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jidar
10-30-2008, 10:42 AM
http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/index.html

http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/red-state-socialism.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
10-30-2008, 10:44 AM
:popcorn:

Dave Lane
10-30-2008, 10:45 AM
and the way this election is going it could be only one of the give more states (Texas) will be a non socialist state!

jidar
10-30-2008, 10:49 AM
Maybe if they had better tax and economic policies they wouldn't need so much aid from the feds? I dunno.

donkhater
10-30-2008, 11:01 AM
See how government policies affect the US population? All this post is is basis for resentment from those who pay higher taxes. I pay more, I should get more!!

Now focus that thought on individuals and you can see why those who EARN their wealth are reluctant to have it 'spread' around.

Government programs use some sort of criteria for the distribution of taxes. It stands to reason that those who don't fall under that criteria would resent those that do. That is why 'spreading the wealth around' does more to divide the nation than if the government just stayed the heck out.

Dave Lane
10-30-2008, 11:03 AM
See how government policies affect the US population? All this post is is basis for resentment from those who pay higher taxes. I pay more, I should get more!!

Now focus that thought on individuals and you can see why those who EARN their wealth are reluctant to have it 'spread' around.

Government programs use some sort of criteria for the distribution of taxes. It stands to reason that those who don't fall under that criteria would resent those that do. That is why 'spreading the wealth around' does more to divide the nation than if the government just stayed the heck out.

Again? With a bit of clarity perhaps?

Mecca
10-30-2008, 11:05 AM
This should show you how messed up things are, the poorest states in the union are Republican states, logically that makes no sense.

DaFace
10-30-2008, 11:10 AM
This should show you how messed up things are, the poorest states in the union are Republican states, logically that makes no sense.

Yep. Here's the same data compared to median household income. So the states that stand to gain the most from Obama's tax policies are the least likely to vote for him and vice versa. Intriguing.

Mecca
10-30-2008, 11:11 AM
It shows you how Republicans have milked poor people into voting for them over social issues more than financial ones......they remain poor and vote for a party that doesn't help them because they go to church and don't like gays.

Makes a ton of sense huh?

BigChiefFan
10-30-2008, 11:11 AM
Hijacking religion will do that.

Mr. Kotter
10-30-2008, 11:13 AM
You may want to consider the population of red states, versus blue states....and apply the same concepts as one would consider when discussing economies of scale.

:shrug:

Of course that could side-track the demagoguery, so why bother...eh?

Mecca
10-30-2008, 11:13 AM
Hijacking religion will do that.

Basically, I think it speaks to how easily people can be manipulated, or the stupidity of the public, probably both.

Mr. Kotter
10-30-2008, 11:14 AM
Basically, I think it speaks to how easily people can be manipulated, or the stupidity of the public, probably both.

HINT: Populations and demographics....and economies of scale?

donkhater
10-30-2008, 11:16 AM
It shows you how Republicans have milked poor people into voting for them over social issues more than financial ones......they remain poor and vote for a party that doesn't help them because they go to church and don't like gays.

Makes a ton of sense huh?

Interesting viewpoint. I would argue Democrats do the same thing. They throw welfare programs at the poor when all it does is make a segment of our population dependant on the government, thus remaining poor.

OnTheWarpath58
10-30-2008, 11:17 AM
It shows you how Republicans have milked poor people into voting for them over social issues more than financial ones......they remain poor and vote for a party that doesn't help them because they go to church and don't like gays.

Makes a ton of sense huh?

Have you read What's the matter with Kansas?

jidar
10-30-2008, 11:18 AM
HINT: Populations and demographics....and economies of scale?

I did look at that actually and yes there is a corelation, although I think it is more in step with economies than population.

That's beside the point though. Regardless of why the taxes are being paid the way they are, what explains the voting habits? I mean knowing that the taxes being paid are coming from stronger economies, doesn't explain why people are voting outside of their interests.

jidar
10-30-2008, 11:19 AM
Interesting viewpoint. I would argue Democrats do the same thing. They throw welfare programs at the poor when all it does is make a segment of our population dependant on the government, thus remaining poor.

Well that argument flies in the face of these graphs.

StcChief
10-30-2008, 11:22 AM
so Population density factored in ?

jidar
10-30-2008, 11:29 AM
so Population density factored in ?

You'd think that more population would also lead to more aid.

I'll cut and paste from my previous post...

hat's beside the point though. Regardless of why the taxes are being paid the way they are, what explains the voting habits? I mean knowing that the taxes being paid are coming from stronger economies, doesn't explain why people are voting outside of their interests.

donkhater
10-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Well that argument flies in the face of these graphs.

How so? It clearly shows that the poorer states recieve the most federal aid. One could argue that it is the federal 'aid' that contributes to their plights.

Mecca
10-30-2008, 12:02 PM
Have you read What's the matter with Kansas?

I actually haven't but I know what it's about.

Mecca
10-30-2008, 12:02 PM
How so? It clearly shows that the poorer states recieve the most federal aid. One could argue that it is the federal 'aid' that contributes to their plights.

Should we just pass out some bootstraps instead?

irishjayhawk
10-30-2008, 12:04 PM
HINT: Populations and demographics....and economies of scale?

Hint: People are stupid and easily manipulated.