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Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 11:25 PM
here are some Obama issues still on the table that show poor judgement and questions still unanswered. Amazing how the mainstream liberal media can immediately tear into Joe and Sarah but absolutely refuse to seriously investigate these issues of Obama looking the other way. If Obama wins, this will be the first press elected president in our history. If these issues below were on McCain's plate Romney or Huckabee would be our candidate bottom line.:shake:


What you don't know about Barack Obama
Black liberation theology, birthplace, religion still remain question marks

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Posted: November 03, 2008
11:18 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Obama and top fundraiser Tony Rezko, a business partner and close friend of Auchi

NEW YORK – Birthplace, religion, black liberation theology, passport, Pakistan, school expenses and records, house deal, friends, mentors and clients.

These are among the questions that despite months of campaigning for the presidency of the United States, thousands of hours in front of reporters and cameras, and hundreds of members of a massive campaign staff, the public still doesn't have fully answered about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Just four years ago, Obama essentially was an unknown state legislator who with the help of the Chicago political system took over a seat in the U.S. Senate. He stated then he was unqualified for national office, but within about two years launched his bid for the White House, knocking off one of the powerhouses of Democratic politics, Sen. Hillary Clinton, in the primaries.

The questions, then, abound as he's proposed giving the United Nations hundreds of billions of dollars, promised 95 percent of Americans a tax cut and pledged to pursue environmental campaigns even if coal companies go bankrupt because of that.



He's also stated the U.S. Supreme Court should have stepped beyond the Constitution and ventured into plans for wealth redistribution, he's told a plumber his goal is just to "spread the wealth," and his wife has said people will need to give up their piece of the pie so that others can have more.

All without answers to key questions.

Among those issues remaining to be explained fully are his acquaintances in his Chicago political career, who include:

Antoin "Tony" Rezko, an associate of Arab-Syrian descent who was a campaign fundraiser for Obama. Obama returned an estimated $225,000 in Rezko-generated campaign contributions since Obama first ran for Illinois state senate in 1995 but Rezko also assisted when Obama bought a $4 million dream property in Hyde Park. Currently Rezko's a convicted federal felon.


Professor Edward Said, a Muslim professor at the University of Chicago who was strongly pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. He promoted Barack and Michelle Obama in the Chicago Arab community. He's deceased.


Rashid Khalidi, a Muslim professor at the University of Chicago and Columbia who was funded by the Woods Fund grants approved by Obama and unrepentant terrorist William Ayers. Khalidi founded the Arab-American Action Network and is the author of several strongly pro-Paliestinian, anti-Israel books.


Ali Abunimah, a Palestian-American Muslim journalist who promoted Obama in his writings and was editor of "The Electronic Intifada" of the Arab American Action Network. He claims Obama has modified his pro-Palestinian position.


Nadhmi Auchi, a Muslim Iraqi billionaire who is the cousin of Saddam Hussein. He wired more than $3 million as a "loan" to Mrs. Rezko when the Obamas purchased their dream property. He's the largest private shareholder of Bank BPH in Paris and was the reputed bagman for Saddam Huseein in the "oil for fuel" United Nations scandal. He was fined $3 million and given a 15-month prison term in France for his involvement in $100 million in illegal commissions in a scandal involving French oil giant Elf Aquitane.


Aihm Alsammarae, a Muslim Iraqi who is the former Iraqi minister of electricity. He contributed $2,500 to the Obama 2008 campaign and is a close friend of Rezko. He ran a scheme to corner the Iraqi cellular phone market and was sprung from an Iraqi prison in 2006 by a mysterious group of masked and heavily armed men who broke him out of prison. He fled to Chicago.


Jabir Herert Huhammad, son of Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad, now deceased. Federal prosecutors alleged that Huhammad participated with Abdelhamid Chaib and Rezko in a scheme to use money borrowed from Mutual Bank of Harvey for allegedly fraudulent real estate deals. The bank is owned by Amrish Mahajan, an Indian and CEO of the bank, which lent $3.4 million to Rezko.


Abdelhamid "Ali" Chaib, a Muslim who is a long-time Rezko associate who ran Crucial Concessions Food Business set up by Jabir Muhammad, and allegedly was involved in a $1.32 million partner scheme to securitize loans, in part to assist Jabir Herert Huhammad purchase a pizza franchise that questionably added to the Rezko-Jabir Muhammad food concessions business. Obama returned to Chaib in 2004 a $5,000 campaign contribution made in 2003 to Obama's 2004 U.S. Senate campaign after Chaib's indictment in the alleged Crucial Concessions Food fraud scheme was announced.


Davis Miner Branhill & Galland. This was the law firm for which Obama worked starting in 1993. While here he represented "Rezmar," a community development firm owned by Tony Rezko and Dan Mahru that bilked low-income community housing projects that borrowed billions for property developments allegedly made fraudently. Eleven of the 30 alleged failed Rezmar properties were in Obama's state senate district.
Then also there are the influences on Obama's career, from the one-time writer of a sex novel, Frank Marshall Davis, to unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, with whom Obama served on boards.

This is significant since voters have only a few years of Obama's U.S. Senate record on which to judge him, and while a state legislator he voted dozens of times "present" in moves that would not reveal support for or opposition to an issue or position.

Among the subjects of those questions are:

Frank Marshall Davis, a communist poet and journalist from Chicago who moved to Hawaii. He ghost-wrote a pornographic novel titled "Sexual Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet)." He also sold drugs from a Chicago-style hot dog stand while Obama and Obama's grandfather were present, according to allegations made by WND private investigator hired in Hawaii. According to Obama's autobiography, "Dreams from My Father," Davis was a close confident to Obama, influencing Obama's ideas on radical racial relations. He is deceased.


Malcom X, Stokely Carmichael and Frantz Fanon were three radical, anti-white black rage authors Obama tells readers influenced him as a youth. Black-rage attitudes developed by reading these authors influenced both Obama's decision to become a radical community organizer in Chicago and to join Rev. Jeremiah Wright's black liberation theology Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.


Saul Alinksy. Obama's first job in Chicago was to head the Alinsky-influenced Developing Community Project, Inc. Obama also participated in teaching Alinsky-methods of radical income redistribution in classroom settings. Obama's current policies of "distributing wealth" stem from anti-capitalist attitudes developed in studying Alinsky's radical works, such as his seminal book entitled "Rules for Radicals."


Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Pastor for 20 years while Obama was a practicing member of black liberation theology at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama heard anti-white, black-rage theology from Wright. First indication Obama was Christian was when he was baptized in his 30s as a member of United Church of Christ. Obama separated from congregation at Trinity United Church of Christ after Rev. Wright came under criticism, although Obama has yet to reject black liberation theology.


William Ayers and Bernardine Dorhn. Members of the SDS-affiliated radical Weather Underground in the 1960s and 1970s. Obama began his political career at Ayers' home in 1995 when running for the Illinois state senate. Obama served with Ayers on two Chicago foundations, the Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund, giving millions in grants to radicalized programs in Chicago's schools. Obama now claims to disavow Ayers' radical politicals.


Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga. He's a Luo tribesman affiliated with Obama's father when Odinga's communist father was Kenya's first vice president after Kenyan independence and Obama's father was a Harvard-educated economist working in the Jomo Kenyatta government. Obama campaigned openly for Odinga for president in 2006 when Obama was in Kenya on a U.S. Senate "fact-finding" mission. Kenya's president Kibaki asked Obama to stop interfering with Kenyan presidential politics. Obama raised an alleged $1 million for Odinga to run for president in Kenya in Dec. 2007, adding to the $1 million raised for Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign by Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. When Odinga lost the Dec. 2007 presidential election by approximately 233,000 votes, Odinga called for protests which led his Luo tribesmen to murder approximately 1,000 Kikuyu tribesman, displace another 350,000 Kikuyu tribesmen, and destroy 800 churches, while not a single mosque was destroyed. Obama helped negotiate a settlement in which Odinga was appointed co-head-of-state and appointed prime minister to end the violence, even after it became publicly disclosed Odinga signed a letter of understanding with radical Muslims in Kenya in return for their votes.
Finally, these are the top questions about Obama that remain unanswered:

Why won’t Obama allow the public to see the doctor-generated, hospital releseased birth certificate?


Was Obama born in Kenya or Hawaii, as his campaign continues to maintain?


Was Obama officially adopted by his Muslim stepfather when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and stepfather, from the ages of approximately 6 to 10 years old?


Did Obama ever renounce his U.S. passport? Has Obama ever traveled internationally on a passport other than a U.S. State Department-issued passport?


Did Obama travel to Pakistan as a student on a U.S. passport, or on an Indonesian passport? Why did Obama travel to Pakistan, who did he visit there and what was the purpose of the trip?


How did Obama pay his tuition at the exclusive high school preparatory Punahou Academy he attended in Hawaii, as well as his college tuition at Occidental in California and at Columbia at New York?


How did Obama pay his tuition at Harvard Law School?


Why will Obama release none of the school records at any of the schools he attended?


Obama’s school records in Indonesia show that at both the Catholic and public school he attended there he was registered as a “Muslim” and an “Indonesian Citizen.” Was Obama ever officially instructed in Islam, even in elementary school?


Why has Obama refused to discuss the clients he served when he worked for the law firm of Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland in Chicago?


Was Obama ever compensated by Tony Rezko on the millions Rezko borrowed to redevelop the low-income housing projects in Chicago that Rezko evidently defrauded of the improvements contracted by Obama's firm to be made in the low-income projects involved?


Has Obama’s campaign instituted sufficient fiscal controls to determine if any credit card contributions made to his 2008 presidential campaign have come illegally from foreign sources? Have any such foreign contributions been reported to Federal Election Commission authorities and returned, as required by federal law?


Has Obama ever renounced Black Liberation Theology as espoused by chief Black Liberation Theologist Dr. James Cone?


Has Obama ever renounced Islam?


Why have the detailed minutes and funding activities of the Woods Fund and the Annenberg Challenge documents in which William Ayers and Barack Obama participated never been completely released to the public?
While no campaign probably ever will put to rest every question voters may have, these are significant in that the next occupant of the White House will be making decisions on the security of the nation and the life and death issues of society, decisions that in all likelihood will be influenced by the beliefs and positions of the president.

StcChief
11-03-2008, 11:28 PM
well just have to character in action.... this may be far from over.

Mecca
11-03-2008, 11:30 PM
People who are undecided right now are people who aren't voting they just don't want to tell a pollster that.

Also this entire thing is retarded but it's right in line with the other shit you posted so hey.

Chiefshrink
11-03-2008, 11:38 PM
well just have to character in action.... this may be far from over.

I really agree with you this is far from over.:thumb:

ROYC75
11-03-2008, 11:45 PM
Obama can win the presidency with know associations like this but couldn't get a job as a CIA agent or an FBI agent, he couldn't pass the security qualifications.

We live in a great country, but we get this stuff ? Can you say, another loop hole in our system.

Mecca
11-03-2008, 11:45 PM
Roy...you worry me with your intellect.

irishjayhawk
11-03-2008, 11:46 PM
Obama can win the presidency with know associations like this but couldn't get a job as a CIA agent or an FBI agent, he couldn't pass the security qualifications.

We live in a great country, but we get this stuff ? Can you say, another loop hole in our system.

Yes, a loophole in our education system. One that you fell through.

Reaper16
11-03-2008, 11:47 PM
The only difference between Jerome Corsi and SHTSPRAYER is a book deal.

Jenson71
11-03-2008, 11:48 PM
Obama can win the presidency with know associations like this but couldn't get a job as a CIA agent or an FBI agent, he couldn't pass the security qualifications.

We live in a great country, but we get this stuff ? Can you say, another loop hole in our system.

People have been saying this since Andrew Jackson.

ROYC75
11-03-2008, 11:50 PM
Roy...you worry me with your intellect.

Meh, whatever, Obama couldn't pass the security clearance for a CIA job if he applied for one.

It's been mentioned on the news as well by many of political experts.

Mecca
11-03-2008, 11:51 PM
Political experts like who, Sean Hannity?

ROYC75
11-03-2008, 11:51 PM
Yes, a loophole in our education system. One that you fell through.

Shouldn't you be studying for class ?

ROYC75
11-03-2008, 11:53 PM
Political experts like who, Sean Hannity?

Dick Morris , Rove, Juan Williams, all have said this at one time.

ROYC75
11-03-2008, 11:54 PM
Got to admit, that's a pretty impressive list Obama has made. I would venture to bet there are others we just don't know about .

TinyEvel
11-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Spin, and all BS.
Keep grasping. You will lose tomorrow, get used to it. You will complain all year, but we will all be better for it.

Ultra Peanut
11-04-2008, 12:01 AM
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Ultra Peanut
11-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Dick Morris , Rove, Juan Williams, all have said this at one time.Wow. Dick Morris, Karl Rove, and Juan Williams. That's as FAIR AND BALANCED a group as you'll ever find.

Captain Obvious
11-04-2008, 01:11 AM
Where am I going to go for laughs after this election is over?

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 01:13 AM
Spin, and all BS.
Keep grasping. You will lose tomorrow, get used to it. You will complain all year, but we will all be better for it.

Roy won't be better for it.

He's a truck driver with a wife who has serious medical issues.

Oh.

Wait.

noa
11-04-2008, 01:15 AM
El Oh El

Woodrow Call
11-04-2008, 01:18 AM
Dick Morris , Rove, Juan Williams, all have said this at one time.

ROFLROFL

Crying over here.

Pitt Gorilla
11-04-2008, 01:19 AM
That line about the press is one of the dumbest things I think I've read on the intrawebs.

Reaper16
11-04-2008, 01:24 AM
Where am I going to go for laughs after this election is over?
Same CP time, same CP station.

Ultra Peanut
11-04-2008, 01:25 AM
Roy won't be better for it.

He's a truck driver with a wife who has serious medical issues.

Oh.

Wait.He's ASPIRING to be rich enough to get a 3% tax increase! Obama is KILLING HIS DREAMS!

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 01:33 AM
He's ASPIRING to be rich enough to get a 3% tax increase! Obama is KILLING HIS DREAMS!

Obama is killing America and racists everywhere

KCJohnny
11-04-2008, 07:28 AM
Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga. He's a Luo tribesman affiliated with Obama's father when Odinga's communist father was Kenya's first vice president after Kenyan independence and Obama's father was a Harvard-educated economist working in the Jomo Kenyatta government. Obama campaigned openly for Odinga for president in 2006 when Obama was in Kenya on a U.S. Senate "fact-finding" mission. Kenya's president Kibaki asked Obama to stop interfering with Kenyan presidential politics. Obama raised an alleged $1 million for Odinga to run for president in Kenya in Dec. 2007, adding to the $1 million raised for Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign by Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. When Odinga lost the Dec. 2007 presidential election by approximately 233,000 votes, Odinga called for protests which led his Luo tribesmen to murder approximately 1,000 Kikuyu tribesman, displace another 350,000 Kikuyu tribesmen, and destroy 800 churches, while not a single mosque was destroyed. Obama helped negotiate a settlement in which Odinga was appointed co-head-of-state and appointed prime minister to end the violence, even after it became publicly disclosed Odinga signed a letter of understanding with radical Muslims in Kenya in return for their votes.

95% of voters just skip over the black liberation theology issue because they have no idea what it is. It is precisely what happened in Kenya when Odinga lost: violence, revolution, armed action against the 'oppressor' all in the name of God.

Liberation theology (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=194502)is NOT Christianity.

The teaching authorities of the Catholic Church, have for more than 20 years now, been attempting to stamp out these heretical liberation theologies, denouncing them as vehemently antithetical to the Catholic Christian faith, and have been strenuously combating this Marxist counterfeit Christianity on many fronts within the Church herself.

... the Catholic Church has no authority whatsoever over those claiming to represent protestant interpretations of the Christian faith, such as Cone and Wright.

But it is important to note here that liberation theology, including black liberation theology, has not gone unnoticed by the learned biblical scholars within the Vatican, and liberation theology has been roundly denounced as both heretical and dangerous, not only to the authentic Christian faith, but even more so to the societies which come to embrace it.

Just one nugget from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Certain Aspects of the ‘Theology of Liberation':
"...it would be illusory and dangerous to ignore the intimate bond which radically unites them (liberation theologies), and to accept elements of the marxist analysis without recognizing its connections with the (Marxist) ideology, or to enter into the practice of the class-struggle and of its marxist interpretation while failing to see the kind of totalitarian society to which this process slowly leads."
- (Author: Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, now Pope Benedict XVI; written in 1984)
Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.


Liberation theology is primarily a religious apologia for a marxist political theory.

Guru
11-04-2008, 07:34 AM
I love how they waited until Monday to CLEAR Palin of all the Troopergate bullshit.

HonestChieffan
11-04-2008, 07:36 AM
I love how they waited until Monday to CLEAR Palin of all the Troopergate bullshit.

Indeed

Saulbadguy
11-04-2008, 07:41 AM
ROFL

penchief
11-04-2008, 07:45 AM
Honestly, watching how these two men have behaved in public during the duration of their campaigns has provided all the evidence we need as to whose character is stronger.

One took the high road and spoke to a common purpose with a unifying message while the other resorted to lies, gimmicks, and smears with a divisive message.

And this contrast in personal integrity is exactly why the public will choose Obama over McCain.

penchief
11-04-2008, 07:50 AM
I love how they waited until Monday to CLEAR Palin of all the Troopergate bullshit.

Indeed. I love how the PALIN-APPOINTED panel "cleared" her after the BIPARTISAN investigation found her guilty of violating state ethic rules.

Guru
11-04-2008, 08:06 AM
Indeed. I love how the PALIN-APPOINTED panel "cleared" her after the BIPARTISAN investigation found her guilty of violating state ethic rules.You know what. I don't give a flippin shit. Everybody spins it to their own means. it's being reported that she was cleared. Thats all I give a shit about. Take your spin somewhere else.

penchief
11-04-2008, 08:08 AM
You know what. I don't give a flippin shit. Everybody spins it to their own means. it's being reported that she was cleared. Thats all I give a shit about. Take your spin somewhere else.

Take your spin somewhere else. It's already been determined by a bipartisan investigation that she violated state ethics rules. Who cares if her own people said she's all good? You're the one eating up the Sarah spin, bro.

Guru
11-04-2008, 08:14 AM
Take your spin somewhere else. It's already been determined by a bipartisan investigation that she violated state ethics rules. Who cares if her own people said she's all good? You're the one eating up the Sarah spin, bro.No I am going based off of what NBC reported this morning. I don't have access to all the other channels that might provide more information. NBC didn't mention what you are saying.

I have not spun anything.

today I don't give a damn about researching crap.

penchief
11-04-2008, 08:20 AM
No I am going based off of what NBC reported this morning. I don't have access to all the other channels that might provide more information. NBC didn't mention what you are saying.

I have not spun anything.

today I don't give a damn about researching crap.

Uh....so what you are saying is that you don't remember the original verdict that came out about three or four weeks ago that resulted from the bipartisan investigation that was underway even before John McCain carelessly selected her to be his running mate?

I thought everybody heard about that considering that Palin tried to spin it as if she was exonerated when the report clearly stated that she violated state ethic rules.

Guru
11-04-2008, 08:32 AM
Uh....so what you are saying is that you don't remember the original verdict that came out about three or four weeks ago that resulted from the bipartisan investigation that was underway even before John McCain carelessly selected her to be his running mate?

I thought everybody heard about that considering that Palin tried to spin it as if she was exonerated when the report clearly stated that she violated state ethic rules.Uh, if left wing NBC is reporting she is cleared of all charges then it must be true.

KCJohnny
11-04-2008, 08:33 AM
Funny, I never knew about all his Iraqi Muslim connexions before...

...gives a whole new context to his opposition to the war in Iraq, now, doesn't it?

Where is the investigative journalist?

AWOL.

Nadhmi Auchi, a Muslim Iraqi billionaire who is the cousin of Saddam Hussein. He wired more than $3 million as a "loan" to Mrs. Rezko when the Obamas purchased their dream property. He's the largest private shareholder of Bank BPH in Paris and was the reputed bagman for Saddam Hussein in the "oil for fuel" United Nations scandal. He was fined $3 million and given a 15-month prison term in France for his involvement in $100 million in illegal commissions in a scandal involving French oil giant Elf Aquitane.


Aihm Alsammarae, a Muslim Iraqi who is the former Iraqi minister of electricity. He contributed $2,500 to the Obama 2008 campaign and is a close friend of Rezko. He ran a scheme to corner the Iraqi cellular phone market and was sprung from an Iraqi prison in 2006 by a mysterious group of masked and heavily armed men who broke him out of prison. He fled to Chicago.

BigChiefFan
11-04-2008, 08:39 AM
Known FACT: Palin was guilty in troopergate, according to a bipartisan panel.

penchief
11-04-2008, 08:42 AM
Uh, if left wing NBC is reporting she is cleared of all charges then it must be true.

She got cleared by a guy that works for her. The McCain campaign and Sarah Palin wanted this panel to do it instead of the original bipartisan panel because they could control the outcome. In the end, it served as a partisan attempt to counter the expected outcome of the original bipartisan investigation. And it apparently worked on you.

Guru
11-04-2008, 08:44 AM
She got cleared by a guy that works for her. The McCain campaign and Sarah Palin wanted this panel to do it instead of the original bipartisan panel because they could control the outcome. In the end, it served as a partisan attempt to counter the expected outcome of the original bipartisan investigation. And it apparently worked on you.No not really. I voted for Barr.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 08:51 AM
Roy won't be better for it.

He's a truck driver with a wife who has serious medical issues.

Oh.

Wait.

I do not drive a truck, anymore. Haven't since 1996, but don't let that stop you from spreading things that are not true.

Maybe you can tell them why I do not drive a truck anymore or what I do now ?

Maybe you can tell them about my personal life since you know this so well ?

This is what I like about this place, every Tom,Dick or Harry knows somebody else better than they know themselves. They have to mettle into another persons life or comment about them, as thou they know everything about that person.


Here is a hint, keep yourself in LA , talking about yourself and I'll do the talking for me and my family.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 08:54 AM
He's ASPIRING to be rich enough to get a 3% tax increase! Obama is KILLING HIS DREAMS!

Ya know, my doctor has wanted me to retire and take my medical disability for years now, maybe this is a good time to do so. Hey, I can get more money on welfare, he can supply me with medical insurance, He can be my retirement account.

Uncle Barak will take care of me. I can let all of you young kids support me for the rest of my life

KCJohnny
11-04-2008, 08:55 AM
Roy won't be better for it.

He's a truck driver with a wife who has serious medical issues.

Oh.

Wait.

Very low blow, foul. Keep Roy's personal life out of this - you do not know what or who you are talking about. Roy deserves respect.

HemiEd
11-04-2008, 08:58 AM
Obama can win the presidency with know associations like this but couldn't get a job as a CIA agent or an FBI agent, he couldn't pass the security qualifications.

We live in a great country, but we get this stuff ? Can you say, another loop hole in our system.

The sick part of all of this, this guy is supposed to be the "Commander and Chief" of our armed forces. Sick, just fucking sick, our forefathers are rolling in their graves today.

whoman69
11-04-2008, 08:59 AM
I do not drive a truck, anymore. Haven't since 1996, but don't let that stop you from spreading things that are not true.

Maybe you can tell them why I do not drive a truck anymore or what I do now ?

Maybe you can tell them about my personal life since you know this so well ?

This is what I like about this place, every Tom,Dick or Harry knows somebody else better than they know themselves. They have to mettle into another persons life of comment about them, as thou they know everything about that person.


Here is a hint, keep yourself in LA , talking about yourself and I'll do the talking for me and my family.

Put the same standard to this thread starter then. Its full of factual errors and then at the end asks loaded questions they have no proof for.

HemiEd
11-04-2008, 09:04 AM
Funny, I never knew about all his Iraqi Muslim connexions before...

...gives a whole new context to his opposition to the war in Iraq, now, doesn't it?

Where is the investigative journalist?

AWOL.

Get out of here with your facts! Obama looks good on TV and he told us we would get shit for free!!

Brock
11-04-2008, 09:05 AM
Oh boy, more stealth muslim shit.

penchief
11-04-2008, 09:05 AM
The sick part of all of this, this guy is supposed to be the "Commander and Chief" of our armed forces. Sick, just ****ing sick, our forefathers are rolling in their graves today.

Again, watching how these two men have behaved in public during the duration of their campaigns has provided all the evidence we need as to whose character is stronger.

One took the high road and spoke to a common purpose with a unifying message while the other resorted to lies, gimmicks, and smears with a divisive message.

And that contrast in personal integrity is exactly why the public will choose Obama over McCain.

KCJohnny
11-04-2008, 09:06 AM
Get out of here with your facts! Obama looks good on TV and he told us we would get shit for free!!

ROFL

penchief
11-04-2008, 09:08 AM
Get out of here with your facts! Obama looks good on TV and he told us we would get shit for free!!

You're reacting with emotion and not with reason. You are using the oversimplified talking points of fear to justify your reactionary stance.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 09:08 AM
Put the same standard to this thread starter then. Its full of factual errors and then at the end asks loaded questions they have no proof for.

Really ? Obama has chosen to be in the publics eye, he is subject to the background checks and he has the right to deflect and lie or clear the air on the questions or the comments.

He chose to deflect and lie ........

Case closed .

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Very low blow, foul. Keep Roy's personal life out of this - you do not know what or who you are talking about. Roy deserves respect.

Hey Johnny,

Go fuck yourself.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 12:31 PM
I do not drive a truck, anymore. Haven't since 1996, but don't let that stop you from spreading things that are not true.

Maybe you can tell them why I do not drive a truck anymore or what I do now ?

Maybe you can tell them about my personal life since you know this so well ?

This is what I like about this place, every Tom,Dick or Harry knows somebody else better than they know themselves. They have to mettle into another persons life or comment about them, as thou they know everything about that person.


Here is a hint, keep yourself in LA , talking about yourself and I'll do the talking for me and my family.

Sure, Roy.

You're the most disingenuous poster in this forum. You spout for months on end how you're "Mr. Moderate", then you make fun and flip people shit for supporting Obama.

Additionally, what I stated was that the Democratic Party is looking out for people like YOU. Middle income earners with health problems. It wasn't a slam or insult but of course, your weak little mind couldn't differentiate the fact that it was sarcasm.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 12:42 PM
Sure, Roy.

You're the most disingenuous poster in this forum. You spout for months on end how you're "Mr. Moderate", then you make fun and flip people shit for supporting Obama.

Additionally, what I stated was that the Democratic Party is looking out for people like YOU. Middle income earners with health problems. It wasn't a slam or insult but of course, your weak little mind couldn't differentiate the fact that it was sarcasm.

I do not attack a persons choice for the most part, at least I don't try to attack them. I do attack Obama's stance on certain things, issues, etc.

Would I like health care, You betcha. With my condition, I can't get it for awhile , a two year period or pay an outrageous premium.

Your post wasn't clear how you meant it. I thought that it could have meant that, but since we disagree on about everything and you personal attacks on me in the past, I took it that way.

The wife has her disability, my doctor has wanted me to take mine for sometime, I always told her I just have too many bills to pay at this time. Trust me, I am seriously considering it now with the economy slow down.

I work as a transportation broker, not a truck driver. I came out of the truck in 1996 to be home and knew my body was going downhill.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2008, 05:34 PM
I do not attack a persons choice for the most part, at least I don't try to attack them. I do attack Obama's stance on certain things, issues, etc.

Would I like health care, You betcha. With my condition, I can't get it for awhile , a two year period or pay an outrageous premium.

Your post wasn't clear how you meant it. I thought that it could have meant that, but since we disagree on about everything and you personal attacks on me in the past, I took it that way.

The wife has her disability, my doctor has wanted me to take mine for sometime, I always told her I just have too many bills to pay at this time. Trust me, I am seriously considering it now with the economy slow down.

I work as a transportation broker, not a truck driver. I came out of the truck in 1996 to be home and knew my body was going downhill.

Look, Roy.

I didn't post that to insult you. I posted it because you laugh at Obama voters, yet in reality, an Obama victory could potentially (and I think that 90% of campaign promises are bullshit, regardless of party) help you out with the situations you've mentioned about your personal life.

I find it ironic that so many people vote against themselves in Presidential elections, which was the point of my post.

I'm very sorry to hear about your insurance issues. As I've mentioned in prior posts, my father was president of a few different health insurance companies and my wife works as a consultant to the health care industry. I am more than familiar with the issues of losing insurance, being un-insurable due to pre-existing conditions, etc. And I genuinely hope that for people like yourself, if Obama is elected, he can help out those people in need.

Americans shouldn't suffer or die needlessly because of insurance company guidelines.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 10:00 PM
Look, Roy.

I didn't post that to insult you. I posted it because you laugh at Obama voters, yet in reality, an Obama victory could potentially (and I think that 90% of campaign promises are bullshit, regardless of party) help you out with the situations you've mentioned about your personal life.

I find it ironic that so many people vote against themselves in Presidential elections, which was the point of my post.

I'm very sorry to hear about your insurance issues. As I've mentioned in prior posts, my father was president of a few different health insurance companies and my wife works as a consultant to the health care industry. I am more than familiar with the issues of losing insurance, being un-insurable due to pre-existing conditions, etc. And I genuinely hope that for people like yourself, if Obama is elected, he can help out those people in need.

Americans shouldn't suffer or die needlessly because of insurance company guidelines.


Ya know, my wife and I looked hard at Obama about this, knowing that health issues is a priority in my life. We were all set to buy insurance in Jan. 2008 , but the heart attack hit in Dec. 2007. :doh!:

With my grandfather, dad, uncles, cousins and son serving in the military, dating back to World War I, we had a hard time with Obama being dishonest with his associations of his radical friends. We also looked at the difference in plans, wasn't much difference other that the taxes. With us looking at possibly a large account in Jan.09 ( hoping we get it ) we knew it was best for us to go with McCain. We really looked at Obama for sometime, the more we looked, the more we saw and the more Obama deflected and lied. It was enough for us.Our oldest son was in the Marine Corp, he was selected to go thru the Secret Service process to possibly serve his country . ( Phil ,Scott, and several 37 Forever members met him in KC our 1st year ) We watched him go thru severe security measures and it came down to him not getting selected because of another serviceman who was a better shot in weaponry. He has told us over and over that Obama could not get thru a security clearance for this. BTA, he does have too, the POTUS is not under this type of clearances. I mentioned today on a thread, maybe this one ( I forgot ) that other political experts have said the very same thing. But yet, Our son is voting for Obama, he and his wife make over 250 K's and live in NYC . But with our old school ties , my wife and I went with McCain.......

But he didn't need us anyways . Obama may end up being a good president? We don't know,I have my doubts, the majority liberal senate and house scares me now.
I'll give him sometime before jumping down on him , again. I hope he proves me wrong, the country needs to go in a better direction.

I'm glad it's over....... time for the country to heal .

Baby Lee
09-22-2009, 10:32 AM
Disclaimer - didn't read this thread, just did a search for Dorhn so I'd post in a [hopefully] relevant thread instead of creating a new one. Came across this in the latest RFT [St. Louis' version of 'The Pitch', ie a 'progressive' free local paper].

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2009-09-16/news/blown-to-peaces-weather-underground-leaders-claimed-bombings-devised-to-avoid-bloodshed-fbi-agents-suspect-radical-70s-group-killed-cop-in-name-of-revolution/

Blown to Peaces: Weather Underground leaders claimed their bombings were devised to avoid bloodshed. But FBI agents suspect the radical '70s group killed a cop in the name of revolution.

. . . At these meetings, Reagan says, Dohrn "seemed to be more or less the ringleader," while "Machtinger gave instructions on how to build the bomb, and they discussed the placing of the bomb at Park Station."

***SPRAYER
09-22-2009, 11:24 AM
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday. The announcement follows last month's indictment of Nemazee, head of a private equity firm and an Iranian American Political Action Committee board member, on one count of defrauding Citigroup's Citibank.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58K5A420090921?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

KCWolfman
09-22-2009, 12:33 PM
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday. The announcement follows last month's indictment of Nemazee, head of a private equity firm and an Iranian American Political Action Committee board member, on one count of defrauding Citigroup's Citibank.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58K5A420090921?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Charlie Gibson didn't hear about this; ergo, it isn't news excluding on the Fox Network.

Chief Henry
09-22-2009, 12:40 PM
Charlie Gibson didn't hear about this; ergo, it isn't news excluding on the Fox Network.

Youu slacker, don't you know its W's fault ?

KCWolfman
09-22-2009, 12:53 PM
Youu slacker, don't you know its W's fault ?

Honestly, this Presidential regime has the opportunity to surpass the Grant Administration in poor choices for associates. I didn't think it could ever happen.

***SPRAYER
09-22-2009, 01:21 PM
Honestly, this Presidential regime has the opportunity to surpass the Grant Administration in poor choices for associates. I didn't think it could ever happen.

True, but let's be fair to Grant, he had good intentions. B.O.? He's A nefarious greasebag from Chicago.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 10:20 AM
A nice walk down memory lane...

The only difference between Jerome Corsi and SHTSPRAYER is a book deal.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 12:58 PM
A nice walk down memory lane...
Wow. I seem to have thought pretty highly of you back then, relative to now.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 01:11 PM
Wow. I seem to have thought pretty highly of you back then, relative to now.

Yeah, ok, sure, whatever. :rolleyes:

I was right, you were wrong, just say sorry and go crawl under a rock with BRC.

:thumb:

banyon
07-04-2010, 02:15 PM
Yeah, ok, sure, whatever. :rolleyes:

I was right, you were wrong, just say sorry and go crawl under a rock with BRC.

:thumb:

You were right? Your hyper-exaggerated rumor mill wasn't right about hardly anything.

It's like someone predicting the Chiefs will go 0-16, their whole staff will be fired, the stadium will be imploded, and the team will move to Mexico City; and then when they go 7-9, saying "SEE! I knew they' have a losing record!!!"

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 02:18 PM
You were right? Your hyper-exaggerated rumor mill wasn't right about hardly anything.

It's like someone predicting the Chiefs will go 0-16, their whole staff will be fired, the stadium will be imploded, and the team will move to Mexico City; and then when they go 7-9, saying "SEE! I knew they' have a losing record!!!"

Obama's 7-9?

I bet you still have you're little YES WE CAN pin-up on your cubicle wall.

banyon
07-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Obama's 7-9?

I bet you still have you're little YES WE CAN pin-up on your cubicle wall.

Yeah, moron. That's it.

That's why I posted this 3 days ago:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6853506&postcount=16

What big support of an Obama program do you think I've made on this board. Go dig it up if you can. You won't find it. It exists pretty much only in your meth-addled head.

Just because I don't shout RAH-RAH and give you high fives like Cheef Henry or sportshrink when you post some hyperventilating nonsense doesn't mean I'm actively supporting anything.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 02:37 PM
Y

That's why I posted this 3 days ago:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6853506&postcount=16



Oh I saw that. So what?

We can all criticize B.O, just on your terms? Sorry, Bitter Banyon. I don't need your approval.

Reverend Wright baptized B.O.'s kids. I would say a lapse in judgment of that magnitude should have disqualified him from being allowed to run for president.

You on the other hand, didn't see anything wrong with it. In my book, that makes you a scumbag.

nlm

banyon
07-04-2010, 02:46 PM
Oh I saw that. So what?

We can all criticize B.O, just on your terms? Sorry, Bitter Banyon. I don't need your approval.

Reverend Wright baptized B.O.'s kids. I would say a lapse in judgment of that magnitude should have disqualified him from being allowed to run for president.

You on the other hand, didn't see anything wrong with it. In my book, that makes you a scumbag.

nlm

You think people should be judged on who baptizes their kids?

What if they didn't perform a background check? How are they supposed to know everything about a person and what they might say 10 years after the baptism?

Your standards of conduct are ones that undoubtedly you (nor anyone else) can live up to in real life, just in political doublespeak world.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama without stooping to this kind of warped stretched imaginationland garbage.

I had concerns about Obama during the campaign. Among those, his ties to corporate donors after making a contrary pledge. If you think there's some kind of magical candidate that's going to arrive that people will have no concerns about, then I think you're likely to be disappointed in 2012 too.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 02:49 PM
You think people should be judged on who baptizes their kids?

OMG ROFL

What, Charles Manson wasn't available?

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 02:50 PM
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama without stooping to this kind of warped stretched imaginationland garbage.

I had concerns about Obama during the campaign. Among those, his ties to corporate donors after making a contrary pledge. If you think there's some kind of magical candidate that's going to arrive that people will have no concerns about, then I think you're likely to be disappointed in 2012 too.

What a copout. I'm glad my expectations were already low.

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 02:51 PM
OMG ROFL

What, Charles Manson wasn't available?


Wow, bit of a stretch, eh?

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Wow, bit of a stretch, eh?

Yeah, you're right. I was being disrespectful to Charlie.

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 02:57 PM
Yeah, you're right. I was being disrespectful to Charlie.

:shake:

You're comparing a murderer with a politician based on political views. I'm just gonna throw out there that there's something messed up with that.

vailpass
07-04-2010, 03:05 PM
Even the most ardent obama campaigner can't say with sincerity that they are happy with obama's performance as POTUS so far. The puppet-masters who handle obama did a masterful job of duping the young and disenfranchised with hype and change. The worst part is that it is our nation and most of her citizens who are now paying the price; our children and theirs will be paying an even bigger price if we dont' reel this failure in and repeal the health care "overhaul".

banyon
07-04-2010, 03:13 PM
What a copout. I'm glad my expectations were already low.

So, you recognize that criticizing people based on baptisms is stupid, or you just can't defend it?

patteeu
07-05-2010, 09:45 AM
:shake:

You're comparing a murderer with a politician based on political views. I'm just gonna throw out there that there's something messed up with that.

Actually, he was comparing an America-resenting, race-dividing preacher with an America-resenting, race-war-preaching murderer. Seemed like a reasonable way to make his point to me. :shrug:

patteeu
07-05-2010, 09:52 AM
So, you recognize that criticizing people based on baptisms is stupid, or you just can't defend it?

As I'm sure you know, I don't agree with The Mad Crapper's opinion of you personally, but I do agree with him on this. Judging someone on the simple basis of who baptized their kids would generally not be reasonable, but in this case, I think it's reasonable to have judged Obama on the basis of his comprehensive, 20 year relationship with Rev. Wright which included but was not limited to the baptism of his kids. I think TMC was using "the baptism of his kids" thing as shorthand for this much deeper relationship.

|Zach|
07-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Seemed like a reasonable way to make his point to me. :shrug:

Of course it did.

patteeu
07-05-2010, 03:18 PM
Of course it did.

Seems obvious once you understand what he's really saying, doesn't it?

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 09:51 PM
So, you recognize that criticizing people based on baptisms is stupid, or you just can't defend it?

Can't defend it?

Hey look, I don't know how to spell it out for you---

YOU ARE A SCUMBAG.

You sit here and defend Obama's relationship with Wright?!

Obama is a bozo the clown punching bag laughingstock and you continue to toss his salad.

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 09:53 PM
As I'm sure you know, I don't agree with The Mad Crapper's opinion of you personally, but I do agree with him on this. Judging someone on the simple basis of who baptized their kids would generally not be reasonable, but in this case, I think it's reasonable to have judged Obama on the basis of his comprehensive, 20 year relationship with Rev. Wright which included but was not limited to the baptism of his kids. I think TMC was using "the baptism of his kids" thing as shorthand for this much deeper relationship.

Obama and Wright are peas of of a pod. The fact is, Banyon smeared anybody during the elections who pointed that out. That he still does it now---

The guy is a scumbag.

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 09:54 PM
Of course it did.

LOL

What a piece of shit you are.

Dave Lane
07-05-2010, 10:09 PM
A nice walk down memory lane...

Is not character saying you are going to do something and then following through? Who said character is proven by what you do when no one is watching?

Well I haven't been watching that much but didn't you say you were leaving? So I guess you are trying to say character counts but not for me. Oh and don't you have a welfare check to pick up? It is the first of the month.

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 10:10 PM
What a dick:

Is not character saying you are going to do something and then following through? Who said character is proven by what you do when no one is watching?

Well I haven't been watching that much but didn't you say you were leaving? So I guess you are trying to say character counts but not for me. Oh and don't you have a welfare check to pick up? It is the first of the month.

LMAO

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 10:20 PM
I seriously cannot believe anybody is still defending B.O.'s twenty year friendship with Jeremiah Wright.

Even a scumbag like Banyon or Dave Loon.

|Zach|
07-05-2010, 10:31 PM
Seems obvious once you understand what he's really saying, doesn't it?

Why do you think what he actually says matters? It is obvious you automatically agree with the guy. No matter what kind of laffy taffy stretches it takes. You can tell a lot about a person by who they associate themselves with. So congrats.

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 10:33 PM
You can tell a lot about a person by who they associate themselves with. So congrats.

Hey scumbag, notice my sig pic?

Get lost you fat pillowbiter.

LOL

The Mad Crapper
07-05-2010, 10:35 PM
Zach.

What a friggin' turd.

LOL

patteeu
07-06-2010, 08:36 AM
Why do you think what he actually says matters? It is obvious you automatically agree with the guy. No matter what kind of laffy taffy stretches it takes. You can tell a lot about a person by who they associate themselves with. So congrats.

Out of curiosity, did you vote for the guy who associates with class/race warfare preacher Jeremiah Wright, terrorist William Ayers, convicted felon Tony Resko, communist Frank Marshall Davis, among a seemingly endless assortment of reprehensible characters?

ClevelandBronco
07-06-2010, 08:51 AM
Out of curiosity, did you vote for the guy who associates with class/race warfare preacher Jeremiah Wright, terrorist William Ayers, convicted felon Tony Resko, communist Frank Marshall Davis, among a seemingly endless assortment of reprehensible characters?

Frank Marshall Davis's son is in deep, deep denial about his father being a communist pedophile.

I mean, he denies it.

Deep, deeply.

Velvet_Jones
07-06-2010, 09:34 AM
Yeah, moron. That's it.

That's why I posted this 3 days ago:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6853506&postcount=16


FYI - this healthcare bill that is a handout to insurance companies is basically going bankrupt most insurance companies. This is why I think you are and ideological dumb ass.

Stick to what you know - like maybe bartering for livestock or something. Geeez.

HonestChieffan
07-06-2010, 09:55 AM
FYI - this healthcare bill that is a handout to insurance companies is basically going bankrupt most insurance companies. This is why I think you are and ideological dumb ass.

Stick to what you know - like maybe bartering for livestock or something. Geeez.


Evil free enterprise must submit.