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D2112

11-18-2008, 05:51 PM

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 05:58 PM

SHTSPRAYER

11-18-2008, 06:02 PM

That stuff is priceless.

ROFL

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:06 PM

At least the rwnj's had all the right answers about Obama. Many of them are so stupid they still believe he's a muslim... and wasn't born in the U.S... and pals around with terrorists...

Ignorance is such a warm and fuzzy place for so many people on all sides.

http://www.postwhoring.com/forums/images/smilies/lolwut.gif

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/suriyasiero/553px-Lol_que.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/LOL_WUT_IRL.jpg

ROFL

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:11 PM

That stuff is priceless.

ROFL

It's fucking awesome!

BRILLIANT!

ROFL

SHTSPRAYER

11-18-2008, 06:26 PM

It's ****ing awesome!

BRILLIANT!

ROFL

It's better than Stern's interviews.

ROFL

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:35 PM

Crickets

PBJ

'Hamas' Jenkins

11-18-2008, 06:37 PM

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedImages/Stories/Local/0006%2838%29.jpg

SHTSPRAYER

11-18-2008, 06:39 PM

Crickets

PBJ

And you know all the O-bots are creating another narrative "well these are just a handful blah blah blah they don't represent the majority of people who voted for B.O. blah blah blah"

ROFL

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:40 PM

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedImages/Stories/Local/0006%2838%29.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/suriyasiero/553px-Lol_que.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins

11-18-2008, 06:46 PM

An Interview with John Ziegler on the Zogby "Push Poll" (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html)

<style>#fullpost {display:none;}</style> I had the chance this afternoon to speak with John Ziegler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ziegler_%28talk_show_host%29#Controversies), a documentary filmmaker and former radio talk show host who built the website HowObamaGotElected.com (http://howobamagotelected.com/) and is promoting a forthcoming documentary of the same name.

Ziegler was responsible for commissioning a Zogby International survey of Barack Obama supporters, which took the form of a multiple choice political knowledge test, stating a "fact" to the respondent and asking them which of the four major candidates (Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin) the statement applied to. Because I believe that many of the statements on the survey are questionable or false but are misleadingly presented as factual to the respondent, I characterized the survey as a "push poll" (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/zogby-engages-in-apparent-push-polling.html) in an article posted early this morning.

Ziegler had contacted me by e-mail, asking if I'd like to interview him; the interview itself was conducted by telephone. Ziegler asked, among other conditions, that I post a full transcript of the interview, which I have. The transcript below is intended to be representative as possible from my shorthand transcript, with the exception of two or three rapid-fire ad-hominem exchanges being edited out. The transcript, however, is not safe for work.

Nate Silver [NS]: Were only Obama supporters interviewed for the [Zogby] survey, or was everyone interviewed?
John Ziegler [JZ]: The reason why I interviewed Obama supporters only is because I’m doing a documentary on the media coverage of the campaign and how the media coverage of the campaign impacted what Obama supporters knew or thought they knew about the campaign. I had planned from day one because I knew that no one would take seriously any random sampling of interviewees that I was going to commission a scientific poll of these questions. I also knew that it would be a lot cheaper for me to do a nationwide survey of Obama voters than the nation as a whole because basically I’d only have to do half the number of people to get a representative sample. When I went on FOX last night, I made a deal that if anyone on the left -- you're more than willing to take me up on this -- wants to ask the exact same deal of the McCain supporters and you get examples that are equal to or worse than the Obama supporters, then I’ll pay for your expense. The point here was not to show that Obama supporters were idiots -- there are plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle -- but what information they got from the media that they were able to consume.

NS: Do you stand by all the statements in the survey as being unambiguously true?
JZ: I stand one hundred percent by the notion that there is absolutely zero ambiguity as to what the right answer is to any of the questions. With the one exception of the Palin-Russia-Alaska question which we asked the way we did for a very specific purpose which was to try and gauge the Tina Fey Effect which I think we did in a very effective manner which was what was actually said by Tina Fey, everyone attributed to Sarah Plain. But for purposes of scoring Obama supporters’ answers we counted Palin as a correct response.

NS: What was the right answer to that [Palin] question?
JZ: The technically accurate question [sic] is that none of the four people said that, but we counted it as correct if they said Sarah Palin.

NS: Why would you commission a survey question with no correct response?
JZ: The purpose of the question, you pinhead, was we wanted to determine the Tina Fey Effect.

NS: Were the interviews conducted by telephone or online?
JZ: How can you ask a question like that and pretend that you have any clue what you're writing about! That's unbelievable that someone could write what you did! That is unbelievable that you wouldn't know that it's a telephone or an online poll and that you went on my summaries of the questions before the questions were even released!

NS: We’ve heard reports from our readers that very similar questions had been asked in an online format. There was no online component at all?
JZ: That is correct, which you would have known if you had looked at the information. Before you called this a push poll -- you don't seem to know the definition of a push poll. How do you have this website?

NS: Is the complete interview available anywhere -- complete results for the interview?
JZ: Yeah if you had done your research it is all online, every question, all the cross-tabs. Man, you're never going to post this [transcript], are you?

NS: Were the respondents informed of the 'correct' response during the telephone interviews?
JZ: No.

NS: Did Zogby have a chance to preview the questions before agreeing to accept your business?
JZ: John Zogby himself or the company?

NS: Either/Or.
JZ: I am quite certain that if I asked a question they deemed inappropriate they would have not allowed the question to be asked.

NS: What questions were removed from the survey.
JZ: We didn't remove any, we edited some.

NS: What questions were edited?
JZ: Nothing was substantially edited but there was some wording on some that we went over with them. For instance, I think I had inadvertently said “See Russia from my home” instead of “See Russia from my house”. There was a distinction about Obama talking about energy prices versus electricity prices so we corrected that. That’s all that I can recollect.

NS: What did Zogby charge you -- what did you pay for this survey?
JZ: I'm not going to tell you that, I'm not a fucking idiot.

NS: Did he charge you at his usual rates or did he ask you for extra?
JZ: You'll have to ask them. I'm not going to respond how much money I paid for this. It was substantial but I’m not going to say anything more than that.

NS: In the Youtube video, how were the Obama supporters identified for the Youtube video?
JZ: I had nothing to do with it. I had a person who was working with me who happens to be a black female since you seem to think I’m a racist who was the one that chose all of the respondents based on conversations we’d had prior, people who were well-spoken, thought they were informed, willing to come on camera and [who] voted for Barack Obama.

NS: What was the location of the polling place where the interviews were conducted?
JZ: They were both in Los Angeles.

NS: Okay, that's what I kind of guessed. How many Obama supporters did you speak with in total?
JZ: All twelve we spoke with are in the video.

NS: Was there any significance to the fact that in the YouTube video, seven of the twelve Obama supporters were black?
JZ: [Laughs]. The reason why we had more black supporters – that might surprise some of the people that we spoke to -- if we go by your apparent ability to determine race -- the first location happened to be in a black section of town and we were able to get our interviews faster there because of they way that was set up, because of the logistics. We had a second location but it got dark and we didn't have any lights. So, that's it, it was no grand racial conspiracy.

NS: How did you represent yourself to John Zogby?
JZ: As private company, Death-of-Free-Speech-dot-inc which is the name of a book that I wrote.

NS: Did Zogby give you sign-off on the press release that he released on his website?
JZ: I'm not sure what you mean by sign-off. The press release I had input into, yes.

NS: Did you have financing for the project or was it paid for out of pocket?
JZ: It is not self-financed.

NS: Who paid for it?
JZ: You think I'm going to tell you that? When you've already shown yourself to be the enemy?

NS: Was it paid for by the RNC?
JZ: [Laughs]. In your world, the question that I would ask you is what question is there any ambiguity as to what the answer is?

NS: Well, that Obama 'launched his career' at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground --
JZ: That happens to be one of the questions that Obama supporters did the best on! They did better on that question than on any other Obama-related answers! And here you’re telling me that it’s not true?

NS: What do you mean by "launched his career"?
JZ: The first campaign as told by the person whose position he took in the State Senate, as told by her admission, his first campaign event was in the home of Bill Ayers and his wife. [Laughs] Unless you live in the Obama kool-aid world! That is astonishing to me that you would not accept that! And by the way, when you're given four responses to that question, what else was the response going to be? Sarah Palin?

NS: Well, her husband was a member of a secessionist party.
JZ: You are such a hack! That's a very good analogy.

NS: Do you think that certain types of voters are less well informed?
JZ: I think anyone that looks rationally at these poll results would have to conclude that Obama voters are incredibly poorly informed about major issues that occurred during the campaign -- my guess is because McCain voters got their information from different types of media than Obama voters did.

NS: What types of media would you consider credible?
JZ: I think you need a variety of sources, but I do not accept the notion that if it's not in the [I]New York Times it's not true and if it is in the New York Times it is. Just because Sean Hannity says something doesn't mean it’s not true.

NS: What is Barack Obama’s religion?
JZ: You'll have to ask him. But I do know that he never claimed to be a Christian until he met Reverend Wright. And I do believe -- and I’ve never held this against him -- that it would have been highly unlikely for him not to have been registered as a Muslim as a child in Indonsesia but who cares. He did change his website based on that reality –- he was far more ambiguous about that issue on Fight The Smears. I’m an agnostic so I couldn't care less what his religion is. I just care that he lied about it.

NS: When do you think Obama was a Muslim?
JZ: I think he was likely -- registered as a Muslim between the ages of 6 and 10 while he was going to school in Indonesia. It would have been highly unusual for him not to be.

NS: But would you personally consider Obama a Muslim?
JZ: No, because he was a child. We're talking about two totally different things. There's what religion you're born into and there's what religion you become because of your own decisions

NS: Would you consider Obama a Christian?
JZ: You'd have to ask him. There was never any evidence that he was a Christian until he decided to join the church of a racist hate-monger for political purposes.

NS: Would you not believe Barack Obama if he told you he was a Christian?
JZ: Does he believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God who died and was raised from the dead later?

NS: Do you think he’s a believer in Jesus Christ?
JZ: I have no way of knowing that. I don't think there's any evidence that he is, either.

NS: Do you have doubts about Barack Obama's birth certificate?
JZ: I couldn’t care less about that. I accept he was born in Hawaii.

NS: Would you consider yourself well-informed
JZ: I’d consider myself extremely well-informed.

NS: Who are the two senators from South Dakota
JZ: Thune and, uh, Johnson.

NS: Very good. South Carolina?
JZ: Go fuck yourself. I'm done with this interview if you're going to ask me stupid questions like that. Obviously I know who Lindsay Graham is.

NS: Well, since you’re running a website calling people misinformed, I’d like to see if -- there are certain things you’ve said that I would consider misinformed.
JZ: Misinformed? You're a piece of work! You are never going to have the guts to post a representative transcript on your website! I thought you actually ran a legitimate website!

NS: Thank you, have a good day.
JZ: Go fuck yourself.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 06:48 PM

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:50 PM

An Interview with John Ziegler on the Zogby "Push Poll" (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html)

<style>#fullpost {display:none;}</style> I had the chance this afternoon to speak with John Ziegler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ziegler_%28talk_show_host%29#Controversies), a documentary filmmaker and former radio talk show host who built the website HowObamaGotElected.com (http://howobamagotelected.com/) and is promoting a forthcoming documentary of the same name.

Ziegler was responsible for commissioning a Zogby International survey of Barack Obama supporters, which took the form of a multiple choice political knowledge test, stating a "fact" to the respondent and asking them which of the four major candidates (Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin) the statement applied to. Because I believe that many of the statements on the survey are questionable or false but are misleadingly presented as factual to the respondent, I characterized the survey as a "push poll" (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/zogby-engages-in-apparent-push-polling.html) in an article posted early this morning.

Ziegler had contacted me by e-mail, asking if I'd like to interview him; the interview itself was conducted by telephone. Ziegler asked, among other conditions, that I post a full transcript of the interview, which I have. The transcript below is intended to be representative as possible from my shorthand transcript, with the exception of two or three rapid-fire ad-hominem exchanges being edited out. The transcript, however, is not safe for work.

Nate Silver [NS]: Were only Obama supporters interviewed for the [Zogby] survey, or was everyone interviewed?
John Ziegler [JZ]: The reason why I interviewed Obama supporters only is because I’m doing a documentary on the media coverage of the campaign and how the media coverage of the campaign impacted what Obama supporters knew or thought they knew about the campaign. I had planned from day one because I knew that no one would take seriously any random sampling of interviewees that I was going to commission a scientific poll of these questions. I also knew that it would be a lot cheaper for me to do a nationwide survey of Obama voters than the nation as a whole because basically I’d only have to do half the number of people to get a representative sample. When I went on FOX last night, I made a deal that if anyone on the left -- you're more than willing to take me up on this -- wants to ask the exact same deal of the McCain supporters and you get examples that are equal to or worse than the Obama supporters, then I’ll pay for your expense. The point here was not to show that Obama supporters were idiots -- there are plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle -- but what information they got from the media that they were able to consume.

NS: Do you stand by all the statements in the survey as being unambiguously true?
JZ: I stand one hundred percent by the notion that there is absolutely zero ambiguity as to what the right answer is to any of the questions. With the one exception of the Palin-Russia-Alaska question which we asked the way we did for a very specific purpose which was to try and gauge the Tina Fey Effect which I think we did in a very effective manner which was what was actually said by Tina Fey, everyone attributed to Sarah Plain. But for purposes of scoring Obama supporters’ answers we counted Palin as a correct response.

NS: What was the right answer to that [Palin] question?
JZ: The technically accurate question [sic] is that none of the four people said that, but we counted it as correct if they said Sarah Palin.

NS: Why would you commission a survey question with no correct response?
JZ: The purpose of the question, you pinhead, was we wanted to determine the Tina Fey Effect.

NS: Were the interviews conducted by telephone or online?
JZ: How can you ask a question like that and pretend that you have any clue what you're writing about! That's unbelievable that someone could write what you did! That is unbelievable that you wouldn't know that it's a telephone or an online poll and that you went on my summaries of the questions before the questions were even released!

NS: We’ve heard reports from our readers that very similar questions had been asked in an online format. There was no online component at all?
JZ: That is correct, which you would have known if you had looked at the information. Before you called this a push poll -- you don't seem to know the definition of a push poll. How do you have this website?

NS: Is the complete interview available anywhere -- complete results for the interview?
JZ: Yeah if you had done your research it is all online, every question, all the cross-tabs. Man, you're never going to post this [transcript], are you?

NS: Were the respondents informed of the 'correct' response during the telephone interviews?
JZ: No.

NS: Did Zogby have a chance to preview the questions before agreeing to accept your business?
JZ: John Zogby himself or the company?

NS: Either/Or.
JZ: I am quite certain that if I asked a question they deemed inappropriate they would have not allowed the question to be asked.

NS: What questions were removed from the survey.
JZ: We didn't remove any, we edited some.

NS: What questions were edited?
JZ: Nothing was substantially edited but there was some wording on some that we went over with them. For instance, I think I had inadvertently said “See Russia from my home” instead of “See Russia from my house”. There was a distinction about Obama talking about energy prices versus electricity prices so we corrected that. That’s all that I can recollect.

NS: What did Zogby charge you -- what did you pay for this survey?
JZ: I'm not going to tell you that, I'm not a ****ing idiot.

NS: Did he charge you at his usual rates or did he ask you for extra?
JZ: You'll have to ask them. I'm not going to respond how much money I paid for this. It was substantial but I’m not going to say anything more than that.

NS: In the Youtube video, how were the Obama supporters identified for the Youtube video?
JZ: I had nothing to do with it. I had a person who was working with me who happens to be a black female since you seem to think I’m a racist who was the one that chose all of the respondents based on conversations we’d had prior, people who were well-spoken, thought they were informed, willing to come on camera and [who] voted for Barack Obama.

NS: What was the location of the polling place where the interviews were conducted?
JZ: They were both in Los Angeles.

NS: Okay, that's what I kind of guessed. How many Obama supporters did you speak with in total?
JZ: All twelve we spoke with are in the video.

NS: Was there any significance to the fact that in the YouTube video, seven of the twelve Obama supporters were black?
JZ: [Laughs]. The reason why we had more black supporters – that might surprise some of the people that we spoke to -- if we go by your apparent ability to determine race -- the first location happened to be in a black section of town and we were able to get our interviews faster there because of they way that was set up, because of the logistics. We had a second location but it got dark and we didn't have any lights. So, that's it, it was no grand racial conspiracy.

NS: How did you represent yourself to John Zogby?
JZ: As private company, Death-of-Free-Speech-dot-inc which is the name of a book that I wrote.

NS: Did Zogby give you sign-off on the press release that he released on his website?
JZ: I'm not sure what you mean by sign-off. The press release I had input into, yes.

NS: Did you have financing for the project or was it paid for out of pocket?
JZ: It is not self-financed.

NS: Who paid for it?
JZ: You think I'm going to tell you that? When you've already shown yourself to be the enemy?

NS: Was it paid for by the RNC?
JZ: [Laughs]. In your world, the question that I would ask you is what question is there any ambiguity as to what the answer is?

NS: Well, that Obama 'launched his career' at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground --
JZ: That happens to be one of the questions that Obama supporters did the best on! They did better on that question than on any other Obama-related answers! And here you’re telling me that it’s not true?

NS: What do you mean by "launched his career"?
JZ: The first campaign as told by the person whose position he took in the State Senate, as told by her admission, his first campaign event was in the home of Bill Ayers and his wife. [Laughs] Unless you live in the Obama kool-aid world! That is astonishing to me that you would not accept that! And by the way, when you're given four responses to that question, what else was the response going to be? Sarah Palin?

NS: Well, her husband was a member of a secessionist party.
JZ: You are such a hack! That's a very good analogy.

NS: Do you think that certain types of voters are less well informed?
JZ: I think anyone that looks rationally at these poll results would have to conclude that Obama voters are incredibly poorly informed about major issues that occurred during the campaign -- my guess is because McCain voters got their information from different types of media than Obama voters did.

NS: What types of media would you consider credible?
JZ: I think you need a variety of sources, but I do not accept the notion that if it's not in the [I]New York Times it's not true and if it is in the New York Times it is. Just because Sean Hannity says something doesn't mean it’s not true.

NS: What is Barack Obama’s religion?
JZ: You'll have to ask him. But I do know that he never claimed to be a Christian until he met Reverend Wright. And I do believe -- and I’ve never held this against him -- that it would have been highly unlikely for him not to have been registered as a Muslim as a child in Indonsesia but who cares. He did change his website based on that reality –- he was far more ambiguous about that issue on Fight The Smears. I’m an agnostic so I couldn't care less what his religion is. I just care that he lied about it.

NS: When do you think Obama was a Muslim?
JZ: I think he was likely -- registered as a Muslim between the ages of 6 and 10 while he was going to school in Indonesia. It would have been highly unusual for him not to be.

NS: But would you personally consider Obama a Muslim?
JZ: No, because he was a child. We're talking about two totally different things. There's what religion you're born into and there's what religion you become because of your own decisions

NS: Would you consider Obama a Christian?
JZ: You'd have to ask him. There was never any evidence that he was a Christian until he decided to join the church of a racist hate-monger for political purposes.

NS: Would you not believe Barack Obama if he told you he was a Christian?
JZ: Does he believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God who died and was raised from the dead later?

NS: Do you think he’s a believer in Jesus Christ?
JZ: I have no way of knowing that. I don't think there's any evidence that he is, either.

NS: Do you have doubts about Barack Obama's birth certificate?
JZ: I couldn’t care less about that. I accept he was born in Hawaii.

NS: Would you consider yourself well-informed
JZ: I’d consider myself extremely well-informed.

NS: Who are the two senators from South Dakota
JZ: Thune and, uh, Johnson.

NS: Very good. South Carolina?
JZ: Go **** yourself. I'm done with this interview if you're going to ask me stupid questions like that. Obviously I know who Lindsay Graham is.

NS: Well, since you’re running a website calling people misinformed, I’d like to see if -- there are certain things you’ve said that I would consider misinformed.
JZ: Misinformed? You're a piece of work! You are never going to have the guts to post a representative transcript on your website! I thought you actually ran a legitimate website!

NS: Thank you, have a good day.
JZ: Go **** yourself.

Find me the ones critiquing the Palin shit on youtube, Hamas. it took you quite a while to find that. I'll give you another 60 minutes. carry on.

D2112

11-18-2008, 06:52 PM

They sure are stupid. Stupid people. I wonder if they'd be dumb enough to repost the video even though it is already on the front page?

Stupid dum-dums.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196928

Critiquing dummys that only can't get enough of defending this shit. if you weren't retarded you would notice the thread header you posted had nothing to do with the actual name of the video. but that's not surprising (you being a bit slow)

'Hamas' Jenkins

11-18-2008, 06:57 PM

Find me the ones critiquing the Palin shit on youtube, Hamas. it took you quite a while to find that. I'll give you another 60 minutes. carry on.

You might want to go look through my last 30 or so posts, which have all been about the NFL draft before you start baselessly hypothesizing what I've been spending my time on.

And 538 is a site, that I like, totally never link to or anything. I mean, since I put it in Kotter's sig and all..

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 06:59 PM

Critiquing dummys that only can't get enough of defending this shit. if you weren't retarded you would notice the thread header you posted had nothing to do with the actual name of the video. but that's not surprising (you being a bit slow)

I'm slow?

You didn't even realize it was the same video.

Carry on nutjob. Let me know when you find Obama's kenyan birth certificate.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:00 PM

I'm slow?

You didn't even realize it was the same video.

Carry on nutjob. Let me know when you find Obama's kenyan birth certificate.

I didn't realize it was the same video? :spock:

Yes, you are retarded. continue your cum guzzling love in.

ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins

11-18-2008, 07:01 PM

If you want me to further curb stomp your argument:

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:03 PM

You might want to go look through my last 30 or so posts, which have all been about the NFL draft before you start baselessly hypothesizing what I've been spending my time on.

And 538 is a site, that I like, totally never link to or anything. I mean, since I put it in Kotter's sig and all..

ROFL

I was being sarcastic with you, you jackass. ;)

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:04 PM

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D2112

11-18-2008, 07:04 PM

If you want me to further curb stomp your argument:

Nice screen print :thumb:

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:08 PM

I didn't realize it was the same video? :spock:

Yes, you are retarded. continue your cum guzzling love in.

ROFL

Because you're stupid I'm a cum guzzler? Is that your logic?

Well if you can't beat em join em.:

My dog doesn't bark so you take it up the ass without giving the courtesy of a reach around.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:10 PM

Nice screen print :thumb:

Alcohol may be involved.

I got belittled about this last night

Come witness the oppression of the system.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:12 PM

Alcohol may be involved.

I got belittled about this last night

Come witness the oppression of the system.

So now you're the oppressed? Well I would help you but that would be socialism.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:14 PM

Because you're stupid I'm a cum guzzler? Is that your logic?

Well if you can't beat em join em.:

My dog doesn't bark so you take it up the ass without giving the courtesy of a reach around.
No - you are stupid regardless of your cum sucking history. But - From a distance - you seem like a cum sucker.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:16 PM

No - you are stupid regardless of your cum sucking history. But - From a distance - you seem like a cum sucker.

Velvet pussy enamorated by cum.

Whod'a thunk?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:17 PM

So now you're the oppressed? Well I would help you but that would be socialism.

FYI - being an idiot - I should have made sure that you understand Monty Python - I guess you don't.

Dude - you are taking yourself to serious. Chill.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:17 PM

Velvet pussy enamorated by cum.

Whod'a thunk?

Is that the best you got?

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:19 PM

FYI - being an idiot - I should have made sure that you understand Monty Python - I guess you don't.

Dude - you are taking yourself to serious. Chill.

LOL. You don't even know me. To try to tell me how I'm taking anything serious or not is just your opinion. A wrong one at that. I'm spitting soda all over my keyboard because all your guys stupid shit is HILARIOUS.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:22 PM

Because you're stupid I'm a cum guzzler? Is that your logic?

Well if you can't beat em join em.:

My dog doesn't bark so you take it up the ass without giving the courtesy of a reach around.

You're a fucking retard. yes. If the thread header doesn't say ''How Obama got Elected'' (the name of said video, you fucking idiot) I should have already seen it? :spock:

Idiot

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:23 PM

J Jizzy, where are your friends? they're not backing you in this thread, why?

I think I know why.

DaFace

11-18-2008, 07:24 PM

Meh. It's a publicity stunt for the guy's documentary. Even if it weren't a push poll, I don't think it's any secret that there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:24 PM

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:25 PM

You're a ****ing retard. yes. If the thread header doesn't say ''How Obama got Elected'' (the name of said video, you ****ing idiot) I should have already seen it? :spock:

Idiot

Blame velvet pussy for being a retard and not putting it in the header. I mean it was so well hidden like 8 threads below this collection of turds.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:26 PM

J Jizzy, where are your friends? they're not backing you in this thread, why?

I think I know why.

Because me taking 2 of you retards on at once is fair fight?

:shrug:

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:27 PM

Blame velvet pussy for being a retard and not putting it in the header. I mean it was so well hidden like 8 threads below this collection of turds.

Cool - I am amazed that you are betterer at html. Is that the affirmation that you are needing?

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:29 PM

I know that you are an ideological dipsh!t. FYI - that is not soda.

ROFL

That's clever what you did there.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:29 PM

Blame velvet pussy for being a retard and not putting it in the header. I mean it was so well hidden like 8 threads below this collection of turds.

No, you're the one that called me out because of your own confusion, idiot. so I'm blaming you.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:30 PM

Because me taking 2 of you retards on at once is fair fight?

:shrug:

It's a handicap match. usually the one with retard strength is the one against the two sane people. just sayin'

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:31 PM

Cool - I am amazed that you are betterer at html. Is that the affirmation that you are needing?

I need no affirmation from you or anybody else.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:32 PM

Because me taking 2 of you retards on at once is fair fight?

:shrug:

This is the internets dude - you are taking on your keyboard. Got an idea - you can write a screen play called 'Fingers of fury' to document your experience of dealing with two people at once on the internets - alone and by your self - on the internets.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:32 PM

No, you're the one that called me out because of your own confusion, idiot. so I'm blaming you.
ROFL
Well suck my balls.

It's the same fucking video, put 2 and 2 together.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:34 PM

This is the internets dude - you are taking on your keyboard. Got an idea - you can write a screen play called 'Fingers of fury' to document your experience of dealing with two people at once on the internets - alone and by your self - on the internets.

What?

That's pretty stupid.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:34 PM

ROFL
Well suck my balls.

It's the same ****ing video, put 2 and 2 together.

Why don't you suck my dick and stop breathing?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:35 PM

What?

That's pretty stupid.

What? - you suck at this

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:36 PM

Why don't you suck my dick and stop breathing?

Perhaps if you are looking to find a man lover who is into your kinky shit you should go to www.adultfriendfinder.com

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:37 PM

Perhaps if you are looking to find a man lover who is into your kinky shit you should go to www.adultfriendfinder.com

Hey, you wanted me to suck your balls first. :shrug:

You should try this, maybe more up your alley.

http://adultsheepfinder.com/

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:37 PM

What? - you suck at this

Another stupid one. I mean come on? At least try to keep up.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:39 PM

Hey, you wanted me to suck my balls first. :shrug:

You should try this, maybe more up your alley.

http://adultsheepfinder.com/

Cool, how many you picked up from there? Do I get a discount if I say I know you?

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:40 PM

Cool, how many you picked up from there? Do I get a discount if I say I know you?

Again, you wanted me to suck on your balls. you really are an idiot.

ROFL

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:41 PM

J diddy is frustrated. Some one need to give him some love because he is failing badly. I will misspell something to give him something that he can critiisize me about.

Ustacould. - giddy up.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:42 PM

Again, you wanted me to suck on your balls. you really are an idiot.

ROFL

No I told you to suck my balls.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:44 PM

J diddy is frustrated. Some one need to give him some love because he is failing badly. I will misspell something to give him something that he can critiisize me about.

Ustacould. - giddy up.

oh, burnnnnnnnnnn

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:44 PM

Again, you wanted me to suck on your balls. you really are an idiot.

ROFL

Come on-suck his balls because he is right. J diddy gets his balls sucked when J diddy wants his balls sucked.

D2112

11-18-2008, 07:44 PM

No I told you to suck my balls.

I will give you credit. you certainly are persistent over nonsense.

ROFL

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:44 PM

Come on-suck his balls because he is right. J diddy gets his balls sucked when J diddy wants his balls sucked.

Now you got it.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:45 PM

J diddy is an idiot - point - set match

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:45 PM

I will give you credit. you certainly are persistent over nonsense.

ROFL

Touche.

et tu

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:46 PM

J diddy is an idiot - point - set match

Velvet Jones licks the assholes of donkeys-point-set match.

See what I did there, I mocked you. See. See.

Jenson71

11-18-2008, 07:46 PM

7 uninformed voters got Obama elected?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:47 PM

Velvet Jones licks the assholes of donkeys-point-set match.

See what I did there, I mocked you. See. See.

Cool - you know dirty words. I'm impressed.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:48 PM

7 uninformed voters got Obama elected?

No the misinformed people on the video represent all the people who voted for Obama.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:48 PM

Cool - you know dirty words. I'm impressed.

I'm sorry I'll clean it up.

Velvet jones licks the booties of donkeys-point-set-match.

Jenson71

11-18-2008, 07:49 PM

No the misinformed people on the video represent all the people who voted for Obama.

Ah, of course :)

dirk digler

11-18-2008, 07:53 PM

Meh. It's a publicity stunt for the guy's documentary. Even if it weren't a push poll, I don't think it's any secret that there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.

Yep.

I posted a couple of videos of the stupid redneck white trailer park trash McCain\Palin supporters and I am not brandishing all McCain supporters like that.

Sully

11-18-2008, 07:53 PM

No the misinformed people on the video represent all the people who voted for Obama.

Every.
Single.
One.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 07:54 PM

7 uninformed voters got Obama elected?

Good job Jenson - you failed at noticing that a black woman (colored girl for you whiteys) picked the 512 people that were included in the poll. Nice to know that.

Rain Man

11-18-2008, 07:56 PM

These people are almost as uninformed as I am.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 07:56 PM

Good job Jenson - you failed at noticing that a black woman (colored girl for you whiteys) picked the 512 people that were included in the poll. Nice to know that.

What does that have to do with anything?

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:04 PM

http://www.postwhoring.com/forums/images/smilies/lolwut.gif

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/suriyasiero/553px-Lol_que.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/LOL_WUT_IRL.jpg

ROFL

That's awesome. I knew if I got any responce at all from the right side of the aisle it would be nothing more than retardation. It's great the way you guys could play the stupidity card so often during the election with all the complete crap about Obama that people were so eager to believe. Lots of good all the smear did eh? He got elected by a landslide anyway.

Anyone who doesn't think there are plenty of uninformed voters of both sides is so out of touch it's just scary. But ok I guess you can feel like you made your point. You found some Obama supporters who don't follow politics very closely. Congratulations. Like anyone ever said they didn't exist.

You guys play the victim card better than any "whiney libby" I ever seen. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

Jenson71

11-18-2008, 08:11 PM

Good job Jenson - you failed at noticing that a black woman (colored girl for you whiteys) picked the 512 people that were included in the poll. Nice to know that.

"And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!"

Stop the presses! We're all retarded!

D2112

11-18-2008, 08:19 PM

That's awesome. I knew if I got any responce at all from the right side of the aisle it would be nothing more than retardation. It's great the way you guys could play the stupidity card so often during the election with all the complete crap about Obama that people were so eager to believe. Lots of good all the smear did eh? He got elected by a landslide anyway.

Anyone who doesn't think there are plenty of uninformed voters of both sides is so out of touch it's just scary. But ok I guess you can feel like you made your point. You found some Obama supporters who don't follow politics very closely. Congratulations. Like anyone ever said they didn't exist.

You guys play the victim card better than any "whiney libby" I ever seen. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

If there are more uninformed Obama voters that means there are more uninformed voters period. who won the election?

Logical

11-18-2008, 08:21 PM

J Jizzy, where are your friends? they're not backing you in this thread, why?

I think I know why.Because the thread is so pointless and silly, it really does not warrant responding with an intelligent comment. Would it make you feel better if I admitted those same exact intellect of people probably voted for McCain and all they watched was Fox so they would have got the negative push questions about Obama right and the ones about McCain wrong?

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:21 PM

If there are more uninformed Obama voters that means there are more uninformed voters period. who won the election?

So the last 8 years were the result of "informed" voters.

I'll take my chances with the uninformed.

D2112

11-18-2008, 08:24 PM

So the last 8 years were the result of "informed" voters.

I'll take my chances with the uninformed.

Stay on topic.

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:25 PM

If there are more uninformed Obama voters that means there are more uninformed voters period. who won the election?

I think I lost about a million brain cells trying to decifer your point.

Yes, there are plenty of uninformed voters on both sides. And? If you can't distinguish a difference between someone not knowing what party controls congress... because they obviously don't pay much attention to politics... with people actually believing Obama is a muslim because they gladly swallow rw talk points without question..... then who's really the more stupid ones?

D2112

11-18-2008, 08:25 PM

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:26 PM

Stay on topic.

What?

That might the only thing I've posted on this turd of a repost that is on topic.

Logical

11-18-2008, 08:27 PM

Good job Jenson - you failed at noticing that a black woman (colored girl for you whiteys) picked the 512 people that were included in the poll. Nice to know that.I have a question, is the racist schtick part of your on screen persona and if so doesn''t the fact you find that funny make you a racist?

D2112

11-18-2008, 08:28 PM

What?

That might the only thing I've posted on this turd of a repost that is on topic.

English?

Logical

11-18-2008, 08:29 PM

Yes, it would make me feel better.

Thanks, CRONUS.Your welcome. I really want to pull a Donger on you but it would require effort.:evil:

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:31 PM

No the misinformed people on the video represent all the people who voted for Obama.

These misinformed people are that way because the media didn't do their job. Suck it.

D2112

11-18-2008, 08:31 PM

I think I lost about a million brain cells trying to decifer your point.

Yes, there are plenty of uninformed voters on both sides. And??

There was a majority of people that voted for Obama. maybe because he won by getting these idiots votes? maybe they were the ''difference''?

If you can't distinguish a difference between someone not knowing what party controls congress... because they obviously don't pay much attention to politics... with people actually believing Obama is a muslim because they gladly swallow rw talk points without question..... then who's really the more stupid ones?

I lost about a million brain cells on this one. what are you talking about?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:33 PM

"And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!"

Stop the presses! We're all retarded!

Yes you are - I got an extra bike helmet if you need to use it.

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:34 PM

There was a majority of people that voted for Obama. maybe because he won by getting these idiots votes? maybe they were the ''difference''?

I lost about a million brain cells on this one. what are you talking about?

ROFL Ok I shouldn't have expected you to follow along. Thanks for making my point for me. I think I'm done here.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:41 PM

Because the thread is so pointless and silly, it really does not warrant responding with an intelligent comment. Would it make you feel better if I admitted those same exact intellect of people probably voted for McCain and all they watched was Fox so they would have got the negative push questions about Obama right and the ones about McCain wrong?

So - your point is the thread doesn't need comment because you are smarterererer than that but yet you comment about this thread? So your are either stupid or a shrill or both.

This is about how the people that voted for Osama-bric-brac-obmama are uninformed. Its about the media - not you - you arrogant fvck nut. Get over yourself - and tell J diddy to do the same.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:42 PM

Velvet Jones licks the assholes of donkeys-point-set match.

See what I did there, I mocked you. See. See.

Cool - you said I like ass holes. Are you happy now?

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:42 PM

English?

be

I forgot a be

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:43 PM

Yes you are - I got an extra bike helmet if you need to use it.

You should hold on to that.

I suspect you run right through them.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:44 PM

Cool - you said I like ass holes. Are you happy now?

See it was stupid.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:46 PM

I have a question, is the racist schtick part of your on screen persona and if so doesn''t the fact you find that funny make you a racist?

I am a spelling Nazi - you have a word either mispelteded or is dune are grammammatically incorrect in your post. It is against my credo to respond to such an uneducated idiot as you. Piss off.

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:49 PM

Osama

And with one little word velvet proves the point of just why this thread is so stupid. Really... are some of you actually this dumb?

That fact that you insist on "connecting" Obama to terrorism with your cute little names while calling out people who supported Obama... who simply didn't know things much less dangerous than that way of thinking... is proof positive that you can't tell your ass from a hole in the ground.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:50 PM

I am a spelling Nazi - you have a word either mispelteded or is dune are grammammatically incorrect in your post. It is against my credo to respond to such a uneducated idiot as you. Piss off.

could it be?

NO

Maybe it might be?

NO way

I think it is.

Ladies and gentleman Tom Jones.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:51 PM

And with one little word velvet proves the point of just why this thread is so stupid. Really... are some of you actually this dumb?

That fact that you insist on "connecting" Obama to terrorism with your cute little names while calling out people who supported Obama... who simply didn't know things much less dangerous than that way of thinking... is proof positive that you can't tell your ass from a hole in the ground.

Oh she knows where her ass is. It's usually filled with unsuspecting hitchhikers love glue.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:51 PM

I have a question, is the racist schtick part of your on screen persona and if so doesn''t the fact you find that funny make you a racist?

FYI - the only people I hate are people who don't understand other cultures and their importance in the world and the Dutch.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 08:52 PM

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:53 PM

Oh she knows where her ass is. It's usually filled with unsuspecting hitchhikers love glue.

I honestly feel bad for some of these types of people.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 08:55 PM

I honestly feel bad for some of these types of people.

The hitchhikers? me too, 2 weeks later after the results of the blood tests they're hating life.

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 08:59 PM

The hitchhikers? me too, 2 weeks later after the results of the blood tests they're hating life.

Heh I meant velvet and the like... but yea... that too.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 09:03 PM

Heh I meant velvet and the like... but yea... that too.

FYI - this is what jIZ and others has been doing for 8 years. I have been listening to shit for 8 years - about all the lies - all the intentional mis representation. You are in for a long 4 years at least. And J Jizzy is gay as well.

My - well the chickens have come to roost - haven't they.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 09:06 PM

Dr. Johnny Fever

11-18-2008, 09:07 PM

FYI - this is what jIZ and others has been doing for 8 years. I have been listening to shit for 8 years - about all the lies - all the intentional mis representation. You are in for a long 4 years at least. And J Jizzy is gay as well.

My - well the chickens have come to roost - haven't they.

A. So two wrongs make a right?
B. Resorting to calling someone gay because you don't agree with them says all about your intellectual capacity that I need to know.

Bowser

11-18-2008, 09:09 PM

Heh. I see that today is the day that it sank in for Parcells that Obama REALLY DID win the presidency, so he decided to get drunk and let loose with the Righteous Conservative Anger Thread. You don't get that spell until Level 8.

:D

Logical

11-18-2008, 09:10 PM

FYI - the only people I hate are people who don't understand other cultures and their importance in the world and the Dutch.So is this your subtle way of saying that you understand where blacks and their culture fit in our world in regards to importance?

Mr. Kotter

11-18-2008, 09:27 PM

Simply more reinforcement....

of the complete and utter stupidity of the average American voter. In fairness, a similar video could have easily been made with McCain voters, so this thing isn't left or right, democrat or republican; American stupidity is, clearly, bi-partisan in nature.

It really is....pathetic. :shake:

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 09:30 PM

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 09:53 PM

So is this your subtle way of saying that you understand where blacks and their culture fit in our world in regards to importance?

Hehehehe WTF are you talking about?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 09:55 PM

I'm gay only for you.

Cool - you can be my gay friend - are you Asian because my Asian friend moved to Jersey two weeks ago. I can kill two birds with one stone on this one.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 09:58 PM

Cool - you can be my gay friend - are you Asian because my Asian friend moved to Jersey two weeks ago. I can kill two birds with one stone on this one.

My wife might object to me going cross country for a gay affair so I suppose i'll pass.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:01 PM

LOL. You don't even know me. To try to tell me how I'm taking anything serious or not is just your opinion. A wrong one at that. I'm spitting soda all over my keyboard because all your guys stupid shit is HILARIOUS.

I do know you - you are part idiot. I like that you are amazed at small shiny objects. Also - the way you spout stupid shit, it makes me all warm knowing that there is a village out there somewhere for you.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:01 PM

My wife might object to me going cross country for a gay affair so I suppose i'll pass.

No affair - just friends - thank you.

Bowser

11-18-2008, 10:04 PM

I do know you - you are part idiot. I like that you are amazed at small shiny objects. Also - the way you spout stupid shit, it makes me all warm knowing that there is a village out there somewhere for you.

This post is amazingly close to something Tom would post.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:08 PM

This post is amazingly close to something Tom would post.

Are you calling me "Uncle Tom"? You are a racist.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:10 PM

This post is amazingly close to something Tom would post.

I am trying to compete with jIZ - circa 2002 - 2008.

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:12 PM

which believe it or not, through the name calling and insults, was my point all along

in fact I posted it in the original thread

Someone called you a name. You need to re-read the thread and the other thread from last night. You started this or are you not willing to admit that - either.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 10:14 PM

Someone called you a name. You need to re-read the thread and the other thread from last night. You started this or are you not willing to admit that - either.

I never said that

re-read my post or can't you comprendo?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:18 PM

I never said that

re-read my post or can't you comprendo?

Never said what? You said that "all the name calling". Your started that last night with me - or are you not remembering that. Blackouts are the last step before death when it comes to alcoholism. Get some help.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 10:25 PM

Never said what? You said that "all the name calling". Your started that last night with me - or are you not remembering that. Blackouts are the last step before death when it comes to alcoholism. Get some help.

Please show me anywhere in my post where it states that I wasn't part of the name calling. FWIW, I've been calling you velvet pussy for a while. Apparently last night is the first time you caught on. Now please continue for the benefit of those who "blackout." What in my post said I wasn't part of it?

Velvet_Jones

11-18-2008, 10:29 PM

Please show me anywhere in my post where it states that I wasn't part of the name calling. FWIW, I've been calling you velvet pussy for a while. Apparently last night is the first time you caught on. Now please continue for the benefit of those who "blackout." What in my post said I wasn't part of it?
Just look at last night and then STFU.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 10:35 PM

Just look at last night and then STFU.

Um were you replying to the post where I said "which believe it or not, through the name calling and insults, was my point all along"?

Please tell me where I am assigning blame or it is even relevant?

My point is and was, and you can look it up in your original thread, there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.

As far as the extracurricular activity, first of all I find it insulting that that video implied that because I voted for Obama I am uninformed

second, you're an easy target

Spicy McHaggis

11-18-2008, 10:44 PM

I'm confused. I thought Obama got elected because he got the required amount of electoral votes.

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 10:50 PM

I'm confused. I thought Obama got elected because he got the required amount of electoral votes.

It's the rights cute little way of saying everyone who voted for obama is stupid.

Mr. Kotter

11-18-2008, 10:51 PM

I'm confused. I thought Obama got elected because he got the required amount of electoral votes.

Well, you gotta admit....that argument was NOT too persuasive to a lot of lefties when W. got more electoral votes in 2000.

:hmmm:

;)

It's the rights cute little way of saying everyone who voted for obama is stupid.

Haven't we been hearing the same, in reverse, about W's supporters....for 8 years or so???

:hmmm:

J Diddy

11-18-2008, 11:09 PM

Haven't we been hearing the same, in reverse, about W's supporters....for 8 years or so???

:hmmm:

Please show me where they posted it in such a way to try to portray scientific fact.

D2112

11-19-2008, 06:05 AM

SHTSPRAYER

11-19-2008, 08:14 AM

http://www.moonbattery.com/emperor-obama.jpg

ROFL

BCD

11-19-2008, 02:37 PM

LMAO Now, there's an informed bunch. I knew the answer to all of his questions, and I voted Obama. Some people are just dumb...

ROYC75

11-19-2008, 04:38 PM

WOW, we all knew this world is full of dumb people, but this was simple info all of them should have known.

Calcountry

11-19-2008, 05:05 PM

Useful idiots.