Thanks for forgetting the past...

[KC2004]

Islam preaches that were all Infidels....


http://www1.ecxmall.com/stores/familyestore/catalog/angel%20over%20twin%20towers.jpg


Now our next president is swearing on it?

[J Diddy]

you should probably visit www.obamasmears.com before you post another stupid thing.

[KC2004]

you should probably visit www.obamasmears.com before you post another stupid thing.

Is the man gonna swear his presidency on the kuran? If so he can kiss my mother f*ckin ass.

[Ultra Peanut]

We elected Keith Ellison?

What the fuck was Obama doing on stage, then?

[irishjayhawk]

Is the man gonna swear his presidency on the kuran? If so he can kiss my mother f*ckin ass.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

He better not swear on the Bible either.

[Taco John]

Is the man gonna swear his presidency on the kuran? If so he can kiss my mother f*ckin ass.


You can't possibly be this uninformed. This is a joke, right?

[|Zach|]

Completely false in every way.

Even in defeat some hang on to fear and lies.

[BucEyedPea]

O.M.G.

[KC2004]

We elected Keith Ellison?

What the **** was Obama doing on stage, then?

Maybe you blind dems ought to read how the whole Kuran shit works. Oh wait....blind leading the blind....my bad.

[ChiefsCountry]

Somebody is going fishing and is catching some bites.

[irishjayhawk]

Maybe you blind dems ought to read how the whole Kuran shit works. Oh wait....blind leading the blind....my bad.

Do tell how it works. Please do.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Is the man gonna swear his presidency on the kuran? If so he can kiss my mother f*ckin ass.Yeah. That is exactly what he will do. I mean, you've obviously put a lot of time into deducing this course of action. Well done.

[pr_capone]

WOW

just wrong

[Ultra Peanut]

I hope Congressman Ellison uses Thomas Jefferson's Koran again. That's a classy book.

[BucEyedPea]

Maybe you blind dems ought to read how the whole Kuran shit works. Oh wait....blind leading the blind....my bad.

I'm not a Dem. And I took a copy out of the library.
I think you need to move out of the past, and into the future.
You can't change the past. But you can change the future.

[Otter]

Why do you people respond to these threads?

Yes, I realize the irony in this post.

[dirk digler]

There is really some stupid people in this world

[BigChiefFan]

Bubba and Cooter will be along any minute to play the fiddle.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Actually, there is a rumor that he will be sworn in on a copy of Dre's Chronic album at a barbecue on the WH lawn.

[KC2004]

My mistake. Should of known the republicans would be in bed by now. Hell we got to work in the morning. For god sakes im kidding!!!

[Nightwish]

Maybe you blind dems ought to read how the whole Kuran shit works. Oh wait....blind leading the blind....my bad.
What does it matter how the "whole Kuran shit" works (it's spelled Koran, or Quran, by the way, not Kuran)? It's a Muslim holy book. Why would Barak swear on it? He's not a Muslim.

[KC2004]

What does it matter how the "whole Kuran shit" works (it's spelled Koran, or Quran, by the way, not Kuran)? It's a Muslim holy book. Why would Barak swear on it? He's not a Muslim.


really?

[T-post Tom]

Islam preaches that were all Infidels.... Now our next president is swearing on it?

Haven't you heard? Obama converted to Scientology. He's going to be sworn in on a stack of "Dianetics" or a stack of Katie Holmes' soiled panties. He hasn't decided yet. :rolleyes:

[KC2004]

Haven't you heard? Obama converted to Scientology. He's going to be sworn in on a stack of "Dianetics" or a stack of Katie Holmes' soiled panties. He hasn't decided yet. :rolleyes:

:clap:ROFL

[KC2004]

Any way...im tired of pulling the Clayathan shit. Im off to bed. Sorry guys im just yank the cord.

[KC2004]

TOP!!

[Bowser]

TOP!!

RETARD!!

[Saulbadguy]

ROFL

[Baby Lee]

What does it matter how the "whole Kuran shit" works (it's spelled Koran, or Quran, by the way, not Kuran)? It's a Muslim holy book. Why would Barak swear on it? He's not a Muslim.

Were all spelling it kuran these days.

[POND_OF_RED]

Maybe you blind dems ought to read how the whole Kuran shit works. Oh wait....blind leading the blind....my bad.

Judging by this post I'm going to assume you have no idea about what the quran stands for other then what you've learned in bible school on Sundays.

[penchief]

Islam preaches that were all Infidels....

Now our next president is swearing on it?

You do realize that 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, don't you?

It was the Bush Administration that enabled 9/11 by ignoring the warning signs.

And it was the Bush Administration that further appeased al-Qaeda (the ones who attacked us) by letting bin Laden off the hook in Tora Bora so that we could invade and occupy a country that had nothhing to do with 9/11.

You should take your mindless fear-mongering somewhere else.

[PRIEST]

Actually, there is a rumor that he will be sworn in on a copy of Dre's Chronic album at a barbecue on the WH lawn.



ROFL

[patteeu]

You do realize that 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, don't you?

It was the Bush Administration that enabled 9/11 by ignoring the warning signs.

And it was the Bush Administration that further appeased al-Qaeda (the ones who attacked us) by letting bin Laden off the hook in Tora Bora so that we could invade and occupy a country that had nothhing to do with 9/11.

You should take your mindless fear-mongering somewhere else.

At least the thread starter was posting stupidity as some sort of a joke.

[FishingRod]

I have been strongly opposed to our next POTUS because of his stance on most of the issues but this stuff is wrong and stupid.

In the words of the late George Carlin.

What if you put your left hand on an upside down, backwards, brail Bible, with 1/2 the pages missing?? Does it still count?

[Pitt Gorilla]

At least the thread starter was posting stupidity as some sort of a joke.How is it a "joke?"

[Demonpenz]

Actually, there is a rumor that he will be sworn in on a copy of Dre's Chronic album at a barbecue on the WH lawn.

that would get approval from me. Nothin but a g thang!

[NewPhin]

At least the thread starter was posting stupidity as some sort of a joke.

Are you certain it was a joke? Are you in denial that there are idiots out there who actually believe crap like the OP?

[penchief]

At least the thread starter was posting stupidity as some sort of a joke.

Even if he was joking it was a good opportunity to sneak in a little truth.

[splatbass]

Is the man gonna swear his presidency on the kuran? If so he can kiss my mother f*ckin ass.

No, and he didn't take the oath for the Senate on one either. You rightwingers are really gullible.

[patteeu]

How is it a "joke?"

Are you certain it was a joke? Are you in denial that there are idiots out there who actually believe crap like the OP?

I can't be certain about what's in the guy's head, but I'm certain about what he posted in posts #20 and #25:

For god sakes im kidding!!!

Any way...im tired of pulling the Clayathan shit. Im off to bed. Sorry guys im just yank the cord.

If penchief says he was just pulling our chain with his idiocy, I'll give him the same pass.

[L.A.Chieffan]

This motherfucker needs a healthy dose of axe to the face set to the soothing sounds of 'Hip to be Square'

[KC2004]

You do realize that 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, don't you?

It was the Bush Administration that enabled 9/11 by ignoring the warning signs.

And it was the Bush Administration that further appeased al-Qaeda (the ones who attacked us) by letting bin Laden off the hook in Tora Bora so that we could invade and occupy a country that had nothhing to do with 9/11.

You should take your mindless fear-mongering somewhere else.

LMAO pk Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it. ok ROFL

[KC2004]

LMAO ok Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it. ok ROFL:D

[Saggysack]

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[penchief]

LMAO pk Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it. ok ROFL

Uh, excuse me? George Bush had been president for nine months. He had been warned by the Clinton Administration that al Qaeda would be the biggest threat that his administration would face. The Bush Administration laughed about Clinton's warning calling bin Laden "Clinton's ghost." Bush ignored all of the signs pointing to 9/11 prior to it happening. Even in the days leading up to the attack.

Why did George Bush take a cavalier attitude toward al Qaeda and bin Laden prior to 9/11? Was it because his daddy helped establish bin Laden and he didn't think that bin Laden would go after America with another Bush in office? Was it because the bin Laden family and the Bush family were business partners in the Middle East? Was it because the neocons wanted a reason to impose their radical right wing agenda and they believed an attack on America would enable them to do that?

Who knows what Bush's reasons for ignoring the al Qaeda threat really were. But it is asinine to blame 9/11 on Clinton when it happened on Bush's watch and Bush had all the reason in the world to be diligent prior to 9/11 but chose not to be.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Islam preaches that were all Infidels....


http://www1.ecxmall.com/stores/familyestore/catalog/angel%20over%20twin%20towers.jpg


Now our next president is swearing on it?

kill yourself.

[patteeu]

Uh, excuse me? George Bush had been president for nine months. He had been warned by the Clinton Administration that al Qaeda would be the biggest threat that his administration would face. The Bush Administration laughed about Clinton's warning calling bin Laden "Clinton's ghost." Bush ignored all of the signs pointing to 9/11 prior to it happening. Even in the days leading up to the attack.

Why did George Bush take a cavalier attitude toward al Qaeda and bin Laden prior to 9/11? Was it because his daddy helped establish bin Laden and he didn't think that bin Laden would go after America with another Bush in office? Was it because the bin Laden family and the Bush family were business partners in the Middle East? Was it because the neocons wanted a reason to impose their radical right wing agenda and they believed an attack on America would enable them to do that?

Who knows what Bush's reasons for ignoring the al Qaeda threat really were. But it is asinine to blame 9/11 on Clinton when it happened on Bush's watch and Bush had all the reason in the world to be diligent prior to 9/11 but chose not to be.

So Clinton passively watched the al Qaeda threat grow from a harmless embryo into a full blown monster capable of the violence of 9/11 during his 8 year stretch, but because he gave the incoming president a vague warning about the danger that he had allowed to develop, he gets a free pass from penchief? Sounds about right.

[Messier]

So Clinton passively watched the al Qaeda threat grow from a harmless embryo into a full blown monster capable of the violence of 9/11 during his 8 year stretch, but because he gave the incoming president a vague warning about the danger that he had allowed to develop, he gets a free pass from penchief? Sounds about right.

Before 1993 No one was aware of al Qaeda. And in 1998 Clinton tried to have Bin Laden killed. He left Bush a comprehensive plan to wipe out al Qaeda and said this is the most important issue you'll be facing.

[KCJohnny]

Before 1993 No one was aware of al Qaeda. And in 1998 Clinton tried to have Bin Laden killed. He left Bush a comprehensive plan to wipe out al Qaeda and said this is the most important issue you'll be facing.

Ae you serious?

:spock:

[penchief]

So Clinton passively watched the al Qaeda threat grow from a harmless embryo into a full blown monster capable of the violence of 9/11 during his 8 year stretch, but because he gave the incoming president a vague warning about the danger that he had allowed to develop, he gets a free pass from penchief? Sounds about right.

Passively watched? That is your own characterization. I wouldn't expect anything less from somebody who has consistently attempted to rationalize the failures, incompetence, and dishonesty of George W. Bush.

Clinton caught and prosecuted those who perpetrated the first Twin Tower bombings. And although Bush railed against the Cole bombing in order to get elected, once he got elected didn't do anything to pursue those who committed that crime.

If Clinton was so negligent and that is the reason America was so vulnerable, why wasn't Bush more diligent or more proactive once he took office? Sounds like there is a huge hole in the logic of those who want to blame Clinton for something that happened on Bush's watch and something that Bush had ample evidence and warning might happen.

[Messier]

Ae you serious?

:spock:

Yes, it was called, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects." and it was finished by the time Clinton left, and it was conveyed to Bush.

[J Diddy]

Yes, it was called, "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects." and it was finished by the time Clinton left, and it was conveyed to Bush.

So did they tell him or was it something he had to read. If it was the latter I could see how it got lost.

[Ultra Peanut]

kill yourself.YOU'RE BRINGING DOWN THE LEVEL OF DISCOURSE, HAMAS

[Ultra Peanut]

So did they tell him or was it something he had to read. If it was the latter I could see how it got lost."We cannot accept their plea if we don't even know what the plea is."
"Do you want to read it?"
"No, it's pretty thick. Maybe we should just take the plea."

[FishingRod]

So Obama flew that plane.? Wow

[Brock]

Wow, beyond stupid.

[patteeu]

Before 1993 No one was aware of al Qaeda. And in 1998 Clinton tried to have Bin Laden killed. He left Bush a comprehensive plan to wipe out al Qaeda and said this is the most important issue you'll be facing.

It's very generous to say that Clinton tried to have bin Laden killed in 1998. Too generous to accurately reflect reality, IMO. It also ignores the fact that he didn't make much of an effort, if any, to get the job done between 1998 and January 2001.

[VAChief]

It's very generous to say that Clinton tried to have bin Laden killed in 1998. Too generous to accurately reflect reality, IMO. It also ignores the fact that he didn't make much of an effort, if any, to get the job done between 1998 and January 2001.

I think it would be fair to say that Clinton and Bush both share in the blame for not doing enough to disrupt their operations.

[Messier]

It's very generous to say that Clinton tried to have bin Laden killed in 1998. Too generous to accurately reflect reality, IMO. It also ignores the fact that he didn't make much of an effort, if any, to get the job done between 1998 and January 2001.

It all boils down to opinion. I think you are miles too generous with Bush.

[patteeu]

I think it would be fair to say that Clinton and Bush both share in the blame for not doing enough to disrupt their operations.

That's somewhat better than the delusions that messier and penchief are operating under. My personal opinion is that blame is unnecessary and not particularly constructive in either case.

[penchief]

That's somewhat better than the delusions that messier and penchief are operating under. My personal opinion is that blame is unnecessary and not particularly constructive in either case.

Dude, I never said that Clinton might not have been able to do more. I merely stepped in to point out how delusional it is to blame Clinton for 9/11 when clearly Bush let our gaurd down even beyond Clinton's level of vigilance.

So before you start accusing those of us who actually have a more objective evaluation of the situation of being delusional, maybe you should address the delusions of those who present a strictly partisan evaluation of 9/11.

I don't start these accusational threads, I just try to interject a little more balance and a little more accuracy to them.

[Bowser]

It's very generous to say that Clinton tried to have bin Laden killed in 1998. Too generous to accurately reflect reality, IMO. It also ignores the fact that he didn't make much of an effort, if any, to get the job done between 1998 and January 2001.

Didn't Clinton order a Tomahawk strike on bin Laden's convoy near the end of his term? IIRC, the missile hit the convoy, but missed bin Laden.

[patteeu]

Didn't Clinton order a Tomahawk strike on bin Laden's convoy near the end of his term? IIRC, the missile hit the convoy, but missed bin Laden.

It wasn't a convoy, but he did order a tomahawk strike. A completely ineffective waste of millions of dollars of ordinance that coincidentally helped to take media attention off of the fact that Monica Lewinsky was testifying in front of the grand jury at the time.

[Bowser]

It wasn't a convoy, but he did order a tomahawk strike. A completely ineffective waste of millions of dollars of ordinance that coincidentally helped to take media attention off of the fact that Monica Lewinsky was testifying in front of the grand jury at the time.

LMAO

So, he DID try? Get it right, man!


And really, please don't bitch about monies lost trying to kill off terrorists, considering who you've gone to bat for these past eight years...... ;)

[Donger]

So, is this a new 9/11 conspiracy? A big ass angel knocked down the WTC?

[Bowser]

So, is this a new 9/11 conspiracy? A big ass angel knocked down the WTC?

LMAO

[Adept Havelock]

So, is this a new 9/11 conspiracy? A big ass angel knocked down the WTC?

ROFL

[patteeu]

LMAO

So, he DID try? Get it right, man!


And really, please don't bitch about monies lost trying to kill off terrorists, considering who you've gone to bat for these past eight years...... ;)

No, I'm not sure he tried. I'm sure he put on an expensive show, but I'm not sure what the purpose of the show was. He, or someone working for him, actually blocked the more realistic effort to take bin Laden out that took place during his administration.

Unlike Clinton, Bush spent money in serious efforts to deal with the adversary that Clinton policies incubated for 8 years.

[Messier]

No, I'm not sure he tried. I'm sure he put on an expensive show, but I'm not sure what the purpose of the show was. He, or someone working for him, actually blocked the more realistic effort to take bin Laden out that took place during his administration.

Unlike Clinton, Bush spent money in serious efforts to deal with the adversary that Clinton policies incubated for 8 years.

I guess we're all a little delusional.

[penchief]

No, I'm not sure he tried. I'm sure he put on an expensive show, but I'm not sure what the purpose of the show was. He, or someone working for him, actually blocked the more realistic effort to take bin Laden out that took place during his administration.

Unlike Clinton, Bush spent money in serious efforts to deal with the adversary that Clinton policies incubated for 8 years.

What would have been the purpose of putting on an expensive show? Did he know Bush was going to allow us to be attacked and that right wing nut jobs were going to blame him for Bush's lack of vigilance?

My guess is that he was probably trying to kill bin Laden. At least that's the most logical explanation for trying to kill him. Unless you have some theory that makes more sense.

[patteeu]

I guess we're all a little delusional.

Speak for yourself and penchief.

[patteeu]

What would have been the purpose of putting on an expensive show? Did he know Bush was going to allow us to be attacked and that right wing nut jobs were going to blame him for Bush's lack of vigilance?

My guess is that he was probably trying to kill bin Laden. At least that's the most logical explanation for trying to kill him. Unless you have some theory that makes more sense.

It's mighty coincidental that he just happened to need a distraction from the Lewinsky scandal at the time. I'm sure the targets were legit from the perspective of our intelligence and military folks, but I'm not at all sure that Clinton would have put on the show if things were going swimmingly for him here at home. In any event, he took an approach that was more geared toward public relations than lethal effect. Cruise missiles are great at knocking down buildings and at avoiding any kind of risk to American lives, but they aren't the best tool for this type of assassination.

[penchief]

Speak for yourself and penchief.

Yes, you're doing quite well for yourself.

[penchief]

It's mighty coincidental that he just happened to need a distraction from the Lewinsky scandal at the time. I'm sure the targets were legit from the perspective of our intelligence and military folks, but I'm not at all sure that Clinton would have put on the show if things were going swimmingly for him here at home. In any event, he took an approach that was more geared toward public relations than lethal effect. Cruise missiles are great at knocking down buildings and at avoiding any kind of risk to American lives, but they aren't the best tool for this type of assassination.

Of course, everything revolved around Lewinsky at that time for the right wing nut jobs. Anything Clinton would have done that was pertinent to his job description was considered just a distraction from the irrelevant bullshit that republicans were dragging the country through.

Maybe he opted for the cruise missile because he deemed it best when weighing his options at the time.

[Darth CarlSatan]

Islam preaches that were all Infidels....


http://www1.ecxmall.com/stores/familyestore/catalog/angel%20over%20twin%20towers.jpg


Now our next president is swearing on it?

I have forgotten nothing; how could one possibly forget the most successful collaboration between the US, Western European, and Mossad Intelligence Apparatus?
They pulled off a stunner.

[J Diddy]

No, I'm not sure he tried. I'm sure he put on an expensive show, but I'm not sure what the purpose of the show was. He, or someone working for him, actually blocked the more realistic effort to take bin Laden out that took place during his administration.

Unlike Clinton, Bush spent money in serious efforts to deal with the adversary that Clinton policies incubated for 8 years.

Bush did nothing about any of that until 9/11, he had been in office for 9 months. By then public support was huge and he could just about do anything he wanted.

[Fishpicker]

It wasn't a convoy, but he did order a tomahawk strike. A completely ineffective waste of millions of dollars of ordinance that coincidentally helped to take media attention off of the fact that Monica Lewinsky was testifying in front of the grand jury at the time.

that sounds kind of like when GHWB started the first gulf war just weeks after his son Neil was in trouble for the S&L scandal. remember that scandal that cost US taxpayers 1.4 trillion?

100 days later, Bush and Schwartzkopf called off the Gulf war because there was no point in wasting munitions on impenetrable underground bunkers.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Lcs&resnum=0&q=saddam%20spider%20hole&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[patteeu]

that sounds kind of like when GHWB started the first gulf war just weeks after his son Neil was in trouble for the S&L scandal. remember that scandal that cost US taxpayers 1.4 trillion?

100 days later, Bush and Schwartzkopf called off the Gulf war because there was no point in wasting munitions on impenetrable underground bunkers.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Lcs&resnum=0&q=saddam%20spider%20hole&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Not really.

[penchief]

Not really.

Of course, the "wag the dog" comparison is only valid when applied to Clinton (or any other democrat). As has been proven, republicans are noble public servants that would never play politics with the nation's security.

[patteeu]

Of course, the "wag the dog" comparison is only valid when applied to Clinton (or any other democrat). As has been proven, republicans are noble public servants that would never play politics with the nation's security.

There's almost no similarity between what he described and the Clinton/Lewinsky/Ineffective Cruise Missile Strike situation.

[penchief]

There's almost no similarity between what he described and the Clinton/Lewinsky/Ineffective Cruise Missile Strike situation.

But there is no more factual validity in your accusation against Clinton than in his comparison to Bush. Only your partisan spin.