing at least fifteen (15) calendar days before any change in ownership, character, or name of its business.

If Defendants fail to comply with any of the provisions of this Decree, including any time frame imposed by this Decree, then, on motion of the United States in this proceeding, Defendants Brownwood Acres and/or Cherry Capital shall pay to the United States of America the sum of one thousand dollars ($1,000) in liquidated damages per violation per day so long as such violation continues.

Should the United States bring, and prevail in, a contempt action to enforce the terms of this Decree, Defendants shall, in addition to other remedies, reimburse the United States for its attorneys* fees, investigational expenses, expert witness fees, travel expenses incurred by attorneys and witnesses, and administrative court costs relating to such contempt proceedings.

And finally, just to make sure everybody knows who’s in charge, here’s what the agreement says about final judgment:

All decisions specified in this Decree shall be vested in the discretion of FDA and shall be final.

In other words, the FDA is the King. It is above the law. It answers to no one but itself.

Welcome to the United States of Tyranny, FDA style.

The full text of the FDA’s agreement, including the names of the top FDA criminals who signed it, is included at the end of this article.

take any other measures necessary to monitor and ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. During such inspections, FDA representatives shall be permitted prompt access to buildings, equipment, in-process and finished materials, containers, labeling and other materials therein; to take photographs and make video recordings; to take samples of Defendants’ finished and unfinished materials and products, containers, labels, labeling, and other promotional materials; and to examine and copy all records relating to the receipt, manufacture, processing, packing, labeling, promoting, holding, and distribution of any and all Defendants’ products in order to ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. The inspections shall be permitted upon presentation of a copy of this Decree and appropriate credentials. The inspection authority granted by this Decree is separate from, and in addition to, the authority to conduct inspections under the Act, 21 U.S.C. §374.

http://www.naturalnews.com/024567.html

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This brand of tyranny is reserved for health supplement companies
While the FDA gives drug companies a free pass of easy approval for dangerous drugs, this Consent Decree is the kind of treatment it slams down upon health product companies. As you can see from the text in the decree, above, this is a document of outright tyranny and oppression.

Any company signing this document gives the FDA all the tools it needs to drive that company completely out of business. Sadly, dozens of companies have signed this in just the last year. The FDA’s reign of terror is working. It’s putting health companies out of business and forcing them to censor themselves. It even forces them to remove all web links to information sources like NaturalNews.com or peer-reviewed science journals.

This is all part of the FDA’s campaign of health illiteracy — a war of disinformation being waged against the American people. It is a secret war being fought out of the view of the mainstream media (which refuses to report this story) and far from the scrutiny of the U.S. Dept. of Justice (which doesn’t care about the real tyrants running loose in this country).

As I have often stated here on NaturalNews.com, the FDA is an out-of-control, rogue agency engaged in acts of terrorism against the American people. By itself, it is negligent in the deaths of tens of millions of Americans, and it has taken it upon itself to increase the body count by making sure consumers have zero access to honest, truthful, scientifically-validated information about the healing properties of health supplements.

The FDA, by any account, is a much greater threat to the security and safety of the American people than any terrorist group, and if the U.S. really wanted to fight terror and tyranny, it would start by arresting top FDA officials at gunpoint. Those targeted for arrest and prosecution should also include the lawyers and paper pushers involved in this very agreement (see their names on the legal documents at the end of this article).

In my view, these people are the real criminals at work here. They are the masterminds of this campaign of extortion and terror being leveled against health companies by the rogue U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Much like Hitler’s top generals, they play an important role in the mass disinformation that’s resulting in the needless death of millions of people. By any account, they are all guilty of crimes against humanity and should be arrested and prosecuted as such. We should all be so fortunate to live to the day where we can see these white-collar criminals behind bars, perhaps sharing their jail cells with other war criminals from the Bush Administration.

Sign this or you’ll be arrested
What you haven’t yet seen in all this is the barrage of threats leveled against companies if they don’t sign this Consent Decree! Company executives receive both written and verbal threats from top FDA “enforcement officers” who claim they will “throw you in prison” if you don’t sign the agreement.

Every major health trade show hosts an FDA compliance officer (much like a Nazi Gestapo officer) whose job it is to walk the show floor and threaten companies into compliance. This includes shows like Expo West and Expo East, where show organizers also serve as de facto FDA agents themselves, barring the participation of exhibitors who dare to tell the truth about their natural products. This smacks of KGB secret police operations in the former Soviet Union. But secret FDA police are now a reality in the United States of America.

NaturalNews has learned of numerous verbal threats from FDA compliance officers directed at health supplement companies during trade shows, including threats to “put you out of business,” “throw you in prison” or “take every last dollar you’ve ever earned.”

FDA compliance officers are the foot soldiers of the agency’s war against the truth. They seek out any health claim that might inform consumers about the properties of nutritional supplements, then they work to squash such statements before they become too well known. In essence, they are censorship officers who enforce nutritional illiteracy and prevent knowledge from being shared.

As such, they are acting not merely as secret police on a mission to destroy small American businesses; they are actually agents of disinformation, bent on destroying knowledge and enforcing a system of mandatory ignorance. This is entirely consistent with the FDA’s history of ordering the destruction of recipe books that promoted the use of the natural herb stevia, among many other examples of information suppression.

The FDA’s campaign of health illiteracy and enforced ignorance
It is the FDA’s position that there is no such thing as any food, beverage, supplement or herb that has any health benefit whatsoever. Merely making such a claim instantly qualifies your product as a “new and unapproved drug,” according to the FDA.

Officially, the FDA claims all health products are inert and have no properties other than their macronutrients (fiber, carbohydrates, protein, etc.).

There is only one class of substances that have any biological effect on the human body, the FDA claims: Pharmaceuticals. Only those patented, synthetic chemicals are allowed to be described as having benefits to human health.

This convenient position is entirely consistent with the protection of the profits of drug companies. It’s no coincidence that the drug companies fund the FDA through “user fees,” and most FDA employees are dependent on drug company money… except, of course, those FDA people earning their living by extorting millions of dollars from health product companies.

The upshot of the FDA’s campaign against health supplements is that most of the American people remain nutritionally illiterate, oblivious to the scientifically-validated health benefits offered by tens of thousands of different nutrients, plants, supplements and products. To say that zinc speeds healing, or that vitamin D prevents cancer, or that resveratrol lowers high cholesterol is common sense in the scientific community, but it’s a crime in the eyes of the FDA.

It’s time to stop the FDA’s reign of terror over health supplements
It is time to end the FDA’s extortion racket, restore Free Speech rights to health supplements, and bring the organized crime kingpins at the FDA to justice.

NaturalNews is organizing a list of companies who wish to help fund legal action against the FDA. We intend to take part in a lawsuit against the FDA that would reign in the FDA’s control over nutritional supplements and defend health freedoms for American consumers.

To do this, we need to gather information from those companies who are willing to help fund this legal action, which may cost several hundred thousand dollars. If you represent a company willing to take part in this legal action against the FDA, contact us now at StopTheFDA@naturalnews.com

Simply email us your name and contact phone number. We’ll contact you to continue the conversation. Any information sent to us is kept strictly confidential. We will refuse to turn over such information even with a court order.

With enough support from the natural products community, we will take part in the reporting and grassroots organization of this legal action.

We must stop the FDA now
It is the belief of NaturalNews that the FDA is being run as a system of organized crime, using the exact same extortion tactics as the Mob. Through intimidation, censorship and threats of imprisonment, the FDA is right now extorting tens of millions of dollars from the very same health supplement companies you depend on to bring you lifesaving, disease-reversing products.

Even worse, the FDA is getting away with it. Backed by the threat of imprisonment and the ability to conduct armed raids against health product companies (see the history of armed FDA raids against vitamin companies here: http://www.naturalnews.com/021791.html ), the FDA is able to overpower health product companies when they stand alone.

The industry must band together if it hopes to defend itself against this tyranny. A lone villager cannot defend himself against a band of marauders, but an organized and well-defended band of villagers can fight off attackers many times their size. If it wishes to survive, the natural products industry must band together and defend itself against the FDA. It must take back its right to tell the truth about health supplements, and it must forever banish censorship and ignorance from the health products marketplace.

The FDA will not stop its reign of terror, you see, until every health supplement companies is silenced, every company founder is imprisoned and every consumer is enslaved in a state of outright nutritional illiteracy. They will seize products and let them rot in warehouses; they’ll recruit armed law enforcement personnel to conduct SWAT-style raids on vitamin shops; they’ll extort millions of dollars from health companies and pocket the profits; and they’ll do it all while burning taxpayer dollars and claiming they’re working to “protect” consumers from natural health products like cherry juice concentrate, which is of course so incredibly dangerous that we need an entire government agency just to make sure we don’t find out it might ease arthritis inflammation.

What you can do right now to help halt the FDA’s reign of terror
As a consumer, you can use your voice to help stop the FDA from destroying the natural products marketplace. Simply go to www.ReformFDA.org and sign the petition there.

It’s sponsored by the American Association for Health Freedom (AAHF), an organization fighting to end the FDA’s tyrannical rule over the health of the American people.

Sign that petition and spread the word: NaturalNews and the AAHF are working together to bring back honesty, freedom and free speech to the health supplements industry, and we need your help to get it done.

You can also protest the FDA with your Congressperson or Senator. Contact them and insist that they support efforts to end the reign of FDA tyranny and reestablish Free Speech rights for nutritional supplement companies.

Notably, Rep. Ron Paul has sponsored the Health Freedom Protection Act, which you can read here: http://www.StopFDACensorship.org

Grab your cameras, folks
Finally, NaturalNews urges those in the natural health community to go out and buy video cameras and still cameras and start snapping photos of rogue FDA agents arresting people, seizing products, accepting bribes or other outrageous acts. We cannot simply lie down and let the FDA march in to our company warehouses and seize products. One video can change the world. It’s up to you to get that video recorded and get it to us here at NaturalNews. Use our feedback form to contact us: www.NaturalNews.com/feedback.html

We’ve also opened up an audio tips line, where FDA employees who wish to leak information to NaturalNews can anonymously call us and leave a message: (323) 924-1664

With your help, we will soon start publishing videos and photos showing FDA agents directly engaged in acts of tyranny against health companies. And for those who’d like to earn some extra money snapping photos, we’re willing to pay you for photos of FDA “compliance officers” walking trade show floors where they threaten companies in person. Contact us for details if you’re a photographer with a long lens who would like to start earning money snapping photos of FDA agents engaged in their dirty work.

It’s time to shed light on the real actions of the FDA. We can no longer sit back and allow this criminal organization to operate in secret. But grabbing the public’s attention all comes down to getting this on video. This is the YouTube era. If it’s not on video, it doesn’t exist. But if it’s on video, we can likely get it on mainstream news. (I can see it now: the FDA raids a warehouse and handcuffs the screaming, crying business owner. And why? Because their bottle said, “Eases inflammation.” The public won’t stand for it.)

The FDA, of course, will have its own people doing the same thing to people like me. They’re trying to catch us eating at McDonald’s or going through the local pharmacy drive-thru. All I can say about that is they’ll be waiting a long, long time to see that day!

Please forward this story to everyone you know. We the People must either prevail in this fight for our freedom, or we will all end up illiterate, imprisoned or silenced. The FDA will take away your rights, your speech and your health, and it will laugh all the way to the bank while it steals your hard-earned money. It will break every law, ignore every court order and commit every crime necessary to bring health companies into line… UNLESS we fight back and do our part to end this grave threat to our health, safety and freedoms.

The FDA is the enemy of the People. It is a criminal organization bent on destroying American freedoms and consumer health. It operates with impunity, using its own secret compliance officers, wreaking death and destruction across our nation like a dark plague unleashed. If we hope to ever regain our health, our freedoms and the basic human right to tell the truth about the healing properties of simple foods, then we must bring this agency to justice and prosecute its mob bosses for their many crimes against the People.

It is time to stand up for your health freedoms, or lose them forever. Please join me in this courageous stand against tyranny and oppression.

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BIG DADDY called this about 4 years ago.

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Well I guess soon were stuck with pharmaceuticals and frankenfood exclusively.

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That article is really, REALLY one-sided.

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That article is really, REALLY one-sided.

I agree it's slanted towards the truth about the FDA, we need more corporate media lies in there to make it fair and balanced. Perhaps an ad for lipitor?

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Petition to Reform the FDA
The American Association for Health Freedom (AAHF) is leading a campaign to reform the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). We ask you to join with us in signing the Reform FDA Petition presented below. This petition will be delivered to Congress.

Late last year, the US government released a 60 page report entitled: FDA Science and Mission at Risk. A more honest title would have been: FDA Science and Mission in Shambles.

Apart from its title, however, the report was forthright. Here are a few direct quotes from the table of contents:

Major finding: "The FDA cannot fulfill its mission because its scientific base... is weak...."
Major Finding: "The FDA cannot fulfill its mission because its scientific workforce does not have sufficient capacity and capability."
Finding: "FDA does not have the capacity to ensure the safety of food for the nation."
Finding: “The development of medical products based on 'new science' cannot adequately be regulated by the FDA.”
These failures affect the health of all Americans. Good drugs are not approved or approved after interminable delays. Even after new drugs are shown to be safe, doctors cannot use them with terminally ill patients whose cases are otherwise hopeless. Bad drugs are approved -- often on the basis of a recommendation by panels whose members include drug company consultants.

The record with the food supply is almost as bad as with drugs. When fresh food turns out to be contaminated, the only solution the Agency can come up with is to "nuke" it with radiation. What does this do to food? The FDA certainly does not know. If irradiated salad is not unappetizing enough, how about cloned meat, also recently approved.

A veritable revolution is taking place in the science of food, food extracts, and food supplements. Food producers would like to tell the American public about it. Millions of lives could be saved as a result. But the FDA will not permit it. The Agency ignores first amendment protections and censors the communication of valid scientific information.

To persuade Congress to address the comprehensive failure of the FDA, a Petition to Reform the FDA has been drafted. Your signature is vital. We must collect such a large number of names on the Petition that it compels Congressional Action. We will hand deliver the petition to Congressional leaders and urge them to enact comprehensive FDA reform. Congress already knows that the FDA represents a serious problem. This petition will help move them to take the urgent action required.

Send this petition to:
Elected Representative
In November 2007, a 60-page report entitled FDA Science and Mission at Risk was released by the FDA. In this report, the agency admitted that it lacks the competency and capacity to keep up with scientific advances.

The FDA now admits that Americans are suffering and dying because the FDA does not have the scientific ability to ascertain if new drugs are safe or effective or to evaluate scientific claims.

Meanwhile the FDA censors the communication of scientific information and opposes or bans cheaper and often more effective natural remedies in a misguided effort to maintain an FDA-approved drug monopoly.

Some members of Congress think that giving the FDA more money will solve these problems. But the FDA report itself admits that the agency's scientific ineptitude is not solely due to a lack of money. We should not give the admittedly incompetent FDA any more tax dollars. And we should not finance it with drug company money either because then the agency no longer works solely for the public. Rather than give the failed FDA more money, give it instead a total reform and restructuring.

A reformed FDA should liberate consumers from the chains of archaic medical restrictions that cause millions of Americans to needlessly suffer and die each year. It should support, not censor and hold back, science and innovation.

This should not be viewed as a political issue. Think of what will happen when your next family member (or you) suffers a health catastrophe that cannot be cured because the admittedly incompetent FDA failed to allow or approve a safe and effective therapy.

We, the citizens whose signatures appear below, respectfully request immediate action to reform the FDA. A total overhaul is urgently needed. Everything about the FDA must be taken apart, reviewed, redefined, and recreated so that it supports, not obstructs, the mission of advancing medical science and vibrant good health for all.



Signed by:
[Your name]
[Your address]

Sign the Petition!

http://www.reformfda.org/

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I agree it's slanted towards the truth about the FDA, we need more corporate media lies in there to make it fair and balanced. Perhaps an ad for lipitor?

There was an old man I knew on the net, who was on lipitor. He noticed it after taking it that he was falling down and his muscles weren't working. He put up a thread on it. I told him about the law suits on it for that exact reason. His wife even worked in medical too. She didn't know about it. I referred him to a site on the class action suits on lipitor (as well as other drugs) and he was mad he was never warned about it to that degree. So he went back to his doctor about it along with his wife and the doctor admitted that had happened to some and there were lawsuits against the maker of the drug. It's funny because my next door neighbor is a pharmacist and he tells me what drugs are not good. He said they know more about the drug than the doctors. Anyhow, he got himself off that drug via his doctor and was happy to have the information.

Cholesterol can be reduced using prescription niacin and fish oil very effectively and for a lot less money too. I've seen it happen and under a doctor's advice too. Big Pharma hates the health industry. It's competition. So they use govt saying certain things aren't safe so only they have the reputation and respect for healing and making people well.

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"This brand of tyranny is reserved for health supplement companies"

Not exactly. I've read of similar FDA provisions that affect small farms and food produceers.

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Holy shit wait a minute.

You mean to tell me that you distrust the medical profession and "big pharm" as you call it, but you trust the supplemental market which is absolutely overflowing with scams and snake oil salesmen?

What the hell man. Is this bizarro world or what?

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Holy shit wait a minute.

You mean to tell me that you distrust the medical profession and "big pharm" as you call it, but you trust the supplemental market which is absolutely overflowing with scams and snake oil salesmen?

What the hell man. Is this bizarro world or what?

The whole point is we do not need an FDA that takes money from one entity that is trying to put another entity out of business. I fail to see how this protects anyone? I want to make my own decisions on these matters and free discussion along with testimonials from those whom have nothing to gain goes a long way in my book.

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"This brand of tyranny is reserved for health supplement companies"

Not exactly. I've read of similar FDA provisions that affect small farms and food produceers.

Agreed! ;)

[KILLER_CLOWN]

There was an old man I knew on the net, who was on lipitor. He noticed it after taking it that he was falling down and his muscles weren't working. He put up a thread on it. I told him about the law suits on it for that exact reason. His wife even worked in medical too. She didn't know about it. I referred him to a site on the class action suits on lipitor (as well as other drugs) and he was mad he was never warned about it to that degree. So he went back to his doctor about it along with his wife and the doctor admitted that had happened to some and there were lawsuits against the maker of the drug. It's funny because my next door neighbor is a pharmacist and he tells me what drugs are not good. He said they know more about the drug than the doctors. Anyhow, he got himself off that drug via his doctor and was happy to have the information.

Cholesterol can be reduced using prescription niacin and fish oil very effectively and for a lot less money too. I've seen it happen and under a doctor's advice too. Big Pharma hates the health industry. It's competition. So they use govt saying certain things aren't safe so only they have the reputation and respect for healing and making people well.

Great point, exactly why we should have freedom of choice in this country.

[BucEyedPea]

Holy shit wait a minute.

You mean to tell me that you distrust the medical profession and "big pharm" as you call it, but you trust the supplemental market which is absolutely overflowing with scams and snake oil salesmen?

What the hell man. Is this bizarro world or what?

I love how you twist communications around, altering them and restating the claims to some blanket generality. You need to knock off the strawman arguments and dubbing in more than is stated.

I use both. There are fallacies on both sides. But there are more deaths from properly prescribed prescription drugs than than are from guns. And there are iatrogenic illnesses too. I seen and read some amazing testimonials by some people whose problem was not handled with allopathic western medicine who were handled with an alternative. They use more low tech health care in Europe.

All drugs are toxic for the body. Some are vital and necessary. But there's no need to suppress other alternatives. Or for certain industries to use govt connections to do so. That's unAmerican. Not to mention that it's big pharma that funds med schools with grants leading to one way to treat things. Nice monopoly there. It's no wonder western docs know little about nutrition.

Drugs should be used far less or in conjunction with rebuilding the body's health if the drug is the only immediate solution. Example: over-using antibiotics. Sometimes one has to. So rebuild the gut with pro-biotics and B1 which get destroyed by the antibiotic. Most of one's immune system is in their gastro-intestinal tract. People today tend to need the expensive or high tech treatments because they haven't taken care of themselves properly and have let themselves go. The American diet is a big factor. And one's odds of getting sick in a hospital are not low. Look what's happening to Brady with that staph infection which is not under control. Staph infections are on the rise in hospitals.

[whoman69]

The biggest problem is the claim of extortion being presented by this line "Part of the settlement, of course, involves the payment of FDA employees or contractors who pocket the money extorted from health companies." while that is never substantiated in the article. You may not like what the FDA is doing, but that is a long ways from it being extortion.

[Ari Chi3fs]

Learn about Monsanto... people. Learn. Open your mind... Monsanto wants to 'patent' all foods... they have to rid themselves of some competition first.

Those pesky nutrients... who needs them?!

[BucEyedPea]

The biggest problem is the claim of extortion being presented by this line "Part of the settlement, of course, involves the payment of FDA employees or contractors who pocket the money extorted from health companies." while that is never substantiated in the article. You may not like what the FDA is doing, but that is a long ways from it being extortion.

It may or may not be extortion. I didn't even read the whole article. More that I wanted to make a plug that the FDA doesn't always protect us and special interests do use govt to prevent competition under "safety" concerns. Just read the history in the 19th century on how homepathic medicine was more widespread. The allopathic guys were more distrusted then. The medical profession used law to consolidate for monopoly protection. It does happen. It's not uncommon. I mean how do you think Nutrasweet go approved as safe? I don't recall all the details but there was a former guy from CocaCola, a company wanting it approved, who went to the FDA and helped get it passed. Meanwhile saccharin is banned but legal in Canada. It's safer than Nutrasweet, which also makes people fat despite being a sugar replacement.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

The Full Consent Decree of Permanent Injunction
Here's the full text of the Consent Decree in case you want to read it yourself.

February 12, 2008 3:11 PM

RONALD C. WESTON, SR., CLERK

U.S. DISTRICT COURT WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

Plaintiff,

v.

BROWNWOOD ACRES FOODS, INC., and CHERRY CAPITAL SERVICES, INC. d.b.a. FLAVONOID SCIENCES, corporations, and STEPHEN C. de TAR and ROBERT L. UNDERWOOD, individuals,

Defendants.

Plaintiff, United States of America, having commenced this action by filing its Complaint for Permanent Injunction, and Brownwood Acres Foods, Inc. ("Brownwood Acres") and Cherry Capital Services, Inc., d.b.a. Flavonoid Sciences ("Cherry Capital"), corporations, and Stephen C. de Tar and Robert L. Underwood, individuals (hereafter collectively, "Defendants"), having appeared and consented to the entry of this Decree without contest and before any testimony was taken, and the United States of America, having consented to this Decree;

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED as follows: 1. This Court has jurisdiction over the subject matter of this action and has personal jurisdiction over all parties to this action.

CIVIL NO

1:08-cv-148

HON Paul L Maloney

US District Judge

CONSENT DECREE OF PERMANENT INJUNCTION

2. The Complaint for Permanent Injunction states a cause of action against Defendants under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, 21 U.S.C. §§ 301-397 (the "Act").

3. Defendants violate the Act, 21 U.S.C. § 331 (d), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce new drugs within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. § 321 (p) that are neither approved under 21 U.S.C. § 355(a), nor exempt from approval pursuant to 21 U.S.C. § 355(t).

4. Defendants violate the Act, 21 U.S.C. § 331 (a), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. § 352(f)(1).

5. Defendants violate the Act, 21 U.S.C. § 331(a), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce food that is misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. §343(r)(1)(B).

6. Upon entry of this Decree, Defendants and each and all of their directors, officers, agents, representatives, employees, attorneys, successors, assigns, and any and all persons in active concert or participation with any of them who receive actual notice of this Decree by personal service or otherwise, are permanently restrained and enjoined from introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce any product unless and until:

A. An approved new drug application or abbreviated new drug application filed pursuant to 21 U.S.C. § 355(a) or (j) is effective with respect to the product; or

B. An effective investigational new drug exemption filed pursuant to 21 U.S.C. § 355(i) is in effect for the product; or

C. The product's claims comport with an authorized health claim set forth in 21 C.F.R. § 101.72-101.83; or

D. Defendants have received a letter of enforcement discretion for a qualified health claim from FDA for that product; or

E. Defendants have:

(i) removed all claims from Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media that cause that product to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act; and

(ii) removed, from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants, references to or endorsements of any other website that conveys information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act.

7. Upon entry of this Decree, Defendants and each and all of their directors, officers, agents, representatives, employees, attorneys, successors, assigns, and any and all persons in active concert or participation with any of them who receive actual

notice of this Decree by personal service or otherwise, are permanently restrained and enjoined from directly or indirectly doing or causing to be done any act that:

A. Violates 21 U.S.C. § 331(d), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce new drugs within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. § 321 (p) that are neither approved pursuant to 21 U.S.C. § 355(a), nor exempt from approval pursuant to 21 U.S.C. §355(i);

B. Violates 21 U.S.C. § 331(a), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C.

§ 352(f)(1); and

C. Violates 21 U.S.C. § 331(a), by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce food that is misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. § 343(r)(1)(B).

8. Within ten (10) calendar days of FDA's request for any labels, labeling, promotional materials, and/or downloaded copies (on CD-Rom) of any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants, Defendants shall submit a copy of the requested materials to FDA at the address specified in paragraph 19.

9. Within twenty (20) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall submit to FDA a certification of compliance, signed by each of the individually-named Defendants in this matter, each Defendant stating that he: (a) has personally reviewed

all of Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and the internet websites referred to in paragraph 8 above; and (b) personally certifies that the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and internet websites strictly comply with the requirements of the Act and its regulations and do not include unapproved or unauthorized claims that the products cure, mitigate, treat, prevent and/or reduce the risk of disease. Thereafter, Defendants shall submit certifications of compliance every three (3) months for a period of two (2) years.

10. Within fourteen (14) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall retain an independent person or persons (the "expert"), without personal, financial (other than the consulting agreement between the parties), or familial ties to Defendants or their immediate families, who by reason of background, experience, education, and training is qualified to assess Defendants' compliance with the Act, to review the claims Defendants make for all of their products on their product labels, labeling, promotional material, any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants, including, but not limited to, the websites referred to in paragraph 8 above. At the conclusion of the expert's review, the expert shall prepare a written report analyzing whether Defendants are operating in compliance with the Act and in particular, certify whether Defendants have omitted all claims from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media, that make any of their products drugs and/or constitute unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act. The expert shall also review Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants to determine whether these include any references to or endorsements of any other

websites that convey information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act, and certify in the written report whether Defendants have omitted any such references or endorsements. The expert shall submit this report to FDA and Defendants within thirty-five (35) calendar days of the entry of this Decree. If the expert reports any violations of the Act, Defendants shall, within seven (7) calendar days of receipt of the report, correct those deviations, unless FDA notifies Defendants that a shorter time period is necessary.

11. If, at any time after this Decree has been entered, FDA determines, based on the results of an inspection, the analyses of Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants that convey information about Defendants' products, a report prepared by Defendants' expert, or any other information, that additional corrective actions are necessary to achieve compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, or this Decree, FDA may, as and when it deems necessary, direct Defendants, in writing, to take one or more of the actions:

A. Cease manufacturing, processing, packing, labeling, holding, and/or distributing any article(s);

B. Submit additional reports or information to FDA;

C. Recall any article(s) at Defendants' expense; or

D. Take any other reasonable corrective action(s) as FDA, in its discretion, deems necessary to bring Defendants and their products into compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, and this Decree.

12. Any cessation of operations as described above shall continue until FDA notifies Defendants in writing that Defendants appear to be in compliance with the.Act and the requirements of this Decree, and that Defendants may resume operations. Such notification by FDA may not be unreasonably delayed.

13. Duly authorized representatives of FDA shall be permitted, without prior notice and as and when FDA deems necessary, to make inspections of Defendants' facilities and, without prior notice, take any other measures necessary to monitor and ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. During such inspections, FDA representatives shall be permitted prompt access to buildings, equipment, in-process and finished materials, containers, labeling and other materials therein; to take photographs and make video recordings; to take samples of Defendants' finished and unfinished materials and products, containers, labels, labeling, and other promotional materials; and to examine and copy all records relating to the receipt, manufacture, processing, packing, labeling, promoting, holding, and distribution of any and all Defendants' products in order to ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. The inspections shall be permitted upon presentation of a copy of this Decree and appropriate credentials. The inspection authority granted by this Decree is separate from, and in addition to, the authority to conduct inspections under the Act, 21 U.S.C. §374.

14. Defendants shall reimburse FDA for the costs of all FDA inspections, investigations, supervision, reviews, examinations, and analyses specified in this Decree or that FDA deems necessary to evaluate Defendants' compliance with this Decree. For the purposes of this Decree, inspections include FDA's review and

analysis of Defendants' claims for their products in the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, any and all websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and any and all websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants that convey information about Defendants' products. The costs of such inspections shall be borne by Defendants at the prevailing rates in effect at the time the costs are incurred. As of the date that this Decree is signed by the parties, these rates are: $78.09 per hour and fraction thereof per representative for inspection work; $93.61 per hour or fraction thereof per representative for analytical or review work; $0,485 per mile for travel expenses by automobile; government rate or the equivalent for travel by air or other means; and the published government per diem rate or the equivalent for the areas in which the inspections are performed per-day, per-representative for subsistence expenses, where necessary. In the event that the standard rates applicable to FDA supervision of court-ordered compliance are modified, these rates shall be increased or decreased without further order of the Court.

15. Within ten (10) calendar days after the entry of this Decree, Defendants shall provide a copy of this Decree, by personal service or certified mail (restricted delivery, return receipt requested), to each and all of its directors, officers, agents, representatives, employees, successors, assigns, attorneys, and any and all persons in active concert or participation with any of them (including "doing business as" entities) (hereafter collectively referred to as "associated persons"). Wthin thirty-five (35) calendar days of the date of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall provide to FDA an affidavit of compliance, stating the fact and manner of compliance with the provisions of this paragraph and identifying the names and positions of all associated persons who

have received a copy of this Decree and the manner of notification. In the event that Defendants become associated, at any time after the entry of this Decree, with new associated persons, Defendants shall: (a) within fifteen (15) calendar days of such association, provide a copy of this Decree to each such associated person by personal service or certified mail (restricted delivery, return receipt requested), and (b) on a quarterly basis, notify FDA in writing when, how, and to whom the Decree was provided.

16. Within ten (10) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall post a copy of this Decree on a bulletin board in a common area at any of their manufacturing or distribution facilities, and shall ensure that the Decree remains posted for a period of twelve (12) months at each location.

17. Wthin ten (10) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall provide FDA a list of all domain names and IP addresses they use to market or describe any product, regardless of whether such sites mention specific products Defendants sell. Defendants thereafter shall notify FDA within ten (10) days of any change to this list (either additions or deletions).

18. Defendants shall notify the District Director, FDA Detroit District Office, in writing at least fifteen (15) calendar days before any change in ownership, character, or name of its business, such as dissolution, assignment, or sale resulting in the emergence of a successor corporation, the creation or dissolution of subsidiaries, franchises, affiliates, or "doing business as" entities, or any other change in the corporate structure of Defendants Brownwood Acres or Cherry Capital, or in the sale or assignment of any business assets, such as buildings, equipment, or inventory, that may affect compliance with this Decree. Defendants shall provide a copy of this Decree to any potential successor or assignee at least fifteen (15) calendar days before any sale or assignment. Defendants shall furnish FDA with an affidavit of compliance with this paragraph no later than ten (10) calendar days prior to such assignment or change in ownership.

19. All notifications, certifications, reports, correspondence, and other communications to FDA required by this Decree shall be addressed to the Director, FDA Detroit District Office, 300 River Place, Suite 5900, Detroit, Michigan 48207.

20. If Defendants fail to comply with any of the provisions of this Decree, including any time frame imposed by this Decree, then, on motion of the United States in this proceeding, Defendants Brownwood Acres and/or Cherry Capital shall pay to the United States of America the sum of one thousand dollars ($1,000) in liquidated damages per violation per day so long as such violation continues. For the purposes of this paragraph, a "violation" is defined as each time any Defendant introduces or delivers for introduction into interstate commerce any product that is accompanied by (on the product's label, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, or in any other media) a claim(s) that causes the product to be a drug or constitutes a health claim within the meaning of the Act, unless the product is an approved new drug or such claim is authorized by FDA.

21. Should the United States bring, and prevail in, a contempt action to enforce the terms of this Decree, Defendants shall, in addition to other remedies, reimburse the United States for its attorneys* fees, investigational expenses, expert witness fees, travel expenses incurred by attorneys and witnesses, and administrative court costs relating to such contempt proceedings.

22. All decisions specified in this Decree shall be vested in the discretion of FDA and shall be final. If contested, FDA's decisions under this Decree shall be reviewed by the Court under the arbitrary and capricious standard set forth in 5 U.S.C. § 706(2)(A). Review shall be based exclusively on the written record before FDA at the time the decision was made. No discovery shall be taken by either party.

23. If, in FDA's judgment, Defendants maintain a continuous state of compliance with this Decree and the Act for a period of three (3) years after the date of entry of this Decree, and FDA has not notified Defendants that there has been a significant violation of this Decree or the Act during such time, the government will not oppose Defendants' petition to the Court to dissolve the Decree.

24. This Court retains jurisdiction of this action for the purpose of enforcing or modifying this Decree and for the purpose of granting such additional relief as may be necessary or appropriate.

IT IS SO ORDERED:

Dated this_day of_, 2008.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE


FOR PLAINTIFF

CHARLES R. GROSS
United States Attorney Western District of Michigan

W. FRANCESCA FERGUSON
Assistant U.S. Attorney

ALAN J. PHELPS
Trial Attorney
Office of Consumer Litigation Department of Justice Civil Division P.O. Box 386 Washington, D.C. 20044

OF COUNSEL:

JAMES C. STANSEL
Acting General Counsel

GERALD F. MASOUDI
Chief Counsel
Food and Drug Division

ERIC M. BLUMBERG
Deputy Chief Counsel, Litigation

MICHELE LEE SVONKIN
Associate Chief Counsel for Enforcement United States Department of Health and Human Services Office of the General Counsel

[BIG_DADDY]

BIG DADDY called this about 4 years ago.

About 13 years ago they tried to outlaw all supplementation.

The FDA just got through shaking down Kylea which is one of my favorite products.

The FDA and CDC are as corrupt as they get, fortunately more and more people are beginning to figure this out.

Great post once again Killer Clown. :thumb:

[Ari Chi3fs]

About 13 years ago they tried to outlaw all supplementation.

The FDA just got through shaking down Kylea which is one of my favorite products.

The FDA and CDC are as corrupt as they get, fortunately more and more people are beginning to figure this out.

Great post once again Killer Clown. :thumb:

Yeah, look at the FDA board of directors and most of its management.... they come from Monsanto... its like a revolving door.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

What do you all think about the banning of Stevia?

[Donger]

I'm surprised that you are capable of leaving your house, or using your cell phone.

[irishjayhawk]

About 13 years ago they tried to outlaw all supplementation.

The FDA just got through shaking down Kylea which is one of my favorite products.

The FDA and CDC are as corrupt as they get, fortunately more and more people are beginning to figure this out.

Great post once again Killer Clown. :thumb:

Unfortunately, I have a harder time taking you serious when you spout off nonsense about autism's connection with vaccines.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

What do you all think about the banning of Stevia?

The only safe sugar substitute? I didn't hear about it.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Unfortunately, I have a harder time taking you serious when you spout off nonsense about autism's connection with vaccines.

get a clue, then come back.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

I'm surprised that you are capable of leaving your house, or using your cell phone.

were you also surprised to learn the earth is round?

[Donger]

were you also surprised to learn the earth is round?

No.

[Ari Chi3fs]

What do you all think about the banning of Stevia?

its getting banned? What the fuck! The ONLY non caloric sweetener?

This country is ONLY about profits... fuck the well-being of the people... as long as it puts coin in the pockets of the fat cats.

Cock suckers.

[BucEyedPea]

The only safe sugar substitute? I didn't hear about it.

They banned Stevia? I use that. I haven't heard anything. Those bastages.
I've a friend who owns a natural herbal shop and she was raided by the FDA.
She rebottled and renamed everything, had it made someplace else and resells it now. ROFL I love it!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There's been an import ban on stevia since 1991. You can use it as a supplement but not a food additive.

That's the one that drives me fucking crazy, because you know sugar and sug. substitute lobbies helped ban that one.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

There's been an import ban on stevia since 1991. You can use it as a supplement but not a food additive.

That's the one that drives me ****ing crazy, because you know sugar and sug. substitute lobbies helped ban that one.

Shhhhhhh... don't tell anyone but i put it in my tea... I mean i take it as a supplement.

[irishjayhawk]

get a clue, then come back.

Oh, so you also buy into the no-science-backed autism link.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Oh, so you also buy into the no-science-backed autism link.

Yes it's a proven science, Mercury is deadly to humans. Oh i forgot you stand behind the science that considers Carbon Dioxide deadly.

[Silock]

I don't even know where to start on this thread. The FDA and CDC are evil? Please. There may be aspects of each agency that don't always do the right thing (BPA anyone?), but by and large, those kinds of cases are isolated. No system is perfect, but those two agencies do FAR more good than harm.

As for the supplement thing-

Well, it's certainly true that many herbal supplements are beneficial where modern medicines may not be. However, that doesn't mean that every supplement out there is a good thing. There are soooooo many ways to absolutely rape a customer, not only on prices, but on the delivery of actual product, that it's not even funny. 99% of the supplements out there are total bullshit and backed up with zero scientific evidence whatsoever, but are still sold in vast quantities (Hello? Colon cleanses?).

In any case, I don't know what all the hubbub about this Fruitfast thing is, because you can still buy their products, including the cherry juice concentrate. I mean, the gestapo tact certainly raises a lot of panic among the tinfoil hat crowd, but those cases aren't the norm and hardly indicative of the overall functioning of the agency.

[J Diddy]

Yes it's a proven science, Mercury is deadly to humans. Oh i forgot you stand behind the science that considers Carbon Dioxide deadly.


iron is deadly to humans

[Silock]

vitamin c is deadly to humans

So is dihydrogen monoxide.

[J Diddy]

So is dihydrogen monoxide.


yes water is


just like overconsumption of anything

[Ari Chi3fs]

this all ties into Codex Alimentarius.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189568


and


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189879&page=2

[BucEyedPea]

There's been an import ban on stevia since 1991. You can use it as a supplement but not a food additive.

That's the one that drives me ****ing crazy, because you know sugar and sug. substitute lobbies helped ban that one.

As a supplement? I see it in the health food store as a sweetner. I've buying it over the past year too.

[irishjayhawk]

Yes it's a proven science, Mercury is deadly to humans. Oh i forgot you stand behind the science that considers Carbon Dioxide deadly.

ROFL

That was like 10 years ago and was taken care of. Mercury isn't the reason now. And if you'd been paying attention to their arguments you'd know they abandoned that one.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

ROFL

That was like 10 years ago and was taken care of. Mercury isn't the reason now. And if you'd been paying attention to their arguments you'd know they abandoned that one.

Appearantly you don't have a clue, not that i would expect you to. Mercury WAS never removed but the FDA did ask nicely in a pretty please kind of way.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

I don't even know where to start on this thread. The FDA and CDC are evil? Please. There may be aspects of each agency that don't always do the right thing (BPA anyone?), but by and large, those kinds of cases are isolated. No system is perfect, but those two agencies do FAR more good than harm.

As for the supplement thing-

Well, it's certainly true that many herbal supplements are beneficial where modern medicines may not be. However, that doesn't mean that every supplement out there is a good thing. There are soooooo many ways to absolutely rape a customer, not only on prices, but on the delivery of actual product, that it's not even funny. 99% of the supplements out there are total bullshit and backed up with zero scientific evidence whatsoever, but are still sold in vast quantities (Hello? Colon cleanses?).

In any case, I don't know what all the hubbub about this Fruitfast thing is, because you can still buy their products, including the cherry juice concentrate. I mean, the gestapo tact certainly raises a lot of panic among the tinfoil hat crowd, but those cases aren't the norm and hardly indicative of the overall functioning of the agency.

This is America and we should have a choice, I've had enough of the were only here to protect you argument. They already have the disclaimer that the FDA has not approved of these statements, if i want to buy it i should have the right to. Everyone should take responsiblity for their own lives and stop with the nanny state garbage.

[Silock]

You *can* still buy it. What's the problem?

[irishjayhawk]

Appearantly you don't have a clue, not that i would expect you to. Mercury WAS never removed but the FDA did ask nicely in a pretty please kind of way.

:shake: