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rrl308
11-18-2008, 01:12 PM
1. America's credit rating may soon be downgraded below AAA
2. Fed refusal to disclose $2 trillion loans, now the new "shadow banking system"
3. Congress has no oversight of $700 billion, and Paulson's Wall Street Trojan Horse
4. King Henry Paulson flip-flops on plan to buy toxic bank assets, confusing markets
5. Goldman, Morgan lost tens of billions, but planning over $13 billion in bonuses this year
6. AIG bails big banks out of $150 billion in credit swaps, protects shareholders before taxpayers
7. American Express joins Goldman, Morgan as bank holding firms, looking for Fed money
8. Treasury sneaks corporate tax credits into bailout giveaway, shifts costs to states
9. State revenues down, taxes and debt up; hiring, spending, borrowing add even more debt
10. State, municipal, corporate pensions lost hundreds of billions on derivative swaps
11. Hedge funds: 610 in 1990, almost 10,000 now. Returns down 15%, liquidations up
12. Consumer debt way up, now at $2.5 trillion; next area for credit meltdowns
13. Fed also plans to provide billions to $3.6 trillion money-market fund industry
14. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are bleeding cash, want to tap taxpayer dollars
15. Washington manipulating data: War not $600 billion but estimates actually $3 trillion
16. Hidden costs of $700 billion bailout are likely $5 trillion; plus $1 trillion Street write-offs
17. Commodities down, resource exporters and currencies dropping, triggering a global meltdown
18. Big three automakers near bankruptcy; unions, workers, retirees will suffer
19. Corporate bond market, both junk and top-rated, slumps more than 25%
20. Retailers bankrupt: Circuit City, Sharper Image, Mervyns; mall sales in free fall
21. Unemployment heading toward 8% plus; more 1930's photos of soup lines
22. Government policy is dictated by 42,000 myopic, highly paid, greedy lobbyists
23. China's sees GDP growth drop, crates $586 billion stimulus; deflation is now global, hitting even Dubai
24. Despite global recession, U.S. trade deficit continues, now at $650 billion
25. The 800-pound gorillas: Social Security, Medicare with $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities
26. Now 46 million uninsured as medical, drug costs explode
27. New-New Deal: U.S. planning billions for infrastructure, adding to unsustainable debt
28. Outgoing leaders handicapping new administration with huge liabilities
29.The "antitaxes" message is a new bubble, a new version of the American
dream offering a free lunch, no sacrifices, exposing us to more false promises

Will the next meltdown, the third of the 21st Century, trigger a second Great Depression? Or will the 2007-08 crisis simply morph into a painful extension of today's mess to 2011 and beyond, with no new bull market, no economic recovery as our new president hopes?
Perhaps some of the first 29 problems may be solved separately, but collectively, after building on a failed ideology, they spell disaster. So listen closely to "leading indicator" No. 30:
At a recent Reuters Global Finance Summit former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead was interviewed. He was also Ronald Reagan's Deputy Secretary of State and a former chairman of the N.Y. Fed. He says America's problems will take years and will burn trillions.
He sees "nothing but large increases in the deficit ... I think it would be worse than the depression. ... Before I go to sleep at night, I wonder if tomorrow is the day Moody's and S&P will announce a downgrade of U.S. government bonds." It'll get worse because "the public is not prepared to increase taxes. Both parties were for reducing taxes, reducing income to government, and both parties favored a number of new programs, all very costly and all done by the government."
Reuters concludes: "Whitehead said he is speaking out on this topic because he is concerned no lawmakers are against these new spending programs and none will stand up and call for higher taxes. 'I just want to get people thinking about this, and to realize this is a road to disaster,' said Whitehead. 'I've always been a positive person and optimistic, but I don't see a solution here.'"
We see the Great Depression 2. Why? Wall Street's self-interested greed. They are their own worst enemy ... and America's too.

Here is the whole article: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Well-Great-Depression-2-2011/story.aspx?guid=%7BB28B49B5%2DEFD1%2D4941%2DB57E%2DA2BA1545BA09%7D&dist=SecMostRead&dist=SecMostRead

SHTSPRAYER
11-18-2008, 01:17 PM
Thanks, Buddy!

StcChief
11-18-2008, 02:23 PM
way to cheer up my day.

RJ
11-18-2008, 02:26 PM
Yes, very uplifting.

Ho ho fugging ho.

Chief Henry
11-18-2008, 02:32 PM
This is getting brutal in many ways.

Brock
11-18-2008, 02:32 PM
Dammit Obama! :cuss:

BigChiefFan
11-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Maybe take responsibity for our OWN ACTIONS. Americans live off of borrowed credit, instead of living within their means. This should be a wake call to ALL AMERICANS, to stop purchasing items you can't afford in the first place, but let's blame Obama before he even steps foot into office.

Stewie
11-18-2008, 03:35 PM
This is a $20 Trillion **** up that started in 1996.

Edit: It can really be traced back to the late '70s, but '96 was the watershed.

irishjayhawk
11-18-2008, 03:37 PM
Weird, everyone laughed at my question of whether we'd see a GD2.

Rain Man
11-18-2008, 05:23 PM
If we have another Great Depression, I wonder if they'll bring back those old-timey cars. They were pretty cool-looking.

Adept Havelock
11-18-2008, 06:36 PM
If we have another Great Depression, I wonder if they'll bring back those old-timey cars. They were pretty cool-looking.

If they do, I'd like to keep safety glass. What happens when you use regular glass like those cars did can get pretty grisly.

Rain Man
11-18-2008, 08:13 PM
If they do, I'd like to keep safety glass. What happens when you use regular glass like those cars did can get pretty grisly.


Good point. Plus I'd want modern tires. Those old-timey ones went flat all the time.

Maybe suspenders would also make a comeback. I like suspenders. And I'm already on record saying that suspenders are sexy on women.

http://www.delsjourney.com/images/close-ups/us/waltons/introductions/season_2/Scene_4_John-Boy_Smiling.jpg

Adept Havelock
11-18-2008, 08:21 PM
Good point. Plus I'd want modern tires. Those old-timey ones went flat all the time.

Maybe suspenders would also make a comeback. I like suspenders. And I'm already on record saying that suspenders are sexy on women.


Agreed.



Especially when connecting their ankles to bedposts behind their shoulders.

rrl308
11-19-2008, 02:45 AM
Thanks, Buddy!

No problem. It sucks to have to be the bearer of bad news, but someone has to do it.

Silock
11-19-2008, 04:07 AM
Weird, everyone laughed at my question of whether we'd see a GD2.

We won't.

memyselfI
11-19-2008, 05:55 AM
There are some nuggets in the article that list comes from that really make your blood boil and I think could add to the theory that the CONS threw the election because this thing is going to blow up in the next four years. They knew when the words Great Depression 2 come to mind it will be closely associated with those IN THE WHITE HOUSE at the time regardless of who laid the groundwork for it to happen.

Paulson has bascially conned the American people with a LAME DUCK Republican POTUS and the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS along with the future president elect enabling and assisting him in his crime

No wonder the Republicans wanted to get out of Dodge...

literally.


But the big shocker came from the new Treasury secretary two years before the meltdown: Bloomberg News reports that shortly after leaving Wall Street as Goldman Sachs' CEO, Henry Paulson was at Camp David warning the president and his staff of "over-the-counter derivatives as an example of financial innovation that could, under certain circumstances, blow up in Wall Street's face and affect the whole economy."



Yes, they knew. And still both Paulson, a Wall Street insider, and Greenspan's successor, Ben Bernanke, a Princeton scholar of the Great Depression, stayed trapped in denial and kept happy-talking the public for months after the meltdown began in mid-2007. Get it? While they could have put the brakes on this meltdown years ago, our leaders were prisoners of their distorted, inflexible views of conservative Reaganomics ideology.


Now it's time for my 2008 update, a look into the future where things will get far worse during the next presidential term. And given human behavior, especially in the deep recesses of Wall Street's "greed is good" DNA, it seems inevitable that no matter how well-intentioned the new president may be Wall Street and Washington's 41,000 special-interest lobbyists will drive America into the Great Depression 2.


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Outgoing leaders handicapping new administration with huge liabilities
29.
The "antitaxes" message is a new bubble, a new version of the American
dream offering a free lunch, no sacrifices, exposing us to more false promises

Will the next meltdown, the third of the 21st Century, trigger a second Great Depression? Or will the 2007-08 crisis simply morph into a painful extension of today's mess to 2011 and beyond, with no new bull market, no economic recovery as our new president hopes?
Perhaps some of the first 29 problems may be solved separately, but collectively, after building on a failed ideology, they spell disaster. So listen closely to "leading indicator" No. 30:
At a recent Reuters Global Finance Summit former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead was interviewed. He was also Ronald Reagan's Deputy Secretary of State and a former chairman of the N.Y. Fed. He says America's problems will take years and will burn trillions.
He sees "nothing but large increases in the deficit ... I think it would be worse than the depression. ... Before I go to sleep at night, I wonder if tomorrow is the day Moody's and S&P will announce a downgrade of U.S. government bonds." It'll get worse because "the public is not prepared to increase taxes. Both parties were for reducing taxes, reducing income to government, and both parties favored a number of new programs, all very costly and all done by the government."

Silock
11-19-2008, 06:01 AM
The simple solution is to cut spending. Why this is never talked about seriously is absurd.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2008, 01:42 PM
We won't.

I actually agree with you. But when I raised the question back in August or September, everyone thought it was a ridiculous premise. And now we're beginning to take it seriously.

irishjayhawk
11-19-2008, 01:42 PM
The simple solution is to cut spending. Why this is never talked about seriously is absurd.

While not simultaneously cutting taxes.

talastan
11-19-2008, 01:54 PM
The simple solution is to cut spending. Why this is never talked about seriously is absurd.

QFT

Until the budget gets slashed and balanced and is mandated to STAY that way, nothing is going to work. They'll make promises, print more money, devalue the dollar, and inflate the cost of living. :shake: The fact is someone has to be the "bad" guy to say that the taxpayer can't fulfill all of these politicans promises. No one has the bawls to step up though and be that leader IMO.

Calcountry
11-19-2008, 02:45 PM
What got us out of the last Depression? Anyone, anyone? Ben Stein voice off/

Calcountry
11-19-2008, 02:57 PM
The simple solution is to cut spending. Why this is never talked about seriously is absurd.According to the Keynesian paradigm, which both Republican and Democrat parties subscribe to, that would be the last thing to do at this point in the Business cycle.

So would trade barriers and tax increases on anyone, but that is another issue.