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jAZ
11-04-2008, 10:41 AM
I have a confession to make.

I did not vote for Barack Obama today.

I've openly supported Obama since March. But I didn't vote for him today.

I wanted to vote for Ronald Woods. He was my algebra teacher at Clark Junior High in East St. Louis, IL. He died 15 years ago when his truck skidded head-first into a utility pole. He spent many a day teaching us many things besides the Pythagorean Theorem. He taught us about Medgar Evers, Ralph Abernathy, John Lewis and many other civil rights figures who get lost in the shadow cast by Martin Luther King, Jr.

But I didn't vote for Mr. Woods.

I wanted to vote for Willie Mae Cross. She owned and operated Crossroads Preparatory Academy for almost 30 years, educating and empowering thousands of kids before her death in 2003. I was her first student. She gave me my first job, teaching chess and math concepts to kids in grades K-4 in her summer program. She was always there for advice, cheer and consolation. Ms. Cross, in her own way, taught me more about walking in faith than anyone else I ever knew.

But I didn't vote for Ms. Cross.

I wanted to vote for Arthur Mells Jackson, Sr. and Jr. Jackson Senior was a Latin professor. He has a gifted school named for him in my hometown. Jackson Junior was the pre-eminent physician in my hometown for over 30 years. He has a heliport named for him at a hospital in my hometown. They were my great-grandfather and great-uncle, respectively.

But I didn't vote for Prof. Jackson or Dr. Jackson.

I wanted to vote for A.B. Palmer. She was a leading civil rights figure in Shreveport, Louisiana, where my mother grew up and where I still have dozens of family members. She was a strong-willed woman who earned the grudging respect of the town's leaders because she never, ever backed down from anyone and always gave better than she got. She lived to the ripe old age of 99, and has a community center named for her in Shreveport.

But I didn't vote for Mrs. Palmer.

I wanted to vote for these people, who did not live to see a day where a Black man would appear on their ballots on a crisp November morning.

In the end, though, I realized that I could not vote for them any more than I could vote for Obama himself.

So who did I vote for?

No one.

I didn't vote. Not for President, anyway.

Oh, I went to the voting booth. I signed, was given my stub, and was walked over to a voting machine. I cast votes for statewide races and a state referendum on water and sewer improvements.

I stood there, and I thought about all of these people, who influenced my life so greatly. But I didn't vote for who would be the 44th President of the United States.

When my ballot was complete, except for the top line, I finally decided who I was going to vote for - and then decided to let him vote for me. I reached down, picked him up, and told him to find Obama's name on the screen and touch it.

And so it came to pass that Alexander Reed, age 5, read the voting screen, found the right candidate, touched his name, and actually cast a vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Oh, the vote will be recorded as mine. But I didn't cast it.

Then again, the person who actually pressed the Obama box and the red "vote" button was the person I was really voting for all along.

It made the months of donating, phonebanking, canvassing, door hanger distributing, sign posting, blogging, arguing and persuading so much sweeter.

So, no, I didn't vote for Barack Obama. I voted for a boy who now has every reason to believe he, too, can grow up to be anything he wants...even President.


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eastside93/2008/11/i-didnt-vote-for-obama-today.php

Sully
11-04-2008, 10:43 AM
A) Cool article
B) Is that legal?

Demonpenz
11-04-2008, 10:43 AM
truely a great day in america

jAZ
11-04-2008, 10:44 AM
As a father of a 2 year old son, I got a little choked up when I read that.

Sully
11-04-2008, 10:47 AM
As a father of a 2 year old son, I got a little choked up when I read that.

I was planning on picking up my 6 week-old and taking her to vote with me this afternoon. Take some pictures. Make sure to let her know now that she has a job within society that goes further than stopping before the white line at a 4-way stop...
It'll depend on the line, but I can't wait.

luv
11-04-2008, 10:47 AM
Pressing buttons? I had to fill in an arrow.

Rain Man
11-04-2008, 10:56 AM
I think that's an illegal vote. Maybe a felony.

tiptap
11-04-2008, 11:02 AM
I went to the polls with my recently registered (August) daughter, where we met her 4th grade teacher, who was glad to see her at the polls. I took her to the primaries and showed her what was involved. It is good.

ROYC75
11-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Here, kids are not allowed back at the voting booth. I took my grandson cause he wanted to see what this election stuff was all about. So he got up and helped me take the wife down and vote.

Got done, he said Poppa, do they get very many people to vote waiting like this ? ( it was only 45 minutes ), I said yes, but not as many as there should be son. He asked what I meant. I told him that many people will bitch but not take the time to make an important decision to vote. That they were probably too busy or irresponsible to do the right thing.

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:06 AM
That's beautiful. How did the five year old know who to vote for?

Sully
11-04-2008, 11:07 AM
That's beautiful. How did the five year old know who to vote for?

It's obvious.
He doesn't have a job.....duh.....

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:08 AM
It's obvious.
He doesn't have a job.....duh.....

I guess Democrats like to indoctrinate early.

NewChief
11-04-2008, 11:09 AM
That's beautiful. How did the five year old know who to vote for?

My 3.5 year old recognizes Obama on sight. He usually says, "Barack Obama. He's a good talker." when he sees him, which I think is hilarious on so many levels.

Sully
11-04-2008, 11:09 AM
I guess Democrats like to indoctrinate early.

Yeah...remember when Olbermann wrote that book, "Countdown for Kids?"

RJ
11-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Here, kids are not allowed back at the voting booth. I took my grandson cause he wanted to see what this election stuff was all about. So he got up and helped me take the wife down and vote.

Got done, he said Poppa, do they get very many people to vote waiting like this ? ( it was only 45 minutes ), I said yes, but not as many as there should be son. He asked what I meant. I told him that many people will bitch but not take the time to make an important decision to vote. That they were probably too busy or irresponsible to do the right thing.



Kids are allowed in the booth here in NM, so my daughter has "voted" many times. I think it's good for a kid to see how it works and to consider it the expected thing to do, as opposed to something that only "other people" do.

NewChief
11-04-2008, 11:10 AM
I guess Democrats like to indoctrinate early.

So you don't share your political beliefs or talk politics with your kids?

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:10 AM
My 3.5 year old recognizes Obama on sight. He usually says, "Barack Obama. He's a good talker." when he sees him, which I think is hilarious on so many levels.

My kids do, too. But, they have no idea who I voted for.

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:11 AM
So you don't share your political beliefs or talk politics with your kids?

No.

NewChief
11-04-2008, 11:12 AM
No.

Weird. My parents raised me believing that Bill Clinton was the anti-christ.

triple
11-04-2008, 11:15 AM
my mother and father never told me who they voted for. they said they wanted me to make my own decisions.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 11:15 AM
My 3.5 year old recognizes Obama on sight. He usually says, "Barack Obama. He's a good talker." when he sees him, which I think is hilarious on so many levels.

My son picked up Obama's name too at about 20 months old. "Oooo-bah-mah!" I swear we didn't teach him. In fact when he first said it, I kept trying to break him of saying it (tried to get him to say "oooo-jay-jay" ... his his nickname is J.J.).

He now can identify him by name and says his full name "Bah-Rock Oooo-bah-mah!"

Pretty funny, I've given up trying to break him of it at this point. :D

donkhater
11-04-2008, 11:20 AM
Ugh,

Is this the kind of guilt-ridden, touchy-feely propaganda we have to look foward to for the next 4 years?

If this person really wanted to do something for their son, they'd start by telling him that nothing is free or fair in this life. Everything that is worth having is earned. And you don't vote away your freedom.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 11:21 AM
I guess Democrats like to indoctrinate early.
Any parent who doesn't teach their child their values is doing something wrong, IMO. It's something else to teach them how to live those values or how to vote.

But in any case, when passionate people on both sides live their lives, it makes it hard to isolate your kids from the day to day storylines, the news coverage, the family discussions, etc.

I agree though, I want my son to responsibly question everything around him, including my actions (or votes) and judge for himself.

BigChiefFan
11-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Ugh,

Is this the kind of guilt-ridden, touchy-feely propaganda we have to look foward to for the next 4 years?

If this person really wanted to do something for their son, they'd start by telling him that nothing is free or fair in this life. Everything that is worth having is earned. And you don't vote away your freedom.No, you don't have to participate-we wouldn't want you to feel good.

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:30 AM
Any parent who doesn't teach their child their values is doing something wrong, IMO. It's something else to teach them how to live those values or how to vote.

But in any case, when passionate people on both sides live their lives, it makes it hard to isolate your kids from the day to day storylines, the news coverage, the family discussions, etc.

I agree though, I want my son to responsibly question everything around him, including my actions (or votes) and judge for himself.

This child either guessed which candidate, or he's been taught who Daddy supports. That's very different than teaching them values.

Calcountry
11-04-2008, 11:32 AM
Any parent who doesn't teach their child their values is doing something wrong, IMO. It's something else to teach them how to live those values or how to vote.

But in any case, when passionate people on both sides live their lives, it makes it hard to isolate your kids from the day to day storylines, the news coverage, the family discussions, etc.

I agree though, I want my son to responsibly question everything around him, including my actions (or votes) and judge for himself.I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.

Bowser
11-04-2008, 11:35 AM
I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.

Hilarious and sad, all at once.

tomahawk kid
11-04-2008, 11:35 AM
I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.

I call BS on two fronts -

1. You buy your child books
2. You can get a 15 year old to read voluntarily

:)

jAZ
11-04-2008, 11:36 AM
I guess Democrats like to indoctrinate early.

Like I said, dishonest. It's not just Democrats. Have you ever heard of Sunday School?

http://www.transbuddha.com/images/uploads/oreilly.jpg

Duck Dog
11-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Hilarious and sad, all at once.

Not really. She sounds smart enough to figure that out on her own.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 11:37 AM
I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.
I assume you can see that you are doing your own brainwashing.

SNR
11-04-2008, 11:38 AM
The kid also could have voted Alan Keyes... :D

Bowser
11-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Not really. She sounds smart enough to figure that out on her own.


Let's hope.

El Jefe
11-04-2008, 11:42 AM
As a father of a 2 year old son, I got a little choked up when I read that.

I got a little choked up too, but that was because I almost threw up in my mouth after reading that crappy article.

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:47 AM
Like I said, dishonest. It's not just Democrats. Have you ever heard of Sunday School?

http://www.transbuddha.com/images/uploads/oreilly.jpg

Is that teaching values or who they should vote for because Daddy does? Two different things, again, jAZ.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 11:48 AM
Is that teaching values or who they should vote for because Daddy does? Two different things, again, jAZ.

Caindidates aren't doctrines. You said "indoctrinate". You are endlessly dishonest.

Calcountry
11-04-2008, 11:49 AM
I assume you can see that you are doing your own brainwashing.Did you read the last line of my post?

backspace key off/ fug it, you don't deserve the time I was spending in a response. I don't have to defend myself to a elitist yuppie attorney like you.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 11:49 AM
VOTER FRAUD

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 11:49 AM
I got a little choked up too, but that was because I almost threw up in my mouth after reading that crappy article.

NOBAMA LAWL

I HATE THE FUTURE

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:52 AM
Caindidates aren't doctrines. You said "indoctrinate". You are endlessly dishonest.

Since you are apparently unfamiliar with the word:

to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle.

This child has obviously been taught that Daddy likes Barack Hussein.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Since you are apparently unfamiliar with the word:

to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle.

This child has obviously been taught that Daddy likes Barack Hussein.

Or maybe he's a black guy who wants his son to know that skin color can't stop him from becoming whatever he wants to become.

BUT HAY IT'S MOAR FUN TO BASH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!!!!! HUSSEIN!!!!!!! SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIG_DADDY
11-04-2008, 11:57 AM
I can't believe I actually read this.

Donger
11-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Or maybe he's a black guy who wants his son to know that skin color can't stop him from becoming whatever he wants to become.

BUT HAY IT'S MOAR FUN TO BASH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!!!!! HUSSEIN!!!!!!! SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good stuff to teach a five year old.

El Jefe
11-04-2008, 11:59 AM
Or maybe he's a black guy who wants his son to know that skin color can't stop him from becoming whatever he wants to become.
BUT HAY IT'S MOAR FUN TO BASH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!!!!! HUSSEIN!!!!!!! SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so freaking tired of hearing this lame ass response, that is as old as time.

Demonpenz
11-04-2008, 11:59 AM
I am so freaking tired of hearing this lame ass response, that is as old as time.

only this time it apears to be within the reach. Great day america!

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:02 PM
Since you are apparently unfamiliar with the word:

to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle.

This child has obviously been taught that Daddy likes Barack Hussein.

I shouldn't be amazed that you don't know what a principle is.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:03 PM
Did you read the last line of my post?

backspace key off/ fug it, you don't deserve the time I was spending in a response. I don't have to defend myself to a elitist yuppie attorney like you.

Who are you talking about?

Ultra Peanut
11-04-2008, 12:03 PM
That sounds like a case of election frog!

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:04 PM
Good stuff to teach a five year old.

Donger would rather that black children be taught to know their place.

Ultra Peanut
11-04-2008, 12:04 PM
I am so freaking tired of hearing this lame ass response, that is as old as time.Says the guy with a Rush Limbaugh quote and an avatar calling Obama a Communist.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:04 PM
I shouldn't be amazed that you don't know what a principle is.

Again, Daddy's principles.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:05 PM
Again, Daddy's principles.

Next you'll try to explain how principles and values are night and day.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:05 PM
Donger would rather that black children be taught to know their place.

Nice. You really think I'm racist?

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Next you'll try to explain how principles and values are night and day.

Nope. Again, this child only knew who Barack Hussein was because he was taught. And, that Daddy liked him.

Sorry, I just think that five is a little young to involve kids in politics. Let them be kids.

triple
11-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Nice. You really think I'm racist?

Well, you don't support Obama. What need do we have of witnesses?

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Nice. You really think I'm racist?
No way to ever know what you are, really. Like you said, it's all just words, right? Your words mean something, maybe you should consider that.

88TG88
11-04-2008, 12:07 PM
I accidentally voted for Nader :(

petegz28
11-04-2008, 12:08 PM
So you told your kid how to vote? Gee, what were my parents thinking by letting me decide for myself? Then again, if I were 5 and saw the cool touch screens I would touch whoever my parents said to touch.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Well, you don't support Obama. What need do we have of witnesses?

Well, jAZ and I have "known" each other for years. I would hope that he wouldn't extrapolate.

BIG_DADDY
11-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Nice. You really think I'm racist?

Dude get used to it. If Obama gets in every time you speak out against something he does your going to get the race card pulled out on you.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:08 PM
No way to ever know what you are, really. Like you said, it's all just words, right? Your words mean something, maybe you should consider that.

Please point out one single word that I have written here that shows that I'm a racist.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:10 PM
Nope. Again, this child only knew who Barack Hussein was because he was taught. And, that Daddy liked him.

Sorry, I just think that five is a little young to involve kids in politics. Let them be kids.

Nice attempted ejection from that Dems=indictrination garbage.

It was utter nonsense, as was your rathole of a defense. Wise to move back to more reasonable ground here.

triple
11-04-2008, 12:10 PM
So you told your kid how to vote? Gee, what were my parents thinking by letting me decide for myself?

according to this message thread your parents were committing child abuse by not teaching you to vote for whoever daddy votes for and that the other guys are evil

RJ
11-04-2008, 12:11 PM
My wife and I voted for Obama. My daughter is hoping for McCain to win because Sarah Palin is a girl. To make matters worse, the Chiefs are only her 2nd favorite team after the Giants. Somewhere, I went wrong as a father.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:11 PM
...Is that legal?

Not in Colorado, apparently. I've been told that my child had to wait outside the booth.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:13 PM
My wife and I voted for Sen. McCain. My 15-year-old and 13-year-old are casting mock votes for Sen. McCain.

My six-year-old supports Sen. Obama.

Read into that what you will.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Nice attempted ejection from that Dems=indictrination garbage.

It was utter nonsense, as was your rathole of a defense. Wise to move back to more reasonable ground here.

Not at all. Five year olds don't understand politics. They do understand Mommy and Daddy. Surely you are suggesting that this child has sat down, read and reached a conclusion on his own about which candidate he would vote for, are you?

BIG_DADDY
11-04-2008, 12:18 PM
My six-year-old supports Sen. Obama.

Read into that what you will.

You cutting him out of the will?

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:30 PM
You cutting him out of the will?

Her.

And I'll be letting her know that the government can provide for her future.

Calcountry
11-04-2008, 12:31 PM
You cutting him out of the will?Dude, what's with the star wars avitar, it is so unlike you. Did you lose a bet or something.

At least it has the Lakers on it.

BIG_DADDY
11-04-2008, 12:33 PM
Dude, what's with the star wars avitar, it is so unlike you. Did you lose a bet or something.

At least it has the Lakers on it.

I find humour in Kobe being the bad guy.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:39 PM
Please point out one single word that I have written here that shows that I'm a racist.
None of your words show anything about your racism, right? Just words. Or is it that words have meaning, and you should consider that fact?

Or is it that you aren't racist, but used words that project that possibilty by accident?

I can't keep up anymore.

I don't know a damn thing about you, other than you are willing to be dishonest in order to try win the intellectual game of one-up that you play on here.

Are you racist? I don't really know, I doubt it.

But I know it's pretty repulsive to deride a black man from teaching his black son that the election of Barack Obama would be a watershed moment in our nations' history that should be a lesson to him that a black child can indeed grow up to be President if he works hard, studies, gets good grades.

The story of Obama isn't his black skin, it's that his black skin didn't overshadow all of the other qualities for much of white America.

That's the quality they talk about when they say post-racial.

That's not a dismissal of favorable racial support, or unfavorable racial opposition.

It's a rejection of your sarcastic statement, which was rather disgusting.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Not at all. Five year olds don't understand politics. They do understand Mommy and Daddy. Surely you are suggesting that this child has sat down, read and reached a conclusion on his own about which candidate he would vote for, are you?

What does this have to do with your stupid generalization?

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:42 PM
None of your words show anything about your racism, right? Just words. Or is it that words have meaning, and you should consider that fact?

Or is it that you aren't racist, but used words that project that possibilty by accident?

I can't keep up anymore.

I don't know a damn thing about you, other than you are willing to be dishonest in order to try win the intellectual game of one-up that you play on here.

Are you racist? I don't really know, I doubt it.

But I know it's pretty repulsive to deride a black man from teaching his black son that the election of Barack Obama would be a watershed moment in our nations' history that should be a lesson to him that a black child can indeed grow up to be President if he works hard, studies, gets good grades.

The story of Obama isn't his black skin, it's that his black skin didn't overshadow all of the other qualities for much of white America.

That's the quality they talk about when they say post-racial.

That's not a dismissal of favorable racial support, or unfavorable racial opposition.

It's a rejection of your sarcastic statement, which was rather disgusting.

I don't care that Barack Hussein is black. I oppose him because he's a very liberal politician, not because he's black. If some father wants to teach his five year old about the history of racial oppression in this country, that's his prerogative. I simply disagree with it.

Let kids be kids for a while.

Donger
11-04-2008, 12:43 PM
What does this have to do with your stupid generalization?

That this child was taught who Daddy likes as POTUS and acted accordingly when prompted by Daddy.

Have you not been paying attention?

El Jefe
11-04-2008, 12:45 PM
Dude get used to it. If Obama gets in every time you speak out against something he does your going to get the race card pulled out on you.

QFT. Idiots like SportsRacer, will never shut the hell up about it either. We will also get some great responses from demonpenz, that you have to use LSD to determine what he is talking about.

RJ
11-04-2008, 12:54 PM
Her.

And I'll be letting her know that the government can provide for her future.


Maybe we should just trade kids.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:56 PM
I suppose Sen. Obama is a "black" man if one ascribes to the racist position that one drop of blood makes a person "black."

To me, he's just another liberal.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 12:57 PM
Maybe we should just trade kids.

Perhaps you could take the 13-year-old boy for a few years.

The girls aren't on the block.

RJ
11-04-2008, 01:02 PM
Perhaps you could take the 13-year-old boy for a few years.

The girls aren't on the block.



A 13 y/o boy, huh? I'll have to pass. Enjoy the next few years. :)

ChiefsCountry
11-04-2008, 01:04 PM
Dude get used to it. If Obama gets in every time you speak out against something he does your going to get the race card pulled out on you.

This.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 01:04 PM
I am so freaking tired of hearing this lame ass response, that is as old as time.

Overcoming hundreds of years of institutional racism is TOTALLY LAME!!!!!!!

NOBAMA!!!!!!!!

(GET IT? IT'S A FUCKING PORTMANTEAU, BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:04 PM
A 13 y/o boy, huh? I'll have to pass. Enjoy the next few years. :)

Tell me about it...

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:06 PM
Overcoming hundreds of years of institutional racism is TOTALLY LAME!!!!!!!

NOBAMA!!!!!!!!

(GET IT? IT'S A ****ING PORTMANTEAU, BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

You really believe this, don't you?

Damn. I hope you're not an African American. It would be a bitch to live under that kind of delusion.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:09 PM
That this child was taught who Daddy likes as POTUS and acted accordingly when prompted by Daddy.

Have you not been paying attention?

Yes, you've clearly backed off your stupid generalization about Democrats. We have all be able to witness that first hand.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:10 PM
To me, he's just another liberal.
Fair enough... but...

I suppose Sen. Obama is a "black" man if one ascribes to the racist position that one drop of blood makes a person "black."
That is just stupid.

Donger
11-04-2008, 01:11 PM
Yes, you've clearly backed off your stupid generalization about Democrats. We have all be able to witness that first hand.

Post a similar story about a Republican doing the same thing and you'll get the same response.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 01:11 PM
You really believe this, don't you?

Damn. I hope you're not an African American. It would be a bitch to live under that kind of delusion.

It's not a delusion to think that an Obama victory is a major positive landmark in our nation's mostly racist history.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:12 PM
Post a similar story about a Republican doing the same thing and you'll get the same response.

Kudos for backing off that stupid generalization.

gblowfish
11-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Well, I guess Shtsprayer will say the vote at that polling place is in dispute, and will call for an investigation. Don't worry, Diebold already switched it to McCain...

Donger
11-04-2008, 01:14 PM
Kudos for backing off that stupid generalization.

I'm not backing off anything. This was a story about a Democrat indoctrinating his child. I find that revolting. Just as I would if you had posted a story about a Republican doing the same.

You didn't.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:14 PM
It's not a delusion to think that an Obama victory is a major positive landmark in our nation's mostly racist history.

"Mostly racist history?" Maybe you missed the story of the abolitionist movement that was in place from the beginning of our history as a nation.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 01:19 PM
"Mostly racist history?" Maybe you missed the story of the abolitionist movement that was in place from the beginning of our history as a nation.

OH MY GOD YOU MEAN THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T RACIST?!?!?! WTF

You moron. Institutional racism has been rampant since the colonies. Abolitionist movements sought to put an end to institutional racism. When slavery ended, there were Jim Crow laws. So there had to be a civil rights movement to end that institutional racism. And when the civil rights movement ended, there were still people who thought a black person could never be elected president.

When Obama is elected president today, the abolitionist movements and civil rights movements that have been necessary will be validated in a big way.

People who insist that America is guiltless and that racism is a big lame exaggeration are fucking ignorant.

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:20 PM
I'm not backing off anything. This was a story about a Democrat indoctrinating his child. I find that revolting. Just as I would if you had posted a story about a Republican doing the same.

You didn't.
So say your words now.

Sort of a blown opportunity to demonstrate that with action back at the start of this thread. Instead of making a non-partisan indictment of partents who indoctrinate, you took a shot at some unidentified number of "Democrats" (plural) who had nothing to do with this story and falsely fabricated a story of partisan pattern of indoctrination that never existed here.

Your ex post facto rationalization of what you would have done is garbage. You don't need seperate threads on both parties to make a non-partisan point.

Nope. Mostly you've just demonsrated your partisan leanings and the overarching theme of dishonesty you embrace.

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:23 PM
OH MY GOD YOU MEAN THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T RACIST?!?!?! WTF

You moron. Institutional racism has been rampant since the colonies. Abolitionist movements sought to put an end to institutional racism. When slavery ended, there were Jim Crow laws. So there had to be a civil rights movement to end that institutional racism. And when the civil rights movement ended, there were still people who thought a black person could never be elected president.

When Obama is elected president today, the abolitionist movements and civil rights movements that have been necessary will be validated in a big way.

People who insist that America is guiltless and that racism is a big lame exaggeration are ****ing ignorant.

Congratulations for having survived all of that history which you have cherry picked while ignoring the forces that were opposed.

Now what?

Donger
11-04-2008, 01:24 PM
So say your words now.

Sort of a blown opportunity to demonstrate that with action back at the start of this thread. Instead of making a non-partisan indictment of partents who indoctrinate, you took a shot at some unidentified number of "Democrats" (plural) who had nothing to do with this story and falsely fabricated a story of partisan pattern of indoctrination that never existed here.

Your ex post facto rationalization of what you would have done is garbage. You don't need seperate threads on both parties to make a non-partisan point.

Nope. Mostly you've just demonsrated your partisan leanings and the overarching theme of dishonesty you embrace.

Again, this was a story about a Democrat having his indoctrinated child vote for him, in a rather feeble attempt at jerking some hearts. If it had been about a Republican and a Democrat doing the same, my response would have been generalized. Since it was not, it was not.

BTW, why have you avoided the Black Panther voter suppression thread? Haven't seen it?

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 01:26 PM
Congratulations for having survived all of that history which you have cherry picked while ignoring the forces that were opposed.

Now what?

What?

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:26 PM
Perhaps I assume too much. Would you categorize yourself as "a person of color?"

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:29 PM
What?

If this gentleman of various ethnic backgrounds is elected, can we finally quit discussing whether this ethnic group or that one is still oppressed?

Or is this just the latest talking point in the discussion?

Dave Lane
11-04-2008, 01:32 PM
my mother and father never told me who they voted for. they said they wanted me to make my own decisions.

Good for them. I think sharing the information and allowing kids to be involved is a great thing, but pushing beliefs isn't.

Thig Lyfe
11-04-2008, 01:33 PM
If this gentleman of various ethnic backgrounds is elected, can we finally quit discussing whether this ethnic group or that one is still oppressed?

Or is this just the latest talking point in the discussion?

It's a sign of major progress in race relations in this country, one whose history has been marked by racial oppression (whether you choose to believe that fact or not).

It's not the end of racism or even oppression. But it's a sign that we're getting there.

Dave Lane
11-04-2008, 01:34 PM
I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.

BOTH sides of the argument or just yours?

ClevelandBronco
11-04-2008, 01:35 PM
It's a sign of major progress in race relations in this country, one whose history has been marked by racial oppression (whether you choose to believe that fact or not).

It's not the end of racism or even oppression. But it's a sign that we're getting there.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about "race relations."

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Again, this was a story about a Democrat having his indoctrinated child vote for him, in a rather feeble attempt at jerking some hearts. If it had been about a Republican and a Democrat doing the same, my response would have been generalized. Since it was not, it was not.
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BTW, why have you avoided the Black Panther voter suppression thread? Haven't seen it?
Bootlegger is among the least worthy posters ever to appear here. Am I missing something there? I assumed it was akin to the rest of the garbage he's posted. Not avoiding such a subject though. If there's something worth investing time in, please point me to it so I can avoid the clutter.

bkkcoh
11-04-2008, 01:40 PM
Jaz,

If you didn't vote for Obama, you should really change your sig.

FYI. I didn't vote for him either.

bkkcoh
11-04-2008, 01:42 PM
It's a sign of major progress in race relations in this country, one whose history has been marked by racial oppression (whether you choose to believe that fact or not).

It's not the end of racism or even oppression. But it's a sign that we're getting there.

What would it take for race not to be an issue any more. White slavery? Oppression for xx years? What will it take?

Donger
11-04-2008, 01:42 PM
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Bootlegger is among the least worthy posters ever to appear here. Am I missing something there? I assumed it was akin to the rest of the garbage he's posted. Not avoiding such a subject though. If there's something worth investing time in, please point me to it so I can avoid the clutter.

Couple of Black Panthers outside a polling place in Philly, one wielding a nightstick. They are there for "Security."

jAZ
11-04-2008, 01:49 PM
Couple of Black Panthers outside a polling place in Philly, one wielding a nightstick. They are there for "Security."
I replied in the thread with my thoughts, but...

One was a poll watcher... the other nightstick wielding one was forced to leave. That's the right thing to do. It does sound like intimidation for sure. No need to bring a weapon like that at all.

I object as much to this as I do when Repubilcans direct police officers to stake out polling places in order to intimidate naturalized citizens into staying away in the name of "Security."

That 2nd guy in this case was just as bad.

El Jefe
11-04-2008, 02:02 PM
You really believe this, don't you?

Damn. I hope you're not an African American. It would be a bitch to live under that kind of delusion.

Yep. SportsRacer is such a DB sometimes.

El Jefe
11-04-2008, 02:04 PM
What would it take for race not to be an issue any more. White slavery? Oppression for xx years? What will it take?

Don't try to reason with this kid, he just doesn't listen.

bkkcoh
11-04-2008, 02:36 PM
Don't try to reason with this kid, he just doesn't listen.

Thanks for the slam. You really show your maturity. But you are a buckeye fan. GO PSU........ :D

No, I was asking a serious question. I think everyone knows that there isn't any way to take back the actions of the country. But what would it take to make people not hold a grudge?

I am trying to understand the implications, but since I haven't been through anything like that, what will it truly take?

If someone has experienced something like that, I can understand the bitternees towards the people that has acted that way toward them. But why would they wish they upon anyone else.

I have been through a lot of stuff that I wouldn't ever wish upon anyone. What kind of human would wish that kind of action upon anyone.

Chiefshrink
11-04-2008, 03:56 PM
I teach my child to recognize the brainwashing techniques used by teachers and the left wing media.

Then I tell her, that she must be prepared to defend her positions. My daddy told me so is insufficient, and I frequently play devils advocate with her so that she can be prepared in advance for the robotic rebuttals that she is likely to face. Furthermore, she reads at a college level at age 15.
She will be adequately supplied with books so that she can formulate her own cogent political opinion.

Amen Brother!!! Exact same thing I am doing with my 11 and 8yr old.:thumb: