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Mr. Laz
11-11-2008, 06:27 PM
<center><big><big><big>PRELIMINARY 2009 FIRST-ROUND DRAFT SELECTION ORDER
</big></big></big>
P indicates position could change as a result of playoffs.

January 12, 2009
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<big><big></big></big></center><small></small> <table style="width: 524px; height: 883px;" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">#
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Team
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>W-L
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>Opp W-L %</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>1</td> <td>Detroit
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">0-16
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">.551
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>2</td> <td>St. Louis </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">2-14 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">.529 </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>3
</td> <td>Kansas City </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>2-14 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.537</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>4
</dt> </td> <td> <dt>Seattle</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>4-12</small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.498</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>5 </dt> </td> <td> <dt> Cleveland</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>4-12</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.572</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>6
</td> <td>Cincinnati </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>4-11-1
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.553</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">7</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Oakland</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>5-11 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.520</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td> <dt>8
</dt> </td> <td>Jacksonville</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>5-11
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.533</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td>9
</td> <td> Green Bay</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>6-10 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.496</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">10
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">San Francisco </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold;"><small>7-9
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.447</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">11</td> <td> Buffalo</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>7-9
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.453</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>12</td> <td>Denver </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>8-8
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.457</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left; font-weight: bold;">13
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Washington</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold;"><small>8-8
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.479</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>14</small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">New Orleans<small></small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">8-8</small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">.492</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>15</td> <td>Houston</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>8-8
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.514</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">16
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>San Diego</small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold;"><small>8-8 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.516</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>17</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small></small><small>New York Jets</small> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold;"><small>9-7 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.471</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>18</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>Chicago</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>9-7</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">.<small style="font-weight: bold;">475</small>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">19</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Tampa Bay<small></small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>9-7
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.477</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">20 </td> <td>Detroit (from Dallas)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>9-7 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.498</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">P21 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Arizona/Philadelphia</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>9-7/9-6-1
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.486/.510</small>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">22 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Minnesota</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>10-6
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.496</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>23</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>New England</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>11-5</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.480</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">24
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Atlanta </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>11-5
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.455</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>25</td> <td> Miami </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>11-5 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.461</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">P26
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Baltimore </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center; font-weight: bold;"><small>11-5
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.521</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">P27
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Indianapolis</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>12-4
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">.494</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>P28</td> <td> Philadelphia (from Carolina)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>12-4
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.484</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">P29</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">New York Giants</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>12-4</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.502</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>30
</td> <td><small>Tennessee</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>13-3 </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.455</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">P31
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"> <small>Arizona/Philadelphia</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>TBD</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>TBD</small> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">P32
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Pittsburgh<small> </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><small>12-4
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.525</small> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

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chief52
11-11-2008, 06:29 PM
Boy, those bottom 9 teams are pretty pathetic. Very "competitive" for the top draft picks :)

Rain Man
11-11-2008, 06:33 PM
With the #2 pick, we could get almost anyone we wanted. Super man will probably go with the first pick, but we could still pick up the Incredible Hulk or the Flash.

Mr. Laz
11-11-2008, 06:34 PM
we need all these teams to start winning :)

we lose the tiebreaker to everyone but detroit,cincy and cleveland atm

st. louis is a tie and a coin flip i think

<table style="width: 312px; height: 223px;" border="0"><tbody><tr style="font-weight: bold;"><td>1</td> <td>Detroit </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">0-9
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;">.556
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>3
</td> <td>Cincinnati</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>1-8
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.569</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>4
</dt> </td> <td> <dt>San Francisco </dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>2-7
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.486</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>5 </dt> </td> <td> <dt> Oakland</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>2-7</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.514</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>6
</td> <td>Seattle </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>2-7
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.528</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">7</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">St. Louis</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>2-7
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.535</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td> <dt>8
</dt> </td> <td>Houston</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>3-6
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.507</small> </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td>9
</td> <td>Cleveland </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>3-6
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><small>.563</small></td></tr></tbody></table>

Reerun_KC
11-11-2008, 06:35 PM
There still is hope... If we can lose out, with the cap space, new GM and HC, we could be on to building something great, instead of a coach needing this DVD....

http://www.footballamerica.com/football/images/products/827008873593.JPG

SPATCH
11-11-2008, 06:44 PM
this NFL season has been completely fucked

whoman69
11-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Detroit is not going to win a game this year. They have the easiest part of their schedule already past. Only two of their opponents have losing records, and those just barely.

Frankie
11-11-2008, 09:36 PM
Hey, Laz. Is this order updated every week?

MahiMike
11-11-2008, 09:36 PM
I actually think we need to pick no higher than 5th. If we have to overpay at the very top, I could see us just trading it away.

chief52
11-11-2008, 09:53 PM
I actually think we need to pick no higher than 5th. If we have to overpay at the very top, I could see us just trading it away.

Which may not be a bad deal if it get the Chiefs a mid first and a bottom first... Pick up a MLB (Maaulauga)? and a DE?

ChiefsCountry
11-11-2008, 10:00 PM
For you guys wanting two first round picks - good luck with that.

Toad
11-11-2008, 10:02 PM
I'm off to start my local Daunte Culpepper fan club....STFU

Hoover
11-11-2008, 10:08 PM
I'd be thrilled with the 2nd overall pick and a high pick in the 2nd round.

Mark me down for a DE in round one and BAA in round two.

Tribal Warfare
11-11-2008, 10:19 PM
Matt Stafford train baby, Go Culepepper!!!

smittysbar
11-11-2008, 10:56 PM
Detroit is not going to win a game this year. They have the easiest part of their schedule already past. Only two of their opponents have losing records, and those just barely.

As ESPN and NFL Network have stated, it is just about as hard to go 0-16 as it is to go 16-0. No team has been shut out since the 16 game format.

In the early years of the NFL, there were several I think. Since WWII there have been two expansion teams that went winless in their 1st year, the 1960 Dallas Cowboys 0-11-1 (which they did have a tie) and the 1976 Bucs 0-14. I won't include the Strike shortened 1981 season, were the Colts went 0-8-1.

whoman69
11-13-2008, 06:13 PM
As ESPN and NFL Network have stated, it is just about as hard to go 0-16 as it is to go 16-0. No team has been shut out since the 16 game format.

In the early years of the NFL, there were several I think. Since WWII there have been two expansion teams that went winless in their 1st year, the 1960 Dallas Cowboys 0-11-1 (which they did have a tie) and the 1976 Bucs 0-14. I won't include the Strike shortened 1981 season, were the Colts went 0-8-1.

The fact remains that Detroit has very little talent and faces the roughest part of their schedule coming up. They have shown no signs of life. Their best shot of winning is at home against the Vikings, who are playing for the playoffs. What is Detroit playing for?

Mr. Arrowhead
11-13-2008, 06:25 PM
even if Detroit does win a game, i cant see us losing the rest of our games, our schedule is too weak, and especially if Thigpen keeps playing the way he is.

beach tribe
11-13-2008, 06:27 PM
even if Detroit does win a game, i cant see us losing the rest of our games, our schedule is too weak, and especially if Thigpen keeps playing the way he is.

We're going to win a game.

Pestilence
11-13-2008, 06:42 PM
We're going to win a game.

I figure we'll go 3-13 with wins against the Raiders and Bengals.

KChiefs1
11-13-2008, 06:49 PM
We're going to win a game.

Sunday

Over-Head
11-13-2008, 06:52 PM
5th! :eek:
Damn we gotta try harder

Over-Head
11-13-2008, 06:54 PM
I figure we'll go 3-13 with wins against the Raiders and Bengals.
Don't count us out yet.
We did sneak a win already, and you're bunch is starting to steal the once trademarked Raiders phrase "Manage to clutch defeat right outa the hands of victory" quite well :D

KChiefs1
11-13-2008, 07:24 PM
From the same site:

<CENTER><BIG><BIG><BIG>2009 DRAFT PROJECTION</BIG></BIG></BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG>
November 12, 2008

*indicates undercalssman<BIG><BIG></BIG></BIG><SMALL>
</SMALL><BIG><BIG></BIG></BIG>
<BIG><BIG></BIG></BIG></CENTER><SMALL></SMALL><TABLE style="WIDTH: 524px; HEIGHT: 883px" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">#
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Team
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>Player
</SMALL></TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>POS
</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>School</SMALL>
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>1</TD><TD>Detroit
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">*Sam Bradford
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">QB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Oklahoma
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>2</TD><TD>Kansas City
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">*Matthew Stafford
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">QB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Georgia
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>3
</TD><TD>Cincinnati </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">*Michael Crabtree
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">WR
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Texas Tech
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD><DT>4
</DT></TD><TD><DT>San Francisco </DT></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">*Andre Smith
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">OT
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Alabama
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD><DT>5 </DT></TD><TD><DT>Oakland </DT></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Malcolm Jenkins
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">CB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Ohio State
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>6
</TD><TD>Seattle </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Michael Oher
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">OT
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Mississippi
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">7</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">St. Louis</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">*Vontae Davis
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">CB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Illinois
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)"><TD><DT>8
</DT></TD><TD>Houston</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Will Moore
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">DB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Missouri
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)"><TD>9
</TD><TD>Cleveland </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">James Laurinaitis
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">LB
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Ohio State
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">10
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Green Bay </TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Eugene Monroe
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">OT
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Virginia
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Darth CarlSatan
11-13-2008, 07:31 PM
Which may not be a bad deal if it get the Chiefs a mid first and a bottom first... Pick up a MLB (Maaulauga)? and a DE?


DING-DING-DING-DING!!! We have a WINNER!

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/SHAF-TURD.png

Only YOU can prevent shaftiness...

philfree
11-13-2008, 10:58 PM
Looking at that mock draft with both Stafford and Bradford coming out we should be able to get our QB. Oooh....what if we end up with our choice? How scary would that be? The possibility of Carl & Co. f-n it up are huge.:eek:

PhilFree:arrow:

Mr. Laz
11-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Hey, Laz. Is this order updated every week?

i will if you want me to

smittysbar
11-13-2008, 11:35 PM
i will if you want me to

That would be great

Reerun_KC
11-13-2008, 11:37 PM
Stafford would be amazing!

Tribal Warfare
11-15-2008, 02:47 AM
DING-DING-DING-DING!!! We have a WINNER!

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/SHAF-TURD.png

Only YOU can prevent shaftiness...

Always the BPA , and that would be Stafford if he's available.

T-post Tom
11-15-2008, 03:03 AM
Grab Bradford or Stafford. They both appear to be the real deal.

SPATCH
11-15-2008, 03:12 AM
Stafford would be amazing!

ok

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-15-2008, 03:21 AM
Looking at that mock draft with both Stafford and Bradford coming out we should be able to get our QB. Oooh....what if we end up with our choice? How scary would that be? The possibility of Carl & Co. f-n it up are huge.:eek:

PhilFree:arrow:

Then you take Stafford and rejoice that you didn't draft a system QB with a top five selection.

Rausch
11-15-2008, 09:59 AM
I actually think we need to pick no higher than 5th. If we have to overpay at the very top, I could see us just trading it away.

I'd love a trade down this year. Too many holes and a lot fewer picks than last year...

philfree
11-15-2008, 10:20 AM
Then you take Stafford and rejoice that you didn't draft a system QB with a top five selection.

I'm seeing Bradford at the top of the prospect lists for QBs more and more. At this point it seems like alot of people think Bradford will be a good NFL QB. If the pick is mine I'd pick Stafford but at this point I'm also warming up to Bradford. I think maybe he's a good QB who happens to play in a system.

PhilFree:arrow:

Mr. Flopnuts
11-15-2008, 11:54 AM
Only 3 teams have played a more difficult schedule so far according to win-loss%

BigChiefFan
11-15-2008, 12:18 PM
I'd love a trade down this year. Too many holes and a lot fewer picks than last year...
I think we need to stay at the top and get our franchise QB or DE. We also might be able to trade Surtain, Waters, and/or LJ in the offseason for some picks.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 12:58 PM
Let's hear some more nonsense about how you "can't run a spread in the NFL". Come on, someone indulge me; that's one of my favorites!

And seeing how the Chiefs have proven that this "can't be done"( DCS rolls eyes repeatedly ), I'd say the paradigm regarding a QB prospect has shifted.

Add to that the fact that we need a monster LB for our defense( #58 from USC, and I shall broker NO gruff to the contrary ), as our defense has no game-changers anywhere NEAR the line( and it's time for Donnie Edwards to retire; PAST time actually ), the whole QB -scenario is now open to a much wider field.

Mmmm......who else runs a spread at the college level, and has a QB particularly suited for it, and is a devout student of the game, and can be had as a quality clip-board holder/understudy without the Chiefs giving the house away?

WAIT! Why yes! Of course!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/MessiahProper.png

Is that the sound of DCS throwing the gauntlet down?
Yes. Yes it is.

milkman
11-15-2008, 01:00 PM
Let's hear some more nonsense about how you "can't run a spread in the NFL". Come on, someone indulge me; that's one of my favorites!

And seeing how the Chiefs have proven that this "can't be done"( DCS rolls eyes repeatedly ), I'd say the paradigm regarding a QB prospect has shifted.

Add to that the fact that we need a monster LB for our defense( #58 from USC, and I shall broker NO gruff to the contrary ), as our defense has no game-changers anywhere NEAR the line( and it's time for Donnie Edwards to retire; PAST time actually ), the whole QB -scenario is now open to a much wider field.

Mmmm......who else runs a spread at the college level, and has a QB particularly suited for it, and is a devout student of the game, and can be had as a quality clip-board holder/understudy without the Chiefs giving the house away?

WAIT! Why yes! Of course!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/MessiahProper.png

Is that the sound of DCS throwing the gauntlet down?
Yes. Yes it is.

You talk a lot for a useless bastard.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 01:03 PM
You talk a lot for a usesSCRAAAAATTTCH!!.

Record removed from turntable. NEXT!

RustShack
11-15-2008, 01:18 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time before the reta... Mizzou homers would start talking about drafting Gayz Daniel again because of Thigpens success.

the Talking Can
11-15-2008, 01:25 PM
Let's hear some more nonsense about how you "can't run a spread in the NFL". Come on, someone indulge me; that's one of my favorites!

And seeing how the Chiefs have proven that this "can't be done"( DCS rolls eyes repeatedly ), I'd say the paradigm regarding a QB prospect has shifted.

Add to that the fact that we need a monster LB for our defense( #58 from USC, and I shall broker NO gruff to the contrary ), as our defense has no game-changers anywhere NEAR the line( and it's time for Donnie Edwards to retire; PAST time actually ), the whole QB -scenario is now open to a much wider field.

Mmmm......who else runs a spread at the college level, and has a QB particularly suited for it, and is a devout student of the game, and can be had as a quality clip-board holder/understudy without the Chiefs giving the house away?

WAIT! Why yes! Of course!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/MessiahProper.png

Is that the sound of DCS throwing the gauntlet down?
Yes. Yes it is.

incredibly fucking stupid

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 01:27 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time before the reta... Mizzou homers would start talking about drafting Gayz Daniel again because of Thigpens success.

No Homerage, just a realization that we're no longer running the good ol' Huard/LJ/Gailey, "plod-a-long, skip & hop, force it up the middle, drag-yer-ass"-Offense.

See America? If the Chiefs can do it, CHANGE is possible!:evil:

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 01:29 PM
incredibly fucking stupid

Wow! Somebody call Monday Night Football; I think we have our new analyst!

Can I quote you on that for my "Great Minds of the NFL" manuscript?

You're a GENIUS!

milkman
11-15-2008, 01:40 PM
Wow! Somebody call Monday Night Football; I think we have our new analyst!

Can I quote you on that for my "Great Minds of the NFL" manuscript?

You're a GENIUS!

The problem is that debating your dumbass is that running your car into a brick wall, over and over, is more productive.

There are numerous posts outlining the reasons that the spread, used exclusively, can not succeed in the NFL, and you open your post with:

Let's hear some more nonsense about how you "can't run a spread in the NFL". Come on, someone indulge me; that's one of my favorites!

Why bother?

You don't want to hear the reason.
You want to argue it.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 01:54 PM
The problem is that debating your dumbass is that running your car into a brick wall, over and over, is more productive.

There are numerous posts outlining the reasons that the spread, used exclusively, can not succeed in the NFL, and you open your post with:



Why bother?

You don't want to hear the reason.
You want to argue it.

And yet I'm still not hearing the reasons.

Let me make this easy. Of course we will not run a "true spread". Now this is just conjecture on my part, but I believe the spread WILL be an element of the Hybrid Offense Gailey is going to have to create in order for Thigpen and LJ to produce results. If it works, it becomes the template for where Chiefs offense is headed for the next few years.
As far as Daniel goes, what the fuck do we know about his potential success or failure as an NFL player, when he plays on an Offense that shoves the whole god damned load on him and ONE OTHER GUY???

And finally, does it make sense for the Chiefs to blow their load on an offensive pick, when our defense can't do SHIT outside of Red Zone stands?
No, it damn well doesn't.
We need a legitimate pass-rush, and we need it yesterday. One solid, game-changing Linebacker for a 1000( insert your QB draft hard-on here ).

Or do we want to relive the Vermeil-era again? Cause' right now; that's EXACTLY what it's looking like, and where it's headed.

milkman
11-15-2008, 02:08 PM
And yet I'm still not hearing the reasons.

Let me make this easy. Of course we will not run a "true spread". Now this is just conjecture on my part, but I believe the spread WILL be an element of the Hybrid Offense Gailey is going to have to create in order for Thigpen and LJ to produce results. If it works, it becomes the template for where Chiefs offense is headed for the next few years.
As far as Daniel goes, what the **** do we know about his potential success or failure as an NFL player, when he plays on an Offense that shoves the whole god damned load on him and ONE OTHER GUY???

And finally, does it make sense for the Chiefs to blow their load on an offensive pick, when our defense can't do SHIT outside of Red Zone stands?
No, it damn well doesn't.
We need a legitimate pass-rush, and we need it yesterday. One solid, game-changing Linebacker for a 1000( insert your QB draft hard-on here ).

Or do we want to relive the Vermeil-era again? Cause' right now; that's EXACTLY what it's looking like, and where it's headed.

To produce consistently on offense you need balance.

The spread doesn't lend itself to that balance, because running plays take too long to develop against the speed of NFL defenses.

The spread as part of the offensive package can be effective, but you have to mix it up in order to maximize that effectiveness.

You actually consede that point when you allude to the hybrid offense that Gailey will run.

As for Daniel, he's midget, and midgets can't succeed, in any offense, in the NFL.

Frankie
11-15-2008, 02:24 PM
i will if you want me to

I hate to put extra work on you, but if you do, it will be very interesting. Maybe you can cut it down to top 16 or 20. Anyway if you chose to do it, I will reward you with a few well earned reps along the way.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 02:40 PM
To produce consistently on offense you need balance.

The spread doesn't lend itself to that balance, because running plays take too long to develop against the speed of NFL defenses.

The spread as part of the offensive package can be effective, but you have to mix it up in order to maximize that effectiveness.

You actually consede that point when you allude to the hybrid offense that Gailey will run.

As for Daniel, he's midget, and midgets can't succeed, in any offense, in the NFL.

I'd rather have a 2" height deficiency and mass, than 6' 3" and built like my late Great Grandfather's scarecrow out back in the peanut patch. Look; McCoy and Bradford have stellar lines protecting them. And that's part of the problem today for college guys coming in to the NFL; these college teams build these monster lines, and put these skinny kids who can throw behind them. Works great in college; ends careers in the NFL. I mean Jesus Christ; did you ever see that picture of Brodie just throwin' the ball around outside of practice with no gear on? No wonder the dude's done.
So, your boy Stafford has McCoy and Bradford beat in those respects because he DOES play behind a less than stellar line, and he's better built.
He's also going to command a King's Ransom. And considering the state of Chiefs defense; that ransom should be going to the Samoan.

el borracho
11-15-2008, 07:44 PM
Wow. Two win teams drafting seventh and an early mock with no DEs in the top 10? It is a crazy world.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 07:49 PM
Wow. Two win teams drafting seventh and an early mock with no DEs in the top 10? It is a crazy world.


And Oh Dear God let it stay that way so that we can use our position to get the best.
:thumb:

Mecca
11-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Give me 1 QB in the NFL that is under 6' tall I dare you.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 08:26 PM
Give me 1 QB in the NFL that is under 6' tall I dare you.

Do I get to knock the Duracell Battery off your shoulder if I do?

Come on man, I'm tired of talking about QB's because I'm no longer looking for a better option. Give me someone that can play at Thigpen's level if he get's hurt, and I'm all good.

And WHAT THE HELL??? I'm trying to campaign two of your best guys to Kansas City; what are you gettin' in my grill for?!

Mecca
11-15-2008, 08:27 PM
Do I get to knock the Duracell Battery off your shoulder if I do?

Come on man, I'm tired of talking about QB's because I'm no longer looking for a better option. Give me someone that can play at Thigpen's level if he get's hurt, and I'm all good.

And WHAT THE HELL??? I'm trying to campaign two of your best guys to Kansas City; what are you gettin' in my grill for?!

I don't favor players because they come from my favorite college team.

Darth CarlSatan
11-15-2008, 08:35 PM
I don't favor players because they come from my favorite college team.

Okay, then favor Rey because he's desperately needed, and favor Mark because he's a good fit.

It's getting to the point where I'm almost beginning to WANT to see Stafford here, so I can watch him get mauled and butt-fucked by an NFL Defense just for shits and giggles!

But that won't happen( Thank God ), and I can always catch the Detroit game earlier or later in the day.

Frosty
11-16-2008, 12:49 AM
Give me 1 QB in the NFL that is under 6' tall I dare you.

Seneca Wallace

RustShack
11-16-2008, 02:59 AM
Seneca Wallace

Iowa State Fuck Yeah!

Bwana
11-16-2008, 08:33 AM
Lets hope Culpepper can get big D a few wins and help us out.

philfree
11-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Seneca Wallace

Drew Brees


PhilFree:arrow:

milkman
11-16-2008, 09:09 AM
Drew Brees


PhilFree:arrow:

Seneca Wallace is a scrub, and Drew Brees is 6', so he doesn't meet the challenge.

Frosty
11-16-2008, 09:11 AM
Seneca Wallace is a scrub, and Drew Brees is 6', so he doesn't meet the challenge.

Mecca never said anything about a starter or even being a good QB. He just said name a QB in the NFL that is under 6' tall.

I figured it was a trivia question or something. :shrug:

philfree
11-16-2008, 09:12 AM
Seneca Wallace is a scrub, and Drew Brees is 6', so he doesn't meet the challenge.

I don't really think Brees is 6' tall but what ever. IMO we could draft Chase Daniels and make into a FB.

PhilFree:arrow:

milkman
11-16-2008, 09:24 AM
Mecca never said anything about a starter or even being a good QB. He just said name a QB in the NFL that is under 6' tall.

I figured it was a trivia question or something. :shrug:

You're right, he didn't.

He made the mistake of thinking that people could read between the lines.

Name one good QB that is under 6' tall.

milkman
11-16-2008, 09:24 AM
I don't really think Brees is 6' tall but what ever. IMO we could draft Chase Daniels and make into a FB.

PhilFree:arrow:

The NFL measurements are pretty accurate.

Frosty
11-16-2008, 09:32 AM
Name one good QB that is under 6' tall.

Chase Daniel (you didn't say "NFL QB"). :p

And lighten up, dude. I was just messing with him. I don't want a midget QB anymore than you do.

milkman
11-16-2008, 09:33 AM
Chase Daniel (you didn't say "NFL QB"). :p

:doh!:

milkman
11-16-2008, 09:34 AM
Chase Daniel (you didn't say "NFL QB"). :p

And lighten up, dude. I was just messing with him. I don't want a midget QB anymore than you do.

Wait a minute!

You want me to lighten up?

Have you met me on here?

Frosty
11-16-2008, 09:35 AM
Wait a minute!

You want me to lighten up?

Have you met me on here?

:doh!:

Orlandochiefsgrl
11-17-2008, 03:56 PM
wow. San Fran moved from 4 to like 7 with a win. chiefs still sitting pretty with the #2 slot. Too bad we dont play detroit this year.

xbarretx
11-17-2008, 04:12 PM
wow. San Fran moved from 4 to like 7 with a win. chiefs still sitting pretty with the #2 slot. Too bad we dont play detroit this year.

well, i could still see us losing outright. maybe a win at Oak in Oak but.... its not like we have won the game that we should have won this season now is it :doh!:

so i think with our remaining sch that were lucky to get one more win.

as such... we need Cin to beat us head to head thus keeping them higher than us... and DET needs to pull out an upset or two.

all of which could be possible is TB lays an egg and NO's def continues to smoke pole

heck...... watch them pull the upset and end TEN's perfect record... LMAO LMAO ROFL

Mr. Laz
11-18-2008, 10:46 AM
bump for update

OnTheWarpath58
11-18-2008, 10:56 AM
If we manage to beat Oakland, we might drop all the way to 6 or 7.

Plus, the majority of the teams we have left have relatively easy schedules from here on out, so our SOS will likely be going up - which isn't good.

And it could get even worse if we somehow win another...

Mr. Laz
12-02-2008, 02:10 PM
bump for update

Thig Lyfe
12-02-2008, 02:16 PM
I didn't realize Seattle was that bad.

Mr. Laz
12-02-2008, 02:19 PM
if we drop out of the top 5 after this terrible year i think i'll puke
'

beach tribe
12-02-2008, 02:19 PM
I didn't realize Seattle was that bad.

I was just about to ask, WTF happened to Seattle. I have'nt paid any attention to them. Damn. They have fallen hard.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2008, 02:22 PM
I was just about to ask, WTF happened to Seattle. I have'nt paid any attention to them. Damn. They have fallen hard.

St. Louis' next three games: AZ, Sea, SF
Sea's next three games: NE, St.L, NYJ (their final game is against AZ, who will be resting their starters since they won't get the bye and will have the division locked up this week.)

St. Louis or Seattle will eliminate themselves in two weeks.

Darth CarlSatan
12-02-2008, 02:30 PM
St. Louis' next three games: AZ, Sea, SF
Sea's next three games: NE, St.L, NYJ (their final game is against AZ, who will be resting their starters since they won't get the bye and will have the division locked up this week.)

St. Louis or Seattle will eliminate themselves in two weeks.

Az. may have the division locked up, but they are on a downward spiral right now. I think NE and Seattle are gonna' pound their ass.

Extra Point
12-02-2008, 04:14 PM
Anyone notice that DCS and Hootie never post at the same time?

Darth CarlSatan
12-02-2008, 04:18 PM
Anyone notice that DCS and Hootie never post at the same time?

Is this yet another "DCS is a Double Agent"-post?

People; give up the ghost, as there was no ghost to begin with. :spock:

Frosty
12-02-2008, 04:36 PM
I was just about to ask, WTF happened to Seattle. I have'nt paid any attention to them. Damn. They have fallen hard.

They have been decimated by injuries on offense. The puzzling thing, though, is their defense has completely fallen apart. They have had some injuries there, too, but it shouldn't have caused that level of suckiness.

Delano
12-02-2008, 04:37 PM
Is this yet another "DCS is a Double Agent"-post?

People; give up the ghost, as there was no ghost to begin with. :spock:

Well I'll sleep better tonight knowing we managed to get THAT world-shaking concern put to rest. :rolleyes:

chiefzilla1501
12-02-2008, 05:24 PM
Wow, this is crazy. I would have guessed that our strength of schedule would have killed us, given that our schedule has been absolutely brutal. That's a great breakdown.

Darth CarlSatan
12-02-2008, 06:10 PM
Well I'll sleep better tonight knowing we managed to get THAT world-shaking concern put to rest. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't get your jammies out just yet; I have a feeling this is far from over.

Darth CarlSatan
12-02-2008, 06:15 PM
Wow, this is crazy. I would have guessed that our strength of schedule would have killed us, given that our schedule has been absolutely brutal. That's a great breakdown.

I like looking at San Diego, and more to the point; Norv Turner's outstanding work there.

Let's keep it going; Destroy The Chuck-n-Pukes! :LOL:

Frankie
12-03-2008, 09:44 AM
bump for update

Thanks Laz. :thumb:

Frankie
12-08-2008, 03:10 PM
Laz?

Monty
12-08-2008, 03:12 PM
assuming this is a nil change? ;)

AustinChief
12-08-2008, 03:21 PM
Assuming we lose next week... and Detroit loses to Indy...
If Cinci wins vs Washington (you never know)...

Then we will be tied for the 2nd pick with the loser of the Seattle/St Louis game...

Most likely Cinci will lose and we will remin tied for the third pick.

Worst case (draftwise), we win and Oakland loses... leaving us tied with them and the winner of the Seattle/St Louis game for the 4th pick

Mr. Laz
12-09-2008, 06:41 PM
Laz?
tuesday so it includes monday night football game



updated

Mecca
12-09-2008, 06:45 PM
This team is gonna go 3-13 and pick 5th, joy.

bowener
12-09-2008, 07:08 PM
where is the guy with the stat print out for our draft position that posts every once and a while?

Frankie
12-09-2008, 07:27 PM
tuesday so it includes monday night football game



updated

You are right sir and I was wrong with my childish haste. Thanks.

ChiefsCountry
12-09-2008, 07:28 PM
You guys should just let cdcox post these threads.

Mr. Laz
12-09-2008, 08:03 PM
You guys should just let cdcox post these threads.
nobody made you enter this thread ... last time i checked i didn't trick anyone by making my name sound cdcox-ish


if you don't like my threads then stay the fuck out

unothadeal
12-09-2008, 08:05 PM
What does the bold mean?

cdcox
12-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Projecting SOS to the end of the season:

If we end up tied with St. Louis, we have a 50-50 chance of having a better draft pick than them.

If we end up tied with Seattle, we have a 30% chance of having a better draft pick than them.

If we end up tied with Oakland, we have like a 90% chance of having a better draft pick than them.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:07 PM
Projecting SOS to the end of the season:

If we end up tied with St. Louis, we have a 50-50 chance of having a better draft pick than them.

If we end up tied with Seattle, we have a 30% chance of having a better draft pick than them.

If we end up tied with Oakland, we have like a 90% chance of having a better draft pick than them.

This is gonna be fucked up because odds are the Chiefs will fuck around and beat Cincy.

Tribal Warfare
12-09-2008, 08:20 PM
This is gonna be fucked up because odds are the Chiefs will fuck around and beat Cincy.

Don't underestimate the absolute suck of the Chiefs

RedThat
12-09-2008, 08:26 PM
You guys should just let cdcox post these threads.

Thats insulting. You know, that is actually very a**holish.

philfree
12-09-2008, 08:34 PM
We're gonna have a high draft pick no matter what happens the rest of the season. I'm not so sure that drafting 6th or 2nd is gonna make that big of a difference unless you're on the Stafford or bust wagon. And there's a good chance that Detroit will pick Stafford anyway so that's probably a pipe dream. We don't even know if he's gonna declare or not yet so:shrug: I would draft Stafford if the chance is there but BPA that high in the draft is still good and we may have something with Thigpen anyways. Of course the Lions could draft another WR so where we pick in the top of this draft could still make a difference. If I get to decide then I'll take another win or two as the season comes to a close.

PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:36 PM
If the Lions don't take Stafford and we don't have the 2nd pick because we fucked around and won 2 more games I'm gonna be pissed off.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 08:39 PM
If the Lions don't take Stafford and we don't have the 2nd pick because we ****ed around and won 2 more games I'm gonna be pissed off.

Chill out. We're going to operate the steroid wildcat. 9 OL and 2 RB. We're cool.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:39 PM
Chill out. We're going to operate the steroid wildcat. 9 OL and 2 RB. We're cool.

It's probably best I don't even think the Chiefs would take Stafford or any QB if they were given the opportunity.

cdcox
12-09-2008, 08:40 PM
This is gonna be ****ed up because odds are the Chiefs will **** around and beat Cincy.

If we beat Cincy and end up in a 3-way tie with Oakland and St. Louis our odds of drafting

4th 68%
5th 32%
6th 1%


If we beat Cincy and end up in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Seattle, our odds of drafting

4th 46%
5th 53%
6th 1%


Its kind of weird. If we lose out we want Seattle to win against St. Louis this weekend. If we win one game, it is better for St. Louis to beat Seattle (assuming Seattle loses out).

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 08:45 PM
It's probably best I don't even think the Chiefs would take Stafford or any QB if they were given the opportunity.

Nah. I really think the Chiefs will draft a QB in round one, but it will probably be Bradford.

Herm has been pretty obtuse, and rightfully so, about Thigpen's future, aside from saying that he's definitely a solid #2. To me, these statements don't kill his confidence, since he'll start as the #1 going into next year, but leave the door open for a newly drafted guy to be the heir apparent.

philfree
12-09-2008, 08:47 PM
If we beat Cincy and end up in a 3-way tie with Oakland and St. Louis our odds of drafting

4th 68%
5th 32%
6th 1%


If we beat Cincy and end up in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Seattle, our odds of drafting

4th 46%
5th 53%
6th 1%


Its kind of weird. If we lose out we want Seattle to win against St. Louis this weekend. If we win one game, it is better for St. Louis to beat Seattle (assuming Seattle loses out).

So what if the Chiefs lose out?

PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:50 PM
Nah. I really think the Chiefs will draft a QB in round one, but it will probably be Bradford.

Herm has been pretty obtuse, and rightfully so, about Thigpen's future, aside from saying that he's definitely a solid #2. To me, these statements don't kill his confidence, since he'll start as the #1 going into next year, but leave the door open for a newly drafted guy to be the heir apparent.

Don't worry they'll start talking about how they're scared of the QB's as the draft gets close..they pulled that card last year saying there were no franchise guys and all that.

dirk digler
12-09-2008, 08:50 PM
This is gonna be ****ed up because odds are the Chiefs will **** around and beat Cincy.

I don't know I read today they are wanting Carson to play this year so he might come back next week.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 08:51 PM
Don't worry they'll start talking about how they're scared of the QB's as the draft gets close..they pulled that card last year saying there were no franchise guys and all that.

Maybe you're right. Given the play of Ryan and Flacco, however, it's going to be a little tougher to do that with a straight face.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:51 PM
I have a hard time thinking he's going to play he may need a pretty serious elbow surgery.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Maybe you're right. Given the play of Ryan and Flacco, however, it's going to be a little tougher to do that with a straight face.

I've seen some people around here do it.....

Seems this market would much prefer the cheap game manager QB and that falls alot more in line with what Herm wants.

dirk digler
12-09-2008, 08:53 PM
I have a hard time thinking he's going to play he may need a pretty serious elbow surgery.

The Cincinnati Bengals are 1-11-1, and an injured elbow has kept quarterback Carson Palmer out for more than two months.
But that doesnt mean the Bengals are ready to rule Palmer out for the final three games of the season.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said on Monday that Palmer probably wont need surgery on the elbow, and that hes still hoping to get back on the field this year.

Hed like an opportunity to play if hes healthy and well, Lewis said, per the Cincinnati Enquirer. What football players do is they play football.
Lewis added that Palmer has been throwing on the practice field.

He had a good week last week throwing the football, Lewis said. He did well on everything hes done so far. Hes had none of the issues he was dealing with before. Hes excited about it, and so well continue to allow him to throw further and harder with more regularity.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:55 PM
Ok if he doesn't need surgery why the hell has he been sitting for months on end? Usually when something in your elbow is that messed up it doesn't just heal magically.

cdcox
12-09-2008, 08:56 PM
So what if the Chiefs lose out?

PhilFree:arrow:

We want Seattle to win next week and will have about a 50-50 chance for picks 2 and 3, with St. Louis getting the other one assuming they also lose out.

philfree
12-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Nah. I really think the Chiefs will draft a QB in round one, but it will probably be Bradford.

Herm has been pretty obtuse, and rightfully so, about Thigpen's future, aside from saying that he's definitely a solid #2. To me, these statements don't kill his confidence, since he'll start as the #1 going into next year, but leave the door open for a newly drafted guy to be the heir apparent.

IMO that's the way to handle the QB position no matter who we draft or sign in FA. Thigpen needs to understand that if he's not getting it done then there is someone else waiting in the wings to take his job. We also need options if Thigpen is injured or proves he's not the guy.

PhilFree:arrow:

dirk digler
12-09-2008, 08:57 PM
Ok if he doesn't need surgery why the hell has he been sitting for months on end? Usually when something in your elbow is that messed up it doesn't just heal magically.

Well if he needed surgery they would have put him on IR already because they aren't going anywhere this season. At least that is what real NFL teams do.

I am hoping that he can come back because that is the only shot we have at 2-14. If he doesn't we will beat the Bengals because they are almost as bad as Detroit.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 08:58 PM
What I heard was he may need surgery but they weren't sure, or that one doctor told him he did but he wasn't sure he wanted to do that.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 08:59 PM
I've seen some people around here do it.....

Seems this market would much prefer the cheap game manager QB and that falls alot more in line with what Herm wants.

I know, I know, but this line of thought is so messed up that I have a hard time even taking it seriously. If you can take a chance at acquiring a big-time QB, you have to take that risk.

Just so I'm on record, I believe either Stafford or Bradford will be available at the Chief's selection, and I would draft either. I know we've debated the latter's ability to translate to the pro game b/c of the offense he runs at OU, but I've seen enough to make the following comments:

1. He has the frame to add the necessary weight.
2. He has the arm.
3. He has the accuracy. Though he often throws to uncovered WRs, I've seen him consistently put the ball into tight spaces, too. As scouts say, do it once and we can get you to do it again.

No breakdown for Stafford, who seems a bit better prepared b/c of the particulars of his college career.

So, Mecca, what's your reaction when KC takes Bradford with pick #5 (Stafford off the board at #1)?

bowener
12-09-2008, 09:00 PM
Mecca,

Acknowledging your superior insight to draftees, can you please tell me how good Malcolm Jenkins projects to be? I know you posted a site summary that showed how Mays was the first DB, but I cant remember where it placed Jenkins.

And (2 part question), do you think the Raiders are able to retain Nnamdi Asomugha, or will he bolt for his life and careers sake for less money but higher odds of winning, and do the Raiders try and replace him with Jenkins?

In a similar situation, assuming we pick 5th and dont have a shot at a QB, J. Page's contract is up with us as well. Do we retain him or draft Mays? Or can we draft Mays and retain Page, but slide one of the 2 over to SS and remove Pollard from his duties?

I will sit silently and patiently while awaiting your response.

Thank you.

dirk digler
12-09-2008, 09:00 PM
What I heard was he may need surgery but they weren't sure, or that one doctor told him he did but he wasn't sure he wanted to do that.

Don't know but let's hope he plays at least against us because he knows he won't get hit. :)

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:00 PM
IMO that's the way to handle the QB position no matter who we draft or sign in FA. Thigpen needs to understand that if he's not getting it done then there is someone else waiting in the wings to take his job. We also need options if Thigpen is injured or proves he's not the guy.

PhilFree:arrow:

Agreed. I have no problem with Herm's comments about Thigpen. In fact, they've been refreshing, if anything.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 09:01 PM
So, Mecca, what's your reaction when KC takes Bradford with pick #5 (Stafford off the board at #1)?

Vomitous. I question his accuracy under pressure, his decision making, and I'm nonplussed about his arm.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 09:02 PM
Mecca,

Acknowledging your superior insight to draftees, can you please tell me how good Malcolm Jenkins projects to be? I know you posted a site summary that showed how Mays was the first DB, but I cant remember where it placed Jenkins.

And (2 part question), do you think the Raiders are able to retain Nnamdi Asomugha, or will he bolt for his life and careers sake for less money but higher odds of winning, and do the Raiders try and replace him with Jenkins?

In a similar situation, assuming we pick 5th and dont have a shot at a QB, J. Page's contract is up with us as well. Do we retain him or draft Mays? Or can we draft Mays and retain Page, but slide one of the 2 over to SS and remove Pollard from his duties?

I will sit silently and patiently while awaiting your response.

Thank you.

When I see Malcolm Jenkins I see Antrell Rolle..a guy who is a great college corner that would be an average NFL corner but projects better as a FS.

I think Vontae Davis ends up as the higher rated CB, and the Raiders may tag Asomugha again.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 09:02 PM
Ok if he doesn't need surgery why the hell has he been sitting for months on end? Usually when something in your elbow is that messed up it doesn't just heal magically.

20% tear of his UCL. They don't want to do TJ, because it's an incomplete tear not a full rupture.

the Talking Can
12-09-2008, 09:03 PM
If the Lions don't take Stafford and we don't have the 2nd pick because we ****ed around and won 2 more games I'm gonna be pissed off.

my worst nightmare...it will happen

we can't even lose right....if you're going to suck, then dammit suck all the way...err..you get my drift...

imagine, two years of complete ass and neither puts us in position to draft a QB: Ryan or Stafford


only the Chiefs could manage to suck at sucking

unreal

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Vomitous. I question his accuracy under pressure, his decision making, and I'm nonplussed about his arm.

A. Hard to judge since he routinely has all the time in the world.
B. No problem, but see point A.
C. No problem. It may not be Faavray-like, but he can make all the throws.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 09:05 PM
By NFL standards Bradford has a subpar arm and he's really thin which makes me question what happens if he gets hit...and he really has never had to deal with any kind of pressure.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 09:05 PM
A. Hard to judge since he routinely has all the time in the world.
B. No problem, but see point A.
C. No problem. It may not be Faavray-like, but he can make all the throws.

A. Texas Game
B. Texas Game
C. Disagree.

bowener
12-09-2008, 09:09 PM
When I see Malcolm Jenkins I see Antrell Rolle..a guy who is a great college corner that would be an average NFL corner but projects better as a FS.

I think Vontae Davis ends up as the higher rated CB, and the Raiders may tag Asomugha again.

Thanks! Not that it matters, but when I play madden Jenkins becomes my starting FS when I draft him.

This is for anyone that may know:

Assuming TJ is resigned, does Chad Johnson get traded (and for what) or released this off season? How would that effect the Bengals? Take Crabtree at the top of the round?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Thanks! Not that it matters, but when I play madden Jenkins becomes my starting FS when I draft him.

This is for anyone that may know:

Assuming TJ is resigned, does Chad Johnson get traded (and for what) or released this off season? How would that effect the Bengals? Take Crabtree at the top of the round?

Cincy will be all over the top DE or Oher, Smith, or Monroe.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 09:12 PM
Outside of a Defensive or Offensive lineman the only other thing I could see Cincy doing which would be retarded is taking the home town state boy Chris Wells.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 09:12 PM
A. Hard to judge since he routinely has all the time in the world.
B. No problem, but see point A.
C. No problem. It may not be Faavray-like, but he can make all the throws.

every time I've seen him have an ounce of pressure on him, he pulls a shrinking violet. happened second half against texas. happened a few times in the first half against mizzou. the only chance mizzou had of winning was when they began pressuring bradford... he had something like five straight incompletions, looked like ass. but, our offense couldn't do shit, and we missed out on the opportunity (loss of momentum fucked us over)

anyway. I'd say not to bradford--you can't teach the type of experience stafford has gotten actually having to carry a team. bradford may have the talent, but he lacks the arm and ability to deal with pressure that stafford has HAD to display

philfree
12-09-2008, 09:16 PM
Thanks! Not that it matters, but when I play madden Jenkins becomes my starting FS when I draft him.

This is for anyone that may know:

Assuming TJ is resigned, does Chad Johnson get traded (and for what) or released this off season? How would that effect the Bengals? Take Crabtree at the top of the round?

I'd trade Chad to Detroit for thier 2nd round pick if I had that power. No i don't want to work for the Bungals but i'd enjoy sending the self absorbed jerk to what would amount to hell for him.

PhilFree:arrow:

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:19 PM
every time I've seen him have an ounce of pressure on him, he pulls a shrinking violet. happened second half against texas. happened a few times in the first half against mizzou. the only chance mizzou had of winning was when they began pressuring bradford... he had something like five straight incompletions, looked like ass. but, our offense couldn't do shit, and we missed out on the opportunity (loss of momentum ****ed us over)

anyway. I'd say not to bradford--you can't teach the type of experience stafford has gotten actually having to carry a team. bradford may have the talent, but he lacks the arm and ability to deal with pressure that stafford has HAD to display

The Texas game provides valid points of concern. I'll agree with you and Hamas on this. But are you alluding to the Big XII Championship against Mizzou? If so, I saw no problem here.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 09:25 PM
The Texas game provides valid points of concern. I'll agree with you and Hamas on this. But are you alluding to the Big XII Championship against Mizzou? If so, I saw no problem here.

there was a VERY specific point in the first quarter of the big 12 championship game (yes, against mizzou)--he had a few very bad incompletions in a row (five I think)--as a matter of fact, two of them basically had a guy within a few foot radius of him, and he looked very uncomfortable in the pocket. these are the types of throws the GREAT ones (you know, what they have to be if you spend a top five pick on them) complete. basically: bradford has horrible pocket presence (from what I've seen)

I've seen stafford with more pressure on him, and he's looked very poised and makes the completion.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:31 PM
there was a VERY specific point in the first quarter of the big 12 championship game (yes, against mizzou)--he had a few very bad incompletions in a row (five I think)--as a matter of fact, two of them basically had a guy within a few foot radius of him, and he looked very uncomfortable in the pocket. these are the types of throws the GREAT ones (you know, what they have to be if you spend a top five pick on them) complete. basically: bradford has horrible pocket presence (from what I've seen)

I've seen stafford with more pressure on him, and he's looked very poised and makes the completion.

I'm not remembering this sequence, obviously. In the game thread, however, I remember posting that the Tigers were applying the type of pressure that only the Chiefs could be proud of.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 09:38 PM
I'm not remembering this sequence, obviously. In the game thread, however, I remember posting that the Tigers were applying the type of pressure that only the Chiefs could be proud of.

yeah, overall, they gave him very little pressure, which is one of the reasons I remember that stretch specifically. look, I have nothing against bradford. I think that, given the correct circumstances, he can be a very good (but not great) nfl QB. however, being drafted by the chiefs, he won't BE in the correct circumstances. the right side of our line sucks donkey dick. we have no long-term identity on offense (much as I like the production the spread has given us, I doubt it has legs in the long-term), maybe 1.5 reliable WRs (bowe plus half of bradley--if he can stay healthy, he's good. but that's been the knock on him his whole career), and we're not sure if gonzo will be here longterm. don't even get me STARTED on our running game.

so, long story short, I believe stafford is the only QB in the draft class (maybe nate davis can be a 2-3 round guy to develop--HA, this team develop a qb? good fucking luck) who has the pocket presence, poise, arm, intangibles, etc. that a great QB has to have. I don't really see bradford having any of those traits.

the Talking Can
12-09-2008, 09:46 PM
if you draft bradley, you need to be willing to sit him a couple of years...i think the "green bay" treatment would give him a shot....

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 09:48 PM
if you draft bradford, you need to be willing to sit him a couple of years...i think the "green bay" treatment would give him a shot....

FYP (bradley? we already have a bradley)

I agree though. you sit him a few years, acclimate him to nfl pressure in the preseason and in practice, and build your offense exactly around him (essentially, give him the caliber of weapons and line he had at oklahoma). I think he can be VERY good in the right circumstances. we just don't have those circumstances right now, and any QB we draft will likely start at least halfway through their first year.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:51 PM
yeah, overall, they gave him very little pressure, which is one of the reasons I remember that stretch specifically. look, I have nothing against bradford. I think that, given the correct circumstances, he can be a very good (but not great) nfl QB. however, being drafted by the chiefs, he won't BE in the correct circumstances. the right side of our line sucks donkey dick. we have no long-term identity on offense (much as I like the production the spread has given us, I doubt it has legs in the long-term), maybe 1.5 reliable WRs (bowe plus half of bradley--if he can stay healthy, he's good. but that's been the knock on him his whole career), and we're not sure if gonzo will be here longterm. don't even get me STARTED on our running game.

so, long story short, I believe stafford is the only QB in the draft class (maybe nate davis can be a 2-3 round guy to develop--HA, this team develop a qb? good ****ing luck) who has the pocket presence, poise, arm, intangibles, etc. that a great QB has to have. I don't really see bradford having any of those traits.

You may be right. I'm not going to deny this, but, with both Stafford and Bradford, we're talking about two highly productive and skilled college QBs. Both might hit. Both might bust, or it could be Manning-Leaf II. All I'm saying is that I'm willing to take the risk.

For what it's worth, I think it's a bit tough to put together a convincing, cogent critique of Bradford's intangibles, given his Playstation-like production, and the overall winning percentage of his team.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:52 PM
if you draft bradley, you need to be willing to sit him a couple of years...i think the "green bay" treatment would give him a shot....

I'm fine with being patient if we acquire someone whom the organization believes is "the one." Oh, assuming this "one" doesn't get hurt when he sneezes. He has to weigh more than 160 lbs, for example.

the Talking Can
12-09-2008, 09:53 PM
FYP (bradley? we already have a bradley)

I agree though. you sit him a few years, acclimate him to nfl pressure in the preseason and in practice, and build your offense exactly around him (essentially, give him the caliber of weapons and line he had at oklahoma). I think he can be VERY good in the right circumstances. we just don't have those circumstances right now, and any QB we draft will likely start at least halfway through their first year.

err...bradford...

and i agree, and you need a very smart OC....i'm not as down on him as others, but i agree he has a lot to learn/prove in regards to nfl level intensity...

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 09:54 PM
You may be right. I'm not going to deny this, but, with both Stafford and Bradford, we're talking about two highly productive and skilled college QBs. Both might hit. Both might bust, or it could be Manning-Leaf II. All I'm saying is that I'm willing to take the risk.

For what it's worth, I think it's a bit tough to put together a convincing, cogent critique of Bradford's intangibles, given his Playstation-like production, and the overall winning percentage of his team.

correct. all we really have to go on is those few instances where he faces a bit of pressure. whereas with stafford, we've seen him face a LOT of pressure, make a LOT of throws into tight windows (with WRs that can't get open--'nfl' throws), and show poise/pocket presence.

we just don't have that data on bradford. in the few times I've seen it, he just doesn't look like a guy I draft in the top five. now, if I'm picking in the latter half of the first round, have the infrastructure in place, I definately take him. but if my team is a fucking wreck (like the chiefs currently are), I run from bradford like I stole a laptop.

philfree
12-09-2008, 10:01 PM
FYP (bradley? we already have a bradley)

I agree though. you sit him a few years, acclimate him to nfl pressure in the preseason and in practice, and build your offense exactly around him (essentially, give him the caliber of weapons and line he had at oklahoma). I think he can be VERY good in the right circumstances. we just don't have those circumstances right now, and any QB we draft will likely start at least halfway through their first year.

Who were/are the most recent 1st round QBs to sit for a while but were/are successful once they became "The Man"?

PhilFree:arrow:

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 10:05 PM
there was a VERY specific point in the first quarter of the big 12 championship game (yes, against mizzou)--he had a few very bad incompletions in a row (five I think)--as a matter of fact, two of them basically had a guy within a few foot radius of him, and he looked very uncomfortable in the pocket. these are the types of throws the GREAT ones (you know, what they have to be if you spend a top five pick on them) complete. basically: bradford has horrible pocket presence (from what I've seen)

I've seen stafford with more pressure on him, and he's looked very poised and makes the completion.

Yeah.

Sulak, and Spoon were able to get some pressure on him and he made some terrible throws.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 10:15 PM
You can see the difference in a guy like Bradford and even Sanchez in just things like that, Sanchez will stand up right in the face of pressure to make his throw knowing he will get hit.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:15 PM
Who were/are the most recent 1st round QBs to sit for a while but were/are successful once they became "The Man"?

PhilFree:arrow:

hmmm.... off the top of my head? phillip rivers and aaron rodgers.

after a quick google search...

2000: chad pennington (don't recall: did he sit? I believe he did. he was reasonably serviceable, but not 'great'--bordered on very good at times)
2001: drew brees (top of second round) --sat his first year, he's ended up great
2002: pat ramsey--didn't sit (played intermittently during his first year), sucked.
2003: kyle boller (didn't sit, started first nine games, out with injury rest of time)--sucked overall. rex grossman: only played a game or two at the end of his first season... has sucked overall, but been serviceable at times (not a guy you build around, but can get you to the playoffs)
2004: jp losman: injured/sat most of his first season. has been serviceable at times, but again, not a guy you build around
2005: rodgers (been covered already), jason campbell: sat pretty much his first two years in the league (started last seven games of his second year)--has looked very good at times, maybe a guy you can rely on.
2006: no QBs in end of first round or beginning of second round to judge
2007: brady quinn: sat, and looked good at times this year. can he be 'the man' long term? who knows. but he has potential. kevin kolb, john beck, and drew stanton (top of second round)--have sat, and nobody knows how they'll end up.
2008: flacco. hasn't sat, looks great

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:16 PM
Yeah.

Sulak, and Spoon were able to get some pressure on him and he made some terrible throws.

THANK YOU. glad somebody else was paying enough attention to remember that.

rep.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 10:17 PM
You didn't put Matt Ryan or Carson Palmer on your list..that's odd.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 10:18 PM
THANK YOU. glad somebody else was paying enough attention to remember that.

rep.

Even my wife commented on it while watching the game. He just flat panics when someone gets in his face. If Mizzou had even been able to put the kind of non-productive pressure they had on Reesing on Bradford, it's a close game.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:21 PM
You didn't put Matt Ryan or Carson Palmer on your list..that's odd.

I was only doing QBs in the end of the first round and beginning of the second round--traditionally the guys that go to situations with good 'infrastructure' and are ABLE to sit. you KNEW guys like ryan, palmer, alex smith, and the rest of the guys in the top fifteen picks were gonna have to start some time in their first year, regardless of infrastructure. that's why my list only had (mostly) guys in the end of the first round

Mecca
12-09-2008, 10:22 PM
Actually Palmer didn't play his 1st year.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:23 PM
Even my wife commented on it while watching the game. He just flat panics when someone gets in his face. If Mizzou had even been able to put the kind of non-productive pressure they had on Reesing on Bradford, it's a close game.

the optimist in me wonders how the game turns out if we continue putting even a BIT of pressure on him, and if that fickle bitch 'momentum' had gone our way (read: we don't piss down our leg offensively). I believe it's a different outcome, but who the fuck knows. there were points in the last two big 12 championship games where we have momentum, and we fuck it up.

welcome to missouri sports, fans. we piss down our leg worse than scorp's kids do when daddy goes off halfcocked.

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Actually Palmer didn't play his 1st year.

yeah, I know. kitna played. but the point still stands--guys in the first fifteen picks GENERALLY play immediately.

look at it this way-- I'm advocating taking stafford in the top five (if we can get him, which I believe won't happen--good shit doesn't happen to chiefs' fans) because he CAN play immediately and won't get fucked over.

I'm advocating NOT taking bradford unless a good team trades into the top ten--a team that can let him sit and not worry about him sitting.

shit, am I gonna have to redo my list? cause I was pretty sure I was specific enough and made it obvious that it was mostly end of first round/beginning of second round guys.

aturnis
12-09-2008, 10:31 PM
IMO that's the way to handle the QB position no matter who we draft or sign in FA. Thigpen needs to understand that if he's not getting it done then there is someone else waiting in the wings to take his job. We also need options if Thigpen is injured or proves he's not the guy.

PhilFree:arrow:

I'm sure Thigpen already know's if he doesn't perform, he won't keep the starting job. He's a 7th rounder from nowhere. Believe me, he knows.

philfree
12-09-2008, 10:36 PM
hmmm.... off the top of my head? phillip rivers and aaron rodgers.

after a quick google search...

2000: chad pennington (don't recall: did he sit? I believe he did. he was reasonably serviceable, but not 'great'--bordered on very good at times)
2001: drew brees (top of second round) --sat his first year, he's ended up great
2002: pat ramsey--didn't sit (played intermittently during his first year), sucked.
2003: kyle boller (didn't sit, started first nine games, out with injury rest of time)--sucked overall. rex grossman: only played a game or two at the end of his first season... has sucked overall, but been serviceable at times (not a guy you build around, but can get you to the playoffs)
2004: jp losman: injured/sat most of his first season. has been serviceable at times, but again, not a guy you build around
2005: rodgers (been covered already), jason campbell: sat pretty much his first two years in the league (started last seven games of his second year)--has looked very good at times, maybe a guy you can rely on.
2006: no QBs in end of first round or beginning of second round to judge
2007: brady quinn: sat, and looked good at times this year. can he be 'the man' long term? who knows. but he has potential. kevin kolb, john beck, and drew stanton (top of second round)--have sat, and nobody knows how they'll end up.
2008: flacco. hasn't sat, looks great

Thank you. The point to my question I guess is 'how's sitting these QBs working out?' It's an old argument. Sit the guy or throw him into the frey? Seems like the guys who have played QB say play them but many coaches say let'm sit for awhile. Not all coaches say that though. I guess it depends on the player in question.

PhilFree:arrow:

boogblaster
12-09-2008, 10:40 PM
Thiggy might not be our QBotF but we need a pass rusher and some linebackers bad ..

Mecca
12-09-2008, 10:42 PM
Thiggy might not be our QBotF but we need a pass rusher and some linebackers bad ..

We need lots of things bad...

Ebolapox
12-09-2008, 10:46 PM
we're a shitty team. shitty teams tend to have a lot of needs. is a franchise QB important? fuck yes. is it more important than pass rusher and linebackers? yes, I believe so. now, am I saying ignore those positions? hell no. in a DREAM world, we lose out and SOMEHOW get stafford, sign terrell suggs in free agency, and a good MLB falls into the second round (and we get a serviceable center in the third round, and a contributing LB in the fourth round).

but this is real life, not madden fucking 2009. this is the chiefs. none of that shit will ever happen.

RedThat
12-09-2008, 10:51 PM
It all starts with the lines imo.

if you wanna improve your team build around both offensive and defensive lines.

pass rusher is a must. and improving that right side of the line is also a must.

if we go with thigpen next year, they'll need to give this kid some line help to in order for him to have a chance to succeed.

plus, we know what a passrusher can do for this defense? JA last year was a major difference.

defense wasn't exactly a world beater last year but it is a heck of a lot better then the defense were fielding now a difference of night and day. Id go with defensive and offensive line in the first 2 rounds. draft a passrusher in the 1st and go with a guard or center in the 2nd round.

if they cant do that, then this team should be looking at LBers as there 2nd option

Mecca
12-09-2008, 10:51 PM
we're a shitty team. shitty teams tend to have a lot of needs. is a franchise QB important? fuck yes. is it more important than pass rusher and linebackers? yes, I believe so. now, am I saying ignore those positions? hell no. in a DREAM world, we lose out and SOMEHOW get stafford, sign terrell suggs in free agency, and a good MLB falls into the second round (and we get a serviceable center in the third round, and a contributing LB in the fourth round).

but this is real life, not madden fucking 2009. this is the chiefs. none of that shit will ever happen.

Yea some teams can actually pull that crazy shit off, this team isn't one of them.

aturnis
12-09-2008, 11:22 PM
Maybe you're right. Given the play of Ryan and Flacco, however, it's going to be a little tougher to do that with a straight face.

What's Flacco done?

Joe Flacco

TDS INT YDS RTG
13 10 2,410 81.3


Tyler Thigpen

TDS INT YDS RTG
14 8 1,926 77.3

I was big on Flacco before the draft. Still am, I think he plays with heart and gives his team a chance to win. His numbers aren't too impressive though. Really nothing to brag about.

In my eyes, he bigger Tyler Thigpen. That's all, heart and a will to win. Nothing too impressive stat wise though.

If you factor in the fact that Thigpen played in an offense that he wasn't comfortable in against Oakland, Atlanta, Carolina and Tennessee the first seven weeks, he starts to look a bit better than Flacco.

I like the way the Chiefs are bringing Thigpen along. A lot of Shotgun, then the "pistol", getting him closer to being under center. All the while a bit of under center sprinkled in.

With an entire offseason and training camp to work on playing from under center, I'd think Thigpen would be MUCH more comfortable there. Especially now KNOWING he has a shot at being a starter in this league. I'd think he would work on his drop and footwork quite a bit.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2008, 10:14 AM
bump for update

Frankie
12-16-2008, 10:47 AM
If we and the Rams lose out we should be picking ahead of them. Their next two opponents (SF and Atlanta) have slightly better combined record than ours (Miami and Cinci). We can guarantee the second pick by losing out.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2008, 10:53 AM
If we and the Rams lose out we should be picking ahead of them. Their next two opponents (SF and Atlanta) have slightly better combined record than ours (Miami and Cinci).

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bowener
12-16-2008, 11:17 AM
So here is my hope. Since Peterson is canned, and Herm's job is up in there air, but realistically over, I think the players will play like shit to end the season. They are worried what will happen to their chances to play next year under a new system. The only reason I hope this is that it gives me hope that we lose to Miami (probable, though it is very cold in Arrowhead right now), and importantly, we lose to the Bungles in week 17. If we do this, what are the chances we pick at the #2 spot?

edit:

Thanks.

If we and the Rams lose out we should be picking ahead of them. Their next two opponents (SF and Atlanta) have slightly better combined record than ours (Miami and Cinci). We can guarantee the second pick by losing out.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2008, 11:34 AM
gotta lose to cincy with their .574 strength of schedule

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2008, 11:38 AM
If Cincy beats Cleveland (likely) and St. Louis beats SF (possible) and we lose to the Phins, we lock up the #2 draft choice.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2008, 11:41 AM
If Cincy beats Cleveland (likely) and St. Louis beats SF (possible) and we lose to the Phins, we lock up the #2 draft choice.
even with Dorsey, i don't know how likely it is that Cincy beats Cleveland.

cincy looks to have given up .... Cleveland hasn't


possible, yes

likely, not really imo

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2008, 11:44 AM
even with Dorsey, i don't know how likely it is that Cincy beats Cleveland.

cincy looks to have given up .... Cleveland hasn't


possible, yes

likely, not really imo

Cincy just beat the Redskins, and they've been competitive in most of their games. The Browns haven't scored an offensive touchdown in a month.

Fairplay
12-16-2008, 11:48 AM
St.Louis is playing pretty bad.

SF will most likely win.

cdcox
12-16-2008, 05:38 PM
If Cincy beats Cleveland (likely) and St. Louis beats SF (possible) and we lose to the Phins, we lock up the #2 draft choice.

You would have to add us losing to Cincy in the final week to make this statement true. Otherwise you could have us, Seattle and St. Louis all tied at 3-11. We would lose some of the possible strength of scheudle tie-breakers, especially to Seattle.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2008, 06:40 PM
You would have to add us losing to Cincy in the final week to make this statement true. Otherwise you could have us, Seattle and St. Louis all tied at 3-11. We would lose some of the possible strength of scheudle tie-breakers, especially to Seattle.

What does Cincy dip our SOS to?

cdcox
12-16-2008, 07:02 PM
What does Cincy dip our SOS to?

I've already included Cincy in my SOS calcs as doe the site that Laz is pulling from. I've got another thread coming in a minute that outlines how this weeks games could affect SOS.

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2008, 08:01 PM
I've already included Cincy in my SOS calcs as doe the site that Laz is pulling from.

www.gbnreport.com

whoman69
12-16-2008, 08:07 PM
The worst we could get if we won out is the #6 pick. I don't see us beating the Dolphins unless they play down to their competition. Even if we just beat the Bengals then #6 is a possibility, but Oakland and Seattle both play teams at or over .500 the rest of the season. Oakland has Houston and Tampa Bay while Seattle has the Jets and the Cardinals. That means our opponent winning percentage will go down while theirs are rising.

Count Alex's Wins
12-16-2008, 08:22 PM
Remember how much fun the draft was last year? It's gonna REALLY kick ass this season!

I made this post last April and never thought in my wildest dreams it would come true!

I think we should go 3-13 every year. Today was awesome.

Frankie
12-16-2008, 08:51 PM
No matter how we do this week, I'm rooting for Cinci, Seattle and Oakland to win.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2008, 08:59 PM
i pretty much look at it this way


if we lose our last 2 games, we get the #2 pick

if we win 1 and lose 1, we get the 5th pick

if we win 1 and lose 1, but the one we win is vs cincy then we get the 6th pick

if we win both, we prolly still pick 6th but outside chance at picking 7th


not guaranteed i suppose ..... but prolly is the way it will work out imo


heh ... oh ya, if we lose both and detroit wins both then we pick first. :D

Guru
12-16-2008, 11:09 PM
Come on Detroit!!!! Pull off the miracle.

cdcox
12-17-2008, 12:07 AM
heh ... oh ya, if we lose both and detroit wins both then we pick first. :D

If we lose both and Detroit wins both, we are 80% sure of getting the first overall pick.

Reerun_KC
12-17-2008, 12:10 AM
We can do this, we can lose out, and get a top 2 pick....

With the cap space, New GM and his coaching staff, we can have something we havent had in years!

That is a true direction and a coaching staff that can develop and build a team around a franchise QB...

This is like a dream coming true!

whoman69
12-17-2008, 12:24 AM
i pretty much look at it this way


if we lose our last 2 games, we get the #2 pick

if we win 1 and lose 1, we get the 5th pick

if we win 1 and lose 1, but the one we win is vs cincy then we get the 6th pick

if we win both, we prolly still pick 6th but outside chance at picking 7th


not guaranteed i suppose ..... but prolly is the way it will work out imo


heh ... oh ya, if we lose both and detroit wins both then we pick first. :D

Strength of schedule could not bring us below Cleveland whose strength of schedule is already half a percent higher than ours while we still have a common opponent coming up in Cincinnati and they have Pittsburg to our Miami. #6 is as low as we could go. I believe even if we beat Cincy, we only drop to 4th.

cdcox
12-17-2008, 12:31 AM
Strength of schedule could not bring us below Cleveland whose strength of schedule is already half a percent higher than ours while we still have a common opponent coming up in Cincinnati and they have Pittsburg to our Miami. #6 is as low as we could go. I believe even if we beat Cincy, we only drop to 4th.

If we beat Cincy and lose to Miami, we could draft any where from 2nd to 5th:

2nd 5%
3rd 29%
4th 44%
5th 22%

Tribal Warfare
12-17-2008, 06:08 AM
Come on Detroit!!!! Pull off the miracle.

With Carl gone, anything is possible, now if the Football Gods help us on the Detroit front so they win out.

Mr. Laz
12-22-2008, 11:22 PM
bump for update

Mr. Laz
12-22-2008, 11:26 PM
we're might be screwed unless st. louis wins their last game

Guru
12-22-2008, 11:28 PM
Have faith.

aturnis
12-22-2008, 11:43 PM
we're might be screwed unless st. louis wins their last game

What? Chicago beat Green Bay and Giants beat the Panthers. All we need to worry about is the Chiefs having the same outcome as the Rams and having 4 out of 5 games fall our way. A lot of them could easily do that too.

blueballs
12-22-2008, 11:44 PM
how many JRs stay in school
afraid they'll get drafted by the Lions

Mr. Laz
12-23-2008, 10:58 AM
What? Chicago beat Green Bay and Giants beat the Panthers. All we need to worry about is the Chiefs having the same outcome as the Rams and having 4 out of 5 games fall our way. A lot of them could easily do that too.

LMAO

ya, that's all

Luzap
12-23-2008, 11:21 AM
We can pick no lower than 3rd... right?

Luz
am i thinking right???...

cdcox
12-23-2008, 11:47 AM
We can pick no lower than 3rd... right?

Luz
am i thinking right???...

Yep.

Frankie
12-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Who are the Rams playing next week, and are their record better than Cinci?

Coach
12-23-2008, 12:38 PM
LMAO

ya, that's all

Well, remember the 06 season where the Chiefs needed some help to "back" in the playoffs?

Anything is possible on a given Sunday.

Stryker
12-23-2008, 12:46 PM
Who are the Rams playing next week, and are their record better than Cinci?

Atlanta - yes better than Cinci.

Frankie
12-23-2008, 12:56 PM
Atlanta - yes better than Cinci.

That means if we both lose or win, we should get the 2nd pick. Because the Rams oponents have a better record.

cdcox
12-23-2008, 01:02 PM
That means if we both lose or win, we should get the 2nd pick. Because the Rams oponents have a better record.

No.

In the opening post it states: "Ed note: Opponents' combuined W-L % is for all 16 teams on a team's schedule as opposed to only those they have played to date."

That means Cinci's W-L record has already been figured in to the Chiefs' strength of schedule. The only thing that has to be added in are the week 17 games of all of the Chiefs' opponents and all of the Rams' opponents.

It is pretty complex, and I've broken it down in this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=198912

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 01:16 PM
It will be interesting to see if we get screwed over by the Rams pick at #2. I have a hard time figuring out what position they would be looking to fill with that pick.

OT jumps out as a choice, but Pace and Barron will still be with the team next year. They took a DE last year, so that won't be a choice. They also took Avery last year as a WR, so I don't think they'd take one at #2. I really hope they don't try to blow it up and look for a QB.

Manila-Chief
12-23-2008, 01:19 PM
Am I correct? We pick no worse than 3rd.? It looks to me that if 2 of the underclassmen QB's come out we will have a shot at one of them???

I'm assuming the Lions will select a QB if one is there they like??? St. Loser already has a QB ... correct? .... so, regardless where we finish ... if there are 2 QB's we should be able to make the decision on him? Correct??????

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 01:35 PM
I wouldn't completely rule out that St. Louis could take a QB. They have Bulger on their roster but if the new GM comes in and gets a new coach....they could be looking for that QB like us. The only thing that could stop them is Bulger's contract.

They need to fix that D though and OT could be the pick as well. I don't think Pace will be coming back next year and Barron isn't anything special.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2008, 10:58 AM
i know everyone pretty much knows this already ..... but finishing what i started.


bump

Rain Man
12-29-2008, 12:01 PM
It will be interesting to see if we get screwed over by the Rams pick at #2. I have a hard time figuring out what position they would be looking to fill with that pick.

OT jumps out as a choice, but Pace and Barron will still be with the team next year. They took a DE last year, so that won't be a choice. They also took Avery last year as a WR, so I don't think they'd take one at #2. I really hope they don't try to blow it up and look for a QB.

Pace is still with the team, but in the same way that a security guy is with the Star Trek team when they beam down to a planet.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2008, 12:07 PM
btw ...... when you are tied they alternate each round, so we get the 2nd pick in round 2, which is good.

Rooster
12-29-2008, 12:22 PM
btw ...... when you are tied they alternate each round, so we get the 2nd pick in round 2, which is good.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

KChiefs1
01-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Draft board finally takes shape... Home-field advantage in the NFL conference semi-final games finally paid off for Pittsburgh which knocked off San Diego after the other three home teams in this weekend's playoff games were all upset. And with the Chargers' loss the opening round selection order for the 2009 draft firmed up significantly.

San Diego will pick 16th, while the Jets, Chicago, Tampa Bay and Detroit with a pick acquired from Dallas will pick 17th through 20th.

Meanwhile, the loser of next Sunday's NFC final between Arizona and Philadelphia will select 21st with Minnesota, New England, Atlanta and Miami locked into the 22nd through the 25th picks respectively. Picks from #26 on down still have to be decided with the exception of the 30th pick which belongs to Tennessee, which had had the best record of any team in the league, no matter what happens the rest of the playoffs.

OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2009, 08:00 PM
Draft board finally takes shape... Home-field advantage in the NFL conference semi-final games finally paid off for Pittsburgh which knocked off San Diego after the other three home teams in this weekend's playoff games were all upset. And with the Chargers' loss the opening round selection order for the 2009 draft firmed up significantly.

San Diego will pick 16th, while the Jets, Chicago, Tampa Bay and Detroit with a pick acquired from Dallas will pick 17th through 20th.

Meanwhile, the loser of next Sunday's NFC final between Arizona and Philadelphia will select 21st with Minnesota, New England, Atlanta and Miami locked into the 22nd through the 25th picks respectively. Picks from #26 on down still have to be decided with the exception of the 30th pick which belongs to Tennessee, which had had the best record of any team in the league, no matter what happens the rest of the playoffs.



Link?

How can San Diego be picking 16th when they were a final 8 team?

The Bad Guy
01-11-2009, 08:02 PM
Link?

How can San Diego be picking 16th when they were a final 8 team?

Because unless you make it to the SB, they go by record to determine the draft order.

kstater
01-11-2009, 08:02 PM
Link?

How can San Diego be picking 16th when they were a final 8 team?

Based on record I'd assume.

rad
01-11-2009, 08:02 PM
This

kstater
01-11-2009, 08:03 PM
This

That

OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2009, 08:03 PM
Because unless you make it to the SB, they go by record to determine the draft order.

Hmmm.

I thought once you got into the playoffs, the deeper you went, the later you picked.

Interesting.

Mr. Laz
01-11-2009, 08:14 PM
OP updated since thread was already bumped