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KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 03:21 AM
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[Vid is 52 seconds]

This is pathetic even for a Democrat. You can see why Joe Biden made his "tested in 6 months" comments - more like 6 days.

Barney Frank is already talking about slashing the defense budget. This is another Obama smoking gun. I'm sure he doesn't want the voters to see him saying these deeply troubling things, but now we know how he will pay for his expansion of swollen, intrusive government into full-blown socialism: by decimating defense spending, investment, and strategic deployment of key systems.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 06:02 AM
KCJohnny: Complete dud on Obama attacks.

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10-31-2008, 06:33 AM
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KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 06:52 AM
This is pathetic even for a Democrat. You can see why Joe Biden made his "tested in 6 months" comments - more like 6 days.

Barney Frank is already talking about slashing the defense budget. This is another Obama smoking gun. I'm sure he doesn't want the voters to see him saying these deeply troubling things, but now we know how he will pay for his expansion of swollen, intrusive government into full-blown socialism: by decimating defense spending, investment, and strategic deployment of key systems.<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

KILLER_CLOWN
10-31-2008, 06:54 AM
I would be fine if i knew he was going to tone down the rhetoric on war, however I believe it will be at the very least a cold war with the russians.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 07:04 AM
I would be fine if i knew he was going to tone down the rhetoric on war, however I believe it will be at the very least a cold war with the russians.

This is to the left of John Kerry. I am in uniform. You can bet that the military is very, very concerned about this. We are at war. We have a lot of unfinished business.

Check this out. This is one of the greatest speeches of all time.

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Chiefnj2
10-31-2008, 07:38 AM
. I am in uniform. >

Yesterdaydidn't you say you were going to leave your uniform out of the political discussions?

Cosmos
10-31-2008, 08:22 AM
As a member of the military, I have to wonder if you do anything other than to post on this board 7X24.

Shouldn't you be out earning your paycheck like the rest of us?

Seems like a waste of taxpayer money...

jidar
10-31-2008, 08:36 AM
Obama kicked sand in kcjohnny's face and stole his girlfriend.

nychief
10-31-2008, 08:38 AM
KCjohnny... use the GI Bill and learn something. Moron.

whoman69
10-31-2008, 08:47 AM
This is to the left of John Kerry. I am in uniform. You can bet that the military is very, very concerned about this. We are at war. We have a lot of unfinished business.

Check this out. This is one of the greatest speeches of all time.

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This country is still locked into cold war expenditures. We need to start bringing in a mentality to fight the war we are in right now, the war on terror.

jidar
10-31-2008, 08:50 AM
This is to the left of John Kerry. I am in uniform. You can bet that the military is very, very concerned about this. We are at war. We have a lot of unfinished business.

Check this out. This is one of the greatest speeches of all time.

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Look at that, a whole room full of people who had the poor sense to vote for GWB in 2004.

jAZ
10-31-2008, 08:50 AM
KCJohnny: Complete dud on Obama attacks.

KCJohnny: Complete Dud on Editing Subject Lines

jAZ
10-31-2008, 08:52 AM
Is a soldier allowed to attack the President's policies on matters of the miliary once a candidate takes the office?

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 08:54 AM
Almost all your replies tell us that you did not even review the Senator's 52 second campaign ad.

This is why it is so dangerous to play with our national security. You are about to vote for and maybe even elect a man with zero experience in military affairs or foreign policy (other than campaining for Raila Odinga) to be commander in chief.

You could at least review the 52 seconds of your possible next commander in chief before criticizing those who are stakeholders in a very direct way (military members). As for my amount of posts, look on the left panel. I am in Korea. I am not at work. I rarely post at work. Its 2354 hours here (11:54 PM). I am at home, and I post a lot because I care about this election.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 08:56 AM
Almost all your replies tell us that you did not even review the Senator's 52 second campaign ad.

This is why it is so dangerous to play with our national security. You are about to vote for and maybe even elect a man with zero experience in military affairs or foreign policy (other than campaining for Raila Odinga) to be commander in chief.

You could at least review the 52 seconds of your possible next commander in chief before criticizing those who are stakeholders in a very direct way (military members). As for my amount of posts, look on the left panel. I am in Korea. I am not at work. I rarely post at work. Its 2354 hours here (11:54 PM). I am at home, and I post a lot because I care about this election.

I thought you weren't bringing up your service.

Seems you lied. Did you know that's one of the 10 commandments?

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 08:58 AM
Almost all your replies tell us that you did not even review the Senator's 52 second campaign ad.

This is why it is so dangerous to play with our national security. You are about to vote for and maybe even elect a man with zero experience in military affairs or foreign policy (other than campaining for Raila Odinga) to be commander in chief.

You could at least review the 52 seconds of your possible next commander in chief before criticizing those who are stakeholders in a very direct way (military members). As for my amount of posts, look on the left panel. I am in Korea. I am not at work. I rarely post at work. Its 2354 hours here (11:54 PM). I am at home, and I post a lot because I care about this election.Jesus is across the DMZ. Go get him!

Frankie
10-31-2008, 09:06 AM
Hey KCJ, you have time to start all these threads, yet why haven't you answered the question I asked you here? http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5166696#post5166696 (posts 64 and 79)

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:19 AM
Hey KCJ, you have time to start all these threads, yet why haven't you answered the question I asked you here? http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5166696#post5166696 (posts 64 and 79)

(Frankie asks) If Obama is elected will you serve and call the anti-American Socialist, Communist, Elitist your commander in Chief? Seems to me you have a decision to make. You either quit the military or have to call yourself a communist.

I served honorably under President Clinton for 8 years. Until/if Obama is elected, I enjoy all the same rights and privileges as all other US citizens in campaigning for the candidate of my choice.

Your little rant belies your dearth of understanding of the rights and duties of the military. I will not speak ill of the commander in chief at any time while representing the Army. I deeply respect his office if not his person and policies. We salute the uniform, not the man in it.

I work in a culture of duty and loyalty and honor. I haven't seen much in your posts that tells me you understand much about that.

nychief
10-31-2008, 09:23 AM
I served honorably under President Clinton for 8 years. Until/if Obama is elected, I enjoy all the same rights and privileges as all other US citizens in campaigning for the candidate of my choice.

Your little rant belies your dearth of understanding of the rights and duties of the military. I will not speak ill of the commander in chief at any time while representing the Army. I deeply respect his office if not his person and policies. We salute the uniform, not the man in it.

I work in a culture of duty and loyalty and honor. Some of you can not imagine what that is like.


Honestly, no one gives a shit that you served in the military. It is not exceptional... in fact, it is boringly ordinary. You might as well tell us all about your cool barbed wire arm tattoo.

I love that you puff your chest out as a soldier - but your political and social views are driven by fear and... of course... stupidity.

Saggysack
10-31-2008, 09:24 AM
Zig Zag Zell made one of the greatest speeches of all time? ROFL

Drugs would do short stuff a lot of good.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:25 AM
Honestly, no one gives a shit that you served in the military. It is not exceptional... in fact, it is boringly ordinary. You might as well tell us all about your cool barbed wire arm tattoo.

I love that you puff your chest out as a soldier - but your political and social views are driven by fear and... of course... stupidity.

Here's nychief's profile:

About nychief
<DL class="list_no_decoration profilefield_list"><DT class=shade>Biography <DD>Born and raised in Kansas City, went to college and now live in New York city. <DT class=shade>Location <DD>NYC <DT class=shade>Interests <DD>Comedy, Theater, Chiefs, Royals <DT class=shade>Occupation <DD>comedian </DD></DL>:shake:

Not funny, dude.

Taco John
10-31-2008, 09:29 AM
I work in a culture of duty and loyalty and honor. I haven't seen much in your posts that tells me you understand much about that.


You should be the last person on this forum lecturing about a void of honor. The least you could do is show a little around here. Talk is cheap.

nychief
10-31-2008, 09:29 AM
Sorry I don't do Larry the Cable guy material...


Hey, did anybody here know... KCJOHNNY was in ARMY?

wow. that is really hard to get into. Very selective.

Frankie
10-31-2008, 09:31 AM
I served honorably under President Clinton for 8 years. Until/if Obama is elected, I enjoy all the same rights and privileges as all other US citizens in campaigning for the candidate of my choice.

Your little rant belies your dearth of understanding of the rights and duties of the military. I will not speak ill of the commander in chief at any time while representing the Army. I deeply respect his office if not his person and policies. We salute the uniform, not the man in it.

I work in a culture of duty and loyalty and honor. I haven't seen much in your posts that tells me you understand much about that.

Don't have a cow KCJ, I respect your service. Your reply hasn't told me, though, if you could serve under a commander-in-chief with communist goals. Wouldn't you be serving a communist cause?

(BTW, you can now disregard my same post in your other threads. Had to get your attention.)

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:34 AM
What's amazing is that democrats won't even dare to comment on Senator Obama's stated policy positions in the video. Telling. Instead, let's make KCJ the issue because we neither understand nor are we able to defend the junior senator from Illinois' policy positions on national defense. But since the issue is national defense and KCJ is station in a foreign country in service to our nation, let's dogpile on him and make him the issue. Who the hell does he think he is discussing defense policy?

Hollow.

Taco John
10-31-2008, 09:39 AM
Well, I for one would like to stop wasting US taxpayer dollars on a Korean base. Let's put that money back in the pockets of Americans, and let the Koreans worry about their own defense. This goes for France, Germany, and Japan as well.

Sully
10-31-2008, 09:41 AM
What's amazing is that democrats won't even dare to comment on Senator Obama's stated policy positions in the video. Telling. Instead, let's make KCJ the issue because we neither understand nor are we able to defend the junior senator from Illinois' policy positions on national defense. But since the issue is national defense and KCJ is station in a foreign country in service to our nation, let's dogpile on him and make him the issue. Who the hell does he think he is discussing defense policy?

Hollow.

Why don't you type out what Senator Obama's positions are. I can't watch the video right now, nor do I put much faith in the ability of context to be accurate.

Taco John
10-31-2008, 09:46 AM
Why don't you type out what Senator Obama's positions are. I can't watch the video right now, nor do I put much faith in the ability of context to be accurate.

"Well for one, he wants to shoot every member of the military in the right leg. Don't you Obots find this unacceptable, or do you have so much contempt for the military that you can't rationally argue a position. I was in the military. You people don't have the credentials to even post with someone as glorified I am. Any christian should be able to recognize the superiority of my position.

Empty"

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:47 AM
Don't have a cow KCJ, I respect your service. Your reply hasn't told me, though, if you could serve under a commander-in-chief with communist goals. Wouldn't you be serving a communist cause?

(BTW, you can now disregard my same post in your other threads. Had to get your attention.)

Mr. Frankie:
I am serving my second tour of duty in the Republic of Korea (ROK). We support the ROK and are at war with North Korea. Just today, Kim Jong Il's regime released this message:


At a rare round of military talks on Monday, North Korea complained about the leaflets while South Korean activists sent a new batch of 100,000, despite warnings from Seoul not to do so.
“The puppet authorities had better bear in mind that the advanced pre-emptive strike of our own style will reduce everything opposed to the nation and reunification to debris, not just setting them on fire,” the spokesman said.

link (http://www.freekorea.us/)

The regime in North Korea is communist. I am serving in the Armed Forces of the USA in a war against communism. Why on earth would I serve a communist government if I am at war with a communist government?

If Obama is indeed a communist (I maintain that he is a clandestine marxist based on my knowledge of liberation theology and Obama's asociations) then I cannot and will not serve to further the goals of communism. He will not get very far in advancing his agenda as you will see. The heartland of America values liberty.

I will not terminate my servive to this greatest of all nations unless it serves to assist our nation. This is a queer question to ask me since you are supporting a candidate deeply embroyled with men and women who have committed acts of terror against the nation I love and serve.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:49 AM
Why don't you type out what Senator Obama's positions are. I can't watch the video right now, nor do I put much faith in the ability of context to be accurate.

Why don't you click the play button and watch the whole 52 seconds for yourself?

Liberals.

:rolleyes:

Maybe one of you Obama supporters will do him the honors. Its not pretty.

Sully
10-31-2008, 09:51 AM
Why don't you click the play button lazy ass and watch the whole 52 seconds for yourself?

Liberals.

:rolleyes:

Name calling...nice!!!
And you berated for me even mentioning you with this tactic. ROFL

Fact is, KCJ, I'm at work, and youtube is blocked by our servers.
I apologize for asking you to actually state your own case instead of relying on cut and paste for your thoughts. I see the error, now, of my ways, and won't make that mistake again.

ROFL

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:53 AM
Name calling...nice!!!
And you berated for me even mentioning you with this tactic. ROFL

Fact is, KCJ, I'm at work, and youtube is blocked by our servers.
I apologize for asking you to actually state your own case instead of relying on cut and paste for your thoughts. I see the error, now, of my ways, and won't make that mistake again.

ROFL

Not my problem. Get back to work.

Frankie
10-31-2008, 09:53 AM
Is this KCJ? :hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPT9bcv_-o0





















(Sorry KCJ, just a joke. But I couldn't pass it up.)

Sully
10-31-2008, 09:54 AM
Not my problem. Get back to work.

I understand.
It's not your problem to know enough about what you are talkign about to post it without relying completely on other people's writings and videos. It's not your problem to be able to articulate clearly your actual thoughts. I apologize.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:54 AM
Sully just sent me this little gem on neg rep:
Hypocrite. You make Christians look like shit.

Oh, I was so wrong not to type out the transcript for you, o most holy one.

Sully
10-31-2008, 09:56 AM
Sully just sent me this little gem on neg rep:


Oh, I was so wrong not to type out the transcript for you, o most holy one.

No.
You were wrong for resting every case you try to make on your Christianity, insulting everyone's faith who doesn't adhere to your rigid brand of faith, and then calling names when asked for a simple bit of thought.
You are a hypocrite. There is no other way to describe how you act.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 09:56 AM
I understand.
It's not your problem to know enough about what you are talkign about to post it without relying completely on other people's writings and videos. It's not your problem to be able to articulate clearly your actual thoughts. I apologize.

Its Barack Obama talking in the video, Mr. Sully. No one else is talking. He is telling America how he will take down our missile defense systems, unarm our nukes, unfund our Future Combat Systems program, and surrender in Iraq.

Sully
10-31-2008, 09:58 AM
Its Barack Obama talking in the video, Mr. Sully. No one else is talking. He is telling America how he will take down our missile defense systems, unarm our nukes, unfund our Future Combat Systems program, and surrender in Iraq.

Senator Obama didn't post the video, did he?
Then I assume some other person edited it to make a point.
All I'm asking you for is that point.

Mr. Laz
10-31-2008, 09:58 AM
the right is losing their freaking minds ... you can smell the desperation in their posts.



it's quite pathetic actually

Bowser
10-31-2008, 09:59 AM
When you believe a certain thing, it is very easy to find justification for those beliefs in any speech. One person hears that Obama wants to cut defense spending and interprets that as a move to becoming a weaker nation. Another person hears those same exact words and hears that he wants to move to becoming a nation that does not wastefully spend the budget like it is a never-ending resource. And, that instead of being a powerful nation by being a bully, we should be a powerful nation by leading the world by example.

Spending more and more money on nuclear weapons and developing bigger and better ways to control the rest of the world only means those other countries will do the same. It becomes a constant race to see who can come up with the biggest and best weapon. That doesn't seem like a very productive way to spend money to me. Instead, I hear Obama saying he wants to work toward a world where we don't need nuclear weapons. Is it possible? Who knows. But I like that he is idealistic enough to want to try.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:00 AM
Is this KCJ? :hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPT9bcv_-o0

(Sorry KCJ, just a joke. But I couldn't pass it up.)

Yeah, well I notice after stalking me for days you did not respond to my answer to your question.

:hmmm:

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:02 AM
Spending more and more money on nuclear weapons and developing bigger and better ways to control the rest of the world only means those other countries will do the same. It becomes a constant race to see who can come up with the biggest and best weapon. That doesn't seem like a very productive way to spend money to me. Instead, I hear Obama saying he wants to work toward a world where we don't need nuclear weapons. Is it possible? Who knows. But I like that he is idealistic enough to want to try.

J i m m y C a r t e r.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 10:03 AM
Its Barack Obama talking in the video, Mr. Sully. No one else is talking. He is telling America how he will take down our missile defense systems, unarm our nukes, unfund our Future Combat Systems program, and surrender in Iraq.

This is a ridiculous statement, even by your standards. You've gotten it ingrained into your head that democrat = pussy. If you honestly think that Obama will leave this country defenseless, you are dumber than you act, DESPITE this video where you see him proclaiming to disarm our nukes.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:06 AM
This is a ridiculous statement, even by your standards. You've gotten it ingrained into your head that democrat = pussy. If you honestly think that Obama will leave this country defenseless, you are dumber than you act, DESPITE this video where you see him proclaiming to disarm our nukes.

ROFL

You obviously did not watch the 52 second video. What is it with you liberals? What are you afraid of?

Its in Obama's OWN WORDS.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 10:07 AM
J i m m y C a r t e r.

I will go out on a limb and guess that the world has changed just a tad since Billy's bro was in office.

Throwing Carter's name around is just like all the hard right screaming "SOCIALISM" in an attempt to frighten people off of Obama's camp.

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:09 AM
I will go out on a limb and guess that the world has changed just a tad since Billy's bro was in office.

Throwing Carter's name around is just like all the hard right screaming "SOCIALISM" in an attempt to frighten people off of Obama's camp.

Its totally legitimate to compare policy similarities. The reality is that Obama is far to the left of Carter who at least had been a successful governor and had no terrorist ties.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 10:13 AM
ROFL

You obviously did not watch the 52 second video. What is it with you liberals? What are you afraid of?

Its in Obama's OWN WORDS.

If you truly think having Obama as a president will leave this country defenseless, you are paranoid and an idiot. Saying he wants to see a day where not only we but the rest of the world is nuke free ins't exactly a bad thing.

And I don't have hard numbers, but I'm pretty secure in saying that if the United States didn't develop any new weapon systems for, say, the next fifteen years, we would still be as dominant a military force as we are today.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 10:15 AM
KCJohnny lies. Move along.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 10:15 AM
Its totally legitimate to compare policy similarities. The reality is that Obama is far to the left of Carter who at least had been a successful governor and had no terrorist ties.

Not this crap again. For every Ayers reference you throw out, there can be a Bin Laden vs. the Soviets or Iran/Contra reference fired back.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 10:16 AM
KCJohnny lies. Move along.

Guys like him and Tom just can't be talked to. They have tunnel vision in matters of politics and faith, and that comes with a healthy dose of Never Wrong disease.

chris
10-31-2008, 10:16 AM
This thread is extremely funny to read.

Dog Pile; Dog Pile; let's all jump on the poster.

No thought or reason required; just flame away.

For example: "Cut cold war budgets!!!" What do you know of such budgets? Silly mantra.

Has he done something to your mothers?

While I'm sitting here on a beach in Cabo, this is great entertainment!! :)

Carry on.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 10:17 AM
This thread is extremely funny to read.

Dog Pile; Dog Pile; let's all jump on the poster.

No thought or reason required; just flame away.

For example: "Cut cold war budgets!!!" What do you know of such budgets? Silly mantra.

Has he done something to your mothers?

While I'm sitting here on a beach in Cabo, this is great entertainment!! :)

Carry on.

New to these parts, are we?

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:19 AM
If you truly think having Obama as a president will leave this country defenseless, you are paranoid and an idiot. Saying he wants to see a day where not only we but the rest of the world is nuke free ins't exactly a bad thing.

And I don't have hard numbers, but I'm pretty secure in saying that if the United States didn't develop any new weapon systems for, say, the next fifteen years, we would still be as dominant a military force as we are today.

You are dangerously naive. Call me anything you want, but my sacred duty is to defend our country and its interests. The Generals I am working for do not share you happy talk scenario.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 10:22 AM
You are dangerously naive. Call me anything you want, but my sacred duty is to defend our country and its interests. The Generals I am working for do not share you happy talk scenario.

I thought you weren't going to talk about your service.

And are you going to serve Obama "the socialist" if he wins? If so, how do you reconcile that?

OnTheWarpath58
10-31-2008, 10:22 AM
I thought you weren't going to talk about your service.

And are you going to serve Obama "the socialist" if he wins? If so, how do you reconcile that?

He hasn't answered the last 15 times he's been asked that question, I doubt he starts now...

KCJohnny
10-31-2008, 10:24 AM
He hasn't answered the last 15 times he's been asked that question, I doubt he starts now...

Post #30. Not that I owe you or anyone else on CP an answer. Your rude, obnoxious ad hominem attacks say more about you than me.

jAZ
10-31-2008, 10:25 AM
This is why it is so dangerous to play with our national security. You are about to vote for and maybe even elect a man with zero experience in military affairs or foreign policy (other than campaining for Raila Odinga) to be commander in chief.

I guess being an actor during WWII was exactly the "experience" Obama lacks to win you over, right?

OnTheWarpath58
10-31-2008, 10:29 AM
Post #30. Not that I owe you or anyone else on CP an answer. Your rude, obnoxious ad hominem attacks say more about you than me.

This is your answer?

If Obama is indeed a communist (I maintain that he is a clandestine marxist based on my knowledge of liberation theology and Obama's asociations) then I cannot and will not serve to further the goals of communism. He will not get very far in advancing his agenda as you will see. The heartland of America values liberty.

I will not terminate my servive to this greatest of all nations unless it serves to assist our nation. This is a queer question to ask me since you are supporting a candidate deeply embroyled with men and women who have committed acts of terror against the nation I love and serve.



So, you cannot serve to further the goals of communism, *snicker* but you won't terminate your "servive" to the greatest of all nations?

Either yes, or no, John. It's not that difficult.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Post #30. Not that I owe you or anyone else on CP an answer. Your rude, obnoxious ad hominem attacks say more about you than me.

The guy who deals ad hominems like they're freaking free cake is calling out someone on an ad hominem?

What's more is that the post in question isn't even an ad hominem.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 10:32 AM
I'm going to say this again, if you say communist or Marxist you should be forced to read and recite the communist manifesto.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 10:32 AM
The guy who deals ad hominems like they're freaking free cake is calling out someone on an ad hominem?

What's more is that the post in question isn't even an ad hominem.


No way dude not cake....pie.

Frankie
10-31-2008, 10:45 AM
Yeah, well I notice after stalking me for days you did not respond to my answer to your question.

:hmmm:

I did. Post #25. You must have missed it.

Frankie
10-31-2008, 10:47 AM
I guess being an actor during WWII was exactly the "experience" Obama lacks to win you over, right?

:clap:

vailpass
10-31-2008, 10:51 AM
If you truly think having Obama as a president will leave this country defenseless, you are paranoid and an idiot. Saying he wants to see a day where not only we but the rest of the world is nuke free ins't exactly a bad thing.

And I don't have hard numbers, but I'm pretty secure in saying that if the United States didn't develop any new weapon systems for, say, the next fifteen years, we would still be as dominant a military force as we are today.

That is an ignorant and dangerous statement. You don't just turn command, control, intel, recon, satcom and other defense research areas on and off like a light switch. If you stop moving forward for a month or a day, if you lose troop readiness, if you don't stay on the edge you will open yourself to attack.
Your statement is frightening, it is my sincere hope that whoever is POTUS will not fall victim to lies of this nature.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 10:53 AM
Maybe it's just me but I'm not a huge fan of the military industrial complex and the giant spending it entails.

Taco John
10-31-2008, 10:53 AM
If you truly think having Obama as a president will leave this country defenseless, you are paranoid and an idiot. Saying he wants to see a day where not only we but the rest of the world is nuke free ins't exactly a bad thing.

And I don't have hard numbers, but I'm pretty secure in saying that if the United States didn't develop any new weapon systems for, say, the next fifteen years, we would still be as dominant a military force as we are today.

That is an ignorant and dangerous statement. You don't just turn command, control, intel, recon, satcom and other defense research areas on and off like a light switch. If you stop moving forward for a month or a day, if you lose troop readiness, if you don't stay on the edge you will open yourself to attack.
Your statement is frightening, it is my sincere hope that whoeer is POTUS will not fall victim to lies of this nature.



Halloween isn't really until night fall. No sense in trying to scare us kids before we even have our costumes on.

vailpass
10-31-2008, 10:55 AM
Maybe it's just me but I'm not a huge fan of the military industrial complex and the giant spending it entails.

Those who don't like military spending you have never seen the alternative.

vailpass
10-31-2008, 10:56 AM
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Halloween isn't really until night fall. No sense in trying to scare us kids before we even have our costumes on.

LMAO Absolutely right.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 10:58 AM
Those who don't like military spending you have never seen the alternative.

I'm not saying you don't spend on it at all, but at the same time to outspend the next 20 countries combined is a bit much.

It's like our healthcare argument we spend more on it and get less in return than numerous countries. Then people wonder why we have this debt.

vailpass
10-31-2008, 11:01 AM
I'm not saying you don't spend on it at all, but at the same time to outspend the next 20 countries combined is a bit much.

It's like our healthcare argument we spend more on it and get less in return than numerous countries. Then people wonder why we have this debt.

The idea isn't to have a military so strong it can defeat any other military.
The idea is to have a military so strong nobody would even think about fighting with you.
Deterrent through strength which is only achieved by maintaining a level impossibe for your opponents to equal.

US healthcare quality is outstanding, would you want it any other way?

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 11:06 AM
The idea isn't to have a military so strong it can defeat any other military.
The idea is to have a military so strong nobody would even think about fighting with you.
Deterrent through strength which is only achieved by maintaining a level impossibe for your opponents to equal.

Unfortunately, you don't have much leg to stand on. Unless you want to argue that we are supposed to be World Police.


US healthcare quality is outstanding, would you want it any other way?

Care, perhaps. System, absolutely not.

vailpass
10-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately, you don't have much leg to stand on. Unless you want to argue that we are supposed to be World Police.



Care, perhaps. System, absolutely not.

Kid I was working DOD contracts while you were still sucking your mom's dick. You telling me about defense is like GoChiefs telling someone about sex.
Get out in the real world, grow up and make something of yourself if you want to be taken seriously.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 11:15 AM
And there it is again.

Frankie
10-31-2008, 12:03 PM
Kid I was working DOD contracts while you were still sucking your mom's dick. You telling me about defense is like GoChiefs telling someone about sex.
Get out in the real world, grow up and make something of yourself if you want to be taken seriously.

You need to listen to yourself.

Bowser
10-31-2008, 12:05 PM
I'm with Mecca. I just used the fifteen years statement as an example, I am by no means advocating we terminate military spending for the next decade and a half.

I should have clarified that statement, my bad.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 12:15 PM
Man, my feelings got hurted.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 12:18 PM
Those who don't like military spending you have never seen the alternative.What, like, the horrors of life in Sweden?

Mecca
10-31-2008, 12:18 PM
What, like, the horrors of life in Sweden?

Sweden is socialist!

Bowser
10-31-2008, 12:18 PM
What, like, the horrors of life in Sweden?

Sweden needs to be punished. I'll begin the spankings of the womenfolk there.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 12:19 PM
Sweden needs to be punished. I'll begin the spankings of the womenfolk there.No need, because they apparently already live in hell. They seem pretty happy, but what do they know?

Frankie
10-31-2008, 01:44 PM
What, like, the horrors of life in Sweden?

:LOL:

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 02:20 AM
What, like, the horrors of life in Sweden?

Feel free to immigrate there.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 02:23 AM
Those who don't like military spending you have never seen the alternative.

You hit the nail on the head Mr. Vailpass. This is a spoiled, pampered generation that feels more threatened by emotional insults that violate the political correctness of academia than by hostile foreign powers bent on our destruction.

Oh, they enjoy the freedom and liberty to say all manner of irresponsible, unpatriotic things about the military, but most do not lift a finger to vouchsafe the security of said liberties.

irishjayhawk
11-01-2008, 07:43 AM
You hit the nail on the head Mr. Vailpass. This is a spoiled, pampered generation that feels more threatened by emotional insults that violate the political correctness of academia than by hostile foreign powers bent on our destruction.

Oh, they enjoy the freedom and liberty to say all manner of irresponsible, unpatriotic things about the military, but most do not lift a finger to vouchsafe the security of said liberties.

What foreign power is bent on our destruction?

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 07:50 AM
This country is still locked into cold war expenditures. We need to start bringing in a mentality to fight the war we are in right now, the war on terror.

Federal funds for beat cops and after school basketball ought to cover it!!!

banyon
11-01-2008, 08:16 AM
I watched the video. Why don't you tell us what statement you found so offensive, KCJ, instead of responding lwith "Jimmy Carter"?

I would say that if you think all of the money in the Defense budget is all criticially necessary for this country's defense, then you might want to reflect your accusations of naivete back into the mirror.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 08:44 AM
What foreign power is bent on our destruction?

Oh none, I'm just demogoguing.

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banyon
11-01-2008, 09:08 AM
I watched the video. Why don't you tell us what statement you found so offensive, KCJ, instead of responding lwith "Jimmy Carter"?

I would say that if you think all of the money in the Defense budget is all criticially necessary for this country's defense, then you might want to reflect your accusations of naivete back into the mirror.

KCJohnny pines for a reply to the video, then when I reply, he's nowhere to be found in the thread. Big surprise. :rolleyes:

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 09:18 AM
I watched the video. Why don't you tell us what statement you found so offensive, KCJ, instead of responding lwith "Jimmy Carter"?

I would say that if you think all of the money in the Defense budget is all criticially necessary for this country's defense, then you might want to reflect your accusations of naivete back into the mirror.

Do you not hear what he proposes? Unilateral scaling back of national defense capabilities in HOPE that rogue nations and enemies will follow suit? You are lots of fun on ChiefsPlanet but out to lunch on foreign policy and defense.

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 09:18 AM
Feel free to immigrate there.You seem to be the one with the issues, maybe you take your own advice. Why would you want to live in COMMUNIST America?

banyon
11-01-2008, 09:22 AM
Feel free to immigrate there.

BTW this is "emigrate".

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 09:26 AM
BTW this is "emigrate".

Great come back. Consider me vanquished, Mr. banyon.

banyon
11-01-2008, 09:37 AM
Do you not hear what he proposes? Unilateral scaling back of national defense capabilities in HOPE that rogue nations and enemies will follow suit? You are lots of fun on ChiefsPlanet but out to lunch on foreign policy and defense.

There is no such statement in the video at all. Now, I'm not sure you watched what you posted.

What I'm familiar with is history. And these are almost the identical hollow and fear-mongering type tactics that were used against Kerry, Gore, and Clinton. The military didn't fall apart during Clinton, and we balanced the budget, it wouldn't have with Kerry or Gore either.

Here's a video for you see what you think of it:

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KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 09:44 AM
Libs love to quote the accomplishments of the GOP led Congress as a bona fide for their reliability.

Hello? I spent 8 years in the Army under President Clinton. In the interest of not embarassing either one of us, I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt here. Thanks for bringing up President Clinton, who signed the Iraqi Liberation Act into law 10 years ago today!<!-- / message -->

banyon
11-01-2008, 09:49 AM
Libs love to quote the accomplishments of the GOP led Congress as a bona fide for their reliability.

Hello? I spent 8 years in the Army under President Clinton. In the interest of not embarassing either one of us, I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt here. Thanks for bringing up President Clinton, who signed the Iraqi Liberation Act into law 10 years ago today!<!-- / message -->

The benefit of the doubt about what?

The statements you made up about the video that weren't on it?

Your Nostradamus-like predictive abilities about what would happen with an Obama presidency?

Your refusal or inability to directly respond to the questions other posters pose to you when you try to throw this progaganda against the wall?

The countless times you've been wrong about nearly everything else you posted in this forum?

Which should we give you the benefit of the doubt over?

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Which should we give you the benefit of the doubt over?


Ahem.

Experience.

banyon
11-01-2008, 09:53 AM
Ahem.

Experience.

Ah, so you've been Commander in Chief before?

Frankie
11-01-2008, 12:09 PM
Feel free to immigrate there.

Why not you guys go there to fix their horrible "liberal" disease? :hmmm:

Just sayin'.

Frankie
11-01-2008, 12:16 PM
What foreign power is bent on our destruction?

It's funny KCJs of the world are so sure there are " foreign powers bent on our destruction" while we ARE documented by history to have actually treated them and their rights as if they were lab animals and destroyed them (in terms of democracy and freedom) for our own benefit. Mosaddegh in Iran, and Allende in Chile are quick examples of this. And now of course there is the sinister plot constantly being revisited by our leadership to break Iran into little countries. :shake:

Frankie
11-01-2008, 12:21 PM
Hello? I spent 8 years in the Army under President Clinton.

Yet you have not as yet answered my simple question whether you will serve under the "communist" President Obama should he win the election.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Yet you have not as yet answered my simple question whether you will serve under the "communist" President Obama should he win the election.

He has to, or quit. Simple as that.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm88.htm

KCJohnny
11-02-2008, 08:52 PM
Why don't you type out what Senator Obama's positions are. I can't watch the video right now, nor do I put much faith in the ability of context to be accurate.

OK.
"I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems. I will institute an independent Defense Priorities Board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary defense spending ... I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal: I will not develop nuclear weapons."

http://townhall.com/Columnists/BenShapiro/2008/05/28/barack_obamas_anti-military_problem

banyon
11-02-2008, 09:06 PM
OK.

"I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems. I will institute an independent Defense Priorities Board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary defense spending ... I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal: I will not develop nuclear weapons."

http://townhall.com/Columnists/BenShapiro/2008/05/28/barack_obamas_anti-military_problem

So, nothing like this, then?


Do you not hear what he proposes? Unilateral scaling back of national defense capabilities in HOPE that rogue nations and enemies will follow suit?

Logical
11-02-2008, 09:35 PM
There is no such statement in the video at all. Now, I'm not sure you watched what you posted.

What I'm familiar with is history. And these are almost the identical hollow and fear-mongering type tactics that were used against Kerry, Gore, and Clinton. The military didn't fall apart during Clinton, and we balanced the budget, it wouldn't have with Kerry or Gore either.

Here's a video for you see what you think of it:

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CHIEF4EVER
11-02-2008, 11:25 PM
Sweden is socialist!

So is Germany....and France.....just saying.

CHIEF4EVER
11-03-2008, 03:45 AM
Libs love to quote the accomplishments of the GOP led Congress as a bona fide for their reliability.

Hello? I spent 8 years in the Army under President Clinton. In the interest of not embarassing either one of us, I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt here. Thanks for bringing up President Clinton, who signed the Iraqi Liberation Act into law 10 years ago today!<!-- / message -->

I was an Infantryman for 11 years but you don't see me using my service to somehow validate my "expertise" on matters of national security or club people over the head with it like I somehow have the moral high ground because of it. You are one of a few MILLION soldiers who have served or are serving since I got out and I don't consider any of them to be experts either. Voice your opinion using your own reason and moral compass but don't assume that because you are serving that your opinion has more weight than someones who hasn't. Just my opinion. I appreciate all you are doing for the country!

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 05:00 AM
I was an Infantryman for 11 years but you don't see me using my service to somehow validate my "expertise" on matters of national security or club people over the head with it like I somehow have the moral high ground because of it. You are one of a few MILLION soldiers who have served or are serving since I got out and I don't consider any of them to be experts either. Voice your opinion using your own reason and moral compass but don't assume that because you are serving that your opinion has more weight than someones who hasn't. Just my opinion. I appreciate all you are doing for the country!

CHIEF4EVER, I deeply admire the American Infantryman, the greatest Soldier on earth. I spent 8 years serving in the 187th Infantry (Rakkasans), Strike Brigade (2ID) and the 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment. Thank you sir, for your service to our nation.

In this particular exchange, my service was brought up not by me, but by others who attempted to pigeon-hole me into saying I would not serve under a President Obama. I did serve under President Clinton, and I am not being gratuitous when I say that I prefer serving under a republican commander-in-chief.

I also acknowledge that I have sometimes gone too far in invoking my military service when defending against some pretty ruthless and unscrupulous attacks against our leaders, our country, our deployed Warriors, and our purpose for serving in current operations. It is all the more a cause of indignation when many of these baseless, hateful remarks are levied by those with no military service, no shared experience of the rigors and sacrifices of our Armed Forces, and no respect for what it takes to serve in uniform.

I also believe that Senator Obama's own campaign pledges are fair game for scrutiny, and that we as military members are stake holders in whomever the next commander-in-chief will be. Once the votes are tallied and the new President is sworn in, it's time to salute the flagpole and move out smartly.

Once again, thanks for your service to our nation.

KCJ

patteeu
11-03-2008, 06:30 AM
So, nothing like this, then?

Did you notice that after he talks about cutting waste, he goes on and on and on about other defense cuts and moratoriums he'd impose?

patteeu
11-03-2008, 06:50 AM
I was an Infantryman for 11 years but you don't see me using my service to somehow validate my "expertise" on matters of national security or club people over the head with it like I somehow have the moral high ground because of it. You are one of a few MILLION soldiers who have served or are serving since I got out and I don't consider any of them to be experts either. Voice your opinion using your own reason and moral compass but don't assume that because you are serving that your opinion has more weight than someones who hasn't. Just my opinion. I appreciate all you are doing for the country!

I don't see anything wrong with people using their credentials to help illustrate the context of their perspective. Experience doesn't make them an unassailable authority, but it can be relevant. I'm sure this guy would agree:

I served in the Infantry for many years and also had the opportunity to train both male and female soldiers as a Drill Sergeant. I can tell you from experience that ...

Oh, and speaking of clubbing people over the head:

I have already served 11 years in the Infantry so I sort of qualify whereas the only thing your dumb traitorous ass has ever done is enjoy the freedom people like me and my son have provided/will provide to worthless wastes of oxygen like you.

Sully
11-03-2008, 06:50 AM
OK.


http://townhall.com/Columnists/BenShapiro/2008/05/28/barack_obamas_anti-military_problem

Wow.
Other than the flat out "not develop nuclear weapons," that sounds like a brilliant idea.
Thanks for the information. Once again, I agree with Senator Obama.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2008, 07:28 AM
Obama: Completely Awesome on National Defense:

http://i36.tinypic.com/oli53.gif http://i36.tinypic.com/oli53.gif

patteeu
11-03-2008, 07:52 AM
Obama: Completely Awesome on National Defense:

http://i36.tinypic.com/oli53.gif http://i36.tinypic.com/oli53.gif

I can't make out the insignia on that soldier. Is that Obama disarming our own military with his bare hands?

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 08:13 AM
I can't make out the insignia on that soldier. Is that Obama disarming our own military with his bare hands?

Whether or not the cartoon intends that, that is the reality of an Obama "we disarm first, follow us!" regime.

vailpass
11-03-2008, 08:24 AM
Cartoon military "experience". Great.

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:40 AM
Cartoon military "experience". Great.

LMAO

banyon
11-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Did you notice that after he talks about cutting waste, he goes on and on and on about other defense cuts and moratoriums he'd impose?

Yes, it was mainly the stuff that 98% of voters wouldn't support like the weaponization of space and further development of nuclear weapons to add to our existing arsenal.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2008, 12:39 PM
I can't make out the insignia on that soldier. Is that Obama disarming our own military with his bare hands?He's taking down despots in South America.

Cartoon military "experience". Great.That's bonus content from a video game. The cartoon is McCain's campaign.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 12:45 PM
I wonder why a guy, with a name like his, would want to disarm us?