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Ari Chi3fs
11-16-2008, 05:27 PM
Steelers win it... 11-10

Kind of an interesting score, isn't it?

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 05:28 PM
Marty and Herm would be proud....

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
NFL.com shows 17-10.

It's wrong.

milkman
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
Didn't Polumalu score a defensive TD at the end to make the final 17-10?

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
Nope was watching the game, illegal forward pass, time expired. Game over...

Ari Chi3fs
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
it was called an illegal forward pass... and the play was nullified.

milkman
11-16-2008, 05:31 PM
Nope was watching the game, illegal forward pass, time expired. Game over...

Oh. ok.

I turned the TV as soon as the clock ran out and Polomalu appeared to score, so I missed the penalty.

chiefs1111
11-16-2008, 05:31 PM
great stuff

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:32 PM
So many gamblers just took it up the ass, then didn't, and then the other gamblers took it up the ass.

milkman
11-16-2008, 05:34 PM
So many gamblers just took it up the ass, then didn't, and then the other gamblers took it up the ass.

If gambling leads to anything going up the ass, I'm glad I don't gamble.

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 05:35 PM
If gambling leads to anything going up the ass, I'm glad I don't gamble.

ROFL

Baconeater
11-16-2008, 05:35 PM
Anyone who bet on San Diego in the casino needs to PM me. Fucking dumbass refs. :shake:

The Bad Guy
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
What a fucking joke of a call.

I bet the fucking ref had money on the Chargers.

That is just terrible.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2008, 05:38 PM
I'm still trying to figure out where the penalty was.

The toss from Chambers (?) was clearly backwards, and Polumalu scooped it up and scored.

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm still trying to figure out where the penalty was.

The toss from Chambers (?) was clearly backwards, and Polumalu scooped it up and scored.

Called it an illegal foward pass....

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm still trying to figure out where the penalty was.

The toss from Chambers (?) was clearly backwards, and Polumalu scooped it up and scored.

There was no penalty. It was a blown call.

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm still trying to figure out where the penalty was.

The toss from Chambers (?) was clearly backwards, and Polumalu scooped it up and scored.

I'm not sure either. I rewound it a couple times and didn't see anything that looked illegal to me. I'd bet that'll end up on "official review" this week. I'll keep an eye out for it.

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
What a ****ing joke of a call.

I bet the ****ing ref had money on the Chargers.

That is just terrible.
total load of horseshit. Had no effect on the outcome at all just let it stand.:shake: I can't believe they took the time to even review it.

Phobia
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
It's mind-boggling, that's what it is. That ref was completely lost at that moment.

orange
11-16-2008, 05:40 PM
I think the penalty might have been on Polumalu batting it forward to himself.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2008, 05:41 PM
There was no penalty. It was a blown call.

That's what I thought.

To make matters worse, they REVIEWED it, and STILL made the wrong call.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
That's what I thought.

To make matters worse, they REVIEWED it, and STILL made the wrong call.

They did it to punish Polamalu for the play he made. They'll never admit it, but that's why.

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
That's what I thought.

To make matters worse, they REVIEWED it, and STILL made the wrong call.Maybe the NFL will reverse the reversal. JFC

The Bad Guy
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
Anyone who doesn't believe that the NFL is without corruption can watch this play 100 times.

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
I think the penalty might have been on Polumalu batting it forward to himself.

Perhaps, but someone "declined" the penalty. If it had been a penalty on Pittsburg, there's no way in hell that SD would have declined it. I know they eventually decided no one could decline it anyway, but he wouldn't have said that if the penalty were on Pittsburg IMO.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2008, 05:44 PM
What was the spread on this game?

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:45 PM
sure looked like a lateral to me for crying out loud.

Baconeater
11-16-2008, 05:45 PM
What was the spread on this game?
4 points.

The Bad Guy
11-16-2008, 05:45 PM
What was the spread on this game?

4.5

orange
11-16-2008, 05:46 PM
Perhaps, but someone "declined" the penalty. If it had been a penalty on Pittsburg, there's no way in hell that SD would have declined it. I know they eventually decided no one could decline it anyway, but he wouldn't have said that if the penalty were on Pittsburg IMO.

SD would have declined if the penalty didn't result in them getting the ball back. This might have been something to do with the "Immaculate Deception" rule.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2008, 05:46 PM
4.5

I rarely, if ever participate in conspiracy theories, but that sums it up, IMO.

Someone had money on the Bolts to cover...

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:47 PM
SD would have declined if the penalty didn't result in them getting the ball back. This might have been something to do with the "Immaculate Deception" rule.

Hmm...maybe. It's still a stretch, but it's a possibility. I wonder if that's shown in the play-by-play...

KCChiefsMan
11-16-2008, 05:48 PM
Anyone who doesn't believe that the NFL is without corruption can watch this play 100 times.

yup, there is no other explanation. The refs were covering the spread

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
Here's the official NFL.com play-by-play on the call:

(:05) (Shotgun) 17-P.Rivers pass short middle to 21-L.Tomlinson to SD 24 for 3 yards. Lateral to 89-C.Chambers to SD 26 for 2 yards (43-T.Polamalu). FUMBLES (43-T.Polamalu), RECOVERED by PIT-43-T.Polamalu at SD 12. 43-T.Polamalu for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Assistant challenged the backward pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 17-P.Rivers pass short middle to 21-L.Tomlinson, dead ball declared at SD 26 for 5 yards. PENALTY on SD-21-L.Tomlinson, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at SD 5.

Anyone got it on DVR still that can see if Tomlinson threw it forward?

orange
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
Hmm...maybe. It's still a stretch, but it's a possibility. I wonder if that's shown in the play-by-play...

I don't think declined penalties are shown in the play-by-play. It will no doubt be talked about by the media, though.

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:50 PM
Here's the official NFL.com play-by-play on the call:



Anyone got it on DVR still that can see if Tomlinson threw it forward?

If thats the case, there should have been 2 seconds put back on the clock to run one more play.

OnTheWarpath58
11-16-2008, 05:51 PM
If thats the case, there should have been 2 seconds put back on the clock to run one more play.

I'm guessing that penalty would be subject to the 10-second run-off rule...

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:52 PM
Here's the official NFL.com play-by-play on the call:



Anyone got it on DVR still that can see if Tomlinson threw it forward?Wait. They are saying Tomlinson's was the illegal forward? That was more backwards than the second lateral. WTF

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:53 PM
Wait. They are saying Tomlinson's was the illegal forward? That was more backwards than the second lateral. WTF

There is no way anyone would ever call that a forward pass.

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:54 PM
There is no way anyone would ever call that a forward pass.Well, NFL.com just did.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:54 PM
Hmm...maybe. It's still a stretch, but it's a possibility. I wonder if that's shown in the play-by-play...

Tapping the ball forward is perfectly legal, and it's impossible to judge the intent. This isn't the holy roller play where Casper was fumbling it forward, this was done through the air.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 05:55 PM
Well, NFL.com just did.

Mike Pereira is also about as credible as the Iraqi Information Minister.

Guru
11-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Mike Pereira is also about as credible as the Iraqi Information Minister.Damn POS.

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:59 PM
This whole deal does make me wonder:

If an illegal forward pass (either because it's a 2nd forward pass or because the passer is beyond the LOS) is intercepted, does that mean the play is dead and the passing team retains possession? If so, that's BS.

DaFace
11-16-2008, 05:59 PM
Replay probably coming up on NBC.

Baconeater
11-16-2008, 06:00 PM
FB Night in America is reviewing the game right now.

milkman
11-16-2008, 06:00 PM
Highlights on NBC now.

milkman
11-16-2008, 06:01 PM
Useless fucking bastards

DaFace
11-16-2008, 06:01 PM
Fuckers - they didn't show it! "Clearly an illegal forward pass on the replay." If that's the case, then show it assholes!

:cuss:

Baconeater
11-16-2008, 06:01 PM
LOL, they conveniently didn't show the play at all, but Olberman assured us there was CLEARLY a forward pass.

notorious
11-16-2008, 06:01 PM
Referees blow calls all the time, especially with replay. People get pissed, but ultimately get over it.

When an obvious call is blown and it effects a lot of people's money, it probably won't go away as easily.

cdcox
11-16-2008, 06:03 PM
Useless ****ing bastards

But Oberman said it was clearly a forward pass.

orange
11-16-2008, 06:04 PM
Referees blow calls all the time, especially with replay. People get pissed, but ultimately get over it.

When an obvious call is blown and it effects a lot of people's money, it probably won't go away as easily.


Jim Nantz already made a back-door mention of the betting line on air:

"I know a lot of people are happy that the final is 11-10."

:doh!:

Skip Towne
11-16-2008, 06:04 PM
LOL, they conveniently didn't show the play at all, but Olberman assured us there was CLEARLY a forward pass.

It wasn't clear enough for me to see it.

notorious
11-16-2008, 06:04 PM
Jesus, the NFL is almost like Communist USSR. Everyone in the world may see something obvious, but the government/NFL uppers will completetly deny it and ignore whatever fallout comes from it.

Guru
11-16-2008, 06:04 PM
But Oberman said it was clearly a forward pass.Olberman is a complete IDIOT too.

milkman
11-16-2008, 06:05 PM
But Oberman said it was clearly a forward pass.

I was going to respond twice, but you must have deleted the first post at the very second I quoted it.

Anyway, Olberman can suck your abacus.

Marcellus
11-16-2008, 06:13 PM
If LT fumbled the ball forward at the end then the call was made correctly.

Guru
11-16-2008, 06:13 PM
If LT fumbled the ball forward at the end then the call was made correctly.He didn't.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 06:19 PM
The only argument that they could make was that Polamalu's tap constituted a pass, which would be complete bullshit and totally indefensible...

In the way back machine:

A moment of celebration by San Diego receiver Vincent Jackson turned into 10 minutes of confusion in the fourth quarter of the Chargers game with the rival Oakland Raiders.
With the Chargers trailing 14-7 and facing fourth-and-2 from the Raiders 40, Jackson caught a 13-yard pass from Philip Rivers, rolled to the ground untouched, then stood up and spun the ball forward. Oakland’s Fabian Washington jumped on the ball, believing it was a fumble, and setting off 10 minutes of confusion as the referees sorted it out.
Referee Mike Carey originally signaled Oakland’s possession, but then the Chargers were flagged for illegal forward pass. Even with the 5-yard penalty for the illegal pass, the Chargers still had a first down, at the 32. Four plays later, LaDainian Tomlinson threw a 19-yard touchdown pass to Antonio Gates to tie the game at 14.
While the call was questioned on the field, NFL Supervisor of Officials Mike Pereira confirmed to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that the call was correct — and not without precedent. It is illegal to intentionally fumble a ball forward and, by rule, an illegal forward fumble is an incomplete pass. That makes it a dead ball. A 5-yard penalty is then assessed from the spot. Jackson spinning the ball forward when he was not down by contact constituted an intentional illegal forward fumble and thus an illegal forward pass. Had he spun it backward, it would have been a live fumble. A similar call was made when Plaxico Burress did the same thing with the Steelers on Oct. 1, 2000.





This all stems from the Holy Roller play in the Raiders/Chargers game 30+ years ago.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 06:20 PM
Furthermore, from the NFL rulebook:


A backward pass in flight may not be batted forward by an offensive player.It wasn't batted forward by an offensive player though, it was done by Polamalu, batting it "forward" towards his endzone. Thus, the refs got the play wrong.

Guru
11-16-2008, 06:22 PM
Which is complete crap because hit tapped the ball while it was a lateral making it a live fucking ball. He can't fumble it forward until he actually gains control of it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-16-2008, 06:24 PM
One more rule (from another forum). This will be their argument: And my NFL rulebook says: 8-1-5 "Any forward pass (legal or illegal) becomes incomplete and the ball is dead immediately if the pass strikes the ground or goes out of bounds."

Guru
11-16-2008, 06:27 PM
One more rule (from another forum). This will be their argument: And my NFL rulebook says: 8-1-5 "Any forward pass (legal or illegal) becomes incomplete and the ball is dead immediately if the pass strikes the ground or goes out of bounds."too bad it wasn't a forward pass. Dumbass refs.

DaFace
11-16-2008, 06:31 PM
too bad it wasn't a forward pass. Dumbass refs.

It also didn't hit the ground or go out of bounds. At least not the Tomlinson one, which is the one they officially called the penalty on.

Guru
11-16-2008, 06:35 PM
It also didn't hit the ground or go out of bounds. At least not the Tomlinson one, which is the one they officially called the penalty on.The ONLY thing reviewing the play effected was the point spread. There was absolutely zero reason to review it as it didn't change the outcome of the game.

milkman
11-16-2008, 07:51 PM
NBC just showed the replay and that was clearly the biggest bullshit call in history.

Guru
11-16-2008, 07:52 PM
NBC and their fucking green week. God I am so sick of hearing about that shit.

notorious
11-16-2008, 07:53 PM
Sorry to bump, but after watching the video, Herm says that Tomlinson did commit a penalty by throwing an illegal forward pass.

I agree, it was a forward pass.

Guru
11-16-2008, 07:55 PM
What the hell does Herm have to do with this?

Coach
11-16-2008, 07:56 PM
While we're talking about the "corruption" and "point shaving" thing, I still wonder if the late hit on Thigpen should have warranted a flag?

notorious
11-16-2008, 07:56 PM
What the hell does Herm have to do with this?

It's a joke, you know, Herm having to look at the tape.................(cymbal crash followed by a room filled with silence)

Guru
11-16-2008, 08:00 PM
It's a joke, you know, Herm having to look at the tape.................(cymbal crash followed by a room filled with silence):spock: Well, I was expecting you to qualify it by saying Herm was interviewed regarding it or something. Which wouldn't have surprised me.

notorious
11-16-2008, 08:01 PM
:spock: Well, I was expecting you to qualify it by saying Herm was interviewed regarding it or something. Which wouldn't have surprised me.

Sorry, it was a horrible joke after a pretty baaaaaadddddd day of football.

unothadeal
11-16-2008, 08:03 PM
Sorry, it was a horrible joke after a pretty shitty day of football.

Language, please.

milkman
11-16-2008, 08:05 PM
Language, please.

Looked like English to me.

unothadeal
11-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Sorry, it was a horrible joke after a pretty baaaaaadddddd day of football.

THANK yooouuuuu

notorious
11-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Looked like English to me.

ROFL

Mecca
11-16-2008, 08:06 PM
The play didn't matter, the only people that care about it are people that either got fucked or almost got fucked in their fantasy games.

milkman
11-16-2008, 08:07 PM
THANK yooouuuuu

It was a shitty day of football.

Shitty, I tell ya.

Guru
11-16-2008, 08:08 PM
The play didn't matter, the only people that care about it are people that either got ****ed or almost got ****ed in their fantasy games.And the fact that the refs botched it up and reviewed a play that didn't have any effect on the outcome of the game.

Guru
11-16-2008, 08:10 PM
It was a shitty day of football.

Shitty, I tell ya.The chiefs being bad and my FF studs stinking up the place are really killing my interest in Sundays. I have come to the realization that if the Chiefs aren't winning I won't enjoy FF.

unothadeal
11-16-2008, 08:10 PM
It was a shitty day of football.

Shitty, I tell ya.

WATCH YOUR ****ING MOUTH!! I'VE ASKED NICELY NOW WATCH YOUR ****ING MOUTH!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS WHATSOEVER!!! ****!

Phew.

milkman
11-16-2008, 08:11 PM
WATCH YOUR ****ING MOUTH!! I'VE ASKED NICELY NOW WATCH YOUR ****ING MOUTH!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS WHATSOEVER!!! ****!

Phew.

Do I need a fucking mirror for that?

Mecca
11-16-2008, 08:11 PM
The chiefs being bad and my FF studs stinking up the place are really killing my interest in Sundays. I have come to the realization that if the Chiefs aren't winning I won't enjoy FF.

Well I'm about to be 9-2 in fantasy...who did you draft?

milkman
11-16-2008, 08:12 PM
The chiefs being bad and my FF studs stinking up the place are really killing my interest in Sundays. I have come to the realization that if the Chiefs aren't winning I won't enjoy FF.

I've reached a point where the Chiefs losing doesn't really bother me anymore.

I still enjoy football.

Mecca
11-16-2008, 08:13 PM
I've reached a point where the Chiefs losing doesn't really bother me anymore.

I still enjoy football.

I think it's better to lose than win at this point, who wants to win a couple games and pick 8th?

unothadeal
11-16-2008, 08:14 PM
Do I need a ****ing mirror for that?

No?

milkman
11-16-2008, 08:15 PM
I think it's better to lose than win at this point, who wants to win a couple games and pick 8th?

I understand the value of losing, which is part of the reason losing doesn't bother me.

However, when the games are being played, I can't bring myself to root for a loss.

notorious
11-16-2008, 08:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUaFOepKW20

StcChief
11-16-2008, 08:23 PM
another really bad day in NFL for Missouri teams... :)

Guru
11-16-2008, 09:03 PM
I've reached a point where the Chiefs losing doesn't really bother me anymore.

I still enjoy football. The Chiefs losing doesn't really bug me because I know the eventual outcome will be better. I count on fantasy football to give me something to enjoy about the NFL. This year it is just leaving me frustrated. Since i am finding myself more pissed off on Sundays because my teams keep letting me down it is making me question why I play.

FringeNC
11-16-2008, 09:46 PM
Throw in the fact that the Steelers got out-penalized 115 to 5, and it seems fishy.

tk13
11-16-2008, 09:55 PM
Throw in the fact that the Steelers got out-penalized 115 to 5, and it seems fishy.
Tim Donaghy disagrees with your assessment. :)

Rausch
11-16-2008, 10:00 PM
I think it's better to lose than win at this point, who wants to win a couple games..

Um, ME!

Over here! In the cheap seats!

I don't have 30 more fucking years to wait until the Steelers decide to lease us our next HOF QB.

I'm thinking that in the middle of our 50 years with no super bowl dry spell if we could win a few games here and there, yup, that'd be great...

boogblaster
11-16-2008, 10:00 PM
Chiefs got some bad calls against them today too ...

Guru
11-17-2008, 04:18 AM
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dtebbe
11-17-2008, 07:50 AM
Chiefs got some bad calls against them today too ...

It sure looked to me like LJ got in the endzone on that one goal-line stand. Maybe it was just the camera angle, but he looked like he was a Yard in the endzone.

DT

Guru
11-17-2008, 08:10 AM
It sure looked to me like LJ got in the endzone on that one goal-line stand. Maybe it was just the camera angle, but he looked like he was a Yard in the endzone.

DTwell, according to the refs he had to have been holding the ball down at his thighs because that is the ONLY way the ball didn't cross the plain.

jidar
11-17-2008, 08:29 AM
This game was ridiculous.

Steelers had 300 passing yards, and a 100 yard rusher and a 100 yard receiver, and only managed to throw up 11 points. Why? Because they had 13 penalties vs 2 for San Diego.
Then that final play... that's suspicious as hell.

Normally I'd want to be the voice of reason here and say that odds are it's just bad luck, but I said the same shit about NBA officiating and then Tim Donaghy happened.

The fact is there was a ton of money riding on this game like every other NFL game, and numerous bookies had picked this as one of their sure thing games to have the Chargers cover the 4.5 point spread. When you add all of this up and then factor in that reversal at the end of the game, it's just fishy as all hell.

Probably it's nothing, just bad luck, but after Donaghy I'm not willing to give the benefit of the doubt any more. The whole officiating crew should be investigated by an independent authority.

jidar
11-17-2008, 08:30 AM
well, according to the refs he had to have been holding the ball down at his thighs because that is the ONLY way the ball didn't cross the plain.

Yeah but you couldn't see the ball in the replay so the rule is clear there. They couldn't reverse the call.

It sucked for us but I can see how it happened. If you want to score 6 you've got to really make it count.

OnTheWarpath58
11-17-2008, 08:46 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8806460/Blown-call-not-meaningless-to-history,-sports-books?MSNHPHMA


Refs say Polamalu TD should have counted for Steelers


PITTSBURGH (AP) - The first 11-10 game in NFL history shouldn't have ended that way, referee Scott Green said after a last-minute touchdown was errantly taken away from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

The officiating mistake didn't affect the outcome since the Steelers still would have won, but the touchdown would have changed the score to 17-10 — or, more likely, 18-10, since the teams were lined up for an extra-point try that was never attempted.

The call affected betting on the game since the Steelers were 5-point favorites and would have covered the spread if the touchdown counted.

On first-and-10 from San Diego's 21 with 5 seconds remaining, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers threw a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson over the middle for 3 yards. Tomlinson turned and made a handoff-type lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers, who attempted to pitch the ball to a teammate only to have safety Troy Polamalu scoop it up and score from the 12.

Both teams left the field on what looked to be a game-ending play, but were called back by the officials for the extra-point attempt. At that point, the replay official called for a review.

After watching the play, Green initially announced the ruling on the field was upheld and the touchdown counted. But the officiating crew huddled again before the extra-point attempt and changed the call, deciding that an illegal forward pass should have ended the play.

Green, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said that call was errant - even though his explanation for the confusion was almost as confusing as the play itself.

"We should have let the play go through in the end, yes," Green said. "It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play, we should have let the play go through."

"The first pass was the one that was illegal, but it only kills the play if it hits the ground," Green said. "That was incorrect to have killed it at that point. The ruling should have let the play go on. That's just the way that it played out. We believe the second pass was legal."

Green was asked why, since the ball didn't hit the ground during any of the tossing, the officials decided after huddling that the play should have ended.

"We didn't kill it on the field," Green said. "After (the) discussion we decided ... there was some confusion over which pass we were talking about and it was decided that it was the second pass that was illegal that did hit the ground and therefore we killed the play there."

However, the officials realized afterward they erred.

"I know," Green said. "The rule was misinterpreted."

Asked about the officiating - the Steelers drew 115 yards in penalties to the Chargers' 5 - Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin declined to comment.

"No, I have never seen a game ended with 13-to-1 in penalties, but I am not answering questions about the officiating," Tomlin said.

Guru
11-17-2008, 08:48 AM
Yeah but you couldn't see the ball in the replay so the rule is clear there. They couldn't reverse the call.

It sucked for us but I can see how it happened. If you want to score 6 you've got to really make it count.From the two camera angles we were able to review it was easy to make the conclusion that the ball did cross the goal line. Granted you have to have both replays to make that determination but to say "we didn't have a camera angle from the opposite side of the field" was a cop out by the officials. There was no way it didn't cross and it was extremely obvious.

Nzoner
11-17-2008, 08:49 AM
The whole officiating crew should be investigated by an independent authority.

I wouldn't bother with the crew on the field,the right call was made and they know it,I'd be investigating the "eye in the sky" as the play would've never been reviewed had it not been for them because it was within the 2 minute warning.

Guru
11-17-2008, 08:52 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8806460/Blown-call-not-meaningless-to-history,-sports-books?MSNHPHMA


Refs say Polamalu TD should have counted for Steelers


PITTSBURGH (AP) - The first 11-10 game in NFL history shouldn't have ended that way, referee Scott Green said after a last-minute touchdown was errantly taken away from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

The officiating mistake didn't affect the outcome since the Steelers still would have won, but the touchdown would have changed the score to 17-10 — or, more likely, 18-10, since the teams were lined up for an extra-point try that was never attempted.

The call affected betting on the game since the Steelers were 5-point favorites and would have covered the spread if the touchdown counted.

On first-and-10 from San Diego's 21 with 5 seconds remaining, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers threw a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson over the middle for 3 yards. Tomlinson turned and made a handoff-type lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers, who attempted to pitch the ball to a teammate only to have safety Troy Polamalu scoop it up and score from the 12.

Both teams left the field on what looked to be a game-ending play, but were called back by the officials for the extra-point attempt. At that point, the replay official called for a review.

After watching the play, Green initially announced the ruling on the field was upheld and the touchdown counted. But the officiating crew huddled again before the extra-point attempt and changed the call, deciding that an illegal forward pass should have ended the play.

Green, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said that call was errant - even though his explanation for the confusion was almost as confusing as the play itself.

"We should have let the play go through in the end, yes," Green said. "It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play, we should have let the play go through."

"The first pass was the one that was illegal, but it only kills the play if it hits the ground," Green said. "That was incorrect to have killed it at that point. The ruling should have let the play go on. That's just the way that it played out. We believe the second pass was legal."

Green was asked why, since the ball didn't hit the ground during any of the tossing, the officials decided after huddling that the play should have ended.

"We didn't kill it on the field," Green said. "After (the) discussion we decided ... there was some confusion over which pass we were talking about and it was decided that it was the second pass that was illegal that did hit the ground and therefore we killed the play there."

However, the officials realized afterward they erred.

"I know," Green said. "The rule was misinterpreted."

Asked about the officiating - the Steelers drew 115 yards in penalties to the Chargers' 5 - Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin declined to comment.

"No, I have never seen a game ended with 13-to-1 in penalties, but I am not answering questions about the officiating," Tomlin said.

god they still can't get it straight? Laughable.

Guru
11-17-2008, 08:53 AM
I wouldn't bother with the crew on the field,the right call was made and they know it,I'd be investigating the "eye in the sky" as the play would've never been reviewed had it not been for them because it was within the 2 minute warning.partially agreed, but the head official had to make the call overturning it.

jidar
11-17-2008, 08:54 AM
From the two camera angles we were able to review it was easy to make the conclusion that the ball did cross the goal line. Granted you have to have both replays to make that determination but to say "we didn't have a camera angle from the opposite side of the field" was a cop out by the officials. There was no way it didn't cross and it was extremely obvious.

If you can't see the ball you can't know. You have to see the ball to know that it absolutely broke the plane, and that's the only way the call can be reversed.

Guru
11-17-2008, 08:57 AM
If you can't see the ball you can't know. You have to see the ball to know that it absolutely broke the plane, and that's the only way the call can be reversed. You could see the ball from one of the angles, which is what determined where the ball was. That combined with where his body was technically determined that the ball did cross the goal line as he was not carrying the ball at thigh level. It was tucked into his belly, which was clearly beyond the line.

Nzoner
11-17-2008, 09:02 AM
partially agreed, but the head official had to make the call overturning it.

either way there's no doubt in my mind that the fix was in.I just bumped a 3 year old thread of mine about a book I own called Interference:How Organized Crime Influences The NFL.Great read.

Buck
11-17-2008, 09:04 AM
If the Refs were trying to throw the game for the Chargers, that'd be a first. Normally the Bolts have a lot of penalties compared to the other team.

Need I remind anyone on Week 2, in Denver???

I guess now I am rooting for the best draft pick possible, what a failure of a season.

Guru
11-17-2008, 09:04 AM
Plays like this make me wish instant replay was just scrapped altogether.

Guru
11-17-2008, 09:05 AM
If the Refs were trying to throw the game for the Chargers, that'd be a first. Normally the Bolts have a lot of penalties compared to the other team.

Need I remind anyone on Week 2, in Denver???

I guess now I am rooting for the best draft pick possible, what a failure of a season. They weren't throwing the game for the Chargers. They made sure the Chargers covered.

Buck
11-17-2008, 09:07 AM
They weren't throwing the game for the Chargers. They made sure the Chargers covered.

Umm....The Chargers were winning right until the end, so what would have happened if they won?

Guru
11-17-2008, 09:09 AM
Umm....The Chargers were winning right until the end, so what would have happened if they won?Dude, they did everything to get the chargers a win. When they couldn't do that, they made sure the Chargers covered the spread by overturning the Palamalu TD at the end.

If the Chargers would have won this thread wouldnt' even exist.

Nzoner
11-17-2008, 09:10 AM
Umm....The Chargers were winning right until the end, so what would have happened if they won?

Chargers win or lose by 3 or less they cover the spread which was all that mattered.

Mike and Mike were talking about it on ESPN this morning,said 100 million "legal" dollars were bet on this game and that call was a 64 million dollar swing to the bookies.

Buck
11-17-2008, 09:23 AM
I get it...early in the morning, I shouldn't try to be saying anything intelligent right now.

Guru
11-17-2008, 09:25 AM
I get it...early in the morning, I shouldn't try to be saying anything intelligent right now.What does morning have to do with that?:D

Buck
11-17-2008, 09:28 AM
What does morning have to do with that?:D

You do have a point.