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Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Truman/Dewey times 10 upset here. And I am really not trying to be a "homer" about this. If this election goes McCain it will have upset ramifications on the level of "David and Goliath", "Jets/Colts 1969 Superbowl", "1980 US Olympic Hockey Team", "1983 North Carolina State over Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma".....add your own as well.

Yes McCain only has one path and he needs Pennsylvania to do it and carry the rest of his red states he is either tied in or slightly behind in. But something tells me it is going to happen. Just my gut and my gut is usually right on these things. :)

Cosmos
11-02-2008, 10:05 PM
Take a crap and get over it.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2008, 10:06 PM
Wanna bet?

L.A. Chieffan
11-02-2008, 10:07 PM
I think I'm gonna be hungover Wednesday morning.

BigRedChief
11-02-2008, 10:07 PM
Truman/Dewey times 10 upset here. And I am really not trying to be a "homer" about this. If this election goes McCain it will have upset ramifications on the level of "David and Goliath", "Jets/Colts 1969 Superbowl", "1980 US Olympic Hockey Team", "1983 North Carolina State over Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma".....add your own as well.

Yes McCain only has one path and he needs Pennsylvania to do it and carry the rest of his red states he is either tied in or slightly behind in. But something tells me it is going to happen. Just my gut and my gut is usually right on these things. :)
Bend over pal and take it like a man. ROFL

jAZ
11-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Really, did everyone stop polling over a week before the election?

WilliamTheIrish
11-02-2008, 10:14 PM
"There's a gleam, men"

You're gut. That's .... precious.

HolyHandgernade
11-02-2008, 10:16 PM
Wanna bet?

I want some of the action if he does.

-HH

Reaper16
11-02-2008, 10:16 PM
You are a severe fucking idiot.

No offense.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2008, 10:16 PM
Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1] The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. Where denial occurs in mature minds, it is most often associated with death, dying and rape. More recent research has significantly expanded the scope and utility of the concept. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross used denial as the first of five stages in the psychology of a dying patient, and the idea has been extended to include the reactions of survivors to news of a death. Thus, when parents are informed of the death of a child, their first reaction is often of the form, "No! You must have the wrong house, you can't mean our child!"

Unlike some other defense mechanisms postulated by psychoanalytic theory (for instance, repression), the general existence of denial is fairly easy to verify, even for non-specialists. On the other hand, denial is one of the most controversial defense mechanisms, since it can be easily used to create unfalsifiable theories: anything the subject says or does that appears to disprove the interpreter's theory is explained, not as evidence that the interpreter's theory is wrong, but as the subject's being "in denial".

A commonly-cited[citation needed] example of spurious denial is the psychologist who insists, against all evidence, that his patient is homosexual: any attempt by the patient to disprove the theory (as by pointing out his strong desire for women) is evidence of denial and thus evidence of the underlying theory[citation needed]. This tension can become serious, especially in areas such as child abuse and recovered memory. Proponents often respond to allegations of false memory by asserting that the subjects are genuine victims who have reverted to denial[citation needed]. Critics reply (some seriously, some less so) that it is the proponents who are in denial about the tenuousness of their theories[citation needed].

The concept of denial is important in twelve-step programs, where the abandonment or reversal of denial forms the basis of the first, fourth, fifth, eighth and tenth steps. The ability to deny or minimize is an essential part of what enables an addict to continue his or her behavior in the face of evidence that, to an outsider, appears overwhelming. This is cited as one of the reasons that compulsion is seldom effective in treating addiction — the habit of denial remains.

Understanding and avoiding denial is also important in the treatment of various diseases. The American Heart Association cites denial as a principal reason that treatment of a heart attack is delayed. Because the symptoms are so varied, and often have other potential explanations, the opportunity exists for the patient to deny the emergency, often with fatal consequences. It is common for patients to delay mammograms or other tests because of a fear of cancer, even though this is clearly maladaptive. It is the responsibility of the care team, and of the nursing staff in particular, to train at-risk patients to avoid such behavior.

jAZ
11-02-2008, 10:18 PM
Final Gallup/USA Today: 53-41%
Final CBS 54-41%
Final CNN 53-46%

I guess they didn't stop polling 4 days ago.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Who knows? I wonder how this is going to go over in the coal states like Pennsylvania.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

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Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
November 2, 2008 - 07:26 ET

(Please read update about the San Francisco Chronicle neglecting to mention Obama's willingness to bankrupt the coal industry at bottom of this blog.)
Imagine if John McCain had whispered somewhere that he was willing to bankrupt a major industry? Would this declaration not immediately be front page news? Well, Barack Obama actually flat out told the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) that he was willing to see the coal industry go bankrupt in a January 17, 2008 interview. The result? Nothing. This audio interview has been hidden from the public...until now. Here is the transcript of Obama's statement about bankrupting the coal industry (emphasis mine):

Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It's just that it will bankrupt them.
Amazing that this statement by Obama about bankrupting the coal industry has been kept under wraps until this time.

UPDATE: NewsBusters' Tom Blumer has found out that the San Francisco Chronicle story published on January 18 based upon this January 17 interview did not include any mention of Obama's willingness to bankrupt the coal industry which you can hear on the audio. You can read the story here when you scroll down to the "In His Own Words" section. Way to cover up for The One, SF Chronicle!

jAZ
11-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Composite of tracking polls... almost looks like the undecides are breaking for Obama, not McCain. If that's true, it's gonna be ugly.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2008-11-02-composite.jpg

Taco John
11-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Truman/Dewey times 10 upset here. And I am really not trying to be a "homer" about this. If this election goes McCain it will have upset ramifications on the level of "David and Goliath", "Jets/Colts 1969 Superbowl", "1980 US Olympic Hockey Team", "1983 North Carolina State over Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma".....add your own as well.

Yes McCain only has one path and he needs Pennsylvania to do it and carry the rest of his red states he is either tied in or slightly behind in. But something tells me it is going to happen. Just my gut and my gut is usually right on these things. :)



In my opinion, at this point, if McCain wins this, it will be because of election fraud.

Thig Lyfe
11-02-2008, 10:24 PM
Just my gut and my gut is usually right on these things. :)

Your gut doesn't know your ass from your elbow.

|Zach|
11-02-2008, 10:24 PM
And I am really not trying to be a "homer" about this.

Which makes sense...

That hasn't really been your thing around here.

dirk digler
11-02-2008, 10:24 PM
I admit I am a little nervous about Election night because you never know what can happen. I could see McCain winning for several different reasons but he does have a long shot to do it.

Taco John
11-02-2008, 10:26 PM
McCain has plunged to 11% in the Intrade predictive market. Down from 17%.

He's finished.

dirk digler
11-02-2008, 10:28 PM
McCain has plunged to 11% in the Intrade predictive market. Down from 17%.

He's finished.

I don't put much stock in the Intrade market.

This election is going to come down to turnout especially among Republicans. Will they come out strong in support of McCain\Palin because they believe Obama is the devil and a baby killer?

Cannibal
11-02-2008, 10:33 PM
Intrade had Palenty at something like 70-80% the night before McCain selected Sara Palin.

Uncle_Ted
11-02-2008, 10:38 PM
Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry? What a joke. All he's saying is that under a cap and trade system it will be prohibitively expensive to build traditional "dirty" coal plants. But since when has the far-right ever let the truth stand in the way of a good sound bite?

I guess there really is a small group of people in this country who have taken anti-intellectualism to heart, and have decided there is something noble about going through life acting like retards.

HolmeZz
11-02-2008, 10:40 PM
Intrade had Palenty at something like 70-80% the night before McCain selected Sara Palin.

In fairness to intrade, McCain picked Palin out of his ass. It was a knee-jerk move and who knows when he actually came to the decision of Palin.

alanm
11-02-2008, 10:47 PM
If it's going to happen then the elderly will be the ones to make it happen. And they will be out in force Tuesday and they ain't voting for Obama.

alanm
11-02-2008, 10:48 PM
Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry? What a joke. All he's saying is that under a cap and trade system it will be prohibitively expensive to build traditional "dirty" coal plants. But since when has the far-right ever let the truth stand in the way of a good sound bite?

I guess there really is a small group of people in this country who have taken anti-intellectualism to heart, and have decided there is something noble about going through life acting like retards.There goes Wyoming and Pennsylvania. :D

The_Grand_Illusion
11-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry? What a joke. All he's saying is that under a cap and trade system it will be prohibitively expensive to build traditional "dirty" coal plants. But since when has the far-right ever let the truth stand in the way of a good sound bite?

I guess there really is a small group of people in this country who have taken anti-intellectualism to heart, and have decided there is something noble about going through life acting like retards.

This story started breaking this afternoon and it is cause for concern. I'm just wondering how this is going to play in the coal states like Pennsylvania. Coal is a very abundant source of energy in this country. I have no problem with moving towards clean coal but to punish the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy is beyond naive. It's in Obama's own words. This will probably not play well in the coal states.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1] The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. Where denial occurs in mature minds, it is most often associated with death, dying and rape. More recent research has significantly expanded the scope and utility of the concept. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross used denial as the first of five stages in the psychology of a dying patient, and the idea has been extended to include the reactions of survivors to news of a death. Thus, when parents are informed of the death of a child, their first reaction is often of the form, "No! You must have the wrong house, you can't mean our child!"

Unlike some other defense mechanisms postulated by psychoanalytic theory (for instance, repression), the general existence of denial is fairly easy to verify, even for non-specialists. On the other hand, denial is one of the most controversial defense mechanisms, since it can be easily used to create unfalsifiable theories: anything the subject says or does that appears to disprove the interpreter's theory is explained, not as evidence that the interpreter's theory is wrong, but as the subject's being "in denial".

A commonly-cited[citation needed] example of spurious denial is the psychologist who insists, against all evidence, that his patient is homosexual: any attempt by the patient to disprove the theory (as by pointing out his strong desire for women) is evidence of denial and thus evidence of the underlying theory[citation needed]. This tension can become serious, especially in areas such as child abuse and recovered memory. Proponents often respond to allegations of false memory by asserting that the subjects are genuine victims who have reverted to denial[citation needed]. Critics reply (some seriously, some less so) that it is the proponents who are in denial about the tenuousness of their theories[citation needed].

The concept of denial is important in twelve-step programs, where the abandonment or reversal of denial forms the basis of the first, fourth, fifth, eighth and tenth steps. The ability to deny or minimize is an essential part of what enables an addict to continue his or her behavior in the face of evidence that, to an outsider, appears overwhelming. This is cited as one of the reasons that compulsion is seldom effective in treating addiction — the habit of denial remains.

Understanding and avoiding denial is also important in the treatment of various diseases. The American Heart Association cites denial as a principal reason that treatment of a heart attack is delayed. Because the symptoms are so varied, and often have other potential explanations, the opportunity exists for the patient to deny the emergency, often with fatal consequences. It is common for patients to delay mammograms or other tests because of a fear of cancer, even though this is clearly maladaptive. It is the responsibility of the care team, and of the nursing staff in particular, to train at-risk patients to avoid such behavior.


Good one Peanut!!! ROFLROFLROFL But I know myself well enough this isn't my homer denial reaction. I just get this feel that alot a folks are sandbagging keeping their voting cards close to their vests. Hell, Carter,Kerry and Gore were all up a couple days before the election and for that matter the media said by 7-10pts. I have never believed in the polls just because of the liberal bias these last 35-40yrs and Carter,Gore and Kerry are proof of that.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Hell, Carter,Kerry and Gore were all up a couple days before the electionNO. THEY. WERE. NOT.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 11:00 PM
There goes Wyoming and Pennsylvania. :D

Precisely, and don't underestimate pissed off white folk that don't forget backhanded redneck comments from Obama and Murtha. That just didn't piss off Pennsylvania folk but all of the South and Midwest folk(black and white) for that matter. And I know the 527 ad (Jeremiah Wright)that I believe the GOP group put together has 6mil to spend these last 3 days in all these swing states that will remind and introduce(to some) as well the ideology that is really the big O's true colors coming through on top of his unapologetic Socialist "spread the wealth"agenda.

Cannibal
11-02-2008, 11:01 PM
In fairness to intrade, McCain picked Palin out of his ass. It was a knee-jerk move and who knows when he actually came to the decision of Palin.

True, but imo, more money should have been on Palin. I don't trust Intrade that much really. I'll be satisfied when the votes have been counted and Obama has won.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 11:01 PM
NO. THEY. WERE. NOT.

Get your facts straight!!!

triple
11-02-2008, 11:03 PM
i have heard that some of these pollsters are getting very high numbers of people decline to answer or that the weighting is tilted a long ways democratic based on these supposed new registrants going to show up. if something the pollsters dont expect happens in turnout the bets could be off.

but really, it's unlikely. i hope as much as you do that america does not want to sell itself into socialist bondage, it's hard to believe that it would, but the numbers are what they are. go vote and if the results are bad, turn off the news and throw in a movie. politics aren't life. at least to normal people

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 11:14 PM
Could be that America will be "no more" come Nov 5th. But there is a "Gleam fellas"!!

Uncle_Ted
11-02-2008, 11:14 PM
This story started breaking this afternoon and it is cause for concern. I'm just wondering how this is going to play in the coal states like Pennsylvania. Coal is a very abundant source of energy in this country. I have no problem with moving towards clean coal but to punish the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy is beyond naive. It's in Obama's own words. This will probably not play well in the coal states.

Except those aren't Obama's "own words" :rolleyes:

But at this point, honestly, I think I'm just going to quit giving a shit. Some people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.

People like Drudge are smart enough to know better, but they would rather mislead the American people. For years I've had Drudge as my home page and put up with the bogus headlines and the blatant (and not so blatant) spin because it was a good place to get breaking news, but these days he is headlining garbage like this on an almost daily basis.

Guess it's time to find a new homepage.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 11:15 PM
i have heard that some of these pollsters are getting very high numbers of people decline to answer or that the weighting is tilted a long ways democratic based on these supposed new registrants going to show up. if something the pollsters dont expect happens in turnout the bets could be off.

but really, it's unlikely. i hope as much as you do that america does not want to sell itself into socialist bondage, it's hard to believe that it would, but the numbers are what they are. go vote and if the results are bad, turn off the news and throw in a movie. politics aren't life. at least to normal people

Yes I heard 80% don't answer either way.

jAZ
11-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Get your facts straight!!!
No kidding... late August... the last time Kerry had a lead in the polls in 2004.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news_images-on_site/3waybig.jpg

I suspect you are doing the same thing I did a few months ago. Confusing the exit poll results with the pre-election polling.

jAZ
11-02-2008, 11:23 PM
i have heard that some of these pollsters are getting very high numbers of people decline to answer or that the weighting is tilted a long ways democratic based on these supposed new registrants going to show up. if something the pollsters dont expect happens in turnout the bets could be off.

but really, it's unlikely. i hope as much as you do that america does not want to sell itself into socialist bondage, it's hard to believe that it would, but the numbers are what they are. go vote and if the results are bad, turn off the news and throw in a movie. politics aren't life. at least to normal people

Even Frank Luntz has thrown in the towel...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7703000/7703725.stm

"I cannot foresee a scenario that John McCain is elected the President of the United States."

The_Grand_Illusion
11-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Except those aren't Obama's "own words" :rolleyes:

But at this point, honestly, I think I'm just going to quit giving a shit. Some people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.

People like Drudge are smart enough to know better, but they would rather mislead the American people. For years I've had Drudge as my home page and put up with the bogus headlines and the blatant (and not so blatant) spin because it was a good place to get breaking news, but these days he is headlining garbage like this on an almost daily basis.

Guess it's time to find a new homepage.

They most certainly are his own words! What kind of fantasy world to you live in? He's got ads running that support the coal industry only to find out with his "own words" how he wants to punish them. The ones who have been misleading this whole election has been the main stream media for giving Obama a huge pass but yet, like this major newspaper, sat on this info. They didn't even include it in the original article. There's nothing wrong with vetting presidential candidates but you, like the MSM, have given him a pass and just attack anyone who does want to know more. It's been unbelievable to watch tactics like this play out in this election, not just here.

Chiefshrink
11-02-2008, 11:28 PM
No kidding... late August... the last time Kerry had a lead in the polls in 2004.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news_images-on_site/3waybig.jpg

I suspect you are doing the same thing I did a few months ago. Confusing the exit poll results with the pre-election polling.

The majority of the other polls said otherwise.

Mecca
11-02-2008, 11:30 PM
This guy literally has the worst threads, are you a dup of KcJohnny it's really the only explanation.

|Zach|
11-02-2008, 11:30 PM
The majority of the other polls said otherwise.

False.

You are just full of shit.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/polls/index.html

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/ELECTION/2004/special/polls/images/key.likely.voters.gif
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/ELECTION/2004/special/president/showdown/images/charts/likely.voters_10.31.gif

Mecca
11-02-2008, 11:33 PM
Next thing you know he'll say if the young vote shows up it will favor McCain....oh wait that actually already happened today with shtsprayer...

It's one thing to be losing and expect to lose it's another to make extremely irrational arguments about it.

jAZ
11-02-2008, 11:38 PM
The majority of the other polls said otherwise.
This isn't a single poll, you empty suit. This is a poll of polls. It's an average of the polls at the time.

Here's the full set of polling data from RCP covering all of the polls taken in that graph.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html

You'll notice that the last date that Kerry had a consistent set of polls showing him ahead was taken from August 12-18th.

CBS News (835 RV) 8/15 - 8/18 44% 47% Kerry +3
Battleground Poll (1,000 LV) 8/15 - 8/17 47% 49% Kerry +2
Zogby (1,011 LV) 8/12 - 8/14 43% 50% Kerry +7

You can have whatever opinion you want, but you don't get your own facts.

|Zach|
11-02-2008, 11:39 PM
You can have whatever opinion you want, but you don't get your own facts.

Yes.

Taco John
11-02-2008, 11:46 PM
I don't put much stock in the Intrade market.




If I didn't understand it, I wouldn't either. But come Tuesday, it will be right, whatever happens.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 12:36 AM
If I didn't understand it, I wouldn't either. But come Tuesday, it will be right, whatever happens.

Like I said before, Intrade is not a leading indicator. It's a trailing indicator, which follows the the media coverage, which follows the polling data, which follows the public sentiment.

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 12:54 AM
Yes.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Damn it's fun yanking all the Liberals chains on this board. I knew I get a few of you upriled!! Liberals and their "thin skin".:)

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 12:57 AM
This isn't a single poll, you empty suit. This is a poll of polls. It's an average of the polls at the time.

Here's the full set of polling data from RCP covering all of the polls taken in that graph.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html

You'll notice that the last date that Kerry had a consistent set of polls showing him ahead was taken from August 12-18th.

CBS News (835 RV) 8/15 - 8/18 44% 47% Kerry +3
Battleground Poll (1,000 LV) 8/15 - 8/17 47% 49% Kerry +2
Zogby (1,011 LV) 8/12 - 8/14 43% 50% Kerry +7

You can have whatever opinion you want, but you don't get your own facts.


Empty suit?????????? Better look at your boy 'O'!!!

jAZ
11-03-2008, 12:57 AM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Damn it's fun yanking all the Liberals chains on this board. I knew I get a few of you upriled!! Liberals and their "thin skin".:)

Kotter 2: Electric Boogaloo

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 01:01 AM
This guy literally has the worst threads, are you a dup of KcJohnny it's really the only explanation.

And you still read them. :thumb:

Taco John
11-03-2008, 01:08 AM
Like I said before, Intrade is not a leading indicator. It's a trailing indicator, which follows the the media coverage, which follows the polling data, which follows the public sentiment.



I've never claimed it to be a leading indicator. Nor has anyone who has any idea of what they're talking about.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 01:20 AM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Damn it's fun yanking all the Liberals chains on this board. I knew I get a few of you upriled!! Liberals and their "thin skin".:)

There is nothing liberal about reacting to someone spreading lies.

Enjoy the chain yanking though.

Because I will enjoy November 4th, 2008.

penchief
11-03-2008, 06:45 AM
Your entire premise is undermined when you equate the establishment candidate to David and the improbable candidate to Goliath.

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 06:49 AM
And you still read them. :thumb:

They fear us, General. There's simply no other explanation for transferring the Bush derangement syndrome onto us.

:thumb:

jjjayb
11-03-2008, 06:54 AM
In my opinion, at this point, if McCain wins this, it will be because of election fraud.

Getting your excuses ready?

penchief
11-03-2008, 07:13 AM
They fear us, General. There's simply no other explanation for transferring the Bush derangement syndrome onto us.

:thumb:

The only thing I fear is that the madness from the extreme right continues unabated. You and your ilk have contributed to the self-destruction of America. People like you won't be happy until every aspect of this country is under the thumb of a theocratic dictatorship. Your type of fascist beliefs are no different than those of the Taliban.

I hope and pray to God that someday people like you will experience a true epiphany so that the rest of us will finally be able to live in peace.

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 07:17 AM
The only thing I fear is that this madness from the extreme right continues unabated. You and your ilk have contributed to the self-destruction of America. People like you won't be happy until every aspect of this country is under the thumb of a theocratic dictatorship. Your type of fascist beliefs are no different than those of the Taliban.

I hope and pray to God that someday people like you will experience a true epiphany so that the rest of us will finally be able to live in peace.

No, penchief, its a theocratic monarchy we want. That way we can own slaves and force everyone to worship our God the way we want.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 08:47 AM
I've never claimed it to be a leading indicator. Nor has anyone who has any idea of what they're talking about.
It's reflective of the media coverage of the moment. If you think the media coverage is a strong predictor of outcome, then Intrade is going to be reflective of that prediction.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 08:50 AM
They fear us, General.
I think that's true. The world is rightly afraid of the fringe elements like you.

vailpass
11-03-2008, 08:52 AM
The only thing I fear is that the madness from the extreme right continues unabated. You and your ilk have contributed to the self-destruction of America. People like you won't be happy until every aspect of this country is under the thumb of a theocratic dictatorship. Your type of fascist beliefs are no different than those of the Taliban.

I hope and pray to God that someday people like you will experience a true epiphany so that the rest of us will finally be able to live in peace.

ROFL Oh my goodness did they do bad things to you at some point there soldier?
Could you be anymore hippie dramatic?

whoman69
11-03-2008, 09:21 AM
Who knows? I wonder how this is going to go over in the coal states like Pennsylvania.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

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I can't believe you use newsbusters as a news source.

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Your entire premise is undermined when you equate the establishment candidate to David and the improbable candidate to Goliath.

Excuse me? Huh? Back off on the weed there Pen!:spock:

The_Grand_Illusion
11-03-2008, 12:38 PM
I can't believe you use newsbusters as a news source.

I've witnessed plenty of posters here attack the source in order to discredit the message. That does not work in this case because these are Obama's own words. I just don't understand how some of you take what Obama, his campaign, the MSM, says on blind faith. I'm a former Dem and I still wouldn't even do that if I still was. Be thankful we have an alternate media to help vet this guy because the Dems and the MSM have obviously not.

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 12:42 PM
The only thing I fear is that the madness from the extreme right continues unabated. You and your ilk have contributed to the self-destruction of America. People like you won't be happy until every aspect of this country is under the thumb of a theocratic dictatorship. Your type of fascist beliefs are no different than those of the Taliban.

I hope and pray to God that someday people like you will experience a true epiphany so that the rest of us will finally be able to live in peace.

Madness? Ilk? Unabated? Self-destruction of America? Fascist beliefs? No different than the Taliban? Pen look in the mirror along with your Dem party and there you will find all the adjectives and nouns that describe what the Dem Party has evolved into to this point. So please go change your tampon and sew your pussy up pleeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!:rolleyes:

penchief
11-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Madness? Ilk? Unabated? Self-destruction of America? Fascist beliefs? No different than the Taliban? Pen look in the mirror along with your Dem party and there you will find all the adjectives and nouns that describe what the Dem Party has evolved into to this point. So please go change your tampon and sew your pussy up pleeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!:rolleyes:

I'm not talking to you. I'm talking directly to HypocriteJohnny. And everything I said is true. The right wing in this country has trashed America and until reasonable people decide that enough is enough, it is going to continue. Bush and Palin are poster children for the insanity.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 01:08 PM
Madness? Ilk? Unabated? Self-destruction of America? Fascist beliefs? No different than the Taliban? Pen look in the mirror along with your Dem party and there you will find all the adjectives and nouns that describe what the Dem Party has evolved into to this point. So please go change your tampon and sew your pussy up pleeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!:rolleyes:

Sew your pussy up?

That's not how it works.

banyon
11-05-2008, 09:32 AM
How does your gut feel today?

Sully
11-05-2008, 09:35 AM
How does your gut feel today?
Dewey won...

Amnorix
11-05-2008, 09:44 AM
How does your gut feel today?

ROFLROFLROFL