This new regime scares the shit out of me

[Silock]

No, not Obama. I don't mind that. What I MIND is a ridiculous majority in Congress with no hope of a veto. Pelosi and Frank are fucking idiots. And now AL FRANKEN might be a Senator? Are you fucking kidding me?

Buckle up, kids.

[Mr Luzcious]

I'm not a big fan of it, truthfully. I just hope I'm wrong about... just about everything.

[KC Fish]

I'll admit I'm not fully confident, but I like new direction........

['Hamas' Jenkins]

No, not Obama. I don't mind that. What I MIND is a ridiculous majority in Congress with no hope of a veto. Pelosi and Frank are fucking idiots. And now AL FRANKEN might be a Senator? Are you fucking kidding me?

Buckle up, kids.

Yeah, and Ronald "talking monkey" Reagan was a President, and a C student legacy who couldn't get into the University of Texas bidness school is polishing off his second term.

Perhaps if the RWNJs hadn't driven the country into a goddamned bridge abutment, you wouldn't have such a resounding mandate for the Democrats.

[BucEyedPea]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good.

[DaFace]

I'm definitely more confident in Obama than I am a democratically controlled congress. But hopefully they'll pull their heads out of their asses and get some things right.

[petegz28]

this is an emo election......

[petegz28]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good.

that is what worried me the most, honestly. I mean we all knew Barry was probably golden for the win.

[Herzig]

No, not Obama. I don't mind that. What I MIND is a ridiculous majority in Congress with no hope of a veto. Pelosi and Frank are ****ing idiots. And now AL FRANKEN might be a Senator? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Buckle up, kids.

Blame the GOP...they are not who they used to be. W and the economy didn't give them a chance. They are no longer 'conservative' either with the largest debt in history.

But wait...why don't you blame it all on Clinton:shake:

[BigChiefFan]

I agree about Franken-he's a bit extreme. He was down in the polls last night, I'm not sure about the latest on him. Frank seems misunderstood to me and Pelosi represents a very liberal base, so I would expect her to REPRESENT them.

[Silock]

Blame the GOP...they are not who they used to be. W and the economy didn't give them a chance. They are no longer 'conservative' either with the largest debt in history.

But wait...why don't you blame it all on Clinton:shake:

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying that it sucks.

[petegz28]

Blame the GOP...they are not who they used to be. W and the economy didn't give them a chance. They are no longer 'conservative' either with the largest debt in history.

But wait...why don't you blame it all on Clinton:shake:

Actually I blame the Repubs for chasing Clinton over Lewisnky. If they would of left it alone once it was out Clinton would of went out as a scumbag, womanizer. Instead they haunted and chased after him, they just had to get him under oath. And a lot of Americans got bent about it and started to feel sorry for him and it totally backfired on the Repubs.

Been paying for it every since. Florida 2000 was fuel on the fire.

[Silock]

I agree about Franken-he's a bit extreme. He was down in the polls last night, I'm not sure about the latest on him. Frank seems misunderstood to me and Pelosi represents a very liberal base, so I would expect her to REPRESENT them.

Frank is misunderstood? The fact that he's in charge of the House Financial Services Committee is a total farce.

[Nightwish]

No, not Obama. I don't mind that. What I MIND is a ridiculous majority in Congress with no hope of a veto. Pelosi and Frank are ****ing idiots. And now AL FRANKEN might be a Senator? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Buckle up, kids.
That's the main aspect of this election that bothers me. However, we had the same situation from 2000-2006, when the Republicans controlled all three houses, and there was no oversight and no checks and balances.

[Silock]

Perhaps if the RWNJs hadn't driven the country into a goddamned bridge abutment, you wouldn't have such a resounding mandate for the Democrats.

I'm not disagreeing with that. But we've seen what a majority in government has done, and while I don't think they'll be as bad as the Repubs were recently, I still don't think it's going to be good in the long run. Once a program is implemented, it's really difficult to kill it, even if it doesn't work.

[Silock]

That's the main aspect of this election that bothers me. However, we had the same situation from 2000-2006, when the Republicans controlled all three houses, and there was no oversight and no checks and balances.

Yeah, and look where that got us.

[Mr Luzcious]

That's the main aspect of this election that bothers me. However, we had the same situation from 2000-2006, when the Republicans controlled all three houses, and there was no oversight and no checks and balances.

Two wrongs don't make a right? :shrug:

[RJ]

No, not Obama. I don't mind that. What I MIND is a ridiculous majority in Congress with no hope of a veto. Pelosi and Frank are ****ing idiots. And now AL FRANKEN might be a Senator? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Buckle up, kids.



The other potential regime scared the shit out of me. I'm glad my side won.

[petegz28]

That's the main aspect of this election that bothers me. However, we had the same situation from 2000-2006, when the Republicans controlled all three houses, and there was no oversight and no checks and balances.

And look what happened? They totally pulled a 180 on what they were there to do and ****ed us all.


A party that drunk with power is not a party, it's a monarchy, sorta.

[BucEyedPea]

Blame the GOP...they are not who they used to be. W and the economy didn't give them a chance. They are no longer 'conservative' either with the largest debt in history.

But wait...why don't you blame it all on Clinton:shake:

Not to mention completely out-of-touch and in denial about the electorate.

[BucEyedPea]

And look what happened? They totally pulled a 180 on what they were there to do and ****ed us all.


A party that drunk with power is not a party, it's a monarchy, sorta.

I call it the tyranny of the majority.

[Silock]

The other potential regime scared the shit out of me. I'm glad my side won.

Divided government does not a regime make.

[Nightwish]

Actually I blame the Repubs for chasing Clinton over Lewisnky. If they would of left it alone once it was out Clinton would of went out as a scumbag, womanizer.
It wouldn't have worked out that way. If they had left it alone, the incident would have faded away, forgotten. People expect people in power, especially men in power, to womanize and get away with it. I expect that Bush probably had his pole waxed once or twice by somebody other than Laura. Mostly, it doesn't surprise anyone, and most people don't care. Kennedy was ten times the womanizer that Clinton was, and his affairs were public knowledge, yet he was still much loved even before his assassination.

[Mr Luzcious]

And look what happened? They totally pulled a 180 on what they were there to do and ****ed us all.


A party that drunk with power is not a party, it's a monarchy, sorta.

Try oligarchy.

[irishjayhawk]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good.

I am expecting you to be correct but has one of the remaining elections been called for the GOP?

[Guru]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good. At least that is something. The thought of unfettered control scared the crap out of me.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Yeah, and look where that got us.

It could be the exact opposite and equally as bad. I think that would be pretty hard to achieve at this point though. I'm convinced that homelessness will go down, people's basic needs will be closer met, and most importantly, more people will be working. Jobs are coming back to America folks, that by itself makes this worth the risk.

[BucEyedPea]

That's the main aspect of this election that bothers me. However, we had the same situation from 2000-2006, when the Republicans controlled all three houses, and there was no oversight and no checks and balances.

Give it a short time. We got two years. There's usually the coatail effect. If Obama is smart, or I should say wise, he'll learn from Clinton's error and be that check n' balance. He's supposed to be smart. If not he'll pull in more Rs in Congress. Frankly, I prefer that mix, and R congress with a Dem pres more.

[Nightwish]

And look what happened? They totally pulled a 180 on what they were there to do and ****ed us all.


A party that drunk with power is not a party, it's a monarchy, sorta.
That's why it bothers me. But it's a bit ridiculous to claim that it is frightening this time, if you didn't care when it happened under Bush.

[Adam]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good.

Not every filibuster, but I'm betting there are enough John McCain types who will "cross the aisle" in "bipartisan spirit" to help Democrats expand government and suppress capitalism on a fairly regular basis.

[petegz28]

It wouldn't have worked out that way. If they had left it alone, the incident would have faded away, forgotten. People expect people in power, especially men in power, to womanize and get away with it. I expect that Bush probably had his pole waxed once or twice by somebody other than Laura. Mostly, it doesn't surprise anyone, and most people don't care. Kennedy was ten times the womanizer that Clinton was, and his affairs were public knowledge, yet he was still much loved even before his assassination.

But he got caught. And that had him at the end of his gig looking like a scumbag and firig off missiles into Iraq. Why he really did it didn't matter. But I thik when they forced the issue it backfired.

And he was hardly assasinated. He provided plenty of material..the Repubs just went too far with it

[Nightwish]

They didn't get enough to break a filibuster though. So that's good.
Actually, the jury is still out. There are still four seats that are undecided. If the Dems get all four of them, they'll have their 60. I haven't looked, though, to see which four they are.

[Nightwish]

And he was hardly assasinated. He provided plenty of material..the Repubs just went too far with it
Kennedy was assassinated. Read that part again.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I am expecting you to be correct but has one of the remaining elections been called for the GOP?

Minnesota is going to be razor-thin. St. Louis County is only 11% in, and Franken has a 5K vote plurality there. He trails in the state by 17K. You are looking at a win of less than 3-4 thousand by either candidate, IMO.

[BucEyedPea]

Actually, the jury is still out. There are still four seats that are undecided. If the Dems get all four of them, they'll have their 60. I haven't looked, though, to see which four they are.

Last I heard that was midnight.

[petegz28]

Kennedy was assassinated. Read that part again.

I was talking about Clinton. Where did you get Kennedy?

[Nightwish]

I was talking about Clinton. Where did you get Kennedy?
From the post you were quoting:

"Kennedy was ten times the womanizer that Clinton was, and his affairs were public knowledge, yet he was still much loved even before his assassination."

[BucEyedPea]

Not every filibuster, but I'm betting there are enough John McCain types who will "cross the aisle" in "bipartisan spirit" to help Democrats expand government and suppress capitalism on a fairly regular basis.

Well, that D in Georgia is actually very conservative. So I wouldn't worry about him. Then some of the Ds elected earlier in 2006 were conservative or moderate...so there's something there to work with.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Actually, the jury is still out. There are still four seats that are undecided. If the Dems get all four of them, they'll have their 60. I haven't looked, though, to see which four they are.

They had to flip either MS or Georgia, and won't do either. Martin has to pick up about 30-40 thousand votes with 4% left to get Chambliss below 50% and bring in a run-off.

MS went to the R's.

You are looking at 1 certain Dem pickup in AK, 1 likely in OR, 1 slightly unlikely pickup in MN, and 1 unlikely result to cause a runoff in GA.

[petegz28]

From the post you were quoting:

"Kennedy was ten times the womanizer that Clinton was, and his affairs were public knowledge, yet he was still much loved even before his assassination."

I guess I missed that. And Clinton was hardly Kennedy. JFK had Marilyn......Clinton had the fatty from the steno-pool. It's not even sexy, it more "fuck dude you're the PRes and you get busted with her?" Clinton deserved it for that alone

[Silock]

It could be the exact opposite and equally as bad. I think that would be pretty hard to achieve at this point though. I'm convinced that homelessness will go down, people's basic needs will be closer met, and most importantly, more people will be working. Jobs are coming back to America folks, that by itself makes this worth the risk.

I already said I don't think it will be as bad as the recent Republicans, and certainly not in the first year or so, but time has a way of changing things for the worse. It'll be all smiles and rainbows for a while, but things will inevitably go downhill.

[Nightwish]

They had to flip either MS or Georgia, and won't do either. Martin has to pick up about 30-40 thousand votes with 4% left to get Chambliss below 50% and bring in a run-off.

MS went to the R's.

You are looking at 1 certain Dem pickup in AK, 1 likely in OR, 1 slightly unlikely pickup in MN, and 1 unlikely result to cause a runoff in GA.
Well, that being the case, it is highly unlikely they'll get their 60, so at least there's that.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think. Historically, our economy has fared best with a Dem in the oval office, and the Pubs in charge of Congress. But at the same time, historically, the parties haven't been as polarized against each other as they have been over the last decade or so. With single-party control, you risk unfettered legislation. With split-party control, you risk constant stalemating just for spite. Until they find some way to depolarize the parties, it's not going to be a good situation either way.

[Nightwish]

I guess I missed that. And Clinton was hardly Kennedy. JFK had Marilyn......Clinton had the fatty from the steno-pool. It's not even sexy, it more "**** dude you're the PRes and you get busted with her?" Clinton deserved it for that alone
You'll get no argument from me there, lol!

[Silock]

Well, that being the case, it is highly unlikely they'll get their 60, so at least there's that.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think. Historically, our economy has fared best with a Dem in the oval office, and the Pubs in charge of Congress. But at the same time, historically, the parties haven't been as polarized against each other as they have been over the last decade or so. With single-party control, you risk unfettered legislation. With split-party control, you risk constant stalemating just for spite. Until they find some way to depolarize the parties, it's not going to be a good situation either way.

Gridlock is good. It forces compromise. And it also forces them to slow down and really analyze what they're putting through, something that did NOT happen with either the Bailout, the Iraq War or the Patriot Act.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well, that being the case, it is highly unlikely they'll get their 60, so at least there's that.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think. Historically, our economy has fared best with a Dem in the oval office, and the Pubs in charge of Congress. But at the same time, historically, the parties haven't been as polarized against each other as they have been over the last decade or so. With single-party control, you risk unfettered legislation. With split-party control, you risk constant stalemating just for spite. Until they find some way to depolarize the parties, it's not going to be a good situation either way.

Basically, what happens is you have Democrats lay out the fucking red carpet for Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, because with those two, you can get enough votes to invoke cloture, and they are going to be in deep shit for re-election.

[petegz28]

Gridlock is good. It forces compromise. And it also forces them to slow down and really analyze what they're putting through, something that did NOT happen with either the Bailout, the Iraq War or the Patriot Act.

Actually the bailout is how congress acts during gridlock. They did the wrong thing but the right way. They acted, they acted quickly and together for the most part.

The just collectively screwed us is all, but othr than that I agree with you.

[Silock]

Actually the bailout is how congress acts during gridlock. They did the wrong thing but the right way. They acted, they acted quickly and together for the most part.

The just collectively screwed us is all, but othr than that I agree with you.

I disagree. Maybe the first iteration of the bailout plan is how they act during gridlock, but certainly not the second iteration. I probably shouldn't have referenced the Bailout in conjunction with gridlock, because it was a special circumstance (punctuated equilibrium). As conflict expansion grew, so did urgency to legislate, and it fucked us.

[BucEyedPea]

I disagree. Maybe the first iteration of the bailout plan is how they act during gridlock, but certainly not the second iteration. I probably shouldn't have referenced the Bailout in conjunction with gridlock, because it was a special circumstance (punctuated equilibrium). As conflict expansion grew, so did urgency to legislate, and it ****ed us.

Yeah it went from 3 pages to how many? It was attached to a mental health parity bill. Watch health insurance premiums soar now. And it gave perverse powers to the IRS for snooping on citizens by setting up front groups like H7R Block companies with agents inside to entrap taxpayers into bad moves. Sounds even more like a police state. Pure garbage!

[BucEyedPea]

Well, that being the case, it is highly unlikely they'll get their 60, so at least there's that.

That D in Georgia who won is also a very conservative D too.
Some of the Ds elected in '06 were moderates too.

[Silock]

Yeah it went from 3 pages to how many? It was attached to a mental health parity bill. Watch health insurance premiums soar now. And it gave perverse powers to the IRS for snooping on citizens by setting up front groups like H7R Block companies with agents inside to entrap taxpayers into bad moves. Sounds even more like a police state. Pure garbage!

Not to mention that "executive compensation clause" never made it into the final bill.

Whoops.

[BucEyedPea]

Not to mention that "executive compensation clause" never made it into the final bill.

Whoops.

I plan to get my hands on it...when I get time.