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Donger
10-31-2008, 12:46 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obamas-new-atta.html

On the stump this week, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has pushed back against Sen. John McCain's description of his tax policies.

"The reason that we want to do this, change our tax code, is not because I have anything against the rich," Obama said in Sarasota, Florida, yesterday. "I love rich people! I want all of you to be rich. Go for it. That’s the America dream, that’s the American way, that’s terrific.

"The point is, though, that -- and it’s not just charity, it’s not just that I want to help the middle class and working people who are trying to get in the middle class -- it’s that when we actually make sure that everybody’s got a shot – when young people can all go to college, when everybody’s got decent health care, when everybody’s got a little more money at the end of the month – then guess what? Everybody starts spending that money, they decide maybe I can afford a new car, maybe I can afford a computer for my child. They can buy the products and services that businesses are selling and everybody is better off. All boats rise. That’s what happened in the 1990s, that’s what we need to restore. And that’s what I’m gonna do as president of the United States of America.

"John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic," Obama continued. "You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

It's unclear if this was a nod to the Ayn Rand book "The Virtue of Selfishness," with all that the invocation of Rand implies.

It would seem to be, given the themes of Rand's work, what happens when independent achievers are demonized.

Which would fit with this description of those who want to keep their hard-earned tax dollars as "selfish."

Atlas may not be shrugging, but Obama is.

DeezNutz
10-31-2008, 12:47 PM
"Simple fairness."

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 12:49 PM
They had some chick on MSNBC going on about how she will never have to work again once she helps get Obama in.

irishjayhawk
10-31-2008, 12:49 PM
The only downside for McCain is that he's on video saying that the rich should have no problem giving more.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-31-2008, 12:50 PM
"You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

He said this verbatim last night in CoMo.

All of us young socialistic terrorist, baby killing godless jew fucks applauded heavily...because we're satan and all.

Donger
10-31-2008, 12:56 PM
"You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

He said this verbatim last night in CoMo.

All of us young socialistic terrorist, baby killing godless jew ****s applauded heavily...because we're satan and all.

What is your effective tax rate?

Robo-Chachi
10-31-2008, 12:57 PM
McCain loves to say how Obama is not for the middle-class, but then when his programs are designed to help the middle-class, people call him a socialist. People would rather focus on thinking the nation is going to become a welfare state. You'd think this board was made up of people who make $400,000/year.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-31-2008, 12:58 PM
What is your effective tax rate?

1 billion percent.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 12:59 PM
McCain loves to say how Obama is not for the middle-class, but then when his programs are designed to help the middle-class, people call him a socialist. People would rather focus on thinking the nation is going to become a welfare state. You'd think this board was made up of people who make $400,000/year.

I still equate it to the high school theory of people who want to be in the club yet never will.

"He wants to punish my success" odds are your success isn't going to put you in the top 5%.

Chief Henry
10-31-2008, 01:00 PM
They had some chick on MSNBC going on about how she will never have to work again once she helps get Obama in.

Free cheese
Free homes
Free health care
Free energy assistance

Whats the next ?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-31-2008, 01:01 PM
Free cheese
Free homes
Free health care
Free energy assistance

Whats the next ?

Honestly, I can't wait until they implement a Soviet Bread line over here. Do you know how easy it is to pick up starving chicks? Offer them the protein pickup and they can survive for another two days.

Mecca
10-31-2008, 01:02 PM
Honestly, I can't wait until they implement a Soviet Bread line over here. Do you know how easy it is to pick up starving chicks? Offer them the protein pickup and they can survive for another two days.

I'll prepared with my special milkshake for em, this will be great and will give us all new stories for the worst screw thread.

Donger
10-31-2008, 01:02 PM
1 billion percent.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't answer that truthfully.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 01:03 PM
How Low Can It Go? Richardson Pegs Middle Class as Those Making Under $120,000
For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama's definition of the middle class.

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For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama's definition of the middle class -- leading Republicans to question whether he'll stick to his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000.

The latest hiccup in the campaign message came Friday morning on KOA-AM, when New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson pegged the middle class as those making $120,000 and under.

Click here to listen to Richardson talk about Obama's tax plan.

"What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those," Richardson said in the interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube.

There's no indication that Obama has changed his tax policy, which states that anyone making under $200,000 would get a tax cut under his administration, and nobody making under $250,000 would be hit with a tax increase. Richardson actually recited that part of Obama's plan correctly earlier in his radio interview.

But the Republican National Committee quickly blasted out an e-mail saying, "At this rate, it won't take long until Obama is again raising taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year."

"When Barack Obama comes to your door this Halloween, there will be no treats -- just taxes," the e-mail said.

Joe Biden caused headaches for the campaign Monday when he told a Scranton, Pa., TV station that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."

John McCain said the tax threshold was "creeping down," while the Obama campaign accused him of lying about Obama's tax policies.

Donger
10-31-2008, 01:04 PM
McCain loves to say how Obama is not for the middle-class, but then when his programs are designed to help the middle-class, people call him a socialist. People would rather focus on thinking the nation is going to become a welfare state. You'd think this board was made up of people who make $400,000/year.

What would you call giving a "tax break" to people who don't pay income tax?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-31-2008, 01:04 PM
I can't imagine why you wouldn't answer that truthfully.

I'll put it this way. We pay more in payroll tax than we do in income tax. But we still pay income tax.

BigRedChief
10-31-2008, 01:05 PM
What would you call giving a "tax break" to people who don't pay income tax?
Marxist?

Donger
10-31-2008, 01:06 PM
Joe Biden caused headaches for the campaign Monday when he told a Scranton, Pa., TV station that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."

Heh. Tacit admission that they can't pay for all their spending just by taxing "the rich"?

donkhater
10-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Where to start?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obamas-new-atta.html

"The point is, though, that -- and it’s not just charity,

That's right, it isn't charity. It's taking from one group and giving to another based on your values. It's not charity if you give away other people's money.

it’s not just that I want to help the middle class and working people who are trying to get in the middle class -- it’s that when we actually make sure that everybody’s got a shot – when young people can all go to college

Since when are all young people created equal, intellect-wise. Not all kids can or want to go.

when everybody’s got decent health care

I thought he was for a one-payer system? What's that got to do with decent healthcare?

when everybody’s got a little more money at the end of the month

How is that going to happen when you're taxing them to death? Yeah, yeah only the top 5%, right? I got ocean-front property in Arizona to sell you, too.

– then guess what? Everybody starts spending that money, they decide maybe I can afford a new car, maybe I can afford a computer for my child.

Now every child deserves a computer? Jeez.

They can buy the products and services that businesses are selling

You mean those that survive your charitable philosophy?

and everybody is better off. All boats rise. That’s what happened in the 1990s, that’s what we need to restore. And that’s what I’m gonna do as president of the United States of America.

"John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic,"

That's because it is.

Obama continued. "You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

It's called individualism and liberty, idiot. I thought this guy was supposed to be smart?



It's unclear if this was a nod to the Ayn Rand book "The Virtue of Selfishness," with all that the invocation of Rand implies.

It would seem to be, given the themes of Rand's work, what happens when independent achievers are demonized.

Which would fit with this description of those who want to keep their hard-earned tax dollars as "selfish."

Atlas may not be shrugging, but Obama is.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Heh. Tacit admission that they can't pay for all their spending just by taxing "the rich"?

From 250k to 42k in the drop of a hat. LMAO I can't believe anyone buys this guys shit. He was so obviously lying it was ridiculous. I guess it's time to kick the reporters off the plane that are pointing out the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Donger
10-31-2008, 01:11 PM
From 250k to 42k in the drop of a hat. LMAO I can't believe anyone buys this guys shit. He was so obviously lying it was ridiculous. I guess it's time to kick the reporters off the plane that are pointing out the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

I actually have some respect for those who support Barack Hussein AND will be paying higher taxes. I disagree with them, of course, but at least they have something to lose and are still willing to vote for him.

Folks like Amnorix, etc.

J Diddy
10-31-2008, 01:14 PM
Heh. Tacit admission that they can't pay for all their spending just by taxing "the rich"?



Or just a slip of the tongue.

Guru
10-31-2008, 01:15 PM
They had some chick on MSNBC going on about how she will never have to work again once she helps get Obama in.

Those are the people that should not be allowed to vote. They are too stupid.

donkhater
10-31-2008, 01:20 PM
I actually have some respect for those who support Barack Hussein AND will be paying higher taxes. I disagree with them, of course, but at least they have something to lose and are still willing to vote for him.


I don't. Instead of cow-towing to a buraucracy and paying taxes, why not take that extra money you got lying around that you don't mind losing and giving it directly to a charity? Or spend it at some small business? Instead of perpetuating a myth that an inefficiant govermental machine can solve all ills.

Donger
10-31-2008, 01:22 PM
I don't. Instead of cow-towing to a buraucracy and paying taxes, why not take that extra money you got lying around that you don't mind losing and giving it directly to a charity? Or spend it at some small business? Instead of perpetuating a myth that an inefficiant govermental machine can solve all ills.

As I said, I obviously disagree. But, folks like that are putting their money where their mouth is. Folks like Hamas or Mecca? It's easy for them.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 01:23 PM
I actually have some respect for those who support Barack Hussein AND will be paying higher taxes. I disagree with them, of course, but at least they have something to lose and are still willing to vote for him.

Folks like Amnorix, etc.

Just got 5 to 1 odds and put some coin down on McCain.

RaiderH8r
10-31-2008, 01:39 PM
Free cheese
Free homes
Free health care
Free energy assistance

Whats the next ?

Free clinic
Free Willie
Free James Brown
Free Tibet

I'll take it!

RaiderH8r
10-31-2008, 01:40 PM
What would you call giving a "tax break" to people who don't pay income tax?

Vote purchase?

J Diddy
10-31-2008, 01:41 PM
Just got 5 to 1 odds and put some coin down on McCain.

bet they saw you coming a mile away

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 01:45 PM
bet they saw you coming a mile away

Feel free to step up to the plate since it's such a done deal there hot shot. Might as well bet the ranch.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 02:22 PM
How Low Can It Go? Richardson Pegs Middle Class as Those Making Under $120,000You live in California. I can see why that would seem low to you.

Over $120,000 a year is more than enough to live very comfortably in the vast majority of the country.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 02:23 PM
Just got 5 to 1 odds and put some coin down on McCain.If Obama wins, you don't post on the Planet for a year. If McCain wins, I won't post on the Planet for five years.

Deal?

Alphaman
10-31-2008, 02:30 PM
I actually have some respect for those who support Barack Hussein AND will be paying higher taxes. I disagree with them, of course, but at least they have something to lose and are still willing to vote for him.

Folks like Amnorix, etc.


That is the category I fall in as well. I think it is a small price to pay to get the better leader in the White House.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 02:32 PM
If Obama wins, you don't post on the Planet for a year. If McCain wins, I won't post on the Planet for five years.

Deal?

Can I still do the gambling thread?

MagicHef
10-31-2008, 02:40 PM
You live in California. I can see why that would seem low to you.

Over $120,000 a year is more than enough to live very comfortably in the vast majority of the country.

Yes, it is the number itself that is worrying people, not the fact that it seems to change, always in a downward direction.

donkhater
10-31-2008, 02:41 PM
If Obama wins, you don't post on the Planet for a year. If McCain wins, I won't post on the Planet for five years.

Deal?

You would do that to the man who gave us the girly pics thread? Have you no shame?

whoman69
10-31-2008, 02:46 PM
There's been a lot of misrepresentation about Obama's program from the very start. His message has been consistent from the start. Individuals making over $200k and couples at $250k will return to the Clinton level tax rate. 95% of Americans fall under those levels. Those who make over $120k but under those other levels will continue the Bush tax cut level. I suppose if the right can charge John Kerry for raising taxes in situations where he votes to keep things the same, then Obama can claim this is a tax cut.

MagicHef
10-31-2008, 02:54 PM
There's been a lot of misrepresentation about Obama's program from the very start. His message has been consistent from the start. Individuals making over $200k and couples at $250k will return to the Clinton level tax rate. 95% of Americans fall under those levels. Those who make over $120k but under those other levels will continue the Bush tax cut level. I suppose if the right can charge John Kerry for raising taxes in situations where he votes to keep things the same, then Obama can claim this is a tax cut.

Where does Biden's $150,000 fit into this, or did he just misspeak?

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:05 PM
There's been a lot of misrepresentation about Obama's program from the very start. His message has been consistent from the start. Individuals making over $200k and couples at $250k will return to the Clinton level tax rate. 95% of Americans fall under those levels. Those who make over $120k but under those other levels will continue the Bush tax cut level. I suppose if the right can charge John Kerry for raising taxes in situations where he votes to keep things the same, then Obama can claim this is a tax cut.

LMAO Unfriggenbelievable.

Rooster
10-31-2008, 03:06 PM
You would do that to the man who gave us the girly pics thread? Have you no shame?

I don't think Peanut cares much about the girly pic thread. :D

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:08 PM
I don't think Peanut cares much about the girly pic thread. :D

Seeing as he will never pose in it.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:09 PM
I don't think Peanut cares much about the girly pic thread. :D

Think he already has another screen name anyway, SportsRacer

Chief Henry
10-31-2008, 03:09 PM
I thought this thread was going to be about the Obots throwing several newspapers off his plane that are promoting John McCain for President.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 03:16 PM
Can I still do the gambling thread?Sure. If you lose, you can post in CasinoPlanet. If I lose, I can post in Media Center Edition.

So the terms are:

Obama wins election - Big Daddy cannot post on the Planet (excepting CasinoPlanet) for a year.
McCain wins election - Ultra Peanut cannot post on the Planet (excepting Media Center Edition) for five years.

MagicHef
10-31-2008, 03:19 PM
Think he already has another screen name anyway, SportsRacer

Are you referring to me? I'm not trying to assume anything, but Simply Red thought I was a dupe of Ultra Peanut, and I was just wondering if anyone else thought the same.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-31-2008, 03:19 PM
Sure. If you lose, you can post in CasinoPlanet. If I lose, I can post in Media Center Edition.

So the terms are:

Obama wins election - Big Daddy cannot post on the Planet (excepting CasinoPlanet) for a year.
McCain wins election - Ultra Peanut cannot post on the Planet (excepting Media Center Edition) for five years.

Do it, BD!! Do it!!

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:22 PM
Are you referring to me? I'm not trying to assume anything, but Simply Red thought I was a dupe of Ultra Peanut, and I was just wondering if anyone else thought the same.

Not unless your name is SportsRacer.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:24 PM
Sure. If you lose, you can post in CasinoPlanet. If I lose, I can post in Media Center Edition.

So the terms are:

Obama wins election - Big Daddy cannot post on the Planet (excepting CasinoPlanet) for a year.
McCain wins election - Ultra Peanut cannot post on the Planet (excepting Media Center Edition) for five years.

That's hardly the same, you have a whole forum you can post in all year and I have a couple bets I can toss up during the season.

MagicHef
10-31-2008, 03:24 PM
Hmm... I see what you're saying there. Reading comprehension is always a plus.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 03:26 PM
That's hardly the same, you have a whole forum you can post in all year and I have a couple bets I can toss up during the season.Nobody said it was the same. Your exile is one year, mine is five. CasinoPlanet seems pretty lively these days.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:26 PM
Sure. If you lose, you can post in CasinoPlanet. If I lose, I can post in Media Center Edition.

So the terms are:

Obama wins election - Big Daddy cannot post on the Planet (excepting CasinoPlanet) for a year.
McCain wins election - Ultra Peanut cannot post on the Planet (excepting Media Center Edition) for five years.

Tell you what, I'll take it.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 03:27 PM
Tell you what, I'll take it.I accept the terms of this agreement.

Update your OP, Hamas.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:27 PM
Do it, BD!! Do it!!

Done. You guys may be closer than you think to communist planet. LMAO

DaneMcCloud
10-31-2008, 03:36 PM
I actually have some respect for those who support Barack Hussein AND will be paying higher taxes. I disagree with them, of course, but at least they have something to lose and are still willing to vote for him.

Folks like Amnorix, etc.

My wife said just last night "We'll be paying more with Obama as President, but it's for the greater good".

I tend to agree.

BIG_DADDY
10-31-2008, 03:37 PM
My wife said just last night "We'll be paying more with Obama as President, but it's for the greater good".

I tend to agree.

You really disappoint me dude.

DaneMcCloud
10-31-2008, 03:40 PM
You really disappoint me dude.

Why?

Because we'd rather pay higher taxes than go through 4 more years of the Bush Doctrine? Because my 6 month old daughter is smarter than Palin and I don't want to her as President when McCain dies?

I was all over Ron Paul. Unfortunately, no one else supported him. So I need to vote Democrat, if not for anything other than the Supreme Court.

Taco John
10-31-2008, 04:06 PM
We are already a socialist country. We've been one for over 50 years now.

Baby Lee
10-31-2008, 04:32 PM
"You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

He said this verbatim last night in CoMo.

All of us young socialistic terrorist, baby killing godless jew ****s applauded heavily...because we're satan and all.


The plain facts are, it's not 'making' a virtue out of selfishness. It's realizing that selfishness is in human nature and figuring how best to make it work positively.

A fact about myself I've realized, which explains a lot about how difficult it is for me to define myself politically, is that, for me it's not liberal or conservative or libertarian or authoritarian. I'm a Skinnerian. I believe fundamentally, people extinguish behaviors that punish them and maximize behaviors that reward them. There may be a myriad ways that reward, punish, extinguish and maximize take form in each individual, but I believe it's a universal motive force.
It explains the ravages of welfare [punishing family formation and ambition and rewarding submission]. It explains the labrynthine meanderings of abuses and regulations and abuses of new regulation and new regulations to abuse in the campaign finance arena.
The upshot it, in seeking reward and avoiding punishment, people are inherently selfish. They may not appear selfish, particularly if they derive more reward from altruism, but when it comes down to brass tacks, people are little calculators tabulating what makes them most comfortable and acting accordingly.

jidar
10-31-2008, 04:58 PM
Truth hurts.

***SPRAYER
10-31-2008, 04:58 PM
I'll prepared with my special milkshake for em, this will be great and will give us all new stories for the worst screw thread.




Libtard. :drool:

BucEyedPea
10-31-2008, 05:06 PM
Free cheese
Free homes
Free health care
Free energy assistance

Whats the next ?
Free college

***SPRAYER
10-31-2008, 05:08 PM
Free college

You mean the professors and Deans will all work for free?

:drool:

Logical
10-31-2008, 05:10 PM
Sure. If you lose, you can post in CasinoPlanet. If I lose, I can post in Media Center Edition.

So the terms are:

Obama wins election - Big Daddy cannot post on the Planet (excepting CasinoPlanet) for a year.
McCain wins election - Ultra Peanut cannot post on the Planet (excepting Media Center Edition) for five years.

I think we need to give Big Daddy a week to show up and admit how wrong he was to say a black man cannot win the Presidency.

Logical
10-31-2008, 05:17 PM
Why?

Because we'd rather pay higher taxes than go through 4 more years of the Bush Doctrine? Because my 6 month old daughter is smarter than Palin and I don't want to her as President when McCain dies?

I was all over Ron Paul. Unfortunately, no one else supported him. So I need to vote Democrat, if not for anything other than the Supreme Court.I cannot possibly say it better, exactly the same here.

Ultra Peanut
10-31-2008, 05:54 PM
I think we need to give Big Daddy a week to show up and admit how wrong he was to say a black man cannot win the Presidency.Oh, I'd definitely say the exile should go from November 11, 2008 through November 10, 2009.