Ted Stevens Loses

[irishjayhawk]

He lost reelection.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/STEVENS?SITE=AZPHG

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens has lost his bid for a seventh term. The longest-serving Republican in the history of the Senate trailed Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich by 3,724 votes after Tuesday's count. That's an insurmountable lead with only about 2,500 overseas ballots left to be counted.

[Frankie]

Good riddance. One of Sarah Palin's doors just got shut.

[Jenson71]

Well, they'll probably recount, and it will last til December, right?

Hopefully he's gone.

[Logical]

What a shame, Palin being eliminated for this position is good news.

[Logical]

Well, they'll probably recount, and it will last til December, right?

Hopefully he's gone.According to the news tonight, no. Alaska is so small that Begich's current 3750+ vote lead means no recount is needed.

[irishjayhawk]

Well, they'll probably recount, and it will last til December, right?

Hopefully he's gone.

No, because the ballots that are being counted right now (for the official election) have put it past the limit.

I don't think there will be a recount.

[irishjayhawk]

According to the news tonight, no. Alaska is so small that Begich's current 3750+ vote lead means no recount is needed.

Correct. And that's the lead helped by the count of the missing ballots. AND there are 2500 left to count. Which means it'll probably get bigger.

[RJ]

So were these most recent votes received by dog sled?

[Ultra Peanut]

"No!"

[Frankie]

BTW, isn't Ted Stevens the same clown who said that the internet is a series of connected tubes?

[irishjayhawk]

BTW, isn't Ted Stevens the same clown who said that the internet is a series of connected tubes?

Yes.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

BTW, isn't Ted Stevens the same clown who said that the internet is a series of connected tubes?

Yes and he was in favor of restricting it, Ted Stevens will get his just desserts a cold cell and BF bubba. Now Mark Begich on the other hand is already my 2nd favorite democrat, his brother Nick has written some excellent material on the HAARP program.

[Miles]

Wonder if he received this news via an internet sent by his staff to his own personal internet?

[Earthling]

Yes and he was in favor of restricting it, Ted Stevens will get his just desserts a cold cell and BF bubba. Now Mark Begich on the other hand is already my 2nd favorite democrat, his brother Nick has written some excellent material on the HAARP program.

Certainly his crimes could land him in jail but I would bet he will never spend a night there.

[Basileus777]

According to the news tonight, no. Alaska is so small that Begich's current 3750+ vote lead means no recount is needed.

It means there will be no free mandatory recount, but Stevens is quite capable of paying the $15k necessary to get one if he wished. I doubt it will change the results however, 3700 is too much of a lead for a recount to make a difference.

[SNR]

A re-election isn.. . it's.. it's not a big truck.

[Ultra Peanut]

Our Stevens, who art in Alaska
Earmarks be thy name
Thy airport come
Bridge to Nowhere run
From Gravina even unto Ketchikan
Give us this day our daily bribe
And forgive us our kickbacks
As we forgive those who kick back to us
And lead us unto the land of drilling, and deliver to us windfalls
For thine is the Grill, and the Towers,
and the Porch that wraps around forever
and ever
Amen

[memyselfI]

Closer to the 60. Look for that last vote to magically become possible.

[penchief]

Closer to the 60. Look for that last vote to magically become possible.

Magically? Are you implying something?

[mlyonsd]

Regardless of Steven's being convicted or not he served too many terms in the Senate anyway. Ba-bye.

[tiptap]

Can we say Presidential pardon.

[FishingRod]

One crook gone, Most of the rest to go.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Stevens is a scumbag.

What's the status of the jefferson fella in Louisiana? The one who had $100 K cash in his refrigerator?

[splatbass]

What's the status of the jefferson fella in Louisiana? The one who had $100 K cash in his refrigerator?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the Bush Justice Department, since they are the ones who have been responsible for prosecuting him.

[RaiderH8r]

Stevens is a scumbag.

What's the status of the jefferson fella in Louisiana? The one who had $100 K cash in his refrigerator?

He's somwhere in Louisiana "finding" a suitcase full of cash on a roadside. Barney Frank is still wrapped up with male hookers. Mary Jo Kopechne is still out for a swim and Gerry Studds still don't give a f@(k what you people think.

[penchief]

Stevens is a scumbag.

What's the status of the jefferson fella in Louisiana? The one who had $100 K cash in his refrigerator?

Well, after all it is Louisiana. Maybe that Vitter fella can tell you more about it.

[frazod]

This prick is the poster child for why we need term limits in Congress.

Well, one of many, actually.

[Ultra Peanut]

Closer to the 60. Look for that last vote to magically become possible.What's so magical about a runoff?

[Frankie]

Yes.

:D
That alone should have been grounds to kick him out of the senate.

[Frankie]

Our Stevens, who art in Alaska
Earmarks be thy name
Thy airport come
Bridge to Nowhere run
From Gravina even unto Ketchikan
Give us this day our daily bribe
And forgive us our kickbacks
As we forgive those who kick back to us
And lead us unto the land of drilling, and deliver to us windfalls
For thine is the Grill, and the Towers,
and the Porch that wraps around forever
and ever
Amen
:clap:

[mlyonsd]

Heh, funny stuff.

[banyon]

Heh, funny stuff.

Definitely. Bush probably shouldn't have replaced those experienced, qualified U.S. Attorneys with politically chosen, inept hacks who were capable of botching something like this, huh? ;)

Still, I don't think the remedy should have been a dismissal of the case, particularly when jurors have stated that the evidence of Steven's guilt was "overwhelming". A new trial would have been the right remedy and sanctions on the prosecutors. I don't think Stevens should've just gotten away scot free because his Defense attorneys caught a prosecutor in a disclosure problem.

[WoodDraw]

Yeah, I'm disappointed that the case was dismissed. The prosecutors made such a mess of the case that it couldn't be salvaged. The judge announced criminal contempt proceedings against them the other day. Hard to start a new trial with that publicity in the background.

I in no way feel sorry for Stevens though.

[banyon]

Yeah, I'm disappointed that the case was dismissed. The prosecutors made such a mess of the case that it couldn't be salvaged. The judge announced criminal contempt proceedings against them the other day. Hard to start a new trial with that publicity in the background.

I in no way feel sorry for Stevens though.

That doesn't sound like anything a thorough voir dire or careful change of venue couldn't have accomplished, IMO.

[KC native]

That doesn't sound like anything a thorough voir dire or careful change of venue couldn't have accomplished, IMO.

Yea, I think it's a matter of resources. The man lost the election. Is old as hell and was clearly guilty. Why waste the time to convict him again?

[banyon]

Yea, I think it's a matter of resources. The man lost the election. Is old as hell and was clearly guilty. Why waste the time to convict him again?

To take a stand against blatantly corrupt governmental practices instead of just letting people walk away from it?

[KC native]

To take a stand against blatantly corrupt governmental practices instead of just letting people walk away from it?

The man is done. He's what 77 years old? Kind of beating a dead horse to me.

[FishingRod]

One less POS. Good for us.
A POS is A POS. Rep Dem what ever. Less shit good.
even if it is just one small pile in one huge herd of turd makers.

[banyon]

The man is done. He's what 77 years old? Kind of beating a dead horse to me.

Should we let Madoff retire to a posh resort too? He's pretty old.

[Mojo Jojo]

Yea, I think it's a matter of resources. The man lost the election. Is old as hell and was clearly guilty. Why waste the time to convict him again?

Let's see the courts said he is not guilty. Don't let the rule of law get in the way of your agenda. By your way of thinking Gitmo is OK because someone said so, and the other courts don't count. Have it one way or the other but DO NOT pick and choose.

[googlegoogle]

Let's see the courts said he is not guilty. Don't let the rule of law get in the way of your agenda. By your way of thinking Gitmo is OK because someone said so, and the other courts don't count. Have it one way or the other but DO NOT pick and choose.

pure technicality let him off the hook.

The guy should be in jail.

[Mojo Jojo]

pure technicality let him off the hook.

The guy should be in jail.

God Bless The USA. Technicalities let people off everyday, and the left believes these are our rights. So now you need to ask yourself...do technicalities equal justice?

I hope you respond. I love to deal with those who want it both ways.

[mlyonsd]

God Bless The USA. Technicalities let people off everyday, and the left believes these are our rights. So now you need to ask yourself...do technicalities equal justice?

Only if an election is thrown because of it and the result works in your favor.

[splatbass]

Let's see the courts said he is not guilty. Don't let the rule of law get in the way of your agenda. By your way of thinking Gitmo is OK because someone said so, and the other courts don't count. Have it one way or the other but DO NOT pick and choose.

The court did NOT say he was innocent, however. You do know the difference between "not guilty" and innocent, right?

Actually, AFAIK they didn't say he was not guilty either. They just overturned the conviction because of prosecutorial misconduct. That in no way means he was innocent.

[Mojo Jojo]

The court did NOT say he was innocent, however. You do know the difference between "not guilty" and innocent, right?

Actually, AFAIK they didn't say he was not guilty either. They just overturned the conviction because of prosecutorial misconduct. That in no way means he was innocent.

I do understand and this means he walks. However when a black man is let go in the same situation it proves the system is wrong yet here he was guilty no matter what the rule of law says. Once again I ask have it one way or the other. Guilty is guilty or a technicality is a technicality. It all goes back to Miranda.

[splatbass]

I do understand and this means he walks. However when a black man is let go in the same situation it proves the system is wrong yet here he was guilty no matter what the rule of law says. Once again I ask have it one way or the other. Guilty is guilty or a technicality is a technicality. It all goes back to Miranda.

It is not one way or the other. It is what it is. His conviction was overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct. He could be tried again, or not. He could be innocent or guilty. It has nothing to do with black men, and I have to wonder why you even thought of that.

There is no reason to get your panties in a bunch. You made a claim that the courts pronounced him not guilty. I explained why you were wrong. I never said I thought he was guilty, I just presented the facts. YOU INFERRED THE REST, clearly due to your political bias. You have a problem, not me.

[KC native]

Should we let Madoff retire to a posh resort too? He's pretty old.

No, but he hasn't been tried yet and the prosecutors better not phuck this one up.

[banyon]

I do understand and this means he walks. However when a black man is let go in the same situation it proves the system is wrong yet here he was guilty no matter what the rule of law says. Once again I ask have it one way or the other. Guilty is guilty or a technicality is a technicality. It all goes back to Miranda.

:spock:

[HonestChieffan]

Sounds pretty bad for the government lawyers. I hope they throw the book at the snakes. It wont happen, the lawyers and trial lawyers will all come in to protect their own. More of the same.

[Ultra Peanut]

Let's see the courts said he is not guilty. Don't let the rule of law get in the way of your agenda. By your way of thinking Gitmo is OK because someone said so, and the other courts don't count. Have it one way or the other but DO NOT pick and choose.Your understanding of law is amazing.

[patteeu]

pure technicality let him off the hook.

The guy should be in jail.

You're probably right. I don't know the details of the charges and the evidence, but I'll settle for him being out of Congress for good.

[RaiderH8r]

The court did NOT say he was innocent, however. You do know the difference between "not guilty" and innocent, right?

Actually, AFAIK they didn't say he was not guilty either. They just overturned the conviction because of prosecutorial misconduct. That in no way means he was innocent.

And it in no way means he was guilty either. It means the conviction was ill gotten and therefor tossed. Ted Stevens is neither innocent nor guilty.

[splatbass]

And it in no way means he was guilty either. It means the conviction was ill gotten and therefor tossed. Ted Stevens is neither innocent nor guilty.

Yes, I said that in a later post.

[RaiderH8r]

Yes, I said that in a later post.

sorry, things are starting to run together on me.

[banyon]

And it in no way means he was guilty either. It means the conviction was ill gotten and therefor tossed. Ted Stevens is neither innocent nor guilty.

if you got one guilty jury verdict and jurors were polled and said that the evidence was "overwhelming", you don't think it's a bit more likely that you could get a second guilty verdict?

[RaiderH8r]

if you got one guilty jury verdict and jurors were polled and said that the evidence was "overwhelming", you don't think it's a bit more likely that you could get a second guilty verdict?

That's speculation and we can engage in that. But as far as the law is concerned Ted Stevens is free in legal limbo. Neither guilty nor innocent, with former charges hanging out there with evidence found and all that shit. But he's doing old people stuff and not in jail.

[Amnorix]

No, but he hasn't been tried yet and the prosecutors better not phuck this one up.

Not going to be tried. He pled out.

[Amnorix]

That's speculation and we can engage in that. But as far as the law is concerned Ted Stevens is free in legal limbo. Neither guilty nor innocent, with former charges hanging out there with evidence found and all that shit. But he's doing old people stuff and not in jail.

:shrug: He's not going to be retried. He's one of millions of Americans guilty of a crime who isn't going to serve time for it. In his case it's because prosecutors have decided not to bother chasing after someone who is in their 80s and can't really do much more damage anymore, or whatever.

It's prosecutorial discretion whether to charge someone or not. In this case it seems they're opting for "not."

[patteeu]

:shrug: He's not going to be retried. He's one of millions of Americans guilty of a crime who isn't going to serve time for it. In his case it's because prosecutors have decided not to bother chasing after someone who is in their 80s and can't really do much more damage anymore, or whatever.

It's prosecutorial discretion whether to charge someone or not. In this case it seems they're opting for "not."

I saw a headline that said he was filing paperwork to run again in 2014. I didn't read the article so I'm not sure about the details, but it's not something I was happy to see. :shake:

[KC native]

Not going to be tried. He pled out.

He has more charges. He has a plea deal for the first set however more are coming.

[Amnorix]

I saw a headline that said he was filing paperwork to run again in 2014. I didn't read the article so I'm not sure about the details, but it's not something I was happy to see. :shake:

Won't he be in his 90s by then? Seriously, I think he will be.

I wonder how long the statute of limitations is on the charges that were filed against him. If he filed papers to run, I'd refile and retry him. Stay on the sidelines and we'll leave you alone, but we're not letting you back in the game to have another round of "dance with your favorite contractors for political favors"...

[banyon]

I saw a headline that said he was filing paperwork to run again in 2014. I didn't read the article so I'm not sure about the details, but it's not something I was happy to see. :shake:

Does this change your mind KC Native about not trying the case again?

[KC native]

Does this change your mind KC Native about not trying the case again?

A little. But he will be around 82 at the time he tries to run. Do you really think he will do it?

[banyon]

A little. But he will be around 82 at the time he tries to run. Do you really think he will do it?

Sure, he's as greedy and corrupt and obstinant as they come. I don't see that subsiding. If anything, his ability to get one over on the justice system and the Taxpayers he defrauded here will just embolden him to do worse in the future.