View Full Version : U.S. Issues Perfect: Dems fail to get fillibuster proof majority
Taco John
11-05-2008, 01:33 AM
...well as perfect as it can get for someone who wanted to see both sides lose after a write-in candidacy charged by an army of voters who had the sudden realization that a debt-based economy is socialistic in nature, and put Ron Paul into office.
This will have to do for now:
DEMS WILL FALL SHORT OF 60
NBC News projects that incumbent Republican Roger Wicker will pull out a win against former Governor Ronnie Musgrove in Mississippi.
With Kentucky's McConnell, Mississippi's Wicker, and Georgia's Chambliss - who looks positioned for reelection - Senate Democrats won't reach 60 votes, even if they gain seats in Colorado (Udall) and Alaska (Begich).
The two races still very much up for grabs: Minnesota and Oregon. But even with those potential victories, Democrats are poised to fall just short of the sixty votes needed for a filibuster-proof majority in the US Senate.
Mr Luzcious
11-05-2008, 01:35 AM
Good news.
Good. Unfettered control is never a good thing. I didn't like it when the Pubs had it either.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 01:39 AM
There is still 1% of Fulton County left in Georgia that goes 2-1 for Martin and it is 50-46.
Now, Chambliss will in all likelihood win the runoff, but I don't know if he's going to get the majority tonight.
Ultra Peanut
11-05-2008, 01:40 AM
Georgia's heading for a CRAZY four weeks if Franken and Merkley pull it off in their states.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 01:44 AM
Georgia's heading for a CRAZY four weeks if Franken and Merkley pull it off in their states.
Merkley is looking good given that the population centers still have over half of their vote outstanding. Eugene is only 1/4 in, Portland is 60%, and Republican-leaning Salem is 40%.
Looks like Franken is pulling away as well...
Basileus777
11-05-2008, 01:46 AM
Its see-sawing back and forth in Minnesota. Right now Franken has regained a 3k lead.
HolmeZz
11-05-2008, 01:46 AM
Obama can send his organizers down to Georgia if there's a runoff.
Looks like Franken is pulling away as well...That guy shouldn't even be allowed in politics. I can't believe anyone would vote for him.
HolmeZz
11-05-2008, 01:49 AM
BTW the Stevens race just shows you how meaningless an accomplishment it is to get elected in Alaska.
Basileus777
11-05-2008, 01:49 AM
Anyone know anything about Alaska? Is Stevens likely to keep his lead?
Ultra Peanut
11-05-2008, 01:50 AM
That guy shouldn't even be allowed in politics. I can't believe anyone would vote for him.At least he's not a convicted felon due to crimes he committed while in office.
At least he's not a convicted felon due to crimes he committed while in office.
But he is still a dumbass.:shake:
At least he's not a convicted felon due to crimes he committed while in office.
True. Way to set the bar high.
Mecca
11-05-2008, 01:53 AM
But he is still a dumbass.:shake:
Do you feel this way about Ahnold also?
Do you feel this way about Ahnold also?Yes I do.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 02:07 AM
Looks like Franken is pulling away as well...
He's up 1400 votes
Mecca
11-05-2008, 02:08 AM
Yes I do.
What about Ronald Reagan he was just an actor before he became Republican Jesus right?
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 02:10 AM
What about Ronald Reagan he was just an actor before he became Republican Jesus right?
He wasn't just an actor...he was a "B movie" actor...so he wasn't really a serious actor, therefore, it's different...or so I've been told.
What about Ronald Reagan he was just an actor before he became Republican Jesus right? He was right before I became of voting age so I can't really answer that. I didn't start caring about politics until 1990.
It's not about them being actors or whatever with me as you seem to be implying. I just think Al Franken is a complete nutjob.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 02:25 AM
He was right before I became of voting age so I can't really answer that. I didn't start caring about politics until 1990.
It's not about them being actors or whatever with me as you seem to be implying. I just think Al Franken is a complete nutjob.
You should read the Chapter from Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars" about Wellstone's funeral. It might change your perception of him.
You should read the Chapter from Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars" about Wellstone's funeral. It might change your perception of him.After hearing his radio show a few times online I don't think I could.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 02:32 AM
After hearing his radio show a few times online I don't think I could.
Never caught more than 2 or 3 minutes of it on Sundance as a video replay, so I can't offer an opinion there.
I generally hate every radio host, save for Stephanie Miller and Mark Thompson, though.
Lynn Samuels is the worst. Just a shrill, hateful woman
Never caught more than 2 or 3 minutes of it on Sundance as a video replay, so I can't offer an opinion there.
I generally hate every radio host, save for Stephanie Miller and Mark Thompson, though.
Lynn Samuels is the worst. Just a shrill, hateful woman
Mark Levin might give her a run for the money. One of the most unfair hosts I have ever heard. Don't know why he even takes calls from democrats. He never lets them talk.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-05-2008, 02:39 AM
Mark Levin might give her a run for the money. One of the most unfair hosts I have ever heard. Don't know why he even takes calls from democrats. He never lets them talk.
You should listen to Mike Malloy. He's pretty much that of the Left, although I don't know if he takes Republican callers. He just rants to the point where I'm thinking "shut up, you aren't helping."
Taco John
11-05-2008, 03:03 AM
You should listen to Mike Malloy. He's pretty much that of the Left, although I don't know if he takes Republican callers. He just rants to the point where I'm thinking "shut up, you aren't helping."
Yeah, he's a good comparison to Mark Levin.
bkkcoh
11-05-2008, 05:12 AM
:clap:Thank God.
donkhater
11-05-2008, 06:06 AM
He wasn't just an actor...he was a "B movie" actor...so he wasn't really a serious actor, therefore, it's different...or so I've been told.
I'm not sure why people keep ragging on Reagan being an actor prior to holding office. Before this current age of the career politician, it wasn't that unlikely that someone held a non-political job before changing careers. How is it different than some prominent businessman or athlete deciding to become president? He certainly had the personality and charisma to be a powerful figure, despite his political views.
Quite frankly, it's those same traits that propelled Obama into the White House. Do you think he would have been voted in if he couldn't deliver a speech as well as he does? He wouldn't have made it out of the first month of the Democratic primaries.
Amnorix
11-05-2008, 06:13 AM
That guy shouldn't even be allowed in politics. I can't believe anyone would vote for him.
Jesse Ventura
Actors like Reagan and Schwartzneggar.
How is Franken less qualified? Seriously.
PhillyChiefFan
11-05-2008, 06:18 AM
Good. Unfettered control is never a good thing. I didn't like it when the Pubs had it either.
I agree, I don't think either party should have complete control over congress and the white house.
Donger
11-05-2008, 06:18 AM
Jesse Ventura
Actors like Reagan and Schwartzneggar.
How is Franken less qualified? Seriously.
None of them were/are law-makers?
Pitt Gorilla
11-05-2008, 07:52 AM
...well as perfect as it can get for someone who wanted to see both sides lose after a write-in candidacy charged by an army of voters who had the sudden realization that a debt-based economy is socialistic in nature, and put Ron Paul into office.
This will have to do for now:
DEMS WILL FALL SHORT OF 60
NBC News projects that incumbent Republican Roger Wicker will pull out a win against former Governor Ronnie Musgrove in Mississippi.
With Kentucky's McConnell, Mississippi's Wicker, and Georgia's Chambliss - who looks positioned for reelection - Senate Democrats won't reach 60 votes, even if they gain seats in Colorado (Udall) and Alaska (Begich).
The two races still very much up for grabs: Minnesota and Oregon. But even with those potential victories, Democrats are poised to fall just short of the sixty votes needed for a filibuster-proof majority in the US Senate.I thought this was great news. They should have to work for everything they want to pass.
dirk digler
11-05-2008, 07:56 AM
I thought this was great news. They should have to work for everything they want to pass.
I agree somewhat. You can't pass an energy policy or a healthcare policy with just Dems. We need everyone involved.
Plus there is still quite a few "liberal" Republicans that vote with the Dems alot.
Though it looks like the race in Georgia was called too soon and that is why the numbers were off. Apparently they haven't counted the early voting in the Atlanta area. Obama might actually win Georgia now and Chambliss won't get above 50%
KILLER_CLOWN
11-05-2008, 07:58 AM
How did Stevens beat Begich? totally unreal.
dirk digler
11-05-2008, 07:59 AM
How did Stevens beat Begich? totally unreal.
Stevens won? Alaskans are pretty stupid.
Reid said the other day he would never serve in the Senate again they are going to kick him out when they come back.
Ultra Peanut
11-05-2008, 10:50 AM
Alaskans aren't stupid, they're selfish.
Well, okay. They're pretty fucking stupid (http://gov.state.ak.us/), too.
|Zach|
11-05-2008, 11:11 AM
I understand the filibuster rules but I think the overwhelming focus on the number 60 is a bit over the top.
A lot of those issues ending in a filibuster are issues that aren't really cast down party lines that rigidly.
I lot of BIG votes in the senate fell or got passed by just a few votes.
Ultra Peanut
11-05-2008, 11:20 AM
Martin-Chambliss is going to a special election.
I understand the filibuster rules but I think the overwhelming focus on the number 60 is a bit over the top.
A lot of those issues ending in a filibuster are issues that aren't really cast down party lines that rigidly.
I lot of BIG votes in the senate fell or got passed by just a few votes.That's the thing. The Democratic Senate got hampered by virtue of having a razor-thin margin, not because they got filibustered every time around.
That being said, expect the Republicans to break out the filibuster at every possible opportunity now.
Stevens won? Alaskans are pretty stupid.
Reid said the other day he would never serve in the Senate again they are going to kick him out when they come back.
They might be pretty smart.
When Stevens gets kicked out, how is the new senator chosen? If it's like the Larry Craig deal in Idaho the decision would be up to the governor.
Who is the governor there?
Yeah, I'm thinking that a republican will be keeping this seat.
whoman69
11-05-2008, 12:35 PM
That guy shouldn't even be allowed in politics. I can't believe anyone would vote for him.
I feel the same about Saxby Chambliss and the job he did to a triple amputee war hero in painting him as unpatriotic.
whoman69
11-05-2008, 12:47 PM
They might be pretty smart.
When Stevens gets kicked out, how is the new senator chosen? If it's like the Larry Craig deal in Idaho the decision would be up to the governor.
Who is the governor there?
Yeah, I'm thinking that a republican will be keeping this seat.
I would doubt at this point he gets kicked out. perhaps he gets censured. right now a temp would only serve 2 months.
Mr. Kotter
11-05-2008, 12:51 PM
I understand the filibuster rules but I think the overwhelming focus on the number 60 is a bit over the top.
A lot of those issues ending in a filibuster are issues that aren't really cast down party lines that rigidly.
I lot of BIG votes in the senate fell or got passed by just a few votes.
The thing you are missing about filibusters is this: a small handfull of determined people who oppose a particular bill....can, literally, talk it to death. The only way to end a filibuster is for 60 Senators to agree that the filibuster must end (by a cloture vote.) If there are, say 42 Republicans....it would take at least 3 Republicans to force cloture--3 members of their own party, to tell them to sit down and shut up. It won't happen too often.
It's why Civil Rights legislation took 90 years before the Senate had the courage to tell Southern Senators to sit down and shut up.
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