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dirk digler
11-01-2008, 10:59 AM
Another bogus story put to rest

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S.
Earlier today, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

kstater
11-01-2008, 10:59 AM
Yes, but we need to physically see it.

HolmeZz
11-01-2008, 11:02 AM
I think it's safe to say Hawaiian state officials are in the tank for Obama.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 11:03 AM
I think it's safe to say Hawaiian state officials are in the tank for Obama.

Especially the Republican governor.

I really feel bad for that POS Jerome Corsi....ok maybe not

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Shitty prayer will be here any moment to apologize.

Smed1065
11-01-2008, 11:08 AM
BS! He is wrong for not replying to all McCane supporters.

Oh he did but it was via the web.

Sorry.LMAO

Just like McEdwards.I need to be flexible?

BS I played in this league before and use to win! Haters. :spock:

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 11:09 AM
Shitty prayer will be here any moment to apologize.

I doubt it he is a pussy

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:10 AM
THIS PROVES NOTHING!!! I WANT A PICTURE OF JFK STANDING NEXT TO OBAMA'S MOTHER WHILE HE IS SLIDING OUT OF THE BIRTH CANAL INTO THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL REFLECTING POOL!!

THEN, MAYBE I WILL BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN THE USA!!!

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 11:11 AM
THIS PROVES NOTHING!!! I WANT A PICTURE OF JFK STANDING NEXT TO OBAMA'S MOTHER WHILE HE IS SLIDING OUT OF THE BIRTH CANAL INTO THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL REFLECTING POOL!!

THEN, MAYBE I WILL BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN THE USA!!!

LMAO

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 11:11 AM
how could he be born in Hawaii when he was clearly born in a jihad camp somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan?!?

Chiefshrink
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Another bogus story put to rest

If it is truly the "original" and authentic then why was it 'sealed up' a few days ago when Obama was in Hawaii???? This is a very simple process to justify his candidacy. Why "CAN'T" we see it????? Not good!

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Another bogus story put to rest

It wasn't really a bogus story until it was put to rest. The question is why should we put up with Obama dragging it out like this? It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.

Mr. Laz
11-01-2008, 11:16 AM
It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.

ROFL ROFL

yea ...... that's it

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:16 AM
I'm sure McCain's birth records have been subject to just as much scrutiny. :rolleyes:

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:17 AM
If it is truly the "original" and authentic then why was it 'sealed up' a few days ago when Obama was in Hawaii???? This is a very simple process to justify his candidacy. Why "CAN'T" we see it????? Not good!

Yes, because our government is so inept as to allow some sleeper cell terrirst make it all the way to the brink of the presidency. OR are you trying to make the point that the Bush White House is completely incompetent by allowing this Muslim suicide bomber this far?

BigChiefFan
11-01-2008, 11:17 AM
It wasn't really a bogus story until it was put to rest. The question is why should we put up with Obama dragging it out like this? It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.It was a none issue in the first place. Don't you think the government LOOKS INTO this PRIOR to being able to run? Him not discusssing this, is because he knew it had no relevancy in the first place. Why draw attention to a none story? He's running for POTUS, spending time on trivial bullshit isn't something anybody with common sense would spend anytime on.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:17 AM
It wasn't really a bogus story until it was put to rest. The question is why should we put up with Obama dragging it out like this? It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.

Yes, because our government is so inept as to allow some sleeper cell terrirst make it all the way to the brink of the presidency. OR are you trying to make the point that the Bush White House is completely incompetent by allowing this Muslim suicide bomber this far?

My give-a-shit meter is pegged out at zero on this one.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:18 AM
Yes, because our government is so inept as to allow some sleeper cell terrirst make it all the way to the brink of the presidency. OR are you trying to make the point that the Bush White House is completely incompetent by allowing this Muslim suicide bomber this far?

I have brought up the same point. Of course, no one would give me an answer.

Smed1065
11-01-2008, 11:18 AM
ROFL ROFL

yea ...... that's it

Obama should chase all the stories of late for respect.:cuss:


ROFL

Pablo
11-01-2008, 11:18 AM
It wasn't really a bogus story until it was put to rest. The question is why should we put up with Obama dragging it out like this? It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.A lack of respect for the retards who were dumb enough to make it an issue in the first place maybe.

How dare he doesn't respect dumbshits and conspiracy theorists.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:19 AM
I have brought up the same point. Of course, no one would give me an answer.

WHAAAAT? NOOOOOOOO.......

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 11:21 AM
Looks to me like Sen. Obama is having some fun tweaking the Tinfoil Hat wing of the GOP.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:25 AM
Guys, I'm not going to go on record here until I hear some more from my source, but I have strong reason to believe Obama's mother was actually a cyborg built by the Palestinians.

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:37 AM
It was a none issue in the first place. Don't you think the government LOOKS INTO this PRIOR to being able to run? Him not discusssing this, is because he knew it had no relevancy in the first place. Why draw attention to a none story? He's running for POTUS, spending time on trivial bullshit isn't something anybody with common sense would spend anytime on.

Who looks into it? Who is this gatekeeper that you think exists?

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:38 AM
Yes, because our government is so inept as to allow some sleeper cell terrirst make it all the way to the brink of the presidency. OR are you trying to make the point that the Bush White House is completely incompetent by allowing this Muslim suicide bomber this far?

Where'd you get the terrorist sleeper angle from?

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:41 AM
Who looks into it? Who is this gatekeeper that you think exists?

So, you think there are laws governing who can and cannot be elected to the highest office in our country but no one to actually follow through on it? Do you need like an individuals name?

The_Grand_Illusion
11-01-2008, 11:44 AM
This actually raises more questions and questions about the "original" he has been passing off on his website. I'm not so sure about this birth certificate stuff but why doesn't he just sign to release the original? All he has to do is sign to release it. It's that simple and could save both sides a lot of grief. I believe McCain did release his original so why doesn't Obama?

http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit

Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BCPosted by Israel Insider on November 1, 2008 at 11:30am

View Israel Insider's blog
Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today (Saturday, November 1).

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:46 AM
OMG!!!!!!!

In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”

The analysis, by Prof. Gabriel J. Chin, focused on a 1937 law that has been largely overlooked in the debate over Mr. McCain’s eligibility to be president. The law conferred citizenship on children of American parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904, and it made John McCain a citizen just before his first birthday. But the law came too late, Professor Chin argued, to make Mr. McCain a natural-born citizen.

|Zach|
11-01-2008, 11:46 AM
so why doesn't Obama?

Because he is a terrorist?

PRIEST
11-01-2008, 11:47 AM
I'm sure McCain's birth records have been subject to just as much scrutiny. :rolleyes:




Oh he has his own issues :)

http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=145&sid=d210816f2f0432876db8ad452619a0e5

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:48 AM
So, you think there are laws governing who can and cannot be elected to the highest office in our country but no one to actually follow through on it? Do you need like an individuals name?

Do you know the individual's name?

I'm seriously not sure who it would be. When a candidate signs up to be put on the ballot in each state they may have to do something like provide a birth certificate, but if they do I'm relatively confident that the state doesn't go to any extraordinary length to verify the validity of the birth certificate. You need only check out a few stories on illegal immigrants and identity theft to understand that the requirement to show a birth certificate is not the same as actually proving that the information contained on the birth certificate is valid.

I'd like to see one of you guys who have a faith-based belief that someone is vetting the qualifications of these candidates actually do some research to see if your faith is well placed.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Where'd you get the terrorist sleeper angle from?

It's implied from all the crazies looking for any little thing to devalue Obama with.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 11:48 AM
This actually raises more questions and questions about the "original" he has been passing off on his website. I'm not so sure about this birth certificate stuff but why doesn't he just sign to release the original? All he has to do is sign to release it. It's that simple and could save both sides a lot of grief. I believe McCain did release his original so why doesn't Obama?



Geez. The copy they have on the website is a certified copy of the original.

Hawaii just confirmed they have the original.

End of story Jerome

banyon
11-01-2008, 11:52 AM
This actually raises more questions and questions about the "original" he has been passing off on his website. I'm not so sure about this birth certificate stuff but why doesn't he just sign to release the original? All he has to do is sign to release it. It's that simple and could save both sides a lot of grief. I believe McCain did release his original so why doesn't Obama?

).

McCain won't release his tax records or medical records, despite the fact that nearly all recent candidates have done so, but I bet that probably doesn't trouble you in the least.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:52 AM
There are thousands upon thousands of governmental responsibilities that get done that I could not tell you who does it.

You guys seriously need to let this issue go. It is sad that you keep harping on it.

Chiefshrink
11-01-2008, 11:53 AM
Looks to me like Sen. Obama is having some fun tweaking the Tinfoil Hat wing of the GOP.

He wouldn't spend the time in Hawaii if was tweaking. He can't afford the time away from a very close campaign. His grandma? We find out now she is not close to death. He probably had to go in person to the State of Hawaii to make sure it got sealed. Again, why did it have to be sealed?:shrug:

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:54 AM
He wouldn't spend the time in Hawaii if was tweaking. He can't afford the time away from a very close campaign. His grandma? We find out now she is not close to death. He probably had to go in person to the State of Hawaii to make sure it got sealed. Again, why did it have to be sealed?:shrug:

McCain won't release his tax records or medical records, despite the fact that nearly all recent candidates have done so, but I bet that probably doesn't trouble you in the least.

I'll answer your question when you answer banyon's.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:54 AM
He wouldn't spend the time in Hawaii if was tweaking. He can't afford the time away from a very close campaign. His grandma? We find out now she is not close to death. He probably had to go in person to the State of Hawaii to make sure it got sealed. Again, why did it have to be sealed?:shrug:


http://seoblackhat.com/upimage/tinfoilhat.jpg

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:55 AM
It's implied from all the crazies looking for any little thing to devalue Obama with.

It's certainly not implied by anything I've said so if you're reading that into my posts you're mistaken.

patteeu
11-01-2008, 11:56 AM
There are thousands upon thousands of governmental responsibilities that get done that I could not tell you who does it.

You guys seriously need to let this issue go. It is sad that you keep harping on it.

Keep the faith buddy. No one can take that away from you.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 11:56 AM
It's certainly not implied by anything I've said so if you're reading that into my posts you're wrong.

No, that was not directed at you. There is a sizeable contingent of people here who act like they give this some credence, though.

Usually, you're pretty informed in your opinions, if if they are generally wrong. :)

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 11:59 AM
Keep the faith buddy. No one can take that away from you.

As I have said before, if you don't believe that the government can do something as simple as ensuring a candidate running for the highest office in the country was born in America then you have absolutely zero faith in your government and shouldn't even bother voting.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-01-2008, 12:03 PM
Because he is a terrorist?

:rolleyes:

You know, over the years I've learned to at least listen and understand what both sides are saying. That seems to be lost on many here. I may not agree with it but it doesn't hurt to try to understand.

patteeu
11-01-2008, 12:04 PM
As I have said before, if you don't believe that the government can do something as simple as ensuring a candidate running for the highest office in the country was born in America then you have absolutely zero faith in your government and shouldn't even bother voting.

It's not a question of whether or not they "can" do it. The question is whether or not they actually do it. You have to actually understand the question before you can hope to figure out the answer, but since you don't really care I guess it doesn't matter much.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Geez. The copy they have on the website is a certified copy of the original.

Hawaii just confirmed they have the original.

End of story Jerome


Then why didn't he just release the original and none of this would be an issue. Like I said, I wasn't so sure about the birth certificate issue but with all the stalling and such, I have become intrigued. The article does bring up some good points.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 12:09 PM
It's not a question of whether or not they "can" do it. The question is whether or not they actually do it. You have to actually understand the question before you can hope to figure out the answer, but since you don't really care I guess it doesn't matter much.

Do you want them to call you personally? Should it be the main story on the front page of USA Today? Government Verifies That Presidential Candidates Are Eligible to Become PresidentI understand the question perfectly. It's the same stupid one that has been asked around here for the last 6 months. Again, it is like you want a signing telegram at your front door telling you he was born in Hawaii.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:10 PM
The story of John McCains campaign and the conservatives this year....."whine about non issues"

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:12 PM
Then why didn't he just release the original and none of this would be an issue. Like I said, I wasn't so sure about the birth certificate issue but with all the stalling and such, I have become intrigued. The article does bring up some good points.

Has John McCain, Sarah Palin, and Joe Biden released their birth certificates?

The only reason people want Obama to is because they believe he is a Muslim terrorist.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Has John McCain, Sarah Palin, and Joe Biden released their birth certificates?

The only reason people want Obama to is because they believe he is a Muslim terrorist.

I'm not sure Sarah Palin has one....she seems like something that would have been genetically made in a lab as an experiment gone wrong.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Did you know John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone?

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm not sure Sarah Palin has one....she seems like something that would have been genetically made in a lab as an experiment gone wrong.

LMAO

The_Grand_Illusion
11-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Has John McCain, Sarah Palin, and Joe Biden released their birth certificates?

The only reason people want Obama to is because they believe he is a Muslim terrorist.

The article states McCain has released his original birth certificate.

You might want to read more than just what the MSM says about these things and you could make a better judgement to what the other side is saying about this issue instead of your claim they want to know if he's a muslim terrorist. I'm intrigued more because of the stalling and secrecy surrounding the issue.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:33 PM
Hold on let me read some real journalistic sites like free republic, or the one the sportshrink guy keeps using those are real bastions of the journalistic world.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:35 PM
The article states McCain has released his original birth certificate.

You might want to read more than just what the MSM says about these things and you could make a better judgement to what the other side is saying about this issue instead of your claim they want to know if he's a muslim terrorist. I'm intrigued more because of the stalling and secrecy surrounding the issue.

Good for John if he did I guess. I never questioned his birth and people who did are whack jobs.

What about Sarah Palin? I heard she was born in Russia because she can see Alaska from there.

splatbass
11-01-2008, 12:36 PM
If it is truly the "original" and authentic then why was it 'sealed up' a few days ago when Obama was in Hawaii???? This is a very simple process to justify his candidacy. Why "CAN'T" we see it????? Not good!

Because that story was a LIE. It was not sealed up while Obama was in Hawaii (visiting his sick grandmother). It has always BY LAW been sealed like every other birth certificate here.

The local and national news was camped out outside Ms. Dunham's apartment building on Beritania Street the whole time Obama was here. Don't you think that they woulld have noticed if he met with the (Republican) governor to have his record sealed?

Seriously, some of you guys would fall for anything. Wanna buy a bridge to nowhere? I can get it for you cheap...

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:36 PM
Good for John if he did I guess. I never questioned his birth and people who did are whack jobs.

What about Sarah Palin? I heard she was born in Russia because she can see Alaska from there.

No way dude, she was busy walking the planet with the dinosaurs.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:38 PM
No way dude, she was busy walking the planet with the dinosaurs.

She was probably good at shooting mouse and wolves from the heads of T-Rex's

L.A. Chieffan
11-01-2008, 12:41 PM
This is bullshit. I read somewhere on the internet that he was born in the Middle East so I don't believe this. Hawaii is run by terrorists obviously. And their communists too. Communistic terrorists that are anti-gun.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:42 PM
This is bullshit. I read somewhere on the internet that he was born in the Middle East so I don't believe this. Hawaii is run by terrorists obviously. And their communists too. Communistic terrorists that are anti-gun.

Don't forget they hate pit-bulls and say no to steroids

L.A. Chieffan
11-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Don't forget they hate pit-bulls and say no to steroids

and they eat too much pineapple. and those hula girls are just asking for it. whatever they get they deserve it dressing like that

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 12:45 PM
I'm sure McCain's birth records have been subject to just as much scrutiny. :rolleyes:

Please strive for a passing acquaintance with current events

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/28/america/28mccain.php

L.A. Chieffan
11-01-2008, 12:46 PM
1936. Jesus

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:47 PM
1936. Jesus

LMAO

McCain might have been the one walking around with the dinosaurs instead of Palin

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 12:48 PM
Dr. Chiyome FukinoSounds like a furriner ta me.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:48 PM
1936, he looks like he was born in 1836 so I'm not sure if that is good or bad.

L.A. Chieffan
11-01-2008, 12:51 PM
LMAO

McCain might have been the one walking around with the dinosaurs instead of Palin

If he gets elected by the time his term is up he'll be seventy fucking six years old.

I wouldn't even trust him to drive me around in a car let alone be President

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 12:52 PM
If he gets elected by the time his term is up he'll be seventy ****ing six years old.

I wouldn't even trust him to drive me around in a car let alone be President

LMAO

Driving Sydney McCain

Mecca
11-01-2008, 12:52 PM
If he gets elected by the time his term is up he'll be seventy fucking six years old.

I wouldn't even trust him to drive me around in a car let alone be President

I wouldn't trust anyone who's arms move like his to drive me around either way.....I'd feel like a puppet was driving and I'd be horified.

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 12:55 PM
I wouldn't trust anyone who's arms move like his to drive me around either way.....I'd feel like a puppet was driving and I'd be horified.

Yeah, and I wouldn't want Max Cleland making me a sandwich!! Har har har!!!!

splatbass
11-01-2008, 01:09 PM
The nuts are overlooking one very simple fact. The State of Hawaii (controlled by a Republican governor) has said they have seen the original and it exists. Regardless of what it says, THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS PROVES HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

I don't see how anyone with a functioning brain could argue otherwise. The State of Hawaii doesn't hold birth certificates from Kenya in their files, they only hold the birth certificates of people that were born in Hawaii. This is very simple stuff, folks. If they have his birth certificate (which they do) he was born in Hawaii. Case closed.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 01:39 PM
Please strive for a passing acquaintance with current events

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/28/america/28mccain.php

Please strive to read a thread before you talk smack to someone. I posted the exact same news you just "informed" me off 2 pages ago.

My point was the people don't keep bringing up McCain's every day on here because there are real issues in this election of than supposed non-American born candidates.

whatsmynameagain
11-01-2008, 01:57 PM
The article states McCain has released his original birth certificate.

You might want to read more than just what the MSM says about these things and you could make a better judgement to what the other side is saying about this issue instead of your claim they want to know if he's a muslim terrorist. I'm intrigued more because of the stalling and secrecy surrounding the issue.


The birtch certificate question first came up in the chain letter email that you forwarded to all your friends with the subject line "THIS SCARES ME.' That email claimed Obama is a muslim who is going to take over the united states and give all of its money to the blacks in africa. YOUR AND IDIOT!

whatsmynameagain
11-01-2008, 01:58 PM
and they eat too much pineapple. and those hula girls are just asking for it. whatever they get they deserve it dressing like that, AND WHEN THEY GET RAPED AND BECOME PREGNANT AND CANT ABORT, THEY CAN THINK ABOUT DRESSING UP LIKE LITTLE SLUTS AGAIN.


FYP

whatsmynameagain
11-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Please strive for a passing acquaintance with current events

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/28/america/28mccain.php

feb 08 is long ago the way the newscycle currently runs. the only reason mccains became questioned was in response to the tinfoil hats claiming obama is a non citizen. THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

Pitt Gorilla
11-01-2008, 02:04 PM
It wasn't really a bogus story until it was put to rest. The question is why should we put up with Obama dragging it out like this? It looks like a lack of respect for the voters of the country to me.It was a bogus story as it was never based in truth. Nobody with any sense doubted his citizenship. If someone dreams up crazy allegations every week about McCain, should he have to "prove" each one is a lie?

The_Grand_Illusion
11-01-2008, 02:13 PM
The birtch certificate question first came up in the chain letter email that you forwarded to all your friends with the subject line "THIS SCARES ME.' That email claimed Obama is a muslim who is going to take over the united states and give all of its money to the blacks in africa. YOUR AND IDIOT!


LMAO

I don't accept chain emails.

LMAO

RJ
11-01-2008, 02:45 PM
Of all the idiotic points of discussion during this campaign, and there have been plenty of idiotic points of discussion, this is the most idiotic of all. None of you guys can possibly be dumb enough to believe this shit, yet you keep hammering away at it. Not even the dumbest fugger on this board would be dumb enough to take this as a serious story.

dirk digler
11-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Of all the idiotic points of discussion during this campaign, and there have been plenty of idiotic points of discussion, this is the most idiotic of all. None of you guys can possibly be dumb enough to believe this shit, yet you keep hammering away at it. Not even the dumbest fugger on this board would be dumb enough to take this as a serious story.

The racist twins believe it. Bootlegger and Shysprayer

patteeu
11-01-2008, 03:10 PM
Do you want them to call you personally? Should it be the main story on the front page of USA Today? Government Verifies That Presidential Candidates Are Eligible to Become PresidentI understand the question perfectly. It's the same stupid one that has been asked around here for the last 6 months. Again, it is like you want a signing telegram at your front door telling you he was born in Hawaii.

You do a lot of typing when a simple "I don't know" would cover the sum total of your knowledge on this issue.

patteeu
11-01-2008, 03:14 PM
The nuts are overlooking one very simple fact. The State of Hawaii (controlled by a Republican governor) has said they have seen the original and it exists. Regardless of what it says, THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS PROVES HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

I don't see how anyone with a functioning brain could argue otherwise. The State of Hawaii doesn't hold birth certificates from Kenya in their files, they only hold the birth certificates of people that were born in Hawaii. This is very simple stuff, folks. If they have his birth certificate (which they do) he was born in Hawaii. Case closed.

They didn't confirm that he meets the 35 year old age requirement though. LMAO

splatbass
11-01-2008, 04:21 PM
They didn't confirm that he meets the 35 year old age requirement though. LMAO

Let's see...there was an announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961 announcing his birth, he graduated from Punahou High School in 1979. I'm pretty sure he is over 35.....

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 04:37 PM
FYPThe word you're looking for is trollop.

patteeu
11-02-2008, 07:07 AM
Let's see...there was an announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961 announcing his birth, he graduated from Punahou High School in 1979. I'm pretty sure he is over 35.....

:rolleyes:

whoman69
11-02-2008, 06:02 PM
Who looks into it? Who is this gatekeeper that you think exists?

You have to file papers to run for President. You think the papers are just for show?

RJ
11-02-2008, 06:35 PM
If the polls showed McCain up by 5 instead of down by 5 you guys would laugh at this story, write it off as tin foil hat stuff. But now you embrace it as "any port in a storm". No rational person can take this shit seriously.

patteeu
11-03-2008, 05:09 AM
You have to file papers to run for President. You think the papers are just for show?

Who do you file them with? More importantly, who verifies their accuracy?

patteeu
11-03-2008, 05:11 AM
If the polls showed McCain up by 5 instead of down by 5 you guys would laugh at this story, write it off as tin foil hat stuff. But now you embrace it as "any port in a storm". No rational person can take this shit seriously.

It's the kind of thing that is so easy to debunk that when it hasn't been debunked it makes you wonder why.

tiptap
11-03-2008, 07:21 AM
In the internet age everything is real because it requires only words and words alone.

If I was Obama I'd let all the crazos spend their time on this dead end because they won't make up other stuff, always new stuff, that would have to be addressed. Reel them in and at the last moment squash it. Yeah they got nothing else.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 07:23 AM
Who do you file them with? More importantly, who verifies their accuracy?


Perhaps it was ACORN.

splatbass
11-03-2008, 08:08 AM
It's the kind of thing that is so easy to debunk that when it hasn't been debunked it makes you wonder why.

It has been debunked, you guys just won't accept it.

The State of Hawaii says he was born here. That should be enough for anyone, but some of you just won't let it go.

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:19 AM
It has been debunked, you guys just won't accept it.

The State of Hawaii says he was born here. That should be enough for anyone, but some of you just won't let it go.

You're not addressing my argument.

The State of Hawaii didn't say any such thing until they implied it last Friday. Until then, it hadn't been debunked, as far as I'm concerned.

Like I said, it's the kind of thing that is so easy to debunk that when it hasn't been debunked it makes you wonder why. Until last Friday, there was reason to wonder why.

whoman69
11-03-2008, 08:23 AM
Who do you file them with? More importantly, who verifies their accuracy?

You asked the question, you find out instead of making a conspiracy story about it. You have the theory, not me. You check it out.

RJ
11-03-2008, 08:23 AM
It's the kind of thing that is so easy to debunk that when it hasn't been debunked it makes you wonder why.



Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's unreasonable to expect a major party candidate like Obama to have to respond to every crazy-assed story some nut bar dreams up and posts on the internet. The onus is not upon him.

whoman69
11-03-2008, 08:25 AM
It's the kind of thing that is so easy to debunk that when it hasn't been debunked it makes you wonder why.

Because its a crazy conspiracy theory started by rumor on the internet with absolutely no proof. The rule in this land is that to prove someone guilty you have to have proof not internet inuendo.

RJ
11-03-2008, 08:30 AM
Heh. I think we're all on the same page.

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:42 AM
You asked the question, you find out instead of making a conspiracy story about it. You have the theory, not me. You check it out.

I knew you didn't know.

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's unreasonable to expect a major party candidate like Obama to have to respond to every crazy-assed story some nut bar dreams up and posts on the internet. The onus is not upon him.

If your candidate won't debunk even the most easily debunkable crazy theories, then none of you have any room to complain about the existence of those crazy theories. That's all I'm saying.

Mr. Laz
11-03-2008, 10:12 AM
If your candidate won't debunk even the most easily debunkable crazy theories, then none of you have any room to complain about the existence of those crazy theories. That's all I'm saying.

and play right into the hands of you rightwing nutjobs


Republican S.O.P create so much "Crap" that the democratic candidate has to spend 100% of his time disproving all these myths that he can't campaign or he ignores them and you guys get to run around saying "see, see it can't deny it ... it's true, it's true!!!"


it's really all you guys have left tbh

FishingRod
11-03-2008, 10:17 AM
To be fair the Democrats did try exactly the same thing with McCain in questioning if an American Navy ship counts as part of the US. It was stupid then and stupid now.

RJ
11-03-2008, 10:29 AM
If your candidate won't debunk even the most easily debunkable crazy theories, then none of you have any room to complain about the existence of those crazy theories. That's all I'm saying.



And all I'm saying is that if Obama does respond to that kind of crazy shit he gives it credence. Bill Ayers is a legit issue, Wright is a legit issue. Legit issues require a response. Bullshit issues do not.

RJ
11-03-2008, 10:30 AM
To be fair the Democrats did try exactly the same thing with McCain in questioning if an American Navy ship counts as part of the US. It was stupid then and stupid now.



Thankfully, that's one I never heard about.

Donger
11-03-2008, 10:32 AM
I fail to see why confirming a POTUS candidate's eligibility is stupid at all. His father was a foreign national.

But then again, as I've said before, I doubt that his followers would be shaken even if it were proven that he is ineligible.

Goapics1
11-03-2008, 10:41 AM
his followers

ROFL

Is he like David Koresh or someone? Followers?

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 10:42 AM
I fail to see why confirming a POTUS candidate's eligibility is stupid at all. His father was a foreign national.

But then again, as I've said before, I doubt that his followers would be shaken even if it were proven that he is ineligible.

I fail to see if it was an issue why was it so pressing a week before the election? Hmm. Perhaps another thing to cast doubt.

Nope, but they are all innocent in this, just like leaking the aunt story during the week too, huh.


The ironic thing is the posts you make drip with partisanship but then you play this little cat and mouse game like it's the guys who support obama who roll that way.

Donger
11-03-2008, 10:43 AM
ROFL

Is he like David Koresh or someone? Followers?

Sure. Some people are easily-led and easily-sold.

Donger
11-03-2008, 10:44 AM
I fail to see if it was an issue why was it so pressing a week before the election? Hmm. Perhaps another thing to cast doubt.

Nope, but they are all innocent in this, just like leaking the aunt story during the week too, huh.


The ironic thing is the posts you make drip with partisanship but then you play this little cat and mouse game like it's the guys who support obama who roll that way.

It's been around for months.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 10:45 AM
Sure. Some people are easily-led and easily-sold.

Not you. Nope not you.

I'm thinking Bush gave you head while Cheney played with your balls. They must've done great because they turned you into a little puppet. Silly putty in their hands.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 10:45 AM
It's been around for months.

and any rational person would've dismissed it for what it's worth unless it helped support your cause.

Donger
11-03-2008, 10:47 AM
and any rational person would've dismissed it for what it's worth unless it helped support your cause.

A rational person would expect and demand that he provide proof of his eligibility. Others? Not so much.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 10:49 AM
A rational person would expect and demand that he provide proof of his eligibility. Others? Not so much.



Well since he had to provide qualifications before he could officially register, I would argue that he did. It's not his fault that the last 8 years have made you so paranoid.

Donger
11-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Well since he had to provide qualifications before he could officially register, I would argue that he did. It's not his fault that the last 8 years have made you so paranoid.

Has his original birth certificate been released?

patteeu
11-03-2008, 11:01 AM
Well since he had to provide qualifications before he could officially register, I would argue that he did. It's not his fault that the last 8 years have made you so paranoid.

Link?

splatbass
11-03-2008, 06:42 PM
Has his original birth certificate been released?

It doesn't need to be released. The one he released is a legal copy good in any court in the country. That is all that is necessary to prove citizenship.

I believe that he probably didn't release the original because it had his mother's address on it, the apartment his grandmother was still living in (RIP). A presidential candidate doesn't give out the address of his relatives to the public.