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Bootlegged
10-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Wonder if he healed her or he went there for something else?


Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing
October 26, 2008
Joan Swirsky
Last week, during the crucial waning days of the presidential campaign, Obama left for Hawaii to visit his 85-year-old grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who had broken her hip. In such bad shape was she - in spite of the hospital's sending her home to heal - that Obama told ABC's Robin Roberts, that "I'm still not sure whether she makes it to Election Day."
Filling in for Obama on the campaign trail in Ohio was his wife, Michelle, who told the crowd that granny was doing just fine.
Did Obama have a dual purpose in traveling to Hawaii, the other being to magically produce the birth certificate proving his eligibility to be president? While he's now back on the campaign trail, he has still failed to produce said certificate!

After a recent article I wrote, My Mother's Birth Certicate - And Obama's, a number of people e-mailed me with FactCheck.org's "proof" of the certificate. But let's not forget that FactCheck is owned by the Annenberg Foundation, the same foundation that gave millions of dollars to Obama and his unrepentant terrorist pal William Ayers for an "education" project. To me, that makes FactCheck ipso facto the least credible source of factual information.

Infinitely more credible is the research done by, among others, Pennsylvania attorney
Philip J. Berg (ObamaCrimes), Chicago journalist Andy Martin, ContrarianCommentaryBlog and author Jerome Corsi (The Obama Nation), who have cast persuasive, data-provided doubt not only that the birth certificate(s) so far produced were blatant forgeries, but that Obama - and his leftwing media lapdogs - have been concealing the fact that he was born in a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, a birth his Kenyan grandmother is on record saying she and Obama's half-brother and half-sister attended.

What else has Obama failed to provide to a public - and an electorate - that deserves to know everything possible about a presidential candidate?

Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.'


No wonder Obama's critics have called him a Manuchurian Candidate, a Trojan Horse, and a stealth candidate! If he has nothing to hide, why on earth is he still be refusing to come clean with the American people? Answer: he clearly has a lot to hide.

THE BERG CASE

In August, Mr. Berg lodged a suit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee.

On October 4, the accused parties filed a Motion to Dismiss.

On October 21, Mr. Berg released the result of his investigation - "Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama" - in which he said that by failing to answer the questions the lawsuit posed, both Obama and the DNC admitted, by default, that the charges were true.

On October 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick threw out Berg's suit, which asked that Obama's name be removed from the November 4 ballot and claimed that if Obama were permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he (Berg) and other voters would be disenfranchised. The judge concluded that Berg's allegations were "too vague and too attenuated."

On October 25, Berg announced in a press release that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court.

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution, Berg said, "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?"

Berg echoed the outrage reverberating throughout the nation at the prospect of Obama so brazenly flouting the U.S. Constitution, the provisions of which are very limited for qualifying a person to run for president: Article II, Section 1: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

"For the first time in history," writes journalist Sher Zieve, "U.S. voters are being asked to choose between continuing the Republic or bending to the will of a totalitarian Communist candidate."

What will the Supreme Court do? As one e-mailer told me: "The Supreme Court may be very loathe to take this case, given that they're still smarting from being accused of `selecting' a president in 2000 and they won't want to be accused of `deselecting" a president" in 2008."

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW?

Big hat tip here to Matt Bruce, a retired fire-rescue captain, who provided the following information.

Currently, lawsuits are being filed in nine states - California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington - that are seeking to require Barack Obama to provide Certification of his Birth in the United States, or to be removed or to remove himself from state ballots. Hawaii, the state in which Obama was supposedly born, is seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Obama's qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.

Every day, new lawsuits are being lodged. For more information about each lawsuit or on how to start your own, contact:

Hawaii: Andy Martin: AndyMart20@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .
WA: Steve Marquis:
peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it (website:http://www.peoplespassion.org/)..
CA: David Archbold: darchbo1@gmail. com.
GA: Tom Terr: kingdommatters@gmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
PA: Philip Berg: philjberg@obamacrim es.com; website http://www.obamacrimes.com/.
NY: Dan Smith: Dansmith1954@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
CT: Cort Wrotnowsk: Metaqubit@aol
Steve Marquis, noted above, is a Washington State resident who last Tuesday filed a suit in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State for the State of Washington, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen.

Marquis said that by "resolving, one way or another, the unanswered questions surrounding Obama's citizenship and background would preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest which would arise should information come to light after the election which shows that the Illinois senator is ineligible to hold the presidency."

Are Obama and the DNC guilty of conspiracy, treason, or sedition? According to Webster's New World College Dictionary:

Conspiracy: Planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason.
Treason: Violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; betrayal of one's country, specifically, in the U.S. (as declared in the Constitution), consisting only in levying war against the U.S. or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.
Sedition: The stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power.

Bootlegged
10-30-2008, 05:50 PM
HONOLULU, Oct. 30 (UPI) -- A rumor kept alive by opponents of Barack Obama has raised questions about the authenticity of the Democratic presidential candidate's birth certificate.

A conservative Web site suggested -- but offered no evidence -- that Obama may have been born beyond of U.S. borders and isn't a "natural born citizen," a presidency requirement, the Chicago Tribune reported Thursday.

The Obama campaign released an electronic copy of the certificate bearing the seal of the state's Department of Health and showing Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu.

When a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh. If this becomes an issue in a post-election eligibility challenge, the argument would be the legal definition in 1961 of how parents could be called U.S. citizens, Volokh said.

Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Tribune state privacy laws and attorney general guidance barred her from confirming the certificate's authenticity.

But, "It looks exactly the same as my own birth certificate," Okubo said.

Republican candidate John McCain faced, and overcame, similar questions because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was stationed

noa
10-30-2008, 06:02 PM
Infinitely more credible is the research done by, among others, Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (ObamaCrimes), Chicago journalist Andy Martin, ContrarianCommentaryBlog and author Jerome Corsi (The Obama Nation)

LMAO

Let's see, one of those is a guy who filed a RICO suit against Bush and Cheney for 9/11 (Berg)
One was not granted admission to the bar because of a "psychiatric finding of moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character." (Martin)
And one wrote the book that swiftboated Kerry, and many of his claims about Obama have already been discredited, so he's not biased is he? (Corsi)

Adept Havelock
10-30-2008, 06:03 PM
I suspect at this point Sen. Obama is withholding it just so he can laugh hysterically at folks naive enough to buy into this kind of tinfoil haberdashery.

Thanks for the evening guffaw, Bootlegged. You never disappoint. LMAO

Bootlegged
10-30-2008, 06:19 PM
I suspect at this point Sen. Obama is withholding it just so he can laugh hysterically at folks naive enough to buy into this kind of tinfoil haberdashery.

Thanks for the evening guffaw, Bootlegged. You never disappoint. LMAO

You are welcome. Whatever I can do to help.

jettio
10-30-2008, 06:30 PM
Don't they have special websites for people gifted enough to understand these high-minded and lucid discussions of current events?

Why is this stuff posted here? I doubt anybody but the threadstarter can figure that kind of stuff out.

PRIEST
10-30-2008, 06:32 PM
http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=145


Can I play:evil:

Thig Lyfe
10-30-2008, 06:33 PM
Sigh... game changer...

Woodrow Call
10-30-2008, 06:50 PM
But Michael Savage insured me that Obama was going there to suffocate her with a pillow.

ChiTown
10-30-2008, 07:48 PM
But Michael Savage insured me that Obama was going there to suffocate her with a pillow.

what sort of INSURANCE did he sell you?
;)

Woodrow Call
10-30-2008, 08:10 PM
what sort of INSURANCE did he sell you?
;)

Hopefully English language Insurance.

:)

StcChief
10-30-2008, 08:16 PM
But Michael Savage insured me that Obama was going there to suffocate her with a pillow.

and the other skin heads won't fail again.

chiefforlife
10-30-2008, 08:19 PM
His grandma didnt die? Well...that proves it then!

The closer we get to the election the worse these people get.:rolleyes:

bango
10-30-2008, 08:21 PM
Wonder if he healed her or he went there for something else?


Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing
October 26, 2008
Joan Swirsky
Last week, during the crucial waning days of the presidential campaign, Obama left for Hawaii to visit his 85-year-old grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who had broken her hip. In such bad shape was she - in spite of the hospital's sending her home to heal - that Obama told ABC's Robin Roberts, that "I'm still not sure whether she makes it to Election Day."
Filling in for Obama on the campaign trail in Ohio was his wife, Michelle, who told the crowd that granny was doing just fine.
Did Obama have a dual purpose in traveling to Hawaii, the other being to magically produce the birth certificate proving his eligibility to be president? While he's now back on the campaign trail, he has still failed to produce said certificate!

After a recent article I wrote, My Mother's Birth Certicate - And Obama's, a number of people e-mailed me with FactCheck.org's "proof" of the certificate. But let's not forget that FactCheck is owned by the Annenberg Foundation, the same foundation that gave millions of dollars to Obama and his unrepentant terrorist pal William Ayers for an "education" project. To me, that makes FactCheck ipso facto the least credible source of factual information.

Infinitely more credible is the research done by, among others, Pennsylvania attorney
Philip J. Berg (ObamaCrimes), Chicago journalist Andy Martin, ContrarianCommentaryBlog and author Jerome Corsi (The Obama Nation), who have cast persuasive, data-provided doubt not only that the birth certificate(s) so far produced were blatant forgeries, but that Obama - and his leftwing media lapdogs - have been concealing the fact that he was born in a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, a birth his Kenyan grandmother is on record saying she and Obama's half-brother and half-sister attended.

What else has Obama failed to provide to a public - and an electorate - that deserves to know everything possible about a presidential candidate?

Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.'


No wonder Obama's critics have called him a Manuchurian Candidate, a Trojan Horse, and a stealth candidate! If he has nothing to hide, why on earth is he still be refusing to come clean with the American people? Answer: he clearly has a lot to hide.

THE BERG CASE

In August, Mr. Berg lodged a suit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee.

On October 4, the accused parties filed a Motion to Dismiss.

On October 21, Mr. Berg released the result of his investigation - "Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama" - in which he said that by failing to answer the questions the lawsuit posed, both Obama and the DNC admitted, by default, that the charges were true.

On October 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick threw out Berg's suit, which asked that Obama's name be removed from the November 4 ballot and claimed that if Obama were permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he (Berg) and other voters would be disenfranchised. The judge concluded that Berg's allegations were "too vague and too attenuated."

On October 25, Berg announced in a press release that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court.

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution, Berg said, "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?"

Berg echoed the outrage reverberating throughout the nation at the prospect of Obama so brazenly flouting the U.S. Constitution, the provisions of which are very limited for qualifying a person to run for president: Article II, Section 1: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

"For the first time in history," writes journalist Sher Zieve, "U.S. voters are being asked to choose between continuing the Republic or bending to the will of a totalitarian Communist candidate."

What will the Supreme Court do? As one e-mailer told me: "The Supreme Court may be very loathe to take this case, given that they're still smarting from being accused of `selecting' a president in 2000 and they won't want to be accused of `deselecting" a president" in 2008."

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW?

Big hat tip here to Matt Bruce, a retired fire-rescue captain, who provided the following information.

Currently, lawsuits are being filed in nine states - California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington - that are seeking to require Barack Obama to provide Certification of his Birth in the United States, or to be removed or to remove himself from state ballots. Hawaii, the state in which Obama was supposedly born, is seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Obama's qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.

Every day, new lawsuits are being lodged. For more information about each lawsuit or on how to start your own, contact:

Hawaii: Andy Martin: AndyMart20@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .
WA: Steve Marquis:
peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it (website:http://www.peoplespassion.org/)..
CA: David Archbold: darchbo1@gmail. com.
GA: Tom Terr: kingdommatters@gmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
PA: Philip Berg: philjberg@obamacrim es.com; website http://www.obamacrimes.com/.
NY: Dan Smith: Dansmith1954@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
CT: Cort Wrotnowsk: Metaqubit@aol
Steve Marquis, noted above, is a Washington State resident who last Tuesday filed a suit in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State for the State of Washington, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen.

Marquis said that by "resolving, one way or another, the unanswered questions surrounding Obama's citizenship and background would preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest which would arise should information come to light after the election which shows that the Illinois senator is ineligible to hold the presidency."

Are Obama and the DNC guilty of conspiracy, treason, or sedition? According to Webster's New World College Dictionary:

Conspiracy: Planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason.
Treason: Violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; betrayal of one's country, specifically, in the U.S. (as declared in the Constitution), consisting only in levying war against the U.S. or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.
Sedition: The stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power.

I am not sure if he did heal her or not, but I have heard that he did not fly or take a boat there so that means that he may have walked on water to get there and back.

Bootlegged
10-30-2008, 08:42 PM
It's just too easy.. :)

Otter
10-30-2008, 08:57 PM
I suspect at this point Sen. Obama is withholding it just so he can laugh hysterically at folks naive enough to buy into this kind of tinfoil haberdashery.

Thanks for the evening guffaw, Bootlegged. You never disappoint. LMAO

Just curious, do you feel someone running for the most powerful position in American should be able to withhold any of this information from the people he'll be working for?

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:03 PM
That skinny lowlife and his greasy wife could give two sh*ts about grandma.

Adept Havelock
10-30-2008, 09:05 PM
Just curious, do you feel someone running for the most powerful position in American should be able to withhold any of this information from the people he'll be working for?

As far as I'm concerned he's not really withholding it. He's published a copy from the state of HI. That's good enough for me, and I'm not voting for the man. All he has done is refuse to produce the original copy from the hospital. :shrug:

IMO, it's nothing more than him tweaking the tinfoil fedora types, and I think it's funny as hell. LMAO

Personally, I think he's a savvy enough politico to realize that the overwhelming majority of people look at these lawsuits and see frivolity filed by paranoid freaks.

noa
10-30-2008, 09:05 PM
That skinny lowlife and his greasy wife could give two sh*ts about grandma.

You stay classy man

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:06 PM
You stay classy man


Yeah ok.

:rolleyes:

B.O. farts and you smell flowers.

Otter
10-30-2008, 09:08 PM
As far as I'm concerned he's not really withholding it. He's published a copy from the state of HI. That's good enough for me, and I'm not voting for the man. :shrug:

IMO, it's nothing more than him tweaking the tinfoil fedora types, and I think it's funny as hell.

Actually I meant all the above:

Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.

I'm not voting for him either I just find it funny the hypocrisy and stupidty of him not having to disclose this information after all the chest thumping when Bush tried to pull off basically this same thing.

noa
10-30-2008, 09:09 PM
Yeah ok.

:rolleyes:

B.O. farts and you smell flowers.

Hardly. You don't have to be enamored with the guy to believe that he gives a shit about his grandma.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:10 PM
Hardly. You don't have to be enamored with the guy to believe that he gives a shit about his grandma.

The typical white person he threw under a bus to protect that POS Wright?

Adept Havelock
10-30-2008, 09:10 PM
Actually I meant all the above:

Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.

I'm not voting for him either I just find it funny the hypocrisy and stupidty of him not having to disclose this information after all the chest thumping when Bush tried to pull off basically this same thing.

I can't say it bothers me.

Heck, part of me wouldn't mind seeing him win, if only for the comedy value from shts prayer, HCF, KCJ, etc. It'd be a change and kind of funny to watch them change roles with jAZ, penchief, etc. :shrug:

PRIEST
10-30-2008, 09:12 PM
Just curious, do you feel someone running for the most powerful position in American should be able to withhold any of this information from the people he'll be working for?



Ask the Families of MIA solders that McCain blocked from getting any help & information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdEQ8DEzUVk

noa
10-30-2008, 09:12 PM
The typical white person he threw under a bus to protect that POS Wright?

Yes.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Yes.


Your boy is a POS.

Own it.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
10-30-2008, 09:16 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

noa
10-30-2008, 09:20 PM
Your boy is a POS.

Own it.

Nope. He said one stupid statement about his grandma. That's all I see.
I'm sure he's a decent guy, cares about his family, etc., but it's more comforting for you to spend every day calling him a slimy, greasy, POS, with no redeemable qualities whatsoever, and anyone who supports him only does so out of delusion. That helps you sleep at night, but it ain't true.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:24 PM
Nope. He said one stupid statement about his grandma. That's all I see.


B.O. is a racist POS who embraced the whole black rage thing and threw his grandma under a bus.

Own it.

noa
10-30-2008, 09:27 PM
B.O. is a racist POS who embraced the whole black rage thing and threw his grandma under a bus.

Own it.

I acknowledged he said something stupid about his grandma. I just think that humans are a little more complex and you can't assess how a guy feels about his grandma based off of one stupid thing said during a political controversy. But like I said, you are drawn to the simple assessments because it makes you feel better.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:30 PM
I acknowledged he said something stupid about his grandma. I just think that humans are a little more complex and you can't assess how a guy feels about his grandma based off of one stupid thing said during a political controversy. But like I said, you are drawn to the simple assessments because it makes you feel better.

B.O. thinks about his grandma about as much as he thinks about his aunt living in a Boston ghetto.

He could give two shits.

noa
10-30-2008, 09:32 PM
B.O. thinks about his grandma about as much as he thinks about his aunt living in a Boston ghetto.

He could give two shits.

Now you can tuck yourself bed and drift off into dreamland cradled by all those thoughts about how big bad Obama is a slime ball. Reality is too scary for you. Sweet dreams.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:33 PM
Now you can tuck yourself bed and drift off into dreamland cradled by all those thoughts about how big bad Obama is a slime ball. Reality is too scary for you. Sweet dreams.

You suffer from cognitive dissonance.

noa
10-30-2008, 09:34 PM
You suffer from cognitive dissonance.

Do tell. I've said stupid things about people I loved before. I've even done shitty things to those people. That didn't change the fact that I care for them.

The idea your espousing is that it is fundamentally impossible for someone to do something crappy like Obama did and still care for his grandma. Very simplistic and comforting to you.

Adept Havelock
10-30-2008, 09:35 PM
You suffer from cognitive dissonance.

LMAO


I do not think it means what you think it means.

J Diddy
10-30-2008, 09:36 PM
You suffer from cognitive dissonance.


You were hurt huh? Did a black man rape you in prison? Is that why you hate?

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:36 PM
Do tell. I've said stupid things about people I loved before. I've even done shitty things to those people. That didn't change the fact that I care for them.

The idea your espousing is that it is fundamentally impossible for someone to do something crappy like Obama did and still care for his grandma. Very simplistic and comforting to you.

B.O. is a fraud and a liar. Why can't you see that?

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:37 PM
You were hurt huh? Did a black man rape you in prison? Is that why you hate?

Dude, you are fucked up.

ROFL

J Diddy
10-30-2008, 09:38 PM
Dude, you are ****ed up.

ROFL



It's okay. there there. doesn't mean all black men are bad

PRIEST
10-30-2008, 09:38 PM
Dude, you are ****ed up.

ROFL



Now thats funnny:deevee:

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:39 PM
It's okay. there there. doesn't mean all black men are bad

Been brushing up, reading Ebony I see.

;)

noa
10-30-2008, 09:39 PM
B.O. is a fraud and a liar. Why can't you see that?

Because I'm deluded and a simply seduced by his celebrity. :rolleyes:

If only I put on my thinking cap I would realize the truth -- that you are right.

Come on man, it's possible to believe that Obama may have some checkered things in his past -- although I don't believe it's anywhere near as checkered and shady and problematic as some in this forum -- and still support him for valid reasons.

J Diddy
10-30-2008, 09:40 PM
Been brushing up, reading Ebony I see.

;)



Is that what he read to you. I'm soo sorry. Just let the pain go.

RJ
10-30-2008, 09:40 PM
She didn't die??????

That old broad has a lot of fucking nerve!

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:41 PM
Is that what he read to you. I'm soo sorry. Just let the pain go.

Don't project your sick twisted fantasies on me.

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/LightBulbs_ForChange.gif

J Diddy
10-30-2008, 09:43 PM
Don't project your sick twisted fantasies on me.

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/LightBulbs_ForChange.gif



Oh say that was good.

***SPRAYER
10-30-2008, 09:49 PM
Oh say that was good.

You dream about bending over to pick up the soap, don't you?

J Diddy
10-30-2008, 09:59 PM
You dream about bending over to pick up the soap, don't you?

You need therapy. You obviously have alot of memories that still haunt you.

NewChief
10-30-2008, 10:03 PM
I can't say it bothers me.

Heck, part of me wouldn't mind seeing him win, if only for the comedy value from shts prayer, HCF, KCJ, etc. It'd be a change and kind of funny to watch them change roles with jAZ, penchief, etc. :shrug:

We've already seen that. For 8 years on here, the Left (of which I'm a, sometimes proud, member) has thrown out conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory about W while the Right has faithfully attempted to discredit and debunk them all. Now we're seeing the roles reversed. It's entertaining in a sad sort of way.

KCJohnny
10-30-2008, 10:06 PM
Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.'


If that doesn't bother you, you are asking to be deceived.

kcfanintitanhell
10-30-2008, 10:47 PM
If that doesn't bother you, you are asking to be deceived.
Have you done the same homework on McCain?

Logical
10-30-2008, 11:10 PM
Dude this is low even for you, nothing changed since he came back, I think you could give the man credit for interrupting his campaign to be at the side of his critically ill grandmother.

Taco John
10-30-2008, 11:19 PM
I can never get into this birth certificate issue, because usually by the third paragraph the writer cites Jerome Corsi, and the credibility of the story takes a nose dive.

Howlin Wolf
10-31-2008, 03:47 AM
there's no birth certificate because obama wasn't born, he was spat on the wall and hatched by the sun. Mystery solved.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 03:42 PM
You are a worthless piece of garbage.

PastorMikH
11-14-2008, 09:12 PM
A what if question for the planet.


IF Obama's Birth Certificate was proven to be a fake and he was declared ineligible to be president, but has been elected, who then would become president? I know Biden would take over if Obama were unable to continue after taking the oath, but what about if Obama is declared ineligible before taking the oath?


I'm not arguing the validity of the Birth Certificate, I'm merely curious as to who would be sworn in if the President Elect were not eligible/able to take office?

banyon
11-14-2008, 09:19 PM
A what if question for the planet.


IF Obama's Birth Certificate was proven to be a fake and he was declared ineligible to be president, but has been elected, who then would become president? I know Biden would take over if Obama were unable to continue after taking the oath, but what about if Obama is declared ineligible before taking the oath?


I'm not arguing the validity of the Birth Certificate, I'm merely curious as to who would be sworn in if the President Elect were not eligible/able to take office?

It would still be Biden per the 20th Amendment (Afterwards, Congress would hold a vote with each state getting 1 collective vote per state):

Amendment 20 - Presidential, Congressional Terms. Ratified 1/23/1933. History

1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

PastorMikH
11-14-2008, 09:26 PM
answer....



Thanks.

orange
11-14-2008, 09:54 PM
Of course, Obama hasn't actually been elected yet.

The Electoral College meets on December 15. If Obama were to be disqualified before that, they could theoretically vote for anyone.

PastorMikH
11-14-2008, 11:15 PM
Of course, Obama hasn't actually been elected yet.

The Electoral College meets on December 15. If Obama were to be disqualified before that, they could theoretically vote for anyone.



Interesting point.

Do they go for the elected VP or the DNC runner up? Or, do they each start voting for separate people, split votes, give the lead to McCain by virtue of the states where republican Electoral voters were chosen, but no canidate gets the <50% needed for election?

jAZ
11-14-2008, 11:18 PM
You are a worthless piece of garbage.

Self-bump

orange
11-14-2008, 11:19 PM
Interesting point.

Do they go for the elected VP or the DNC runner up?

It would be ugly...

... unless one of them bowed out. They are good friends.

PastorMikH
11-14-2008, 11:28 PM
It would be ugly...

... unless one of them bowed out. They are good friends.



I don't see Hillary bowing out if she has any chance at all.

orange
11-14-2008, 11:41 PM
The "one" I was speaking of was Biden...

He got crushed in the Primaries and he'd have to be a fool to think he could beat Hillary in a fistfight. And I don't think he's a fool - though he does suffer from foot-in-mouth disease.

It would come down to the strength of the ABC* faction after Obama.


*Anyone But Clinton.

PastorMikH
11-14-2008, 11:55 PM
The "one" I was speaking of was Biden....




Kinda what I was implying too.


The smart move would be to step down, let Hillary take the nod and serve as her VP.

splatbass
11-15-2008, 02:13 AM
There was a public memorial service for Madeline Dunham today in Honolulu. She was a beloved member of the community here. Some of her friends and former coworkers were interviewed on the local news. She had a big impact on many people's lives. Including our two congresspersons, Neil Abercrombie and Mazie Horono, who worked for Mrs. Dunham at Bank of Hawaii when she was young.

RIP Tutu.

jAZ
11-15-2008, 03:09 AM
There was a public memorial service for Madeline Dunham today in Honolulu. She was a beloved member of the community here. Some of her friends and former coworkers were interviewed on the local news. She had a big impact on many people's lives. Including our two congresspersons, Neil Abercrombie and Mazie Horono, who worked for Mrs. Dunham at Bank of Hawaii when she was young.

RIP Tutu.
Great post. Spruced up this place real nice.

patteeu
11-15-2008, 08:35 AM
Thanks.

Banyon's answer is the one you're looking for, but technically since the electoral college hasn't voted yet, it's anyone's guess who they might choose if this discovery were made before they finalized the deal.

patteeu
11-15-2008, 08:36 AM
Of course, Obama hasn't actually been elected yet.

The Electoral College meets on December 15. If Obama were to be disqualified before that, they could theoretically vote for anyone.

Oops. :redface:

Baby Lee
11-15-2008, 08:38 AM
That skinny lowlife and his greasy wife could give two sh*ts about grandma.

What's wrong buddy? What's with the wife eyes?

***SPRAYER
11-15-2008, 11:00 AM
What's wrong buddy? What's with the wife eyes?


B.O. didn't even go to his grandmother's funeral. Now that is just plain wrong.

Mr. Laz
11-15-2008, 11:06 AM
There was a public memorial service for Madeline Dunham today in Honolulu. She was a beloved member of the community here. Some of her friends and former coworkers were interviewed on the local news. She had a big impact on many people's lives. Including our two congresspersons, Neil Abercrombie and Mazie Horono, who worked for Mrs. Dunham at Bank of Hawaii when she was young.

RIP Tutu..

splatbass
11-15-2008, 11:22 AM
B.O. didn't even go to his grandmother's funeral. Now that is just plain wrong.

They had the public ceremony yesterday. The private family service will be next month and Obama will be there.

I can't understand people who would use the death of someone for political fodder. You should be ashamed.

***SPRAYER
11-15-2008, 11:23 AM
They had the public ceremony yesterday. The private family service will be next month and Obama will be there.

I can't understand people who would use the death of someone for political fodder. You should be ashamed.


Her funeral was yesterday. Period.

splatbass
11-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Madeline Dunham was quite a woman. She started out at Bank of Hawaii as a secretary, and worked her way up to become the first female VP of the bank (actually of any bank in Hawaii). Along the way she inspired many women, some of whom, like Rep. Mazie Horono, went on to big things themselves. Of course she was a big inspiration to a guy that was just elected president too.

A former employee of hers told a story about how they were testifying before the legislature on some issue involving mortgage loans, she was trying to get some legislation passed, and as the left she whispered to the man "do you think I scared them?", he replied that he was sure she did because she scared him too. :)

splatbass
11-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Her funeral was yesterday. Period.

No it wasn't. It was a memorial ceremony, not a funeral. You prove your total lack of class with every post.

***SPRAYER
11-15-2008, 11:37 AM
No it wasn't. It was a memorial ceremony, not a funeral. You prove your total lack of class with every post.


So they are going to hold off on burying her for a month?

ROFL

Sully
11-15-2008, 11:39 AM
So they are going to hold off on burying her for a month?

ROFL

So now you get to be the sole arbiter of what they consider her "funeral?"

***SPRAYER
11-15-2008, 11:42 AM
So now you get to be the sole arbiter of what they consider her "funeral?"

It's bizzare.

splatbass
11-15-2008, 11:43 AM
I'm sure Mrs. Dunham would be fine with what is going on. She was quite proud of her grandson.

And she would probably punch SHTFORBRAINS in the mouth for using her death for political fodder.

Sully
11-15-2008, 11:45 AM
It's bizzare.

As the husband of someone who does tons of funerals for people, there are literally thousands of ways people choose to honor the lives of family members who have passed. You pretending this is a black and white issue of "It's her funeral, period" while using it as some sort of political (or personal...which would be bizarre) insult seems to show that you don't care one way or another, but are just looking for any way to insult the guy who you didn't want to wint he presidency.

NoLurkerNoMore
11-15-2008, 01:13 PM
Wonder if he healed her or he went there for something else?


Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing
October 26, 2008
Joan Swirsky
Last week, during the crucial waning days of the presidential campaign, Obama left for Hawaii to visit his 85-year-old grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who had broken her hip. In such bad shape was she - in spite of the hospital's sending her home to heal - that Obama told ABC's Robin Roberts, that "I'm still not sure whether she makes it to Election Day."
Filling in for Obama on the campaign trail in Ohio was his wife, Michelle, who told the crowd that granny was doing just fine.
Did Obama have a dual purpose in traveling to Hawaii, the other being to magically produce the birth certificate proving his eligibility to be president? While he's now back on the campaign trail, he has still failed to produce said certificate!

After a recent article I wrote, My Mother's Birth Certicate - And Obama's, a number of people e-mailed me with FactCheck.org's "proof" of the certificate. But let's not forget that FactCheck is owned by the Annenberg Foundation, the same foundation that gave millions of dollars to Obama and his unrepentant terrorist pal William Ayers for an "education" project. To me, that makes FactCheck ipso facto the least credible source of factual information.

Infinitely more credible is the research done by, among others, Pennsylvania attorney
Philip J. Berg (ObamaCrimes), Chicago journalist Andy Martin, ContrarianCommentaryBlog and author Jerome Corsi (The Obama Nation), who have cast persuasive, data-provided doubt not only that the birth certificate(s) so far produced were blatant forgeries, but that Obama - and his leftwing media lapdogs - have been concealing the fact that he was born in a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, a birth his Kenyan grandmother is on record saying she and Obama's half-brother and half-sister attended.

What else has Obama failed to provide to a public - and an electorate - that deserves to know everything possible about a presidential candidate?

Occidental College records - not released.
Columbia Thesis paper - not available, locked down by faculty.
Harvard College records - not released, locked down by faculty.
Selective Service Registration - not released.
Medical records - not released (only a one-page report).
Illinois State Senate schedule - 'not available.'
Law practice client list - not released.
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - not released.
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth - not released.
Harvard Law Review articles published - None.
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None.
Record of Baptism-- Not released or 'not available.'
Illinois State Senate records--'not available.'


No wonder Obama's critics have called him a Manuchurian Candidate, a Trojan Horse, and a stealth candidate! If he has nothing to hide, why on earth is he still be refusing to come clean with the American people? Answer: he clearly has a lot to hide.

THE BERG CASE

In August, Mr. Berg lodged a suit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee.

On October 4, the accused parties filed a Motion to Dismiss.

On October 21, Mr. Berg released the result of his investigation - "Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama" - in which he said that by failing to answer the questions the lawsuit posed, both Obama and the DNC admitted, by default, that the charges were true.

On October 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick threw out Berg's suit, which asked that Obama's name be removed from the November 4 ballot and claimed that if Obama were permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he (Berg) and other voters would be disenfranchised. The judge concluded that Berg's allegations were "too vague and too attenuated."

On October 25, Berg announced in a press release that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court.

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution, Berg said, "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?"

Berg echoed the outrage reverberating throughout the nation at the prospect of Obama so brazenly flouting the U.S. Constitution, the provisions of which are very limited for qualifying a person to run for president: Article II, Section 1: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

"For the first time in history," writes journalist Sher Zieve, "U.S. voters are being asked to choose between continuing the Republic or bending to the will of a totalitarian Communist candidate."

What will the Supreme Court do? As one e-mailer told me: "The Supreme Court may be very loathe to take this case, given that they're still smarting from being accused of `selecting' a president in 2000 and they won't want to be accused of `deselecting" a president" in 2008."

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW?

Big hat tip here to Matt Bruce, a retired fire-rescue captain, who provided the following information.

Currently, lawsuits are being filed in nine states - California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington - that are seeking to require Barack Obama to provide Certification of his Birth in the United States, or to be removed or to remove himself from state ballots. Hawaii, the state in which Obama was supposedly born, is seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Obama's qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.

Every day, new lawsuits are being lodged. For more information about each lawsuit or on how to start your own, contact:

Hawaii: Andy Martin: AndyMart20@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .
WA: Steve Marquis:
peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it (website:http://www.peoplespassion.org/)..
CA: David Archbold: darchbo1@gmail. com.
GA: Tom Terr: kingdommatters@gmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
PA: Philip Berg: philjberg@obamacrim es.com; website http://www.obamacrimes.com/.
NY: Dan Smith: Dansmith1954@aol.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
CT: Cort Wrotnowsk: Metaqubit@aol
Steve Marquis, noted above, is a Washington State resident who last Tuesday filed a suit in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State for the State of Washington, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen.

Marquis said that by "resolving, one way or another, the unanswered questions surrounding Obama's citizenship and background would preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest which would arise should information come to light after the election which shows that the Illinois senator is ineligible to hold the presidency."

Are Obama and the DNC guilty of conspiracy, treason, or sedition? According to Webster's New World College Dictionary:

Conspiracy: Planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason.
Treason: Violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; betrayal of one's country, specifically, in the U.S. (as declared in the Constitution), consisting only in levying war against the U.S. or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.
Sedition: The stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power.


I have only question? Why

I assume you accept that Barack Obama's father and mother met in Hawaii. Then what? There married in Kenya and staid there? There married in Hawaii and moved to Kenya later? There married in Hawaii and moved shortly before the baby was due to Kenya and staid there? There married in Hawaii and moved shortly before the baby was due to Kenya and moved shortly back to Hawaii? Why? Maybe you believe he is the son Satan and is the Anti Christ in which we are all doomed.

banyon
11-15-2008, 01:54 PM
Apparently not:



I count 6 or 7 questions depending on whether you count the two instances of "why" as one or two.

Perhaps the typo was that he meant "I have only questions." as opposed to "I have only one question."? :shrug:

Baby Lee
11-15-2008, 02:00 PM
Perhaps the typo was that he meant "I have only questions." as opposed to "I have only one question."? :shrug:

Cut him some slack. The guy ends his declaratives with a '?' I think he got fired from being Ron Burgandy's Chyron guy.

I'm Ron Burgandy?

banyon
11-15-2008, 02:02 PM
Cut him some slack. The guy ends his declaratives with a '?' I think he got fired from being Ron Burgandy's Chyron guy.

I'm Ron Burgandy?

Hey, I was trying to help. :cuss: :D

patteeu
11-15-2008, 02:03 PM
Perhaps the typo was that he meant "I have only questions." as opposed to "I have only one question."? :shrug:

Yeah I noticed that the grammar/spelling crash that was his post didn't really fit my response. I thought I'd deleted it, but apparently not quick enough to keep you from catching my initial mistake. :)

Baby Lee
11-15-2008, 02:10 PM
Hey, I was trying to help. :cuss: :D

Elaine: You wanted to see me, Mr. Lippman?
Lippman: I was just going over the Jake Jarmel book and I understand you worked with him very closely.
Elaine: Yes, krhm, yes I did.
Lippman: And, anyway I was just reading your final edit, um, there seems to be an inordinate number of exclamation points.
Elaine: Well, I felt that the writing lacked certain emotion and intensity.
Lippman: Oh, "It was damp and chilly afternoon, so I decided to put on my sweatshirt!"
Elaine: Right, well...
Lippman: You put exclamation point after sweatshirt?
Elaine: That's that's correct, I-I felt that the character doesn't like to be ch-ch-chilly...
Lippman: I see, "I pulled the lever on the machine, but the Clark bar didn't come out!" Exclamation point?
Elaine: Well, yeah, you know how frustrating that can be when you keep putting quarters and quarters in to machine and then *prrt* nothing comes out...
Lippman: Get rid of the exclamation points...
Elaine: Ok, ok ok ...
Lippman: I hate exclamation points...
Elaine: ...ok I'll just....

Never gets old.

Calcountry
11-15-2008, 02:34 PM
The "one" I was speaking of was Biden...

He got crushed in the Primaries and he'd have to be a fool to think he could beat Hillary in a fistfight. And I don't think he's a fool - though he does suffer from foot-in-mouth disease.

It would come down to the strength of the ABC* faction after Obama.


*Anyone But Clinton.The Senate votes for Vice President, and Biden has all the electors he needs to win that post on Jan 6th.

Then the House would vote on President, only if the House failed to select a President by the time of the Inauguration, would Biden become President since, the job would be vacant and he would assume the Presidency as per the job requirements of his office.

orange
11-15-2008, 02:43 PM
The Senate votes for Vice President, and Biden has all the electors he needs to win that post on Jan 6th.

Then the House would vote on President, only if the House failed to select a President by the time of the Inauguration, would Biden become President since, the job would be vacant and he would assume the Presidency as per the job requirements of his office.

You are mistaken. The Electoral College votes for Vice President just after they vote for President.

Why guess when you can Wiki?

Meetings of electors

Certificate for the electoral vote for Rutherford B. Hayes and William A. Wheeler for the State of LouisianaElectors chosen on Election Day meet in their respective state capitals (or in the case of Washington, D.C., within the District) on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, at which time they cast their electoral votes on separate ballots for President and Vice President. In 2008, that meeting will be on December 15.

The Electoral College never meets as one body. Although procedures in each state vary slightly, the electors generally follow a similar series of steps, and the Congress has constitutional authority to regulate the procedures the states follow. The meeting is opened by the election certification official—often each state's Secretary of State or equivalent—who reads the Certificate of Ascertainment. This document sets forth who was chosen to cast the electoral votes. Those present answer to their name, and they then fill any vacancies in their number. The next step is the selection of a president or chairman of the meeting, sometimes also with a vice chairman. The electors sometimes choose a secretary, often not himself an elector, to take the minutes of the meeting. In many states, political officials give short speeches at this point in the proceedings.

When the time for balloting arrives, the electors choose one or two people to act as tellers. Some states provide for the placing in nomination of a candidate to receive the electoral votes (the candidate for President of the political party of the Electors). Each elector submits a written ballot with the name of a candidate for President. In New Jersey, the electors cast ballots by checking the name of the candidate on a pre-printed card; in North Carolina, the electors write the name of the candidate on a blank card. The tellers count the ballots and announce the result. The next step is the casting of the vote for Vice President, which follows a similar pattern.

After the voting is complete, the electors complete the Certificate of Vote. This document states the number of electoral votes cast for President and Vice President, and who received those votes. The state election official usually has pre-printed forms ready, and the tellers usually only write down the number of votes cast for appropriate candidates. Five copies of the Certificate of Vote are completed and signed by each Elector. Multiple copies of the Certificate of Vote are signed, in order to provide multiple originals in case one is lost. One copy is sent to President of the U.S. Senate (the sitting Vice President of the United States) by certified mail.

A staff member of the Office of the Vice President (here, acting in his capacity as President of the Senate) collects the Certificates of Vote as they arrive and prepares them for the joint session of Congress. The Certificates are arranged—unopened—in alphabetical order and placed in two special mahogany boxes. Alabama through Missouri (including Washington, D.C.) are placed in one box, and Montana through Wyoming are placed in the other box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

Interestingly, under our Obama disqualified scenario, they would vote for VP without knowing the result of the vote for President. Like I said - if someone didn't drop out, it could get ugly.

Calcountry
11-15-2008, 02:54 PM
You are mistaken. The Electoral College votes for Vice President just after they vote for President.

Why guess when you can Wiki?
Meetings of electors

Certificate for the electoral vote for Rutherford B. Hayes and William A. Wheeler for the State of LouisianaElectors chosen on Election Day meet in their respective state capitals (or in the case of Washington, D.C., within the District) on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, at which time they cast their electoral votes on separate ballots for President and Vice President. In 2008, that meeting will be on December 15.

The Electoral College never meets as one body. Although procedures in each state vary slightly, the electors generally follow a similar series of steps, and the Congress has constitutional authority to regulate the procedures the states follow. The meeting is opened by the election certification official—often each state's Secretary of State or equivalent—who reads the Certificate of Ascertainment. This document sets forth who was chosen to cast the electoral votes. Those present answer to their name, and they then fill any vacancies in their number. The next step is the selection of a president or chairman of the meeting, sometimes also with a vice chairman. The electors sometimes choose a secretary, often not himself an elector, to take the minutes of the meeting. In many states, political officials give short speeches at this point in the proceedings.

When the time for balloting arrives, the electors choose one or two people to act as tellers. Some states provide for the placing in nomination of a candidate to receive the electoral votes (the candidate for President of the political party of the Electors). Each elector submits a written ballot with the name of a candidate for President. In New Jersey, the electors cast ballots by checking the name of the candidate on a pre-printed card; in North Carolina, the electors write the name of the candidate on a blank card. The tellers count the ballots and announce the result. The next step is the casting of the vote for Vice President, which follows a similar pattern.

After the voting is complete, the electors complete the Certificate of Vote. This document states the number of electoral votes cast for President and Vice President, and who received those votes. The state election official usually has pre-printed forms ready, and the tellers usually only write down the number of votes cast for appropriate candidates. Five copies of the Certificate of Vote are completed and signed by each Elector. Multiple copies of the Certificate of Vote are signed, in order to provide multiple originals in case one is lost. One copy is sent to President of the U.S. Senate (the sitting Vice President of the United States) by certified mail.

A staff member of the Office of the Vice President (here, acting in his capacity as President of the Senate) collects the Certificates of Vote as they arrive and prepares them for the joint session of Congress. The Certificates are arranged—unopened—in alphabetical order and placed in two special mahogany boxes. Alabama through Missouri (including Washington, D.C.) are placed in one box, and Montana through Wyoming are placed in the other box.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

Interestingly, under our Obama disqualified scenario, they would vote for VP without knowing the result of the vote for President. Like I said - if someone didn't drop out, it could get ugly.I made my post under the assumption of a vacated President Elect, as in, the President Elect was either dead or unqualified constitutionally.

This would NOT stop the Senate from electing a VP as per the constitution. All the Duties of the Office of VP would apply upon inauguration.

Can the Supreme attorney adjudicate this for us, Banyon, are you here?

Calcountry
11-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I am saying, to clarify, that the House has already elected, but he hasn't been sworn in yet.

Prior to Jan 6th, the electors could do whatever they wanted.

orange
11-15-2008, 02:57 PM
I made my post under the assumption of a vacated President Elect, as in, the President Elect was either dead or unqualified constitutionally.

This would NOT stop the Senate from electing a VP as per the constitution. All the Duties of the Office of VP would apply upon inauguration.

Can the Supreme attorney adjudicate this for us, Banyon, are you here?

There are two scenarios, here - Obama disqualified BEFORE the Electoral College; or Obama disqualified AFTER the Electoral College.

My post that you quoted and responded to was about the BEFORE scenario.

Calcountry
11-15-2008, 03:00 PM
There are two scenarios, here - Obama disqualified BEFORE the Electoral College; or Obama disqualified AFTER the Electoral College.

My post that you quoted and responded to was about the BEFORE scenario.I was incorectly posting a post Jan 6th scenario, that assumed the House was deadlocked and unable to elect a President.

Carry on.

It would be fascinating to watch the House on CSPAN on the prior to scenario, although not necessarily a good thing for the country.

NoLurkerNoMore
11-15-2008, 03:23 PM
I really have only one question. Why. He is the son of an american woman and therefore has a right to an american passport and the right to stand for american president. Why do go to all this trouble?

patteeu
11-15-2008, 03:26 PM
I really have only one question. Why. He is the son of an american woman and therefore has a right to an american passport and the right to stand for american president. Why do go to all this trouble?

Apparently, at least according to Donger and a couple of other posters here, the rules aren't quite as simple as that.

Calcountry
11-15-2008, 03:44 PM
I really have only one question. Why. He is the son of an american woman and therefore has a right to an american passport and the right to stand for american president. Why do go to all this trouble?The constitution expressly states that one must be native born, on American Soil, in order to qualify for President. If you dont' like the rule, then ammend it.

vailpass
11-15-2008, 03:45 PM
What do Obama and JFK have in common?

Adept Havelock
11-15-2008, 03:48 PM
What do Obama and JFK have in common?

They were both voted into office by a majority of the Catholic voters of America. 54% of voting Catholics voted for President-Elect Obama. (In spite of the wailing and gnashing of teeth from some Bishops and KCJ.)

I'm unaware of any other common ground between the two. Did Kennedy have a secretary named Obama while Obama had a secretary named Kennedy or something? :shrug:

vailpass
11-15-2008, 04:25 PM
They were both voted into office by a majority of the Catholic voters of America. 54% of voting Catholics voted for President-Elect Obama. (In spite of the wailing and gnashing of teeth from some Bishops and KCJ.)

I'm unaware of any other common ground between the two. Did Kennedy have a secretary named Obama while Obama had a secretary named Kennedy or something? :shrug:

:) I remember that comparison sheet between Lincoln and Kennedy. I never verified if all those things were true but if so, wow.

NoLurkerNoMore
11-15-2008, 04:36 PM
The constitution expressly states that one must be native born, on American Soil, in order to qualify for President. If you dont' like the rule, then ammend it.

Thank you but I've read in Wikipedia (which is not the be all and end all) that
'However, the full text of the fourteenth amendment does not mention the phrase "natural-born citizen," nor does it address Presidential qualifications. The phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution.'
Maybe we some lawyers on ChiefsPlanet who could shed some light on it but even if there were some questions I'm pretty sure Obama could win his case in front the Supreme Court. It would probably end up 5 to 4 or maybe even 6 to 3. Bad PR for the USA but Obama doesn't care.

T-post Tom
11-15-2008, 04:37 PM
I guess the right-wing nutjobs are going to have at least four years to spew their filthy lies and hate. All that wasted energy. Very sad.:(

Mr. Laz
11-15-2008, 05:11 PM
It's bizzare.
and none of your business


you are such a piece of shit

splatbass
11-15-2008, 05:18 PM
The constitution expressly states that one must be native born, on American Soil, in order to qualify for President. If you dont' like the rule, then ammend it.

That isn't correct. You don't have to be born on American soil, you just have to be born a US citizen. You can't be a naturalized citizen, one that receives citizenship later. You can be born anywhere in the world and be a natural born US citizen if one parent is a citizen, subject to all applicable laws.

My friend, a US citizen, married a British woman. They were living in England and had a daughter there. The daughter is a natural born US citizen. She is also a British citizen. She holds dual citizenship.

StcChief
11-15-2008, 07:23 PM
What do Obama and JFK have in common?and with RFK, MLK.... nothing yet.

PastorMikH
11-15-2008, 11:49 PM
and none of your business






Say, what's up with the neg rep? You trying to start something here Laz?

I fail to see how ANYTHING I posted in this thread could be percieved as disrespectful of the dead.

FWIW, I had a legit question. Unlike yourself, I don't see a need for a new thread for every little thing, so I searched for an existing thread who's initial post pertained to the issue - the initial post had to do with Obama's Birth Certificate issues. I asked a question to LEARN what would be the standard course of action for presidential succession if something like the BC issuse actually caused a president elect to be disqualified from taking office.

NO WHERE did I ever say anything negative about Obama's grandmother or my opinions concerning the legitimacy of his Birth Certificate.



If you had issues with my post, why didn't you man up and put it on the thread or at least send me a PM to discsuss it instead of taking shots through rep?

beer bacon
11-16-2008, 04:01 AM
I too thought he was obviously an American citizen since he was born on American soil and his mother was an American citizen, but then I realized he is black...

***SPRAYER
11-16-2008, 06:14 PM
I am a piece of shit

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