PDA

View Full Version : Elections If Obama wins, does he get a "honeymoon"? What does he need to earn your support?


jAZ
11-03-2008, 01:50 PM
If Obama wins, what actions will Obama need to take in order to make him at least minimally successful in your opinion? Similarly what action will make him at least minimally a failure.

Also for the record, in your post, can you please note who you support in this election and in 2004.

Should be interesting.

Frankie
11-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Bill Clinton didn't. As long as thetre are Rush, Hannity, and Savage, no Dem QB will get a "honeymoon."

Guru
11-03-2008, 01:58 PM
If he does everything he says he is going to do... he won't earn it.

SLAG
11-03-2008, 02:00 PM
He would have to piss on the FOCA and criminalize all abortions (even in case of incest or rape... not even to "save the life of the mother") to earn my support,

Donger
11-03-2008, 02:07 PM
Not be a socialist would be a good start.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 02:08 PM
He would have to piss on the FOCA and criminalize all abortions (even in case of incest or rape... not even to "save the life of the mother") to earn my support,

That cannot and will not happen, regardless of who is President.

So I guess NO ONE will ever earn your support.

ClevelandBronco
11-03-2008, 02:09 PM
I guess he could attack Iran.

KILLER_CLOWN
11-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Bring home the troops, close the borders get us out of Nafta, start the manafacturing base back up and most importantly restore the constitution as the supreme law of the land. Am I asking for too much?

ClevelandBronco
11-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Bring home the troops, close the borders get us out of Nafta, start the manafacturing base back up and most importantly restore the constitution as the supreme law of the land. Am I asking for too much?

How would a president "start the manufacturing base back up?"

ChiefaRoo
11-03-2008, 02:13 PM
Not be a socialist would be a good start.

Well said.

BigCatDaddy
11-03-2008, 02:13 PM
I won't support him, but I would respect him if he is able to deliver on his campaign promises of a balanced budget, lowering taxes, and providing health care to all.

SLAG
11-03-2008, 02:14 PM
That cannot and will not happen, regardless of who is President.

So I guess NO ONE will ever earn your support.

You got it

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 02:14 PM
You got it

Wow, that's incredibly myopic.

By the way, name a country in the Western, civilized world where abortions are illegal.

Demonpenz
11-03-2008, 02:15 PM
Unversial health care provided for all and bring troops home

ChiefaRoo
11-03-2008, 02:15 PM
Bring home the troops, close the borders get us out of Nafta, start the manafacturing base back up and most importantly restore the constitution as the supreme law of the land. Am I asking for too much?

Man are you going to be disappointed because he can't or won't do any of that. Yep, you heard it here first were not leaving Iraq completely.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 02:15 PM
You got it

Who are you voting for in this election? Who did you vote for in 2004?

Taco John
11-03-2008, 02:16 PM
I don't expect an awful lot from Barack, but if he wanted my support, I have two words:

spending cuts

Taco John
11-03-2008, 02:16 PM
Let me add two more words:

veto early

SLAG
11-03-2008, 02:19 PM
Who are you voting for in this election? Who did you vote for in 2004?

Since I am in Kansas - a Red state always- I will probably be writing in Alan Keyes

If I was in a state where my vote might actually count it would be McCain - I am also of the belief that None of our votes for president actually count. I firmly believe that the presidential electoral process is all a sham, and the powers that be will elect whomever they really want.

I voted for Bush in 2004

Iowanian
11-03-2008, 02:19 PM
I think the honeymoon will be over when half of his voters figure out that they're not really getting free gas.

ChiefaRoo
11-03-2008, 02:21 PM
I don't expect an awful lot from Barack, but if he wanted my support, I have two words:

spending cuts

I agree, he needs to balance the budget and shrink the size of Govt. via spending cuts. The devil is in the details though. Where is he going to cut and how is he going to pay for all the stuff he has advocated on the campaign trail?

memyselfI
11-03-2008, 02:24 PM
IMO, he's gotten a honeymoon for the last four years since he gave that convention speech. I believe the media will splinter into those seeking to CYA and will turn on NObama as soon as is reasonably possible and those who will follow him off a cliff ala FAUX News and GWB.

I see FAUX looking to end the honeymoon ASAP and MSNBC turning into the new FAUX. CNN will stay on NObama's good side as long as it appears to be helping their bottom line and then will turn if it's not.

For me personally, I believe NObama has gotten such a free ride from the press that I am in no mood to give him one personally. I am not of the belief that even if I did not support the guy that I magically have to put all my doubts and concerns on the back burner once he's sworn in.

IMO, it's open season at that point. I did it with DUHbya and NObama wants to be treated as an equal and so he shall.

He will earn my support by keeping his campaign promises as he claimed he was different and would not just say anything to get elected.

dirk digler
11-03-2008, 02:30 PM
I think the honeymoon will be over when half of his voters figure out that they're not really getting free gas.

Damn he hoodwinked me. :cuss: :)

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 02:44 PM
I am not going to read the other posts first.

#1 He needs to prove to me that he really is an American, and that he loves this country. Same with his wife, I don't trust either of them.

#2 He needs to learn how this country functions, prior to acting on all the hollow claims he has made. ( His own district is currently a murder haven, and a financial waste land, Chicago)

#3 He needs to claim his white side equally.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 02:47 PM
I agree, he needs to balance the budget and shrink the size of Govt. via spending cuts.
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Are you talking about Hussein Obama ?

FishingRod
11-03-2008, 02:50 PM
OK,
It will be very difficult. Admit we can't afford to be a nanny state and greatly scale back his proposed promises. Unlike the last 3 presidents never put those serving our military in harms way for personal political gain. Shift Monies spent by the government from giving a man a fish to teaching how to fish. Be an American not just a mouthpiece for his party. Encourage Congress to pass laws making it easier to legally emigrate to this country and treat illegal emigrants like they are here "ILLEGALLY" and Kick them out. Offer tax credits to private companies investing to alternate energy sources. Shift a greater burden of the expense of protecting our allies to our allies paying their own way.

Any two of these would make me happy. Make it 3 and I'll probably vote to re-elect him. Same thing should McCain somehow win.

Fruit Ninja
11-03-2008, 02:53 PM
I am not going to read the other posts first.

#1 He needs to prove to me that he really is an American, and that he loves this country. Same with his wife, I don't trust either of them.

#2 He needs to learn how this country functions, prior to acting on all the hollow claims he has made. ( His own district is currently a murder haven, and a financial waste land, Chicago)

#3 He needs to claim his white side equally.

All Big Cities are murder haven. There's nothing you can do about that. Los Angeles. Chicago, New York, Phillidelphia. Its all horrible in big cities.

BIG_DADDY
11-03-2008, 02:56 PM
All Big Cities are murder haven. There's nothing you can do about that. Los Angeles. Chicago, New York, Phillidelphia. Its all horrible in big cities.

CHicago is the murder capital, nice spin. They also have the most taxes and the highest amount of debt per capita. This is the guy you want to lead us out of our financial problems? LMAO

triple
11-03-2008, 02:58 PM
i don't see myself ever "supporting" him unless he completely changes from what he is.

StcChief
11-03-2008, 02:59 PM
take one for the USA and resign.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 03:04 PM
Since I am in Kansas - a Red state always- I will probably be writing in Alan Keyes

If I was in a state where my vote might actually count it would be McCain - I am also of the belief that None of our votes for president actually count. I firmly believe that the presidential electoral process is all a sham, and the powers that be will elect whomever they really want.

I voted for Bush in 2004

So it doesn't really take all that radical talk you mentioned "to earn (your) support"? Just be Repubilcan of some sort.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:05 PM
Since I am in Kansas - a Red state always- I will probably be writing in Alan Keyes

If I was in a state where my vote might actually count it would be McCain - I am also of the belief that None of our votes for president actually count. I firmly believe that the presidential electoral process is all a sham, and the powers that be will elect whomever they really want.

I voted for Bush in 2004

You should change your user name to LoneGunmen

jAZ
11-03-2008, 03:07 PM
IMO, he's gotten a honeymoon for the last four years since he gave that convention speech. I believe the media will splinter into those seeking to CYA and will turn on NObama as soon as is reasonably possible and those who will follow him off a cliff ala FAUX News and GWB.

I see FAUX looking to end the honeymoon ASAP and MSNBC turning into the new FAUX. CNN will stay on NObama's good side as long as it appears to be helping their bottom line and then will turn if it's not.

For me personally, I believe NObama has gotten such a free ride from the press that I am in no mood to give him one personally. I am not of the belief that even if I did not support the guy that I magically have to put all my doubts and concerns on the back burner once he's sworn in.

IMO, it's open season at that point. I did it with DUHbya and NObama wants to be treated as an equal and so he shall.
Lots of specificity about "honeymoon"...
He will earn my support by keeping his campaign promises as he claimed he was different and would not just say anything to get elected.

...but next to nothing about the question you asked me to start this thread so you would answer.

Classic.

Why did you waste my time if you weren't even going to try to answer?

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:08 PM
CHicago is the murder capital, nice spin. They also have the most taxes and the highest amount of debt per capita. This is the guy you want to lead us out of our financial problems? LMAO

I don't know how a state senator or US Senator for the state can be blamed for all the problems of a city in the state. There are many, many, many other shitty politicians in this state that share in that blame and have been around a lot longer than Obama.

triple
11-03-2008, 03:10 PM
I don't know how a state senator or US Senator for the state can be blamed for

you forgot community organizer :doh!:

SLAG
11-03-2008, 03:13 PM
So it doesn't really take all that radical talk you mentioned "to earn (your) support"? Just be Repubilcan of some sort.

You were asking me, what It would take for me to support him
I stated my ideal/optimal reasons for me to support him.

Its not about being a Republican its about ending the American Holocaust that is Abortion.

FishingRod
11-03-2008, 03:13 PM
IMO, he's gotten a honeymoon for the last four years since he gave that convention speech. I believe the media will splinter into those seeking to CYA and will turn on NObama as soon as is reasonably possible and those who will follow him off a cliff ala FAUX News and GWB.

I see FAUX looking to end the honeymoon ASAP and MSNBC turning into the new FAUX. CNN will stay on NObama's good side as long as it appears to be helping their bottom line and then will turn if it's not.

For me personally, I believe NObama has gotten such a free ride from the press that I am in no mood to give him one personally. I am not of the belief that even if I did not support the guy that I magically have to put all my doubts and concerns on the back burner once he's sworn in.

IMO, it's open season at that point. I did it with DUHbya and NObama wants to be treated as an equal and so he shall.

He will earn my support by keeping his campaign promises as he claimed he was different and would not just say anything to get elected.

This kind of surprises me. I haven't been around much the last couple of years because I couldn't at the jobs I had. But When last I checked you were at the very front of the line of the Dubya should be shot, and then hanged, lather rise and repeat. I would have thought you giddy that it appears we are going to have a very liberal Democratic president. What gives? Are you just pissed that it's not Hillary? You miss a couple of years around here and it take a good 30 seconds to catch up.

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:16 PM
You were asking me, what It would take for me to support him
I stated my ideal/optimal reasons for me to support him.

Its not about being a Republican its about ending the American Holocaust that is Abortion.

You really compare the Holocaust to abortion? Really?

Wow.

SLAG
11-03-2008, 03:18 PM
You should change your user name to LoneGunmen

I dont mean to sound all conspiracy theorist, its just how I honestly feel.

I feel that the power to elect the President does not reside with the people.

Sure for your local county stuff, mayor... maybe even governor... but for president.. I dont feel the American people really have a choice

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:19 PM
You really compare the Holocaust to abortion? Really?

Wow.

Hey Frazod, come on over to the Planned Parenthood in eastern Aurora and you will see the Pro-Lifers saying all kinds of wacky shit. I have to drive through them going to the grocery store and it's always something borderline retarded going on over there.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:20 PM
I dont mean to sound all conspiracy theorist, its just how I honestly feel.

I feel that the power to elect the President does not reside with the people.

Sure for your local county stuff, mayor... maybe even governor... but for president.. I dont feel the American people really have a choice

Geez, Dude. I'm really sorry to hear that.

I disagree vehemently, but I'm sorry to hear that a member of American society feels that his vote is irrelevant.

SLAG
11-03-2008, 03:22 PM
You really compare the Holocaust to abortion? Really?

Wow.

I did no comparison at all..
This is a new Holocaust... this Holocaust is way worse than the previous one.

There have been 48,589,993 Total Abortions since 1973.

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:22 PM
Hey Frazod, come on over to the Planned Parenthood in eastern Aurora and you will see the Pro-Lifers saying all kinds of wacky shit. I have to drive through them going to the grocery store and it's always something borderline retarded going on over there.

I think I'll pass. It's bad enough seeing the fucking psychopaths with their giant dead fetus posters downtown twice a year.

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:24 PM
I did no comparison at all..
This is a new Holocaust... this Holocaust is way worse than the previous one.

There have been 48,589,993 Total Abortions since 1973.

Yet the human species seems to be enduring somehow. Go figure. :rolleyes:

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:24 PM
CHicago is the murder capital, nice spin. They also have the most taxes and the highest amount of debt per capita. This is the guy you want to lead us out of our financial problems? LMAO

Yeah, I could spend hours talking about the higher taxes in Cook county, poorer services, crime, etc. etc.

Of course, Obama has only actually worked at his job a few months, so it could always get worse.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:25 PM
I think I'll pass. It's bad enough seeing the ****ing psychopaths with their giant dead fetus posters downtown twice a year.

Oh I saw those a couple of weeks ago in front of the Planned Parenthood. I have no problem with the other protestors, they have the right to peacefully assemble. The assholes with the posters have that right too, but I also have the right to tell them what I think of their worthless asses as I drive by.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:26 PM
I don't know how a state senator or US Senator for the state can be blamed for all the problems of a city in the state. There are many, many, many other shitty politicians in this state that share in that blame and have been around a lot longer than Obama.


True, but wouldn't you rather he fixed some of this shit, and learned how, prior to running the whole country?

SLAG
11-03-2008, 03:27 PM
Oh I saw those a couple of weeks ago in front of the Planned Parenthood. I have no problem with the other protestors, they have the right to peacefully assemble. The assholes with the posters have that right too, but I also have the right to tell them what I think of their worthless asses as I drive by.

<div><embed src="http://www.onetruemedia.com/share_view_player?p=7030bd098cca768e72d111" quality="high" scale="noscale" width="312" height="310" wmode="transparent" name="FLVPlayer" salign="LT" flashvars="&p=7030bd098cca768e72d111&skin_id=801&host=http://www.onetruemedia.com" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"></embed><div style="margin:0px;font:12px/13px verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:20px;padding-bottom:15px;width:312px;text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.onetruemedia.com/share_player_link?p=7030bd098cca768e72d111&skin_id=801&source=emplay" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.onetruemedia.com/share_player_link_image/7030bd098cca768e72d111/801.gif" style="border:0px;" width="312" /></a><br/><a href="http://www.onetruemedia.com/landing?&utm_source=emplay&utm_medium=txt3" target="_blank" style="text-decoration:none;">Make video montages at <span style="text-decoration:underline;">www.OneTrueMedia.com</span></a></div></div>

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:27 PM
I think a couple of you are confusing Barack Obama with Richard Daley.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:28 PM
True, but wouldn't you rather he fixed some of this shit, and learned how, prior to running the whole country?

In Chicago, the problems aren't going to be fixed anytime soon. Jesus Harold Christ could become mayor of Chicago/Cook County President and it would take him 25 years to fix the issues in Chicago and Cook County.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:29 PM
I think a couple of you are confusing Barack Obama with Richard Daley.

Nail, meet hammer. Thank you Frazod.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:33 PM
I think a couple of you are confusing Barack Obama with Richard Daley.

So what you are saying, is that he was unable to do his job in the Senate, even though he gave it, a good solid few months?

I say it again, he has accomplished NOTHING!! EVAR!!! But yet his own back yard is full of projects to accomplish.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:34 PM
In Chicago, the problems aren't going to be fixed anytime soon. Jesus Harold Christ could become mayor of Chicago/Cook County President and it would take him 25 years to fix the issues in Chicago and Cook County.

Great, just burn it down then, nothing can be done. Maybe raise taxes some more, that should do it.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Great, just burn it down then, nothing can be done. Maybe raise taxes some more, that should do it.

With the current local government that is in place, not much can be done by someone in the US Senate. I don't trust Daley and Stroger one bit with any funding that comes their way to fix the problems of Chicago.

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:38 PM
So what you are saying, is that he was unable to do his job in the Senate, even though he gave it, a good solid few months?

I say it again, he has accomplished NOTHING!! EVAR!!! But yet his own back yard is full of projects to accomplish.

I don't have a candlelit shrine to Obama in my closet, Ed. It's not like I'm jumping for joy at the prospect of him being president. I just think he's the lesser of two evils, and hope he'll do better than the chimp we've had in the White House for the past eight years.

triple
11-03-2008, 03:38 PM
so anyway, is this a start to lowering expectations?

i knew that would begin immediately following the election if he wins but i didn't expect it before the election

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2008, 03:40 PM
CHicago is the murder capital, nice spin.

*buzzer*

Wrong.

Chicago had 16 murders per 100,000 residents and rates 16th on the FBI's Uniform Crime Report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


They also have the most taxes

That's vague.

The most ____ taxes?

Sales? Income? Property?

and the highest amount of debt per capita.

Again, vague.

City debt?

Wrong again, that's New York City.

Personal debt?

Wrong. Chicago isn't even in the Top 10. Las Vegas tops the list.

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2008, 03:40 PM
I think a couple of you are confusing Barack Obama with Richard Daley.

This.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2008, 03:43 PM
In Chicago, the problems aren't going to be fixed anytime soon. Jesus Harold Christ could become mayor of Chicago/Cook County President and it would take him 25 years to fix the issues in Chicago and Cook County.The H. is clearly for Hussein, and until we see his REAL birth certificate I don't think he's eligible for office anyways.

Guru
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
Geez, Dude. I'm really sorry to hear that.

I disagree vehemently, but I'm sorry to hear that a member of American society feels that his vote is irrelevant.

I agree with him in the state of Kansas. Doesn't matter who we want for pres here. It will go republican 95% of the time. I have never felt like my vote meant shit here.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
The H. is clearly for Hussein, and until we see his REAL birth certificate I don't think he's eligible for office anyways.

I thought the H. was for Hoobastank

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
Chicago is fucked up as hell. Taxes are outrageous, and I mean completely outrageous.

But pinning that on Obama? Sorry, I don't see it.

triple
11-03-2008, 03:45 PM
I agree with him in the state of Kansas. Doesn't matter who we want for pres here. It will go republican 95% of the time. I have never felt like my vote meant shit here.

where I vote, there is one city that is blue, the rest of the state is red, and the state will probably go blue. feels like a waste of your time to fill in that box.

nychief
11-03-2008, 03:47 PM
Ultra peanut.... mouth breather. Hey do me a favor, try not getting your news from blogs. Read big boy newspapers.

Guru
11-03-2008, 03:48 PM
where I vote, there is one city that is blue, the rest of the state is red, and the state will probably go blue. feels like a waste of your time to fill in that box.I would love, just once, to be a swing state and actually feel like I could make a difference with my vote.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:48 PM
I don't have a candlelit shrine to Obama in my closet, Ed. It's not like I'm jumping for joy at the prospect of him being president. I just think he's the lesser of two evils, and hope he'll do better than the chimp we've had in the White House for the past eight years.

For the first time in my life, I am actually scared shitless at the prospect of someone becoming the President.

Quite honestly, the only reason this clown is going to win, is that he comes across better through visual media.

He is not qualified, period. He does not respect our Armed Forces capabilities, nor has he participated in defending this country. Quite the contrary, he has been associated with our detractors, including his wife.

When he compromises positions that our men have died for, and he will, it will be a very dark day in American History.

Mizzou_8541
11-03-2008, 03:48 PM
If Obama wins, what actions will Obama need to take in order to make him at least minimally successful in your opinion? Similarly what action will make him at least minimally a failure.

Also for the record, in your post, can you please note who you support in this election and in 2004.

Should be interesting.

In the first year....4 years? How far out are we talking?

I am supporting McCain.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:48 PM
Ultra peanut.... mouth breather. Hey do me a favor, try not getting your news from blogs. Read big boy newspapers.

Could we please hold Shitsprayer to that same standard?

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2008, 03:51 PM
Ultra peanut.... mouth breather. Hey do me a favor, try not getting your news from blogs. Read big boy newspapers.Whoosh?

triple
11-03-2008, 03:51 PM
For the first time in my life, I am actually scared shitless at the prospect of someone becoming the President.


i wasn't scared about gore or the prospect of kerry, but this time I really am scared. of two things:

i'm scared of the tax increases in the middle of a recession. i think things economically are going to get really bad if he gets his way on all this stuff.

i'm scared of him putting 2 more ginsburgs on the court and making this country a place no one is going to recognize

Guru
11-03-2008, 03:55 PM
i wasn't scared about gore or the prospect of kerry, but this time I really am scared. of two things:

i'm scared of the tax increases in the middle of a recession. i think things economically are going to get really bad if he gets his way on all this stuff.

i'm scared of him putting 2 more ginsburgs on the court and making this country a place no one is going to recognizeHe is going to pull a Bush 1. "No new taxes on the middle class." It's going to happen. Count on it.

Frazod
11-03-2008, 03:55 PM
For the first time in my life, I am actually scared shitless at the prospect of someone becoming the President.

Quite honestly, the only reason this clown is going to win, is that he comes across better through visual media.

He is not qualified, period. He does not respect our Armed Forces capabilities, nor has he participated in defending this country. Quite the contrary, he has been associated with our detractors, including his wife.

When he compromises positions that our men have died for, and he will, it will be a very dark day in American History.

He's going to win because the worst fucking president in both our lifetimes opened the door for him. Sort of like how Nixon's bullshit paved the way for Carter. I hope this works out better than that did.

I have always considered myself a republican. But these bible-thumping, war-mongering, economy-crushing cocksuckers who are masquerading as republicans are NOT republicans, and I will not support them with my vote or anything else. Perhaps if they get pisspounded tomorrow, so much strife will result that I'll get my party back. That would make me very happy.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:56 PM
i wasn't scared about gore or the prospect of kerry, but this time I really am scared. of two things:

i'm scared of the tax increases in the middle of a recession. i think things economically are going to get really bad if he gets his way on all this stuff.

i'm scared of him putting 2 more ginsburgs on the court and making this country a place no one is going to recognize

Agreed, Kerry was just a liar, but this guy, wow. I am not convinced his allegence is the to long term good of this country.

He can not do all the things he talks about without raising taxes, pretty simple.

Lets lay down all our arms, and lead by example. The rest of the world will follow, they are just misunderstood. Right?

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:56 PM
He is going to pull a Bush 1. "No new taxes on the middle class." It's going to happen. Count on it.

Absolutely.

It's going to happen because the country and its finances are in such a disarray.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 03:57 PM
I have always considered myself a republican. But these bible-thumping, war-mongering, economy-crushing cocksuckers who are masquerading as republicans are NOT republicans, and I will not support them with my vote or anything else. Perhaps if they get pisspounded tomorrow, so much strife will result that I'll get my party back. That would make me very happy.

I couldn't have said it better myself (though I would have added more expletives :D).

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2008, 03:58 PM
I have always considered myself a republican. But these bible-thumping, war-mongering, economy-crushing cocksuckers who are masquerading as republicans are NOT republicans, and I will not support them with my vote or anything else. Perhaps if they get pisspounded tomorrow, so much strife will result that I'll get my party back. That would make me very happy.

Great post, Tim.

Guru
11-03-2008, 03:59 PM
Absolutely.

It's going to happen because the country and its finances are in such a disarray. I just hope everyone pisspounds him when he does it. I am sick of him having a godlike status.

triple
11-03-2008, 03:59 PM
He is going to pull a Bush 1. "No new taxes on the middle class." It's going to happen. Count on it.

it doesn't matter what he does with income taxes if he just steals more money someplace else.

what people worry about is, will i still have a job after all his tax policy to punish business? am i going to be better off or worse off once all the taxation gets passed down to me the consumer? will his government giveaways benefit someone like me?

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 03:59 PM
He's going to win because the worst ****ing president in both our lifetimes opened the door for him. Sort of like how Nixon's bullshit paved the way for Carter. I hope this works out better than that did.

I have always considered myself a republican. But these bible-thumping, war-mongering, economy-crushing one who sucks the peniss who are masquerading as republicans are NOT republicans, and I will not support them with my vote or anything else. Perhaps if they get pisspounded tomorrow, so much strife will result that I'll get my party back. That would make me very happy.

I usually don't pay much attention to politics, due to most of it being lies and bullshit.

But if we add this clown, to an already ****ed up congress/senate , where are we headed?

Bush's approval rating is at an all time low, but congresses is much lower. So lets give them their President. That will show them!!

Swanman
11-03-2008, 04:00 PM
He's going to win because the worst ****ing president in both our lifetimes opened the door for him. Sort of like how Nixon's bullshit paved the way for Carter. I hope this works out better than that did.

I have always considered myself a republican. But these bible-thumping, war-mongering, economy-crushing one who sucks the peniss who are masquerading as republicans are NOT republicans, and I will not support them with my vote or anything else. Perhaps if they get pisspounded tomorrow, so much strife will result that I'll get my party back. That would make me very happy.

Both parties have gone WAY too far from the middle right now. There is a gaping maw right now where intelligent moderates used to reside, on both sides of the aisle. The Republicans will be forced to come toward the middle or become more irrelevant with each election cycle.

Guru
11-03-2008, 04:00 PM
it doesn't matter what he does with income taxes if he just steals more money someplace else.

what people worry about is, will i still have a job after all his tax policy to punish business? am i going to be better off or worse off once all the taxation gets passed down to me the consumer? will his government giveaways benefit someone like me?There won't be any government giveaways though.

triple
11-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Agreed, Kerry was just a liar, but this guy, wow. I am not convinced his allegence is the to long term good of this country.

He can not do all the things he talks about without raising taxes, pretty simple.

Lets lay down all our arms, and lead by example. The rest of the world will follow, they are just misunderstood. Right?

kerry would have been much better. he was just a politician loyal only to himself. I don't think he wanted to change this country in his own image like this.

Kerry didn't proudly proclaim he was going to march us toward socialism with redistribution, and complain that the Constitution is what is wrong with america. Kerry was just a wealthy eliteist. this is totally different.

triple
11-03-2008, 04:02 PM
There won't be any government giveaways though.

not for people like me, who go to work every day, and who didn't buy a house we couldn't afford, and continue to pay our mortgages

Swanman
11-03-2008, 04:02 PM
it doesn't matter what he does with income taxes if he just steals more money someplace else.

what people worry about is, will i still have a job after all his tax policy to punish business? am i going to be better off or worse off once all the taxation gets passed down to me the consumer? will his government giveaways benefit someone like me?

In a favorable tax environment, businesses did nothing but keep the wealth at the top and send jobs overseas. Now they have to pay the price for not "trickling down". We gave businesses a chance using supply-side economics (lower tax rates), and they fumbled the ball big-time.

Cannibal
11-03-2008, 04:04 PM
In a favorable tax environment, businesses did nothing but keep the wealth at the top and send jobs overseas. Now they have to pay the price for not "trickling down". We gave businesses a chance using supply-side economics (lower tax rates), and they fumbled the ball big-time.

You hit the nail on the head. The more money you give them, the more profit they get as a result. Wages have stagnated for the last 8 years, so it's not like they were passing out bigger salaries with all that profit in an effort to let the money "trickle down".

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 04:04 PM
kerry would have been much better. he was just a politician loyal only to himself. I don't think he wanted to change this country in his own image like this.

Kerry didn't proudly proclaim he was going to march us toward socialism with redistribution, and complain that the Constitution is what is wrong with america. Kerry was just a wealthy eliteist. this is totally different.

well said.

ClevelandBronco
11-03-2008, 04:05 PM
In a favorable tax environment, businesses did nothing but keep the wealth at the top and send jobs overseas. Now they have to pay the price for not "trickling down". We gave businesses a chance using supply-side economics (lower tax rates), and they fumbled the ball big-time.

Where did you get the perverse idea that businesses owe jobs to Americans?

triple
11-03-2008, 04:05 PM
In a favorable tax environment, businesses did nothing but keep the wealth at the top and send jobs overseas. Now they have to pay the price for not "trickling down". We gave businesses a chance using supply-side economics (lower tax rates), and they fumbled the ball big-time.

How is it you think taxing them more is going to create jobs?

Guru
11-03-2008, 04:06 PM
Both parties have gone WAY too far from the middle right now. There is a gaping maw right now where intelligent moderates used to reside, on both sides of the aisle. The Republicans will be forced to come toward the middle or become more irrelevant with each election cycle.Both sides need to come to the friggin middle. This shit is ridiculous.

Guru
11-03-2008, 04:07 PM
not for people like me, who go to work every day, and who didn't buy a house we couldn't afford, and continue to pay our mortgagesThe responsible ones are always the ones treated like complete shit because we don't make the rich richer.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 04:08 PM
How is it you think taxing them more is going to create jobs?

My point is they are going to do the same thing regardless. They were punishing the American employees, and they will continue to punish them regardless of taxes. My point is, they were handed all kinds of tax benefits and they did nothing to help the American worker.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 04:11 PM
In a favorable tax environment, businesses did nothing but keep the wealth at the top and send jobs overseas. Now they have to pay the price for not "trickling down". We gave businesses a chance using supply-side economics (lower tax rates), and they fumbled the ball big-time.

Nice. Please don't lump all business into that catagory, that was mostly large corporations such as Motorola.
When in fact, the core of our business structure in this country is "small business." From what I have seen of our current govenor's and Hussein's plan, is to punish small business, not cultivate it.
Our company, is fighting tooth and nail to compete with China, Korea, Viet Nam etc. and we have received two min wage increases in the last year.
We were also given a $50,000. one time tax with virtually no warning last year.
We are not far from calling it quits, along with many others.
Then who are they going to tax?

triple
11-03-2008, 04:11 PM
My point is they are going to do the same thing regardless. They were punishing the American employees, and they will continue to punish them regardless of taxes. My point is, they were handed all kinds of tax benefits and they did nothing to help the American worker.

We'll have to see what happens if Obama comes through on his promises to continue making the business environment more hostile within our borders, and how that affects the number of jobs being shipped overseas.

KILLER_CLOWN
11-03-2008, 04:14 PM
Man are you going to be disappointed because he can't or won't do any of that. Yep, you heard it here first were not leaving Iraq completely.

Ummmm, exactly my point? I guess i would be ok with a do nothing president.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2008, 04:21 PM
I usually don't pay much attention to politics, due to most of it being lies and bullshit. And yet here you are, gulping up lies and bullshit like they're candy.

Guru
11-03-2008, 04:22 PM
And yet here you are, gulping up lies and bullshit like they're candy.Pretty much applies to everyone on this board.

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2008, 04:23 PM
And yet here you are, gulping up lies and bullshit like they're candy.

ROFL

kstater
11-03-2008, 04:36 PM
He'll have to kick a puppy. Until he kicks a puppy, I cannot support him.

Mr. Laz
11-03-2008, 04:37 PM
the republicans will NEVER support him no matter what happens.

if things turn around it will be because of "bush setting the table" if things go bad it will be because "Obama screwed up"



neocons have no values,no integrity, no sense of right or wrong when it comes to politics

Mr Luzcious
11-03-2008, 04:44 PM
So.. what exactly does "supporting" him mean? Send him money? Put a sticker on your car like the people who "support" the troops?

Calcountry
11-03-2008, 04:50 PM
If Obama wins, what actions will Obama need to take in order to make him at least minimally successful in your opinion? Similarly what action will make him at least minimally a failure.

Also for the record, in your post, can you please note who you support in this election and in 2004.

Should be interesting.When he is sworn in, if the Justice proclaims his name as, Barack Hussein Obama, after it was considered a travesty to utter it during the campaign, then I am done supporting him from that time forward. I can't abide such a lying hypocrit.

Guru
11-03-2008, 04:50 PM
the republicans will NEVER support him no matter what happens.

if things turn around it will be because of "bush setting the table" if things go bad it will be because "Obama screwed up"



neocons have no values,no integrity, no sense of right or wrong when it comes to politicsUmm, it will be the same for the dems. Don't kid yourself. If obama is a failure, it will be one more thing they will blame Bush for.

Calcountry
11-03-2008, 04:51 PM
Bill Clinton didn't. As long as thetre are Rush, Hannity, and Savage, no Dem QB will get a "honeymoon."You can be assured that BO will make silencing them job 1 of his administration. So much for free speech

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 04:52 PM
Pretty much applies to everyone on this board.

No. It doesn't.

You are so wrapped up in hitting the "I don't like either of these candidates" and "everyone does it" buttons you created on your keyboard to post in DC these past few months to see different degrees of misinformation.

Some people do it A LOT more than others...and only do that. You can't equate that with everyone else.

jAZ
11-03-2008, 04:52 PM
When he is sworn in, if the Justice proclaims his name as, Barack Hussein Obama, after it was considered a travesty to utter it during the campaign, then I am done supporting him from that time forward. I can't abide such a lying hypocrit.

Yeah, because the motivation of the speaker is irrelevant.

:rolleyes:

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 04:52 PM
You can be assured that BO will make silencing them job 1 of his administration. So much for free speech

And how would he do that exactly?

Adept Havelock
11-03-2008, 04:57 PM
And how would he do that exactly?

I keep asking how he's going to get around the SC decision that struck down the Fairness Doctrine in the 80's, and I'm yet to get a response.

It's pretty simple, they won't. It's like the Abortion issue for the right. Pelosi and CO. are making noise about the Fairness doctrine to fire up the base, but nothing will be done about it.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 04:59 PM
And how would he do that exactly?

It has happened before. Nixon did it, he punished Mass for voting for McGovern. It was the only state he carried.
He shut down the Boston Naval shipyard, pulled troops and transferred them to Norfolk, Va. Just one example.
Rhode Island got some fo the same treatment for barely going Nixon. Those economic blows were tremendous at that time.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:04 PM
It has happened before. Nixon did it, he punished Mass for voting for McGovern. It was the only state he carried.
He shut down the Boston Naval shipyard, pulled troops and transferred them to Norfolk, Va. Just one example.
Rhode Island got some fo the same treatment for barely going Nixon. Those economic blows were tremendous at that time.

Ok, that has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the post I was referencing...

How would he go about silencing the media personalities bunny listed?

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:05 PM
No. It doesn't.

You are so wrapped up in hitting the "I don't like either of these candidates" and "everyone does it" buttons you created on your keyboard to post in DC these past few months to see different degrees of misinformation.

Some people do it A LOT more than others...and only do that. You can't equate that with everyone else.ROFL

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 05:09 PM
And yet here you are, gulping up lies and bullshit like they're candy.

ROFL

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:11 PM
ROFL

Great take.

It is no biggie really. No candidate stepped up and spoke to you even though you wanted McCain to be the guy. So all you have done here is go on and on and on only talking about how bad both these candidates where.

Thats been a very common whine amongst voters who wanted to like McCain but couldn't.

There are a lot of people who feel there is one good candidate out there. And they are going to go out and vote for him.

The misinformation spread on this board has NOT equal amongst the two sides. Yes, it has happened on both sides but to pretend there has been the equivalent of Shyt+Bootlegger+Sportsshrink+Valipass+BD's Craziness?

Not so.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 05:12 PM
Ok, that has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the post I was referencing...

How would he go about silencing the media personalities bunny listed?

You don't see the corolation? The powers are endless, just take the IRS for example. How about getting audited every year? There are many ways.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:13 PM
You don't see the corolation? The powers are endless, just take the IRS for example. How about getting audited every year? There are many ways.

Can someone please tell me how exactly Obama would go about silencing these national media personalities.

Somehow I think getting audited won't quite do the trick.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:14 PM
This has been a fun game all along. People have to sit around and dream up things Obama will do and then blame them for it happening when it hasn't.

Creativity. I did it...this stuff isn't rooted in reality but it is fun to talk about.

Demonpenz
11-03-2008, 05:16 PM
obama might find wmd's

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:17 PM
Great take.

It is no biggie really. No candidate stepped up and spoke to you even though you wanted McCain to be the guy. So all you have done here is go on and on and on only talking about how bad both these candidates where.

Thats been a very common whine amongst voters who wanted to like McCain but couldn't.

There are a lot of people who feel there is one good candidate out there. And they are going to go out and vote for him.

The misinformation spread on this board has NOT equal amongst the two sides. Yes, it has happened on both sides but to pretend there has been the equivalent of Shyt+Bootlegger+Sportsshrink+Valipass+BD's Craziness?

Not so. You go ahead and believe the crap that Obama throws your way. Change just to change is not always change for the better.

I am not saying that the posters you mentioned are not guilty of misinformation. they are. I consider Obama pretty guilty of it as well. A lot of the dem supporters on the board do nothing but regurgitate crap as well.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:20 PM
You go ahead and believe the crap that Obama throws your way. Change just to change is not always change for the better.

I am not saying that the posters you mentioned are not guilty of misinformation. they are. I consider Obama pretty guilty of it as well. A lot of the dem supporters on the board do nothing but regurgitate crap as well.

Fine...tell me who on the other side matches up with those posters in style on this board. Specifics. Sit and think about threads those posters have made before you post...

This should be good.

HemiEd
11-03-2008, 05:21 PM
Can someone please tell me how exactly Obama would go about silencing these national media personalities.

Somehow I think getting audited won't quite do the trick.
Really? Sorry for wasting our time.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Really?

Yes. Really.

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:24 PM
Fine...tell me who on the other side matches up with those posters in style on this board. Specifics. Sit and think about threads those posters have made before you post...

This should be good.That would be a complete waste of my time because you will support them irregardless of what I say.

There are quite a few tools on both sides and I tend to AVOID their threads rather than participate in their dumbassery.

wazu
11-03-2008, 05:26 PM
All I ask of Obama is that he veto any budget that isn't balanced, drastically push for spending cuts across the board, and put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. And do absolutely nothing else.

If he sticks to that agenda, I'll vote for his re-election in 2012 over just about anybody.

Bootlegged
11-03-2008, 05:26 PM
Great take.

It is no biggie really. No candidate stepped up and spoke to you even though you wanted McCain to be the guy. So all you have done here is go on and on and on only talking about how bad both these candidates where.

Thats been a very common whine amongst voters who wanted to like McCain but couldn't.

There are a lot of people who feel there is one good candidate out there. And they are going to go out and vote for him.

The misinformation spread on this board has NOT equal amongst the two sides. Yes, it has happened on both sides but to pretend there has been the equivalent of Shyt+Bootlegger+Sportsshrink+Valipass+BD's Craziness?

Not so.


Are you still pretending you aren't gay?

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:27 PM
That would be a complete waste of my time because you will support them irregardless of what I say.

There are quite a few tools on both sides and I tend to AVOID their threads rather than participate in their dumbassery.

It would be a waste of team because you wouldn't be able to pull it off.

I just think it is funny you are pulling away from this. It has pretty much been the ONLY thing you have posted on this section of the board for months...

Blah blah...they are both bad candidates.

Blah blah...both sides do it.

You actually had the chance to back up one of your golden nuggets of wisdom and didn't\couldn't.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:27 PM
Are you still pretending you aren't gay?

Enjoy the 4th.

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:28 PM
It would be a waste of team because you wouldn't be able to pull it off.

I just think it is funny you are pulling away from this. It has pretty much been the ONLY thing you have posted on this section of the board for months...

Blah blah...they are both bad candidates.

Blah blah...both sides do it.

You actually had the chance to back up one of your golden nuggets of wisdom and didn't\couldn't.Whatever. Have fun in your mistake. Certain battles aren't worth fighting.:rolleyes:

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:30 PM
Whatever.

Be sure to drop me a PM or something when you want to actually discuss things.

You go from "why aren't people listening to my posts..wahhhh" to "whatever"

Just no way to win with the Guru.

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:33 PM
Be sure to drop me a PM or something when you want to actually discuss things.

You go from "why aren't people listening to my posts..wahhhh" to "whatever"

Just no way to win with the Guru.If I didn't feel like I was going to get bashed right and left I would. That is impossible on this board. Basically, if I don't like Obama the respect meter seems to be ZERO. Screw arguing with that concept. Might as well return the favor at this point.

|Zach|
11-03-2008, 05:38 PM
If I didn't feel like I was going to get bashed right and left I would. That is impossible on this board. Basically, if I don't like Obama the respect meter seems to be ZERO. Screw arguing with that concept. Might as well return the favor at this point.

You don't have to like Obama...the respect factor doesn't go to zero with me personally.

I just was sick and tired of reading your middle of the road both sides do it crap. The idea that the hate thrown from the right could even begin to compare with the other side was what was laughable.

I did enjoy the jilted McCain support shuffle that I have seen on this board, other boards and real life. "Both candidates are crap"

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 05:40 PM
If I didn't feel like I was going to get bashed right and left I would. That is impossible on this board. Basically, if I don't like Obama the respect meter seems to be ZERO. Screw arguing with that concept. Might as well return the favor at this point.

I don't know about this board but we've had this discussion on fatchatter and truthfully I don't see how you've waivered from now to then.

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:52 PM
You don't have to like Obama...the respect factor doesn't go to zero with me personally.

I just was sick and tired of reading your middle of the road both sides do it crap. The idea that the hate thrown from the right could even begin to compare with the other side was what was laughable.

I did enjoy the jilted McCain support shuffle that I have seen on this board, other boards and real life. "Both candidates are crap" Both sides do do it though. Both sides lie to get what they want. They trust in the gullibility of Americans every chance they get. There is no such thing as an honest politician. There are times I question why I even care about elections. Today is one of those days. It hit me that no matter who I vote for it won't matter.

It is depressing to see how gullible America has become.

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:53 PM
I don't know about this board but we've had this discussion on fatchatter and truthfully I don't see how you've waivered from now to then.Guess I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Guess I don't quite understand what you mean by that.



I'm saying as long as we've talked politics you haven't liked either candidate. That being said we still got a bet, right?

Guru
11-03-2008, 05:56 PM
I'm saying as long as we've talked politics you haven't liked either candidate. That being said we still got a bet, right?I tricked you into that. I never actually agreed to change my name.

I was never going to hold you to it anyway.:D

J Diddy
11-03-2008, 05:57 PM
I tricked you into that. I never actually agreed to change my name.

I was never going to hold you to it anyway.:D


fugger

Guru
11-03-2008, 06:00 PM
fugger:D:)

I like you too much to do something so vile to your name.

Baby Lee
11-03-2008, 06:07 PM
The idea that the hate thrown from the right could even begin to compare with the other side was what was laughable.
Are you talking about just this board, or in general?
I honestly do see both points you an Guru are making.
Thing is one man's bigot is another man's blowhard.
One man's hate-filled diatribe is another man's grousing.
The difference is if someone if being an asshole to someone with whom you disagree, there's an inclination to say "that guy's being an asshole" and let it drop at that.
But if someone is being an asshole to someone with whom you agree or against things you hold sacred, it personalizes it "that guy's being an asshole TO ME, to things I HOLD DEAR."
I'll admit it, when some people on here are assholes in a thread, I just stop reading, he's being an asshole and his asshole behavior bores me [Cough omCashtay]. And often in those cases, it's not even something I could shed light on, at least not beyond what others are doing with more eloquence and passion than I already. Occasionally, there are points where I think I can add to the discussion and I do.

But there are people on both sides, and the 'left' might not be as biting in their bigotry or incendiary in their choice of words, but you know there is real hate [or at the least genuine disdain] underlying their thoughts. Who ascribe lack of intelligence or dark motives to those with whom they disagree.

There are people, not as many here it would seem as in the real world, for whom support of conservatism means they want nothing to do with you. It causes them real anger and upset that someone would have an SUV, or drive to the store for only a jug of milk, or would vote on a pro-life platform, or would be sanguine about civil liberties, who take 'if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem' to heart.

HonestChieffan
11-03-2008, 06:58 PM
resign and admit he is what we all know to be true, move to africa with his half brothercousin uncle and live in a mud hut.

Swanman
11-03-2008, 07:08 PM
resign and admit he is what we all know to be true, move to africa with his half brothercousin uncle and live in a mud hut.

Thank you for that insight, Least Common Denominator Man

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 07:50 PM
All I ask of Obama is that he veto any budget that isn't balanced, drastically push for spending cuts across the board, and put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. And do absolutely nothing else.

If he sticks to that agenda, I'll vote for his re-election in 2012 over just about anybody.

Me too. On the record.

KCJ
:arrow:

patteeu
11-03-2008, 08:09 PM
He'll get no honeymoon from me. I don't think it's possible for him to win me over unless he really shafts you and the rest of his faithful flock.

Mr Luzcious
11-03-2008, 08:32 PM
Another question, why should any president get unconditional support? I'll support the policies I agree with, and I won't support the policies I don't agree with.

KCJohnny
11-03-2008, 08:36 PM
Another question, why should any president get unconditional support? I'll support the policies I agree with, and I won't support the policies I don't agree with.

Well, as Joe Biden said, when the country sees what the One is doing to handle the international crisis that will certainly confront us in the first 6 months, people will question the course of action taken by the Socialist Republic of America. Then as Biden says, "we're really gonna need your support".

So, a dem POTUS, a dem Senate, a dem House, and a zombie-like MSM all rubber-stamping the socialist agenda of an Obama administration, and their will still be a critical need for the people's help???? Oh, that's Biden-speak for "patriotic" - they'll need more of Joe the Plumber's nest egg.

Got it.

Dallas Chief
11-03-2008, 08:45 PM
All I ask of Obama is that he veto any budget that isn't balanced, drastically push for spending cuts across the board, and put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. And do absolutely nothing else.

If he sticks to that agenda, I'll vote for his re-election in 2012 over just about anybody.

Great take Adam! :clap:

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 09:12 PM
You can be assured that BO will make silencing them job 1 of his administration. So much for free speech

Please explain.

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 09:12 PM
Are you still pretending you aren't gay?

Wow, you're an asshole.

Nice work. :rolleyes:

donkhater
11-03-2008, 09:48 PM
the republicans will NEVER support him no matter what happens.

if things turn around it will be because of "bush setting the table" if things go bad it will be because "Obama screwed up"



neocons have no values,no integrity, no sense of right or wrong when it comes to politics

And yet, the current finacial crisis had nothing to do with any legislation Democrats have enacted in the last 20 years. Right?

I'm not sure how you can think that Democrats are above using questionable tactics and claim you are knowledgable about the current politcal landscape.

alanm
11-03-2008, 10:23 PM
He'll get no honeymoon from me. I don't think it's possible for him to win me over unless he really shafts you and the rest of his faithful flock.And we can all sing his praises standing in line at the soup kitchen. :)

Velvet_Jones
11-03-2008, 10:27 PM
None - jIZ has been bagging on bush for 8 years. "Chickens coming home to roost" - so to speak. Quote from reverend Write - mispelled for the spelling Nazi Banyon.

2bikemike
11-03-2008, 10:45 PM
He'll get no honeymoon from me. I don't think it's possible for him to win me over unless he really shafts you and the rest of his faithful flock.


I was going to try and post something witty and list a few things that would win me over. Then I read this post and said Yeah that about sums it up!

DaneMcCloud
11-03-2008, 11:35 PM
He'll get no honeymoon from me. I don't think it's possible for him to win me over unless he really shafts you and the rest of his faithful flock.

So, your hope isn't that Obama moves the country forward and out of this epic financial crisis, but that he screws everyone over?

Maybe I've misjudged you.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:22 AM
So, your hope isn't that Obama moves the country forward and out of this epic financial crisis, but that he screws everyone over?

Maybe I've misjudged you.

Seems to me that patteeu's "hope" (classic Obamaspeak from your keyboard to his lips) is that Sen. Obama realizes that he can't deliver on the majority of his promises without bankrupting the taxpayers for generations to come. He'll have to play the game out from a more "Republican" mindset if he wants to move the country "forward" (as you put it).

If Sen. Obama comes to his senses, he won't be screwing over everyone. He'll only be screwing over the people who voted for him.

But patteeu is better able to explain his position. He's more intelligent and insightful than I am, IMO.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 12:25 AM
Seems to me that patteeu's "hope" (classic Obamaspeak from your keyboard to his lips) is that Sen. Obama realizes that he can't deliver on the majority of his promises without bankrupting the taxpayers for generations to come. He'll have to play the game out from a more "Republican" mindset if he wants to move the country "forward" (as you put it).

If Sen. Obama comes to his senses, he won't be screwing over everyone. He'll only be screwing over the people who voted for him.

But patteeu is better able to explain his position. He's more intelligent and insightful than I am, IMO.

With all due respect, I'm anxiously awaiting his response. It seems out of character for him and surprisingly angry and bitter.

I've always appreciated his insight but would have never guessed that he would wish ill-will amongst his fellow Americans.

Hopefully, I've misinterpreted his response.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:35 AM
With all due respect, I'm anxiously awaiting his response. It seems out of character for him and surprisingly angry and bitter.

I've always appreciated his insight but would have never guessed that he would wish ill-will amongst his fellow Americans.

Hopefully, I've misinterpreted his response.

I didn't hear him saying that he wished any ill will on us, but perhaps my ear isn't a keen as yours in this case.

From everything that I've read from patteeu, I'd expect him to want nothing but the best for these United States and her citizens.

patteeu
11-04-2008, 05:12 AM
So, your hope isn't that Obama moves the country forward and out of this epic financial crisis, but that he screws everyone over?

Maybe I've misjudged you.

Yes you have, if that's what you think I was saying.

Maybe I need to amend my previous post by saying that he doesn't need to shaft the segment of his faithful flock who has been suckered by his moderate sounding rhetoric into thinking he's some kind of post-partisan, post-racial messiah (although he will be shafting those people). The ones he needs to shaft to get my support are the members of his core constituency who are hoping for a socialist revolution and a US that is diminished in terms of it's military power.

I expect that the next President, whoever he is, will move us forward and out of the financial crisis in one form or fashion. I'm interested in the form or fashion and how they impact the long run prospects of the country.

GW Bush created a prescription drug entitlement for old folks. If the immediate results are all that concerned me, I'd have to applaud the way he made things easier for many elderly folks to get the drugs they need to improve their quality of life. But did it really make any sense to pile another entitlement on top of the ones that are already headed for crisis? Not in my opinion. The best that can be said about Bush's prescription drug program is that it wasn't as bad as what the democrats wanted to do, but that faint praise isn't enough to make it a positive thing in my view.

patteeu
11-04-2008, 05:14 AM
Seems to me that patteeu's "hope" (classic Obamaspeak from your keyboard to his lips) is that Sen. Obama realizes that he can't deliver on the majority of his promises without bankrupting the taxpayers for generations to come. He'll have to play the game out from a more "Republican" mindset if he wants to move the country "forward" (as you put it).

If Sen. Obama comes to his senses, he won't be screwing over everyone. He'll only be screwing over the people who voted for him.

But patteeu is better able to explain his position. He's more intelligent and insightful than I am, IMO.

I agree with your first two paragraphs, but that third one is ridiculous.

KCJohnny
11-04-2008, 06:07 AM
Yes you have, if that's what you think I was saying.

Maybe I need to amend my previous post by saying that he doesn't need to shaft the segment of his faithful flock who has been suckered by his moderate sounding rhetoric into thinking he's some kind of post-partisan, post-racial messiah (although he will be shafting those people). The ones he needs to shaft to get my support are the members of his core constituency who are hoping for a socialist revolution and a US that is diminished in terms of it's military power.

I expect that the next President, whoever he is, will move us forward and out of the financial crisis in one form or fashion. I'm interested in the form or fashion and how they impact the long run prospects of the country.

GW Bush created a prescription drug entitlement for old folks. If the immediate results are all that concerned me, I'd have to applaud the way he made things easier for many elderly folks to get the drugs they need to improve their quality of life. But did it really make any sense to pile another entitlement on top of the ones that are already headed for crisis? Not in my opinion. The best that can be said about Bush's prescription drug program is that it wasn't as bad as what the democrats wanted to do, but that faint praise isn't enough to make it a positive thing in my view.

To be fair pat, GWB tried to tackle one of those mandatory spending sacred cows (social security) and was mercilessly pummelled by both flanks, right and left. He tried to tackle immigration reform with the same result. That tells me on the very tough issues, there might not be a 'radical center'. Perhaps demigoguery, false voter registration/fraud, undeclared donors, and media suck up is the only way to load up one party with the WH, senate and House in order to ramrod through legislation on the 'big issues'. Problem is, that only works for one party.