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KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 10:37 AM
US election: If Iraqis could vote it would be for McCain (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081030170209.3wcxfwin&show_article=1)

For five years Ali and Mohammed have lived alongside US soldiers in their Baghdad neighbourhood near Rasheed Street, a prominent commercial artery running through the heart of the Iraqi capital. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Iraqi%20capital&sid=breitbart.com)


During that time American culture and politics have become familiar to them, and they say that if they could, they would vote for Republican candidate John McCain (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=John%20McCain&sid=breitbart.com) in next week's US presidential election.

"McCain would be best for Iraq because he would ensure stability," said Ali, 66, an expert on the Sumerian era.

The personal qualities and political platforms of McCain and his Democrat rival Barack Obama are of little import to Ali, however. His focus is on Iraq and its neighbours such as Iran.


"The Iranians believe that if Obama is elected he will not take action against them despite their nuclear ambitions. That worries me," said Ali, sitting on an old bench in Al-Zahawi coffee shop.

"If the Iranians get the bomb they will become the Tarzan of the region," said the former teacher and lecturer at the University of Baghdad, referring to the vine-swinging strongman of the jungle in old Hollywood movies. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Hollywood%20movies&sid=breitbart.com)

Mohammed, also a professor at the university, said he too preferred McCain "because Obama supports a rapid withdrawal of US troops."

"Our army is still too weak and Turkey and Iran are threats. Iran's President (Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad has warned Iran would fill the void left when US troops depart," he said.

Rasheed Street with its 1920s-style buildings is still closed to vehicles, and groups of anti-Al-Qaeda fighters guard the stretch that runs north to south.


The street was the scene of major attacks by insurgents after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Saddam%20Hussein%27s%20regime&sid=breitbart.com) in 2003 to US-led invading forces. But even before that many business establishments (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=business%20establishments&sid=breitbart.com) had begun to move away from the thoroughfare.

Today, a few hundred metres (yards) from Al-Zahawi coffee shop, is the famous Al-Mutnabi books market, the only place where Baghdadis can find English books and magazines.

Booksellers display a range of computer publications, periodicals, works of fiction and school textbooks on wooden shelves.

Barack Obama's image peers out between two editions of "Vanity Fair" magazine kept next to the memoirs of former US president Bill Clinton.
But "The Audacity of Hope," one of Obama's books, has yet to find a buyer.


"I have no customer for this book. Iraqis are interested in the campaign, but they prefer to read texts translated into Arabic," said bookseller Shallan Zaidan.

Such Arabic versions, translated and published by Lebanese companies, include "My Year in Iraq" by Paul Bremer, the former US administrator of Iraq, and "Bush at War" by renowned investigative journalist Bob Woodward.

But there are no translations of books on the two candidates bidding to enter the White House.

Iraqis prefer instead to rely on the latest issues of weekly news publications such as Time and Newsweek, said government official Whamith Shadhan, who was browsing through second-hand books and magazines.

"I trust the Republicans more. They're more capable of establishing democracy in the world, especially in Arab countries," said the 33-year-old. "Obama is far too left."


Since the invasion more than five years ago, the Mutanabi market has been twice hit by bombs. The area is predominantly Sunni, and judging by some graffiti on the walls Al-Qaeda is never far away.

"The insurgents aren't bothered by political books sold on the street. They focus on religious ones," said Yasser Ali, an Obama supporter and seller of books for 22 years.

Obama "interrupted his campaign to visit his sick grandmother. That speaks volumes about the man," he said.

Back on Rasheed Street itself, Abu Ahmed waited at a men's hairdresser as his friend got a shave.

"We accept black people more readily in the Middle East. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Middle%20East&sid=breitbart.com) We feel closer to them. We have common sufferings," said the long-time sports coach.

"It would be nice if the Americans elected a black person. And Obama seems less inclined to engage in another war."

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 10:42 AM
Title of article should read:

If Ali and Mohammed could vote, it would be for McCain



Johnny speaks for the military, middle America, and Christians worldwide.

Apparently, Ali and Mohammed speak for all Iraqis.

banyon
11-01-2008, 10:45 AM
I believe that this may be accurate about Iraq:

Blue - Obama, Red = McCain.

http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 10:47 AM
I believe that this may be accurate about Iraq:

Blue - Obama, Red = McCain.

http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/

Socialist/marxist propoganda at work.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 10:47 AM
ROFL


does that mean the McCain is now a Islamic terrorist since he is so beloved by the middle east?

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Why is KCJohnny suggesting we should allow the opinions of foreigners to affect our elections?

I might expect that from jAZ or meme, but not KCJ. LMAO

Socialist/marxist propoganda at work.

At least the Dem. Republic of the Congo, Algeria, Iraq, and Cuba are immune. ROFL ROFL ROFL.








http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/22/Al-Qaida_Web_site_supporting_McCain/UPI-31211224676774/ :p

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 10:50 AM
I expect as much from people who have never set foot inside Iraq.

banyon
11-01-2008, 10:51 AM
Socialist/marxist propoganda at work.

Yeah, there's a ton of Marxists at The Economist.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 10:52 AM
I expect as much from people who have never set foot inside Iraq.
:eek: :eek:


did johnny just do it? Did he just play the "im in the military" card?




now where was that post about how he wouldn't do that. :hmmm:

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 10:55 AM
:eek: :eek:


did johnny just do it? Did he just play the "im in the military" card?




now where was that post about how he wouldn't do that. :hmmm:

ROFL

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 10:55 AM
:eek: :eek:


did johnny just do it? Did he just play the "im in the military" card?




now where was that post about how he wouldn't do that. :hmmm:

Thousands of people including some of your sweetheart journalists have set foot in Iraq and are not in the US Military.

I'm soooooooo sorry that you are offended by my boots-on-the-ground experience.

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 10:56 AM
Yeah, there's a ton of Marxists at The Economist.

That's his standard reply for everything now.

He's like a Chatty Cathy doll with a busted string. Just keeps saying the same thing over, and over, and over.

I'm still wondering if he's going to turn in his resignation to his commanding officer on January 20, 2009.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 10:57 AM
That's his standard reply for everything now.

He's like a Chatty Cathy doll with a busted string. Just keeps saying the same thing over, and over, and over.

I'm still wondering if he's going to turn in his resignation to his commanding officer on January 20, 2009.

On the other hand, your brilliant analysis has added depth to the discussion.

LMAO

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 10:57 AM
Thousands of people including some of your sweetheart journalists have set foot in Iraq and are not in the US Military.

I'm soooooooo sorry that you are offended by my boots-on-the-ground experience.

but did all those journalists wear BOOTS?


eager minds want to know!!!





footwear is very important :harumph:

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:00 AM
I'm still wondering if he's going to turn in his resignation to his commanding officer on January 20, 2009.


What's the over/under on "he will remain, hang himself on a figurative cross, and bemoan how much he's sacrificing for all the rest of us putting up with a Marxist CinC"?

(Or an Alaska Perm. Fund Marxist VP, if McCain/Palin wins. )

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:00 AM
On the other hand, your brilliant analysis has added depth to the discussion.

LMAO

My brilliant analysis blew this retarded thread out of the water in post #2.

Thanks for teeing up a fat one for me to knock out of the park, John. You never fail to disappoint.

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:03 AM
What's the over/under on "he will remain, hang himself on a figurative cross, and bemoan how much he's sacrificing for all the rest of us putting up with a Marxist CinC"?

That's where my money is going.

Granted, I have to bet a million to win a hundred, but I feel it's a solid bet.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 11:03 AM
My brilliant analysis blew this retarded thread out of the water in post #2.

Thanks for teeing up a fat one for me to knock out of the park, John. You never fail to disappoint.

ROFL

Baby.

kstater
11-01-2008, 11:05 AM
Why the fuck should I care what people from halfway around the world, that have nothing to do with this election, cannot vote in this election, have to say about this election?

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Why the **** should I care what people from halfway around the world, that have nothing to do with this election, cannot vote in this election, have to say about this election?

That's what I'm wondering. I thought the traditional right wing position was we shouldn't worry about what foreign powers think we should do. :shrug:

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:06 AM
ROFL

Baby.

What? You're not going to back up the article YOU posted?

Nothing on YouTube?

WorldNetDaily?

Craigslist?

Come on, John. You have to have more than Ali and Muhammed to make a claim that ALL Iraqi's would vote for McCain if they could.....

Right?

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Why the **** should I care what people from halfway around the world, that have nothing to do with this election, cannot vote in this election, have to say about this election?

Do they have newspapers in your part of the country?

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Gee, what a great warrior. Bagging one part of his own country in all in the name of honor.

kstater
11-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Do they have newspapers in your part of the country?

I read all of them.

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:07 AM
What? You're not going to back up the article YOU posted?

Nothing on YouTube?

WorldNetDaily?

Craigslist?

Come on, John. You have to have more than Ali and Muhammed to make a claim that ALL Iraqi's would vote for McCain if they could.....

Right?

I suspect the only links that would back that up are from the DSM-IV.

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I suspect the only links that would back that up are from the DSM-IV.

LMAO

Not sure which is funnier.

Your post, or the thought of John feverishly googling "DSM-IV"

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 11:08 AM
What? You're not going to back up the article YOU posted?

Nothing on YouTube?

WorldNetDaily?

Craigslist?

Come on, John. You have to have more than Ali and Muhammed to make a claim that ALL Iraqi's would vote for McCain if they could.....

Right?

Please, blather on. I have 14 months combat duty in Baghdad. Of course your anonymous internet posturings behind a fake username are more credible. I humbly step aside for your enlightening pontifications.

KCJ

Defeated by superior experience and intellect

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 11:09 AM
Please, blather on. I have 14 months combat duty in Baghdad. Of course your anonymous internet posturings behind a fake username are more credible. I humbly step aside for your enlightening pontifications.

KCJ

Defeated by superior experience and intellect

:eek: :eek:

he did it again!!!


where is that post?

kstater
11-01-2008, 11:12 AM
Oh I get it, Bush is going to make the Iraqis all US citizens, THAT's why we should care that more of them might vote for McCain. The real question, how many EC votes will they get.

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
LMAO

Not sure which is funnier.

Your post, or the thought of John feverishly googling "DSM-IV"

I'm sure he prefers teh Malleus Maleficarum . LMAO

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Please, blather on. I have 14 months combat duty in Baghdad. Of course your anonymous internet posturings behind a fake username are more credible. I humbly step aside for your enlightening pontifications.

KCJ

Defeated by superior experience and intellect

Trust me, John. We know about your duty. You throw it in our face every chance you get.

That aside, your service has NOTHING to do with posting an article that is titled:

If Iraqis could vote, it would be for McCain

and the article in question has no polling, no survey numbers - NOTHING to support that claim, OTHER than what Ali and Mohammed the Iraqis think.

Ali and Mohammed would vote for McCain.

Nothing more. Trying to pass off the opinions of Ali and Mohammed as the opinions of all Iraqis is disingenuous at best.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Sad. The Iraqis have been dominated by terrorist governments until 2003, and now that we intervene on behalf of freedom, you leftists mock our sacrifices and ridicule the heroic Iraqi people.

Nice.


Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.

KCJohnny
11-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Trust me, John. We know about your duty. You throw it in our face every chance you get.

.

You know jack shit about what me and my fellow vets have been through.

Nice try, pretender.

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.

Yep.

Pay attention that the grandstanding KCJ has falsely implied that the opinion of two Iraqis is indicative of the entire Iraqi nation. LMAO

Oh, and has been mocked and utterly refuted. :D

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:18 AM
Sad. The Iraqis have been dominated by terrorist governments until 2003, and now that we intervene on behalf of freedom, you leftists mock our sacrifices and ridicule the heroic Iraqi people.

Nice.


Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.

Throw your pity party somewhere else, John.

The only thing is happening in this thread, is that you started a misleading (shocker) thread, with a misleading title, and are being called out on it.

If you don't like it, maybe you should think twice before posting every piece of cut-and-paste tripe you stumble across.

OnTheWarpath58
11-01-2008, 11:19 AM
You know jack shit about what me and my fellow vets have been through.

Nice try, pretender.

Such language, John.

Would you kiss Jesus with that mouth?

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:21 AM
Throw your pity party somewhere else, John.

The only thing is happening in this thread, is that you started a misleading (shocker) thread, with a misleading title, and are being called out on it.

If you don't like it, maybe you should think twice before posting every piece of cut-and-paste tripe you stumble across.:thumb:

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:35 AM
I believe that this may be accurate about Iraq:

Blue - Obama, Red = McCain.

http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/

When you've got Russia, China, and France on your side you know you've got something special going on.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 11:35 AM
You know jack shit about what me and my fellow vets have been through.

Nice try, pretender.
omg ..... you just really don't comprehend


i thought maybe you were just avoiding for political expediency.


yikes

banyon
11-01-2008, 11:36 AM
When you've got Russia, China, and France on your side you know you've got something special going on.

Don't forget Israel and just about the rest of the world. :thumb:

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:37 AM
John's military experience makes him an expert on every topic-Didn't you get the memo?

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:38 AM
When you've got the <s>Russia, China, and France</s> Dem. Republic of the Congo, Algeria, Iraq, and Cuba on your side you know you've got something special going on.

Heh.

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:39 AM
It's better to have them AGAINST, right?

kstater
11-01-2008, 11:39 AM
I read all of them.

Man, I was really wishing for a response to this.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 11:40 AM
John's military experience makes him an expert on every topic-Didn't you get the memo?
don't forget John McCain


i hear he's going to start performing brain surgery on monday.

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Man, I was really wishing for a response to this.
I thought it was funny-it was a Palin reference. Good stuff.

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:42 AM
don't forget John McCain


i hear he's going to start performing brain surgery on monday.

He did sleep at one of his thirteen houses, errr Holiday Inn.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:49 AM
Just stop with this.

LMAO

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 12:00 PM
TWO Iraqi's would vote for McCain. Jeez, that was really informative. Now, Johnny is siding with Iraqi's to counter an American. Yep, he sure is patriotic.

Mr Luzcious
11-01-2008, 12:02 PM
If Latvians could vote they would vote for... oh, wait. Who cares?

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 12:03 PM
TWO Iraqi's would vote for McCain. Jeez, that was really informative. Now, Johnny is siding with Iraqi's to counter an American. Yep, he sure is patriotic.
Johnny is a terrorist sympathizer!!!!


SPY ............ SPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


quick ... have Claythan check John's rectal cavity for an I.E.D

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 12:05 PM
Johnny is a terrorist sympathizer!!!!


SPY ............ SPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


quick ... have Claythan check John's rectal cavity for an I.E.D:D

whatsmynameagain
11-01-2008, 12:16 PM
Sad. The Iraqis have been dominated by terrorist governments until 2003, and now that we intervene on behalf of freedom, you leftists mock our sacrifices and ridicule the heroic Iraqi people.

Nice.


Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.

John, I dont think anybody mocks your sacrifice. Im glad you have the balls to sign up to be in our military. I personally couldn't do it and I will admit that. I agree that Iraq was a place before we entered that is just as bad now that we are there. The only difference is that who is on the receiving end sunnis vs shias now shias vs sunnis. I really hope things over there are getting better for the Iraqis and soldiers such as yourself. I saw that troop deaths are way down and that is great. I want to know about the iraqi death count as well. Not only iraqi military personal but civilians as well. My question is, since you felt Iraq was a bad place that needed change, do you share that same philosophy with the African countries that are being dominated by terrorists? If you say yes and would fight for that then we have a lot in common. The big difference between the two is money/oil. We have something to gain from taking over Iraq the way we have, not so much in Africa. When you really think about the 2 situations in comparison you will see resemblences in the differences the left and right have. We should do whats right , gain or no gain.

Smed1065
11-01-2008, 12:28 PM
Please, blather on. I have 14 months combat duty in Baghdad. Of course your anonymous internet posturings behind a fake username are more credible. I humbly step aside for your enlightening pontifications.

KCJ

Defeated by superior experience and intellect

Read my lips. I will not use my military experience as a defense, rule or...

Fuck it! I know all because the military told me I did! I am a Christian!

Heathens. I live by the word, or my BS anyway.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Such language, John.

Would you kiss Jesus with that mouth?
Zomg ... i missed this earlier


LMAO LMAO

Smed1065
11-01-2008, 12:30 PM
You know jack shit about what me and my fellow vets have been through.

Nice try, pretender.

I am a vet remember. Glad I never served with you or I would be ashamed to mention it.

Do not speak for proud Americans.

The one-LOL

Taco John
11-01-2008, 12:31 PM
Why should I care what Iraqis think about the US Election?

|Zach|
11-01-2008, 12:34 PM
I just got my voter registration card.

My polling place is in Bhagdad.

wazu
11-01-2008, 01:01 PM
Why should I care what Iraqis think about the US Election?

Because they have a long and storied history of choosing wise leaders.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 01:05 PM
Why should I care what Iraqis think about the US Election?

They are our largest welfare recipients.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 01:12 PM
I can't believe I just read this ridiculous thread.

WilliamTheIrish
11-01-2008, 01:14 PM
The official lexicon (CPS) is "beleave". Get with the program.

whoman69
11-01-2008, 01:20 PM
As the right has pointed out for years about Bush, other countries don't decide this election.

Sully
11-01-2008, 01:24 PM
International Prestige!!!
Britney Spears!!!!
Paris Hilton!!!!

Bowser
11-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Because they have a long and storied history of choosing wise leaders.


Heh.

Taco John
11-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Because they have a long and storied history of choosing wise leaders.


Hilarious!


Republicans are so full of inconsistency. It's irritating. They yell the loudest about Hollywood commenting on elections, and yet they worship a Hollywood actor as Republican Jesus. They yell the loudest about not caring what the rest of the world thinks about us, but they'll tout what the Iraqis think of the election as though they believe that we should be worried about what the world community thinks of us. They preach about socialism while promoting a guy who wants to offer a "winning" company billions of dollars for developing a battery cell technology that would pay for itself a hundred times over if it were ever developed. That same candidate wants to offer a $300 billion dollar bailout - a housing new deal. And then these socialist yelling/socialist backing jerks spend every minute the can smearing the socialist that they're not supporting knowing that they can't argue a positive economic position because they don't have one. Republicans are in no mans land right now when it comes to economics. Unwitting socialists. The worst kind.

Dave Lane
11-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Because he is a terrorist I'll bet!! Maybe he's a secret Muslim!!

splatbass
11-01-2008, 02:32 PM
don't forget John McCain


i hear he's going to start performing brain surgery on monday.

He's not a brain surgeon, but he did stay at the Hanoi Hilton for 5 years.....:thumb:

splatbass
11-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Was KCJ one of the righties that attacked Obama for giving a speech in Germany (because the Germans can't vote here!)? Because that would be the height of hypocrisy....:)

PRIEST
11-01-2008, 02:38 PM
He's not a brain surgeon, but he did stay at the Hanoi Hilton for 5 years.....:thumb:




Alright spit tea all over the place ........thanks:D

warrior
11-01-2008, 02:43 PM
He's the Manchurian Candidate LMAO

|Zach|
11-01-2008, 03:34 PM
Sad. The Iraqis have been dominated by terrorist governments until 2003, and now that we intervene on behalf of freedom, you leftists mock our sacrifices and ridicule the heroic Iraqi people.

Nice.


Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.

Wahhhhh....

You people are NOT using your freedom of speech the right way!!

Taco John
11-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Sad. The Iraqis have been dominated by terrorist governments until 2003, and now that we intervene on behalf of freedom, you leftists mock our sacrifices and ridicule the heroic Iraqi people.

Nice.


Please, everyone who opens this page, pause and consider what is actually going on here.



What's really going on... Rightists are using the plight of the Iraqi people as a front for conquest of the middle-east because they want "their" people - the ones that are funding them - to have more say in the economic flow of the oil fields. And dupes like you, who are naive enough to believe that this is about the Iraqi people, buy into it, and criticize those who recognize "what's really going on" for not being up for it.

It's a sad situation, really. American soldiers are dying in Iraq for a cause that Americans don't care about. That's what's really going on.

Dave Lane
11-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Socialist/marxist propoganda at work.

Speaking of socialism why are taxpayers supporting superstition sellers on the military payroll? Shouldn't any interested church pick up their own tab?

VAChief
11-01-2008, 05:29 PM
Hilarious!


Republicans are so full of inconsistency. It's irritating. They yell the loudest about Hollywood commenting on elections, and yet they worship a Hollywood actor as Republican Jesus. They yell the loudest about not caring what the rest of the world thinks about us, but they'll tout what the Iraqis think of the election as though they believe that we should be worried about what the world community thinks of us. They preach about socialism while promoting a guy who wants to offer a "winning" company billions of dollars for developing a battery cell technology that would pay for itself a hundred times over if it were ever developed. That same candidate wants to offer a $300 billion dollar bailout - a housing new deal. And then these socialist yelling/socialist backing jerks spend every minute the can smearing the socialist that they're not supporting knowing that they can't argue a positive economic position because they don't have one. Republicans are in no mans land right now when it comes to economics. Unwitting socialists. The worst kind.

Exactly :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: