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smittysbar
11-16-2008, 09:38 PM
We should have went for it. Couldn't believe he punted. Watching the Dallas game tonight, they had a 4th and 2 come up, they could even kick the field goal, but knew that the first down would end the game, they went for it and got it, game over.


Just can't believe that a HC in the NFL couldn't figure out that giving the ball back to the #1 offense and try to stop them with one the worse defenses is the call to make, when you need a 1st down and your O has moved the ball well most of the day.

StcChief
11-16-2008, 09:41 PM
yep... WTF I was berated by Lamb fans for it. Blame Herm's crappy coaching....

my revenge came in 3pm game as they got man-handled in SF.

Short Leash Hootie
11-16-2008, 09:42 PM
just got to Illinois from the game...

This call made me so mad I can't even begin to explain...

What in god's name was Herm thinking? We're 1-8, we have some momentum...4th and 3 just ONE DRIVE ago Thigpen ran for 36 yards on a QB draw...and we punt, on 4th and 2, from the 40...WHEN WE'RE 1-8?! Are you kidding? Our only defense today was New Orleans dropping passes...we punted for 28 yards of field position so we could watch New Orleans go on another 15 play drive? Really?

Herm didn't even THINK about going for it...that was the most ridiculous thing I've seen from Herm Edwards this year...

Someone made a thread about 'do you want Herm to stay' and I was undecided...this might have been the clincher...

1,000 out of 1,000 times you go for that with our defense and our record.

What a fucking moron.

I was so mad. They were trying to calm me down in the stands I was about to hit this old man...

oaklandhater
11-16-2008, 09:45 PM
just got to Illinois from the game...

This call made me so mad I can't even begin to explain...

What in god's name was Herm thinking? We're 1-8, we have some momentum...4th and 3 just ONE DRIVE ago Thigpen ran for 36 yards on a QB draw...and we punt, on 4th and 2, from the 40...WHEN WE'RE 1-8?! Are you kidding? Our only defense today was New Orleans dropping passes...we punted for 28 yards of field position so we could watch New Orleans go on another 15 play drive? Really?

Herm didn't even THINK about going for it...that was the most ridiculous thing I've seen from Herm Edwards this year...

Someone made a thread about 'do you want Herm to stay' and I was undecided...this might have been the clincher...

1,000 out of 1,000 times you go for that with our defense and our record.

What a ****ing moron.

I was so mad. They were trying to calm me down in the stands I was about to hit this old man...

Holy SHIT A POST that doesnt make hootie look like a homer IT cant be real....

Mecca
11-16-2008, 09:46 PM
Herm was thinking that he's Herm, leopards don't change their spots.

Direckshun
11-16-2008, 09:47 PM
Herm was thinking that he's Herm, leopards don't change their spots.

I want to punch you in the stomach.

smittysbar
11-16-2008, 09:48 PM
Might I also add that Dallas had a hell of a lot more to lose than the 1-8 Chiefs, and still made the right call.

oaklandhater
11-16-2008, 09:48 PM
Herm was thinking that he's Herm, leopards don't change their spots.

But but he went for 2 last sunday Some ppl on this board think that earned him another 2 years.

Mecca
11-16-2008, 09:49 PM
I want to punch you in the stomach.

Do you want to hear me fart?

Short Leash Hootie
11-16-2008, 09:50 PM
God I was so mad...ruined my whole day...another good day from Thigpen...made some amazing throws (that Franklin play was a thing of beauty)...a little mad he missed Bradley (still caught it but he was wide open for a TD) and the fact we were 1st and goal from the 1 and 3 and settled for 6 points...but our offense is fine...we're getting better every week...showing new things ever week...LJ looked good, definitely the best back on our team and I think this whole experience has humbled him a bit...his numbers look worse than he played because of the goal to go carries where he literally had nowhere to go at all...take out those 5 carries and -3 yards and he had a presentable day plus the Chiefs ran their first successful screen pass to a back all year which was nice...

But the day was ruined by Herm and the 4th and 2 punt...the funny thing is, no one else cared...and I don't blame them...I didn't make a lick of noise for that defense after the 1st quarter, and no one else did either...if they are going to play like that they don't deserve the fans behind them...we didn't sniff Drew Brees.

StcChief
11-16-2008, 09:50 PM
Might I also add that Dallas had a hell of a lot more to lose than the 1-8 Chiefs, and still made the right call.
no doubt... I watch this and realize.... Freakin' Wade Phillips is a much better coach than AA token Herm Edwards

Short Leash Hootie
11-16-2008, 09:51 PM
Might I also add that Dallas had a hell of a lot more to lose than the 1-8 Chiefs, and still made the right call.

Dallas' call was 50/50...they kick a FG and it's 17-10...I kick the field goal...

The right move in that game was Washington going for it on 4th and 4 from the 37...the same situation Herm had (except we were 4-2) and they are 6-3 and in the playoff hunt playing another playoff caliber team...

The fact we're 1-8 and the only thing we can do is play offense and yet we still punt is beyond ridiculous...that screams tank job to me if Herm wasn't so stupid...the only stops we had all day were complete luck...New Orleans dropped 7 or 8 passes...the fact we punted for 28 yards of field position a drive after we converted a 4th and 3 for the biggest momentum changer of the game makes me absolutely sick.

oaklandhater
11-16-2008, 09:52 PM
i haven't joined the "fire herm" bandwagon all year because of one simple fact.... this team is in a rebuild. and you give a head coach adequate time to complete a rebuild before you start calling for his head. sure, some of us may disagree with some of his decisions... but the way this team has been competing of late, there isn't much there to complain about.

i absolutely ****ing loved the decision to go for two today.... in my mind, he just bought two more years... i love the way herm has had the team competing over the last two weeks

some people on this board just need to relax, and actually watch this team REBUILD... if we get as good of a draft class as we did last offseason in this upcoming draft it could happen very soon

NEVER forget how stupid some ppl can be....

greg63
11-16-2008, 09:53 PM
We should have went for it. Couldn't believe he punted. Watching the Dallas game tonight, they had a 4th and 2 come up, they could even kick the field goal, but knew that the first down would end the game, they went for it and got it, game over.


Just can't believe that a HC in the NFL couldn't figure out that giving the ball back to the #1 offense and try to stop them with one the worse defenses is the call to make, when you need a 1st down and your O has moved the ball well most of the day.

...And if we'd have gone for it and not made it then you would have been saying that we should have punted.

Silock
11-16-2008, 09:54 PM
I'd like to point out that I'm happy with the decision to try and preserve our draft position.

boogblaster
11-16-2008, 09:55 PM
Herm can't coach a tight ball-game ... He coachs his young players decent but he can't coach as a HC at this level ... He still thinks that a Defense that just stopped a Offense can go back and do it again .. Not with his injured Defense .. Sorry, but he just don't get it ...

raybec 4
11-16-2008, 09:56 PM
I will never ever defend Herman The Dunce but is anyone but me a little pissed that we were even in that situation because on the play prior Bradley drops one that hit him in the fucking chest? If he makes the catch I have ultimate faith Herm would have found another way to lose, but still he shoulda caught it.

oaklandhater
11-16-2008, 09:58 PM
I'd like to point out that I'm happy with the decision to try and preserve our draft position.

QFT every loss takes us one stop closer to Stafford

ArrowheadHawk
11-16-2008, 09:59 PM
I'd like to point out that I'm happy with the decision to try and preserve our draft position.

Your and idiot.

Short Leash Hootie
11-16-2008, 09:59 PM
I will never ever defend Herman The Dunce but is anyone but me a little pissed that we were even in that situation because on the play prior Bradley drops one that hit him in the ****ing chest? If he makes the catch I have ultimate faith Herm would have found another way to lose, but still he shoulda caught it.

Bradley is due for a mistake or two...that is the first drop he's made all season. I cut him a little slack...IMO the 3rd and 2 should have been a run play since we had two downs to pick up the 1st...at least that's what I thought until I saw the dumbass send Colquitt on the field.

terrible.

smittysbar
11-16-2008, 10:04 PM
...And if we'd have gone for it and not made it then you would have been saying that we should have punted.

No I wouldn't have, at this point there is nothing to lose. Your down by 7, the D hasn't stopped them for most of the day, they stopped themselves for the most part. Ten minutes left, if you give the #1 O the ball back, and try to stop them with #32 defense, or whatever we are, chances are they get a score of some sort (FG/TD) and burn time off the clock. So you now have a 2 possession game with very little time on your hands.

In my mind, with all the injuries to the D and how fucking bad they are, it was the ONLY call.

StcChief
11-16-2008, 10:05 PM
QFT every loss takes us one stop closer to Staffordso genious... who do you bribe to allow Detroit to Win?

smittysbar
11-16-2008, 10:09 PM
I will never ever defend Herman The Dunce but is anyone but me a little pissed that we were even in that situation because on the play prior Bradley drops one that hit him in the ****ing chest? If he makes the catch I have ultimate faith Herm would have found another way to lose, but still he shoulda caught it.

Yes, but it happens

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 10:11 PM
Dont worry, Chiefzilla, Zouk or KC Fish will be along to tell us it was the right call..

smittysbar
11-16-2008, 10:13 PM
so genious... who do you bribe to allow Detroit to Win?

I thought they were going to get a win today, and Cincy was playing good, I knew Herm would blow it, I knew it was to good to be true

Short Leash Hootie
11-16-2008, 10:16 PM
...And if we'd have gone for it and not made it then you would have been saying that we should have punted.

uhm, no...I don't care if we made it or not it was the right move to go for it...unless you have a defense...and we most certainly do not.

smittysbar
11-16-2008, 10:17 PM
Dont worry, Chiefzilla, Zouk or KC Fish will be along to tell us it was the right call..

Yep
They stopped them on the previous series so he knew they could do it again [Zouk]





all they needed was a RB to stumble in the backfield, another dropped pass, and another WR to fall done on his route....................

boogblaster
11-16-2008, 10:18 PM
Herm knows 4th and 2 .. 4th pick in all rounds ...

2bikemike
11-16-2008, 10:19 PM
But but he went for 2 last sunday Some ppl on this board think that earned him another 2 years.

To me that is why its so frustrating. I thought for sure he would go for it. Especially how the defense was tired and could not stop the Saints. Basically the same reason he went for the 2 point conversion.

Skip Towne
11-16-2008, 10:20 PM
just got to Illinois from the game...

This call made me so mad I can't even begin to explain...

What in god's name was Herm thinking? We're 1-8, we have some momentum...4th and 3 just ONE DRIVE ago Thigpen ran for 36 yards on a QB draw...and we punt, on 4th and 2, from the 40...WHEN WE'RE 1-8?! Are you kidding? Our only defense today was New Orleans dropping passes...we punted for 28 yards of field position so we could watch New Orleans go on another 15 play drive? Really?

Herm didn't even THINK about going for it...that was the most ridiculous thing I've seen from Herm Edwards this year...

Someone made a thread about 'do you want Herm to stay' and I was undecided...this might have been the clincher...

1,000 out of 1,000 times you go for that with our defense and our record.

What a fucking moron.

I was so mad. They were trying to calm me down in the stands I was about to hit this old man...

Better watch yourself sonny, that old man might shank you.

raybec 4
11-16-2008, 10:21 PM
To me that is why its so frustrating. I thought for sure he would go for it. Especially how the defense was tired and could not stop the Saints. Basically the same reason he went for the 2 point conversion.

It just shows what a moron Herm is. When the O had things clicking he abandons them. His vaunted Tampa 2 hasn't stopped anyone in three years.

blueballs
11-16-2008, 10:24 PM
just another nail in the coffin of the KC Herm era

Mecca
11-16-2008, 10:25 PM
Zouk is one of my favorite people, he's pretty entertaining in some of his takes.

2bikemike
11-16-2008, 10:25 PM
It just shows what a moron Herm is. When the O had things clicking he abandons them. His vaunted Tampa 2 hasn't stopped anyone in three years.

I freaking hate the Tampa 2. And I am sick of Herms constant mistakes.

Reerun_KC
11-16-2008, 10:26 PM
Zouk is one of my favorite people, he's pretty entertaining in some of his takes.

He will be all over this I am sure....

Should be entertaining to say the least!

StcChief
11-16-2008, 10:28 PM
just another nail in the coffin of the KC Herm erajust when you think he's allowing Galey to "run" the offense....
he pulls this BS and plays to lose.

Ultra Peanut
11-16-2008, 10:46 PM
Your and idiot.Oh no, we have 1 win instead of 2!

blueballs
11-16-2008, 10:52 PM
just when you think he's allowing Galey to "run" the offense....
he pulls this BS and plays to lose.

I have a hard time believing
Clark isn't keeping the gaff score

KCwolf
11-16-2008, 11:48 PM
Pretty sure this thread wouldn't exist IF Bradley catches the ball......blame Herm....blame whoever u feel necessary to make u feel better....4 games in a row Thigpen seems to be playing like an NFL QB and our 09' draft pick gets better each week....sounds like a win win.

KCChiefsMan
11-16-2008, 11:49 PM
yup, we were already 2/2 on 4th downs. Our defense was sucking anyways so I can't see how we punted there. Another stupid decision by herm

KCChiefsMan
11-16-2008, 11:50 PM
Pretty sure this thread wouldn't exist IF Bradley catches the ball......blame Herm....blame whoever u feel necessary to make u feel better....4 games in a row Thigpen seems to be playing like an NFL QB and our 09' draft pick gets better each week....sounds like a win win.

if if's and but's were candy and nuts

oaklandhater
11-17-2008, 12:00 AM
so genious... who do you bribe to allow Detroit to Win?

The lions have made bonehead decisions before I see the chiefs with the 2nd pick in the draft so we got a 50/50 shot at him

oaklandhater
11-17-2008, 12:04 AM
To me that is why its so frustrating. I thought for sure he would go for it. Especially how the defense was tired and could not stop the Saints. Basically the same reason he went for the 2 point conversion.

, leopards don't change their spots.

truer words have never been spoken

smittysbar
11-17-2008, 08:58 AM
if if's and but's were candy and nuts

I agree, dropped passes happen, it put us in the position to make the call on 4th and 2, he unfortunately made the wrong call.

Lzen
11-17-2008, 09:12 AM
I want to punch you in the stomach.


I was actually impressed with the going for 2 last week even though a lot Chiefs fans I know didn't care for it. But this week was just the opposite. Hootie said it best. Retarded decision.

Lzen
11-17-2008, 09:20 AM
Pretty sure this thread wouldn't exist IF Bradley catches the ball......blame Herm....blame whoever u feel necessary to make u feel better....4 games in a row Thigpen seems to be playing like an NFL QB and our 09' draft pick gets better each week....sounds like a win win.

I totally don't agree with this line of thinking. At some point, a young team needs to get some wins to gain confidence going into next season. I want Herm gone as soon as possible. But I will never, ever root for my team to lose. I may root for an anvil to fall on Herm's head, but not for the team to lose.

4th and Long
11-17-2008, 09:43 AM
For a moment, I thought someone made a thread about me.

I was wrong. :(

luv
11-17-2008, 09:52 AM
For a moment, I thought someone made a thread about me.

I was wrong. :(

You would think 2 is long. :p

4th and Long
11-17-2008, 09:53 AM
You would think 2 is long. :p
Ever seen a road map?
1 inch = 100 miles. :p

luv
11-17-2008, 09:54 AM
While I did agree with the 2 point conversion call, I completely disagreed with this call. Sure. We had been on the 1 and 2 yard lines without being able to make it for a TD. But, even if we didn't make these 2 yards, we were far enough in so that NO would have had average field position.

OnTheWarpath58
11-17-2008, 11:08 AM
This place baffles me sometimes.

Almost universally, people here want the team to lose to get a higher draft pick.

Then, again, almost universally, people here bitch about a coaching decision that may or may not have impacted the outcome of the game.

Which is is folks?

If you (you know who you are) want this team to lose for the sake of draft position, you look pretty fucking stupid bitching about coaching decisions that are helping meet this "goal".

Reerun_KC
11-17-2008, 11:10 AM
This place baffles me sometimes.

Almost universally, people here want the team to lose to get a higher draft pick.

Then, again, almost universally, people here bitch about a coaching decision that may or may not have impacted the outcome of the game.

Which is is folks?

If you (you know who you are) want this team to lose for the sake of draft position, you look pretty ****ing stupid bitching about coaching decisions that are helping meet this "goal".

I want Herm to keep making these stupid mistakes for a couple of reasons, They ensure a typical Herm loss and keeps our draft position.

Anything to get Herm out of here, I am willing to ride through...

StcChief
11-17-2008, 11:14 AM
I want Herm to keep making these stupid mistakes for a couple of reasons, They ensure a typical Herm loss and keeps our draft position.

Anything to get Herm out of here, I am willing to ride through...so after 2009 and contract is up..... we win 2-4 games in 2009.

Clark will have "had enough" to dump the AA coach and not get chastised by his NFL owner buddies.

Reerun_KC
11-17-2008, 11:28 AM
so after 2009 and contract is up..... we win 2-4 games in 2009.

Clark will have "had enough" to dump the AA coach and not get chastised by his NFL owner buddies.

Fine, 2009 is ANOTHER wasted season if Herm stays anyway...

chiefsngop
11-17-2008, 12:50 PM
Herm's decision from a technichal viewpoint.

2 Choices let's look at them both.

*************************************

GOING FOR IT

Risk Analysis:

1. The Saint may get the ball on their own 40.

Potential Gain:

1. May get just 2 yards for the 1st down, not turn the ball over.
2. Keep their killer offense away from your terrible defense.
3. Keep the drive going and you're already nearing field goal range.
4. May score a touchdown, either on that play or with a continued drive.
5. May actually put the momentum way into your favor, instead of shifting all of it to the visiting team.

************************************
PUNTING

Risk Analysis:

1. Their killer offense gauranteed another crack at your terrible defense.
2. Your punter's gonna try to land the ball around the 10 yd. line, just a 25 yard return negates any field position gain you were attempting.
3. The punt may be returned for a touchdown.
4. The punt may be blocked.
5. Bad long snap, we've seen that before.
6. Momentum shifted to the visiting team.
7. Their bad ass offense goes on a long drive and puts you into a huge hole.

Potential Gain :

1. 20-25 yard difference in field position for the Saints on their own side of the field.

***************************************

OVERALL ASSESMENT OF THE DECISION MADE :

FAIL

Mecca
11-17-2008, 12:58 PM
Fine, 2009 is ANOTHER wasted season if Herm stays anyway...

Next year will be funny if Herms back even with another good draft the schedule difficulty really goes up.

Reerun_KC
11-17-2008, 01:08 PM
Next year will be funny if Herms back even with another good draft the schedule difficulty really goes up.

It will be more of the same as this year... Actually, can a coach stay after a potential 14-34 record over 3 seasons?? What about next year when we go 6-10 or so because of the schedule?

You are talking a 4 year stretch of 20-44... No one can keep a job after this year let alone next year....

StcChief
11-17-2008, 01:24 PM
It will be more of the same as this year... Actually, can a coach stay after a potential 14-34 record over 3 seasons?? What about next year when we go 6-10 or so because of the schedule?

You are talking a 4 year stretch of 20-44... No one can keep a job after this year let alone next year....look at Carl for 10 years after Marty gone.

oaklandhater
11-17-2008, 03:04 PM
look at Carl for 10 years after Marty gone.

We dont just show blind loyalty to our coaches and staff look how long bartee and warfeild were on the roster for...

Red Beans
11-17-2008, 03:57 PM
Moronic, that's the only word for not going for it.

smittysbar
11-17-2008, 08:59 PM
This place baffles me sometimes.

Almost universally, people here want the team to lose to get a higher draft pick.

Then, again, almost universally, people here bitch about a coaching decision that may or may not have impacted the outcome of the game.

Which is is folks?

If you (you know who you are) want this team to lose for the sake of draft position, you look pretty ****ing stupid bitching about coaching decisions that are helping meet this "goal".

I am not going to lie, I would love to be in position to get Stafford, but I still like watching the team play. What makes me mad is when these guys do a decent job and Herms dumbass comes in and fucks it up for them.

I have said it before, Herm likes games that are close in the end, which is crazy for a coach that is horrible at game time decisions and clock management. A coach that stinks the place up in these situations, yet wants his team to put him in that situation.....FUCKING DUMB I TELL YA

raybec 4
11-17-2008, 10:00 PM
I am not going to lie, I would love to be in position to get Stafford, but I still like watching the team play. What makes me mad is when these guys do a decent job and Herms dumbass comes in and ****s it up for them.

I have said it before, Herm likes games that are close in the end, which is crazy for a coach that is horrible at game time decisions and clock management. A coach that stinks the place up in these situations, yet wants his team to put him in that situation.....****ING DUMB I TELL YA

Next year after Clark fails to fire Herm, at some point during training camp he's going to say "Sure we were 1-15 but we lost most of those games by 10 points or less. You make a few plays here and there, you don't get flustrated and were talking about going to the playoffs."

Reerun_KC
11-17-2008, 10:40 PM
Next year after Clark fails to fire Herm, at some point during training camp he's going to say "Sure we were 1-15 but we lost most of those games by 10 points or less. You make a few plays here and there, you don't get flustrated and were talking about going to the playoffs."

ROFL

And true fans will massage Herms sack while hanging on every word about playoffs and losing...