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Chiefshrink
11-01-2008, 12:21 PM
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Posted: November 01, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

"To a man, the greatest blessing is individual liberty. To a dog, it is the last word in despair." – William Lyon Phelps (1865-1943)

I honestly don't hold a lot of hope in this upcoming presidential election. I have a sinking feeling that Obama is going to win. Perhaps not by the landslide he hopes, but a miss is as good as a mile (as they say), so we're faced with the prospect of "change" being forced on us in the next four years whether we like it or not.

How could this happen? How did America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, get to this point? It's because we have become dogs. We sit on command. We stay. We roll over. We beg. Oh boy do we beg.

Obama's platform – and yes, to a lesser extent McCain's – is based in socialism, pure and simple. Our wealth will be spread around, our housing and medical care will be taken out of the private sector and nationalized, thus becoming (ahem) "free." Our right to bear arms will be severely infringed, and in all other respects our constitutionally guaranteed American rights will go to hell in a handbasket.

Throughout history, people have spent lifetimes trying to break free from the chains of bondage. Here in the U.S., for the first time in the course of human events, our Founding Fathers achieved that concept – first through the Declaration of Independence, later supplemented with the 13th Amendment. And now, 232 years later, we are happily and voluntarily fettering ourselves with chains much thicker, heavier and oppressive than England ever imposed upon us in the height of King George's insanity.




All because we've become dogs. We roll over in submission for someone to scratch our bellies. We cower when we're smacked with a newspaper. We beg for treats. Our world implodes when our masters are angry with us.

We have lost the ability and, apparently, the interest in maintaining our independence. Cherished concepts such as personal liberty, individual responsibility, success through hard work, and other high and admirable standards are no longer desired. If this is truly the case, we are doomed as a nation.

Now we watch as the U.S. economy tanks, due in large part to government intervention in private-market banking. This offers an unprecedented opportunity for the government cavalry to come sweeping in to save the day, seizing private assets and businesses left and right and sinking us further into socialism and away from free-market capitalism.

Things can only go downhill from here.

If Barack Obama gets in as president, I see one of two things happening.

America will sink into socialism so fast we won't know what hit us. Our constitutionally guaranteed rights will disappear, our taxes will skyrocket, and our lives will become straightjackets. We will accept this with submissive dog-like apathy and descend into a canine state of licking our master's hands. Or


America will sink into socialism so fast we won't know what hit us. Our constitutionally guaranteed rights will disappear, our taxes will skyrocket, and our lives will become straightjackets. But when things get bad enough, Americans will recall our roots. We will rise up and demand a return of limited government as put forth by the Founding Fathers.
Which scenario do you honestly think will happen? I suspect it will be No. 1. That's how bad we've become. Woof woof.

The ironic thing is I'm not so certain that McCain's march toward socialism will be much different than Obama's. Republicans traditionally take a slower road toward bigger government than Democrats, but it's still the same road.

So when did we stop being We the People and start becoming We the Sheeple?

I will tell you how and why we have come to the brink of socialism in this country: education. Our public schools, with the blessings of government officials, have been droning on about the evils of capitalism and the superiority of socialism for decades. The media echo this chant, so children have grown into adults knowing no other philosophy. Capitalism is bad. Socialism is good. Woof woof.

The fact of human nature is people are lazy. If you take away the incentive to achieve anything because you're providing it for "free," watch how they fall into an indifferent, drone-like status quo. People will come to expect everything to be handed to them on a government platter. Woof wo … er, you know the rest.

The following quote is attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), a Scottish-born lawyer and writer. See if you think this sounds eerily familiar:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
I think we're just about ready to fulfill the last line of this prediction, don't you?

Brace yourselves, folks. We're in for a bumpy ride. Better learn how to roll over and play dead.

Or – here's a concept – we could stop being dogs. Maybe it's time to rise from four feet to two. Rather than letting the government pat us condescendingly on the head and give us treats, maybe it's time to bite the hand that feeds us.

Adept Havelock
11-01-2008, 12:23 PM
FYI, sportspsychobabbler's unattributed cut and paste is an op-ed from World Nut Daily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79627

"Real America" by Patrice Lewis? ROFL ROFL ROFL

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 12:24 PM
I love how people who have just lived through 8 years of Bush/Cheney rule are afraid of Obama.

It's like people who have been kidnapped and help hostage in a dank room for 3 years being afraid of the soliders when they come to rescue them.

Bowser
11-01-2008, 12:25 PM
SHTFCK is going to rub one out to this OP.

Taco John
11-01-2008, 12:25 PM
Bush has utterly shattered Republican credibility. How can anyone take Obama attacks seriously from people who voted for Bush twice?

|Zach|
11-01-2008, 12:27 PM
Gather around kids.

Let me tell you how my supporters ran a campaign based on fear and lost me the election.

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kstater
11-01-2008, 12:29 PM
I think he's right. We are all dogs. I'm going to do what he tells me, and go vote for McCain.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 12:32 PM
I'd rather be a dog than a parrot I guess.

SQUAWK!!
MAVERICK!!
REFORMER!!
SQUAWK!!!
JOE THE PLUMBER!!!
SQUAWK!!!
MAVERICK!!!

Smed1065
11-01-2008, 12:33 PM
Gather around kids.

Let me tell you how my supporters ran a campaign based on fear and lost me the election.

http://i38.tinypic.com/258ypfn.jpg

But I am a winner. I listened to other people.

I have experience at clusterfucks! I won that war! Just ask me.

Robo-Chachi
11-01-2008, 12:39 PM
America will sink into socialism so fast we won't know what hit us. Our constitutionally guaranteed rights will disappear...


This is the best part. That Obama is the president who will infringe upon our constitutional rights. Seriously, did you just come out of an 8 year carbon freeze like Han Solo?

banyon
11-01-2008, 12:40 PM
FYI, sportspsychobabbler's unattributed cut and paste is an op-ed from World Nut Daily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79627

"Real America" by Patrice Lewis? ROFL ROFL ROFL

So was his other unattributed thread today.

Woodrow Call
11-01-2008, 12:47 PM
This is the best part. That Obama is the president who will infringe upon our constitutional rights. Seriously, did you just come out of an 8 year carbon freeze like Han Solo?

LMAO

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 12:57 PM
Bush has utterly shattered Republican credibility. How can anyone take Obama attacks seriously from people who voted for Bush twice?

I wish I could figure you out. With the exception of not liking Obama a little more than it doesn't like McCain, if someone had said this had been written by you, I'd have believed it.

You're the political iteration of 'if I can't sleep with Angelina Jolie, I guess I'll go gay.'

Mecca
11-01-2008, 01:15 PM
It just wouldn't be a good day around here without a stupid thread from this guy.

Captain Obvious
11-01-2008, 01:18 PM
No way, this gospel comes from highly respectable lawyers who were apart of the swift boating of Kerry. This is the truth! Believe that.

Calcountry
11-01-2008, 01:19 PM
I wish I could figure you out. With the exception of not liking Obama a little more than it doesn't like McCain, if someone had said this had been written by you, I'd have believed it.

You're the political iteration of 'if I can't sleep with Angelina Jolie, I guess I'll go gay.'LMAO

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 01:20 PM
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whoman69
11-01-2008, 01:25 PM
No way, this gospel comes from highly respectable lawyers who were apart of the swift boating of Kerry. This is the truth! Believe that.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

whoman69
11-01-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm sorry I fell asleep reading the post starter, can anybody ever tell if it made a valid point?

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 01:28 PM
I wish I could figure you out. With the exception of not liking Obama a little more than it doesn't like McCain, if someone had said this had been written by you, I'd have believed it.

You're the political iteration of 'if I can't sleep with Angelina Jolie, I guess I'll go gay.'I think it's more like, "If I can't sleep with Angelina Jolie, I guess I'll go with this girl who's not perfect instead of the one with the sharp anti-rape condom between her legs."

That is John McCain, by the way. John Sidney McCain III is the woman with the anti-rape condom between her legs. You are sleeping with a woman with an anti-rape condom between her legs.

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 01:36 PM
I think it's more like, "If I can't sleep with Angelina Jolie, I guess I'll go with this girl who's not perfect instead of the one with the sharp anti-rape condom between her legs."

That is John McCain, by the way. John Sidney McCain III is the woman with the anti-rape condom between her legs. You are sleeping with a woman with an anti-rape condom between her legs.

First off, I ain't sleeping with anyone. I've been clearly in the 'couldn't care less' camp for some time now.

Second, my analogy is much more accurate for TJ. He's positively evangelical about libertarianism, ABSOLUTE libertarianism, until it comes down to personalities. And unless it's the paragon Ron Paul, he derides those who 'half-ass it' with mere libertarian leanings and jumps in bed with the socialists.

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 01:49 PM
First off, I ain't sleeping with anyone. I've been clearly in the 'couldn't care less' camp for some time now.

Second, my analogy is much more accurate for TJ. He's positively evangelical about libertarianism, ABSOLUTE libertarianism, until it comes down to personalities. And unless it's the paragon Ron Paul, he derides those who 'half-ass it' with mere libertarian leanings and jumps in bed with the socialists.SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Picking a pragmatic guy who's more liberal than the erratic guy whose entire campaign has been spent pandering to conservatives is hardly an irrational choice for a libertarian.

Mecca
11-01-2008, 01:54 PM
And the worst socialist again.....I really wish people who throw that around knew what it meant other than "oh McCain said it and I'm a republican so it must be true!"

Taco John
11-01-2008, 01:59 PM
First off, I ain't sleeping with anyone. I've been clearly in the 'couldn't care less' camp for some time now.

Second, my analogy is much more accurate for TJ. He's positively evangelical about libertarianism, ABSOLUTE libertarianism, until it comes down to personalities. And unless it's the paragon Ron Paul, he derides those who 'half-ass it' with mere libertarian leanings and jumps in bed with the socialists.


I know what Liberals want, and I know how to counter their positions with philosophy and reason. But when a Republican argues in favor of socialism (or a socialist - McCain), there's no rhyme or reason behind it. It's underbaked and absolutely groundless reactionism. You can't argue principles with someone who is just reacting. They don't want to listen to reason, they just want to react. McCain's $300 billion dollar housing new deal is the perfect example. When Republicans start educating the public that this sort of thing falls in with "conservativism," then we have a serious problem -- and I'll be damned if I'll support it. I have a soul and it's not for sale.

I know what to expect from Barack Obama. He's going to be completely predictable. McCain, on the other hand, is a loose canon. I shudder to think what America could be like after 8 years of his mindless, reactionary policy.

Der Flöprer
11-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Bush has utterly shattered Republican credibility. How can anyone take Obama attacks seriously from people who voted for Bush twice?

Game. Set. Match.

Baby Lee
11-01-2008, 02:03 PM
I know what Liberals want, and I know how to counter their positions with philosophy and reason. But when a Republican argues in favor of socialism (or a socialist - McCain), there's no rhyme or reason behind it. It's underbaked and absolutely groundless reactionism. You can't argue principles with someone who is just reacting. They don't want to listen to reason, they just want to react. McCain's $300 billion dollar housing new deal is the perfect example. When Republicans start educating the public that this sort of thing falls in with "conservativism," then we have a serious problem -- and I'll be damned if I'll support it. I have a soul and it's not for sale.

I know what to expect from Barack Obama. He's going to be completely predictable. McCain, on the other hand, is a loose canon. I shudder to think what America could be like after 8 years of his mindless, reactionary policy.

OIC, hadn't heard about your grand plan to reason your way out of paying taxes and to reason our way to keep health care competitive.

Taco John
11-01-2008, 02:11 PM
OIC, hadn't heard about your grand plan to reason your way out of paying taxes and to reason our way to keep health care competitive.

Hopefully I won't be alone in my attempts. Hopefully I can be a part of a rising tide of conservatives who haven't sold their souls, and actually believe in the principles of capitalism, not just give lip service to them on their way to McCain's housing new deal. Hopefully, all the sheep type Republicans will learn something along the way and provide a voice for real conservative economic prinicples and will make the decision to never support a hybrid socialist Republican ever again.

Or maybe not. Either way, I get to keep my soul.

Ultra Peanut
11-01-2008, 02:24 PM
OIC, hadn't heard about your grand plan to reason your way out of paying taxes and to reason our way to keep health care competitive.Yes. "Competitive." By shutting out a large swath of the population entirely and paying far more than everyone else while getting fuck all in exchange for it.

If our health care system is representative of "competition," it's a terrible concept that deserves to be taken out back and shot.

Taco John
11-01-2008, 02:26 PM
Yes. "Competitive." By shutting out a large swath of the population entirely and paying far more than everyone else while getting **** all in exchange for it.

If our health care system is representative of "competition," it's a terrible concept that deserves to be taken out back and shot.



I'd agree with this statement 100%.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 01:07 AM
FYI, sportspsychobabbler's unattributed cut and paste is an op-ed from World Nut Daily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79627

"Real America" by Patrice Lewis? ROFL ROFL ROFL

Never meant to "unattribute" this op-ed written by Lewis. I try to clean these op-eds up by deleting all the advertisment crap off of them before I post and deleted her name by accident. Never meant to mislead.

Thig Lyfe
11-02-2008, 01:29 AM
This is the best part. That Obama is the president who will infringe upon our constitutional rights. Seriously, did you just come out of an 8 year carbon freeze like Han Solo?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

These people are so fucking delusional.

Cannibal
11-02-2008, 01:44 AM
I honestly don't hold a lot of hope in this upcoming presidential election. I have a sinking feeling that Obama is going to win. Perhaps not by the landslide he hopes, but a miss is as good as a mile (as they say), so we're faced with the prospect of "change" being forced on us in the next four years whether we like it or not.

How could this happen? How did America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, get to this point? It's because we have become dogs. We sit on command. We stay. We roll over. We beg. Oh boy do we beg.

I disagree with this. I think we at the point we are due to the complete and utter failure of the Bush Adminstration and the Republican controlled Congress up until 2006.

1.) Wiretapping
2.) Torture
3.) Un-necessary War
4.) Redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the upper 2%
5.) Oil going from 20 bucks a barrel to 170 with an oil man in office.
6.) Calling opposition "anti American" when they disagree with you.
7.) Using wedge issues (gay marriage/stem cell research/abortion) to divide the country in order to divert attention from important issues.
8.) The Trillions in debt that has been left to future generations to pay off (and yes, taxes will have to raised to start paying this down).
9.) Alberto Gonzales and the US Attorny scandal
10.) War profiteering and no-bid contracts
11.) Completely destroying our standing in the World among other nations. (Nearly the entire planet is rooting against us now.)

The above are what I can think of off the top of my head on why we are at the point we in this election. I am sure there are dozens more. The Country is sick and tired of the bullshit from the last 8 years from the Right Wing and evidently they are willing to try something vastly different to fix it. I also believe the majority of the country is about sick and tired of the religious right in this country and as such, the Republican party is going to have to reconcile that. They need them to win, but I don't think they actually can win with them anymore. The mainstream Republicans have a decision to make about that.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2008, 01:18 AM
the hell you say

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Logical
11-02-2008, 02:48 AM
I am looking for a woof woof.

Can I get a motherfucking woof woof?

whoman69
11-02-2008, 07:38 AM
Al Sharpton wants to know why its always the black dog that has to be the bad guy.

InChiefsHell
11-02-2008, 07:58 AM
Well, if nothing else, the OP illustrates the thinking and the fears of conservatives...which is why I agree with it entirely. I think many of you didn't really read the whole thing, and who could blame you, it's a pretty long piece. But the writer even mentions that McCain ain't a whole lot better.

This has become another one of those elections where I am voting against someone rather than for someone. Bush has screwed the conservative movement, removed any credibility from the republican party, and disappointed me beyond repair. I've watched him lay the groundwork for what we are about to see. Weather he did it on purpose or not, all that matters in the end is results...

...I honestly think we would have been better off with Kerry in '04...