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Frankie
11-03-2008, 02:49 PM
In 2000 I decided to act on my suspicion that oil companies might try to influence presidential elections. My brother who is a Democrat but works for an oil company disagrees with my suspicion and we have had our arguments over this. But here is my personal observation that strengthens my argument and conviction to way beyond being merely a conspiracy theory:

Elections 2000-

After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections. A lot of people went to voting booths rattled by this and blaming the Dems for it in their minds.

Elections 2004-

In the last few months of the Kerry/Bush race the oil prices suddently started to ease up dramatically. Shortly after that election, they rose back up almost as fast.

Elections 2008-

Have you seen gas prices lately? Enybody who will vote for the Republican ticket thinking that the Republican economy has now found a handle on these prices is a freaking idot. They will be back up in the first few months of a (God forbid) McCain administration and will go up even more afterwards. Just like they did in '04.

I am not gonna waste my time providing proof of the obvious, so please don't ask me for a link. Do your own research and prove me wrong.

RaiderH8r
11-03-2008, 02:55 PM
In 2000 I decided to act on my suspicion that oil companies might try to influence presidential elections. My brother who is a Democrat but works for an oil company disagrees with my suspicion and we have had our arguments over this. But here is my personal observation that strengthens my argument and conviction to way beyond being merely a conspiracy theory:

Elections 2000-

After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections. A lot of people went to voting booths rattled by this and blaming the Dems for it in their minds.

Elections 2004-

In the last few months of the Kerry/Bush race the oil prices suddently started to ease up dramatically. Shortly after that election, they rose back up almost as fast.

Elections 2008-

Have you seen gas prices lately? Enybody who will vote for the Republican ticket thinking that the Republican economy has now found a handle on these prices is a freaking idot. They will be back up in the first few months of a (God forbid) McCain administration and will go up even more afterwards. Just like they did in '04.

I am not gonna waste my time providing proof of the obvious, so please don't ask me for a link. Do your own research and prove me wrong.

The SEC and DOJ constantly investigate oil companies on baseless accusations of collusion from tin foil hat types and come up with squat.

Exxon holds less than 3% of world reserves, the 5 majors collectively hold less than 6% of world reserves. They don't control dick. Put down your crack pipe and take in a big whiff of reality.

The obvious is you're taking coincidental occurances and devining some devious plot from those circumstances. Which is one of the defining characteristics of a paranoid delusion.

Frankie
11-03-2008, 02:55 PM
This thraed was originally posted in the lounge. Please put you reactions here.

FishingRod
11-03-2008, 04:27 PM
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Oil fell nearly 6 percent on Monday as further indicators of falling demand linked to a potential recession offset OPEC plans to reign in output.

U.S. crude settled down $3.90 at $63.91 a barrel, after October saw the steepest monthly price decline ever for oil as global demand slowed. London Brent crude dropped $4.84 to settle at $60.48 a barrel.

Oil hit a record $147.27 a barrel in mid-July but has since more than halved as poor economic data added to pressure from weak demand reports in the United States and other key consumer nations.

"The most devastating blow for crude oil today is data showing that U.S. manufacturing activity in October fell to the lowest level in 26 years, which means more worries for oil demand," said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading, in Chicago.

"Manufacturing used to be a great forward indicator for oil demand, but if the manufacturing sector is down, it will be a struggle to keep oil demand up," he added.

U.S. factory activity -- a barometer for future oil demand -- contracted sharply in October, falling to its lowest in 26 years as the financial crisis racked the world's largest economy.

The Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity fell to 38.9 in October from 43.5 in September. A reading below 40 is exceptionally weak.

BP (BP.L) Chief Executive Tony Hayward estimated U.S. demand has dropped 2 million barrels per day on the year over the last four weeks.

Corporate results and outlooks worsened on Monday, and automotive companies from Japan to Italy to Detroit said October sales were the weakest in about 20 years as economies continued to weaken and consumer credit, and available cash, dried up.

Ford Motor Co's (F.N) U.S. sales for October were down 30.2 percent on last year, with General Motors, Chrysler, Nissan and Volvo all reporting considerable slumps year on year.

OPEC CUTS

The market has been awaiting signs Saudi Arabia has cut back crude production after the OPEC agreed in October to reduce output by 1.5 million barrels per day (bpd) to support tumbling prices.

Saudi Arabia has yet to inform its customers of any cuts in November oil supply, trade sources in Asia said.

OPEC President Chakib Khelil said on Sunday that cartel members must implement agreed output cuts and inform customers of the reductions if they want a stable oil price between $70-$90 a barrel.

United Arab Emirates Oil Minister Mohammed al-Hamli said the OPEC member has kept its pledge to cut oil supplies in line with commitments.

A Reuters survey showed OPEC oil supply fell in October for a second consecutive month as Saudi Arabia and Iran trimmed production and maintenance curbed supply in the United Arab Emirates.

A separate poll of analysts ahead of weekly U.S. government inventory data forecast U.S. crude oil stocks rose by 1.1 million barrels last week. The analysts predicted a 1.3-million-barrel build in distillate inventories and a 1-million-barrel drawdown in gasoline stocks.

(Additional reporting by Robert Gibbons and Gene Ramos in New York, Alex Lawler and Ikuko Kao in London and Fayen Wong in Perth; Editing by Christian Wiessner)

Frankie
11-03-2008, 05:01 PM
Very convenient.

Donger
11-03-2008, 05:12 PM
In 2000 I decided to act on my suspicion that oil companies might try to influence presidential elections. My brother who is a Democrat but works for an oil company disagrees with my suspicion and we have had our arguments over this. But here is my personal observation that strengthens my argument and conviction to way beyond being merely a conspiracy theory:

Elections 2000-

After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections. A lot of people went to voting booths rattled by this and blaming the Dems for it in their minds.

Elections 2004-

In the last few months of the Kerry/Bush race the oil prices suddently started to ease up dramatically. Shortly after that election, they rose back up almost as fast.

Elections 2008-

Have you seen gas prices lately? Enybody who will vote for the Republican ticket thinking that the Republican economy has now found a handle on these prices is a freaking idot. They will be back up in the first few months of a (God forbid) McCain administration and will go up even more afterwards. Just like they did in '04.

I am not gonna waste my time providing proof of the obvious, so please don't ask me for a link. Do your own research and prove me wrong.

2000

Mar 03, 2000 27.15
Mar 10, 2000 28.8
Mar 17, 2000 27.35
Mar 24, 2000 25.12
Mar 31, 2000 24.37
Apr 07, 2000 23.39
Apr 14, 2000 21.93
Apr 21, 2000 22.74
Apr 28, 2000 23.28
May 05, 2000 24.29
May 12, 2000 26.2
May 19, 2000 27.37
May 26, 2000 27.65
Jun 02, 2000 27.72
Jun 09, 2000 27.69
Jun 16, 2000 28.98
Jun 23, 2000 28.51
Jun 30, 2000 29.27
Jul 07, 2000 28.7
Jul 14, 2000 28.14
Jul 21, 2000 26.94
Jul 28, 2000 25.06
Aug 04, 2000 25.21
Aug 11, 2000 26.84
Aug 18, 2000 27.93
Aug 25, 2000 28.43
Sep 01, 2000 30.59
Sep 08, 2000 32.32
Sep 15, 2000 30.63
Sep 22, 2000 31.39
Sep 29, 2000 28.28
Oct 06, 2000 28.33
Oct 13, 2000 30.64
Oct 20, 2000 29.71
Oct 27, 2000 30.46
Nov 03, 2000 29.37
Nov 10, 2000 30.27
Nov 17, 2000 31.06
Nov 24, 2000 30.68
Dec 01, 2000 29.66
Dec 08, 2000 25.45

Donger
11-03-2008, 05:12 PM
2004

Mar 05, 2004 30.88
Mar 12, 2004 31.15
Mar 19, 2004 31.46
Mar 26, 2004 31.51
Apr 02, 2004 30.07
Apr 09, 2004 29.55
Apr 16, 2004 31.21
Apr 23, 2004 31.24
Apr 30, 2004 31.75
May 07, 2004 33.63
May 14, 2004 35.01
May 21, 2004 36.15
May 28, 2004 35.49
Jun 04, 2004 35.29
Jun 11, 2004 32.93
Jun 18, 2004 32.6
Jun 25, 2004 32.79
Jul 02, 2004 31.61
Jul 09, 2004 34.12
Jul 16, 2004 34.94
Jul 23, 2004 35.9
Jul 30, 2004 36.84
Aug 06, 2004 38.27
Aug 13, 2004 39.03
Aug 20, 2004 40.68
Aug 27, 2004 39.29
Sep 03, 2004 37.05
Sep 10, 2004 37.16
Sep 17, 2004 37.48
Sep 24, 2004 39.8
Oct 01, 2004 41.62
Oct 08, 2004 42.26
Oct 15, 2004 44.31
Oct 22, 2004 44.27
Oct 29, 2004 44.98
Nov 05, 2004 40.84
Nov 12, 2004 38.16
Nov 19, 2004 35.77
Nov 26, 2004 37.71
Dec 03, 2004 36.83
Dec 10, 2004 32.25
Dec 17, 2004 33.21
Dec 24, 2004 36.16
Dec 31, 2004 33.05
Jan 07, 2005 35.16
Jan 14, 2005 38.26
Jan 21, 2005 39.49
Jan 28, 2005 42.76

Donger
11-03-2008, 05:13 PM
As any child can see, Frankie, your assertions are false.

triple
11-03-2008, 05:14 PM
this is just absurd.

Calcountry
11-03-2008, 06:00 PM
I am not gonna waste my time providing proof of the obvious, so please don't ask me for a link. Do your own research and prove me wrong.No, you are going to waste our time by starting a thread with merely your opinion, then have the gall to tell us to not bother asking you for a link.

LMAO.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 06:02 PM
As any child can see, Frankie, your assertions are false.

Yeah but they make for good party talk!

vailpass
11-03-2008, 06:04 PM
LMAO
Why don't you come with me little girl on a magic carpet ride?!

Donger
11-03-2008, 06:07 PM
Yeah but they make for good party talk!

Is this party a retardation gathering?

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Is this party a retardation gathering?

ROFL

Come on, like people don't talk like this every election year.

Regardless of the facts.

BTW, Obama's a Muslim Terrorist plant, just in case you haven't heard.

Frankie
11-03-2008, 07:06 PM
As any child can see, Frankie, your assertions are false.

Could you explain the 3rd column and reveal your source? I stand by my observation as I deliberately kept aware of the gas price changes during the last months of each election.

Frankie
11-03-2008, 07:08 PM
No, you are going to waste our time by starting a thread with merely your opinion.

What part of "My personal observation" was so hard to understand, BT?

Donger
11-03-2008, 07:37 PM
Could you explain the 3rd column and reveal your source? I stand by my observation as I deliberately kept aware of the gas price changes during the last months of each election.

Those are WTI crude oil prices.

Iowanian
11-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Interestingly enough, I assumed any observations Frankie made would look more like

http://medicineworld.org/images/blogs/10-2006/virtul-colonoscopy-6161.jpg

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:47 PM
In 2000 I decided to act on my suspicion that oil companies might try to influence presidential elections. My brother who is a Democrat but works for an oil company disagrees with my suspicion and we have had our arguments over this. But here is my personal observation that strengthens my argument and conviction to way beyond being merely a conspiracy theory:

Elections 2000-

After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections. A lot of people went to voting booths rattled by this and blaming the Dems for it in their minds.

Elections 2004-

In the last few months of the Kerry/Bush race the oil prices suddently started to ease up dramatically. Shortly after that election, they rose back up almost as fast.

Elections 2008-

Have you seen gas prices lately? Enybody who will vote for the Republican ticket thinking that the Republican economy has now found a handle on these prices is a freaking idot. They will be back up in the first few months of a (God forbid) McCain administration and will go up even more afterwards. Just like they did in '04.

I am not gonna waste my time providing proof of the obvious, so please don't ask me for a link. Do your own research and prove me wrong.

I don't believe you about the election of 2000. Do you have anything to validate your memory?

My observation is that gas prices typically rise during the summer and fall in the fall.

Frankie
11-03-2008, 10:53 PM
Those are WTI crude oil prices.

Was I talking about crude oil or the refined gas for our cars?

2bikemike
11-04-2008, 12:09 AM
Wow if all this were true why didn't whoever is controlling the gas prices lower the prices back when it might of done McCain some good?

Frankie
11-04-2008, 08:23 AM
Wow if all this were true why didn't whoever is controlling the gas prices lower the prices back when it might of done McCain some good?

Have you checked the gas prices lately?

FishingRod
11-04-2008, 08:40 AM
So the oil companies have switched from the Republicans last time to the Democratic party this time?

You do know the Democrats control Congress don't you? You know "Congress", where the Laws are passed, the spending comes from, bribes are accepted, You know, Congress?

Iowanian
11-04-2008, 08:44 AM
Reason is wasted on Frankie, FR.

Frankie
11-04-2008, 08:58 AM
So the oil companies have switched from the Republicans last time to the Democratic party this time?


How did you arrive at that? "A republican administration has now gained control of gas prices and has brought them down." That's what a lot of people see. And for some could be a difference maker. I never said, falling prices under the Republican administration is the sole reason to vote for them. I'm saying the gas companies are doing their part to help out. I doubt it'll make much of a difference this election. But they are doing their part.

[B]You do know the Democrats control Congress don't you? You know "Congress", where the Laws are passed, the spending comes from, bribes are accepted, You know, Congress?
1- Dems have almost no majority in the senate. Your use of the phrase "control of congress" is bogus.

2- Dems might be in the pockets of some lobbies, but the oil lobby is pretty much in bed with Repubs.

Donger
11-04-2008, 08:59 AM
Was I talking about crude oil or the refined gas for our cars?

Well, let's look:

Elections 2000-

After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections. A lot of people went to voting booths rattled by this and blaming the Dems for it in their minds.

Elections 2004-

In the last few months of the Kerry/Bush race the oil prices suddently started to ease up dramatically. Shortly after that election, they rose back up almost as fast.

Elections 2008-

Have you seen gas prices lately? Enybody who will vote for the Republican ticket thinking that the Republican economy has now found a handle on these prices is a freaking idot. They will be back up in the first few months of a (God forbid) McCain administration and will go up even more afterwards. Just like they did in '04.

I count two oil price mentions and one gas price mention. Which is it?

Donger
11-04-2008, 09:00 AM
How did you arrive at that? "A republican administration has now gained control of gas prices and has brought them down." That's what a lot of people see. And for some could be a difference maker. I never said, falling prices under the Republican administration is the sole reason to vote for them. I'm saying the gas companies are doing their part to help out. I doubt it'll make much of a difference this election. But they are doing their part.


1- Dems have almost no majority in the senate. Your use of the phrase "control of congress" is bogus.

2- Dems might be in the pockets of some lobbies, but the oil lobby is pretty much in bed with Repubs.

You are aware that "the oil companies" do not set the price of crude, right?

Iowanian
11-04-2008, 09:01 AM
You'll have to forgive Frankie, Donger, a polyp is obscuring his vision.

Frankie
11-04-2008, 09:38 AM
I count two oil price mentions and one gas price mention. Which is it?

Good catch. My bad. I have been meaning Gas prices all the way. I stand corrected.

Frankie
11-04-2008, 09:40 AM
You'll have to forgive Frankie, Donger, a polyp is obscuring his vision.

ROFL
That's actually really funny. I don't care if it's against me. It's perhaps the funniest line you have posted. Rep.

Donger
11-04-2008, 09:41 AM
Good catch. My bad. I have been meaning Gas prices all the way. I stand corrected.

Okay, here are gasoline prices for 2000:

Jan 03, 2000 126
Jan 10, 2000 125.2
Jan 17, 2000 126.8
Jan 24, 2000 130.7
Jan 31, 2000 130.7
Feb 07, 2000 131.9
Feb 14, 2000 135
Feb 21, 2000 140
Feb 28, 2000 141.3
Mar 06, 2000 149
Mar 13, 2000 151.1
Mar 20, 2000 150.8
Mar 27, 2000 148.4
Apr 03, 2000 147.8
Apr 10, 2000 144.7
Apr 17, 2000 141.5
Apr 24, 2000 140.6
May 01, 2000 138.6
May 08, 2000 142.7
May 15, 2000 146.6
May 22, 2000 149.4
May 29, 2000 150.9
Jun 05, 2000 153.5
Jun 12, 2000 160.7
Jun 19, 2000 166.4
Jun 26, 2000 164.1
Jul 03, 2000 160.6
Jul 10, 2000 157.1
Jul 17, 2000 152.1
Jul 24, 2000 149.9
Jul 31, 2000 144.7
Aug 07, 2000 143.7
Aug 14, 2000 142
Aug 21, 2000 144.4
Aug 28, 2000 145.6
Sep 04, 2000 150.2
Sep 11, 2000 153.5
Sep 18, 2000 153.9
Sep 25, 2000 152.5
Oct 02, 2000 149.8
Oct 09, 2000 147.3
Oct 16, 2000 151.6
Oct 23, 2000 153.2
Oct 30, 2000 152.3
Nov 06, 2000 150.2
Nov 13, 2000 150.1
Nov 20, 2000 148.7
Nov 27, 2000 148.9
Dec 04, 2000 146.4
Dec 11, 2000 142.5
Dec 18, 2000 139.6
Dec 25, 2000 138.8

You claimed: "After more than 7 years of Clinton era prosperity, oil prices shot up radically in the last 6 or 8 monthe before the elections." As you can see, they did not.

Donger
11-04-2008, 09:42 AM
And, 2004:

Jan 05, 2004 149.2
Jan 12, 2004 154.4
Jan 19, 2004 157.9
Jan 26, 2004 160.4
Feb 02, 2004 159.1
Feb 09, 2004 160.9
Feb 16, 2004 161.7
Feb 23, 2004 164.1
Mar 01, 2004 166.4
Mar 08, 2004 169
Mar 15, 2004 167.5
Mar 22, 2004 169.8
Mar 29, 2004 171.6
Apr 05, 2004 173.7
Apr 12, 2004 174
Apr 19, 2004 177.3
Apr 26, 2004 177.4
May 03, 2004 181.1
May 10, 2004 190.4
May 17, 2004 197.9
May 24, 2004 202.6
May 31, 2004 200.4
Jun 07, 2004 198.3
Jun 14, 2004 192.6
Jun 21, 2004 187.3
Jun 28, 2004 185.9
Jul 05, 2004 183.5
Jul 12, 2004 186.9
Jul 19, 2004 188.8
Jul 26, 2004 186.1
Aug 02, 2004 184.6
Aug 09, 2004 183.9
Aug 16, 2004 184.2
Aug 23, 2004 185.4
Aug 30, 2004 182.7
Sep 06, 2004 181.5
Sep 13, 2004 181.3
Sep 20, 2004 183.9
Sep 27, 2004 189.5
Oct 04, 2004 190.2
Oct 11, 2004 194.9
Oct 18, 2004 198.4
Oct 25, 2004 198
Nov 01, 2004 198.6
Nov 08, 2004 195.1
Nov 15, 2004 191.8
Nov 22, 2004 190.1
Nov 29, 2004 190.3
Dec 06, 2004 186.8
Dec 13, 2004 179.9
Dec 20, 2004 177.7
Dec 27, 2004 175.4