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DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 12:20 PM
BCS
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. TCU
12. Ball State
13. Cincinnati
14. Oklahoma State
15. Georgia Tech
16. Georgia
17. Boston College
18. BYU
19. Oregon
20. Missouri
21. Michigan State
22. Northwestern
23. Pittsburgh
24. Florida State
25. Virginia Tech

Harris
1. Alabama (107)
2. Florida (4)
3. Texas (1)
4. Oklahoma
5. USC
6. Penn State
7. Utah (1)
8. Texas Tech
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. Ball State
12. TCU
13. Cincinnati
14. Oklahoma State
15. Oregon
16. Georgia Tech
17. BYU
18. Missouri
19. Boston College
20. Georgia
21. Michigan State
22. Northwestern
23. Pittsburgh
24. MIssissippi
25. Oregon State

Coaches
1. Alabama (58)
2. Oklahoma (2)
3. Texas
4. Florida (1)
5. Southern California
6. Penn State
7. Utah
8. Texas Tech
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. TCU
12. Cincinnati
13. Ball State
14. Oregon
15. Oklahoma State
16. Georgia Tech
17. Missouri
18. BYU
19. Georgia
20. Boston College
21. Michigan State
22. Northwestern
23. Pittsburgh
24. Oregon State
25. Mississippi

AP
1. Alabama (62)
2. Florida (3)
3. Texas
4. Oklahoma
5. Southern California
6. Penn State
7. Utah
8. Texas Tech
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. TCU
12. Ball State
13. Cincinnati
14. Oklahoma State
15. Georgia Tech
16. Oregon
17. Georgia
18. Boston College
19. Missouri
20. BYU
21. Michigan State
22. Mississippi
23. Pittsburgh
24. Northwestern
25. Oregon State

luv
11-30-2008, 12:21 PM
When does the one that matters come out?

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Texas beating aTm at home was impressive enough to jump Florida when Florida destroyed #20 Florida State in Tallahassee????

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 12:22 PM
When does the one that matters come out?

Around 4:30pm.

Reerun_KC
11-30-2008, 12:23 PM
Yet MU is still in the Top 20? shameful

Frazod
11-30-2008, 12:25 PM
Kansas still unranked, I see.

Aw, too bad. LMAO

milkman
11-30-2008, 12:25 PM
Texas beating aTm at home was impressive enough to jump Florida when Florida destroyed #20 Florida State in Tallahassee????

This is why the polls and BCS are a fucking joke.

Florida should be ahead of Texas, and Texas should be ahead of Oklahoma.

It's all a lot of BS.

Pablo
11-30-2008, 12:25 PM
Kansas still unranked, I see.

Aw, too bad. LMAOSee sig below.

Frazod
11-30-2008, 12:26 PM
See sig below.

Sorry, I have signatures disabled. :p

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 12:27 PM
This is why the polls and BCS are a ****ing joke.

Florida should be ahead of Texas, and Texas should be ahead of Oklahoma.

It's all a lot of BS.

The one poll that doesn't matter (AP) has it right.

Reerun_KC
11-30-2008, 12:28 PM
The one poll that doesn't matter (coaches) has it right. /OU Fan


:)

Pablo
11-30-2008, 12:29 PM
Sorry, I have signatures disabled. :pOh, okay.

SCOREBOARD.

Frazod
11-30-2008, 12:31 PM
Oh, okay.

SCOREBOARD.

I figured it was something like that. LMAO

Pablo
11-30-2008, 12:32 PM
I figured it was something like that. LMAOIt's really a glorious pic. You should consider turning sigs on, if only to view it in all it's splendor once.

luv
11-30-2008, 12:32 PM
Yet MU is still in the Top 20? shameful

I don't think losing to Nebraska helped your cause.

ArrowheadHawk
11-30-2008, 12:34 PM
It's really a glorious pic. You should consider turning sigs on, if only to view it in all it's splendor once.

The greatest part of the sig is that is shows that MU has 2 timouts left.

Pablo
11-30-2008, 12:35 PM
The greatest part of the sig is that is shows that MU has 2 timouts left.I'm particularly fond of the whole Kansas - 40 points, Missouri - 37 points. That's just me though.

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 12:46 PM
This is why the polls and BCS are a ****ing joke.

Florida should be ahead of Texas, and Texas should be ahead of Oklahoma.

It's all a lot of BS.

Just curious as to why you would definitively say Florida should be ranked in front of Texas.

milkman
11-30-2008, 12:49 PM
Just curious as to why you would definitively say Florida should be ranked in front of Texas.

I just think, overall, they've played better, more consistent football over the last few weeks.

The only reason I think Alabama should be ranked ahead of them is the "0" in the loss column, a number that I expect Florida to change.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 12:50 PM
The one poll that doesn't matter (AP) has it right.

yup

BWillie
11-30-2008, 12:55 PM
Truth is, nobody really knows who is REALLY better from the #1 team to the #7 team. You may think you do, but you really have no definitive idea. This is a good reason we need a play off. Da dee da dee

ArrowheadHawk
11-30-2008, 12:56 PM
I'm particularly fond of the whole Kansas - 40 points, Missouri - 37 points. That's just me though.
Yeah that part is pretty good too.

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 01:02 PM
I just think, overall, they've played better, more consistent football over the last few weeks.

The only reason I think Alabama should be ranked ahead of them is the "0" in the loss column, a number that I expect Florida to change.

Sounds reasonable. IMO, that's one of the big shortcomings of this system - are the voters determining the team with the best body of work for the entire season, or which team you think would win in a playoff, or the team that is currently the "best" according to whatever criteria you have in mind?

bowener
11-30-2008, 02:24 PM
FYP

This is why the polls and BCS are a ****ing joke.

Florida should be ahead of Texas, and Texas should be ahead of Oklahoma.

It's all a lot of BcS.

How much of the BCS ranking for this week will be decided by ad revenue possibilities for the OU and Texas poll position ass fuck?

FringeNC
11-30-2008, 02:28 PM
What's a joke is the BCS. It's a bullshit mythical national championship game. Either have a tournament or don't. None of those top teams are obviously better than the others, so why throw out the results of all those teams' last game?

Guru
11-30-2008, 02:29 PM
God the AP is so full of shit.

Guru
11-30-2008, 02:30 PM
Kansas still unranked, I see.

Aw, too bad. LMAOI'll take unranked with the win.:thumb:

KChiefs1
11-30-2008, 02:34 PM
It's all good...especially after we roll OU next week to win the Big 12 Championship!

Guru
11-30-2008, 02:35 PM
It's all good...especially after we roll OU next week to win the Big 12 Championship!I hope that doesn't happen because it bails the BCS out yet again.

KChiefs1
11-30-2008, 02:42 PM
I hope that doesn't happen because it bails the BCS out yet again.

IMHO...there are six teams that are probably interchangeable this season in college football. Any of those matchup will produce a great game.

Guru
11-30-2008, 02:44 PM
IMHO...there are six teams that are probably interchangeable this season in college football. Any of those matchup will produce a great game.I want the all Big 12 Championship though.

KChiefs1
11-30-2008, 02:52 PM
I want the all Big 12 Championship though.

I don't think they'll let that happen....everyone wants a SEC vs Big 12 matchup.

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:01 PM
Florida may be the best team right now, but 4 is where they should be. I mean... they lost to an unranked opponent at HOME.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:08 PM
Florida may be the best team right now, but 4 is where they should be. I mean... they lost to an unranked opponent at HOME.

That "unranked opponent at HOME" is a pretty damn good team and is no longer unranked.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:08 PM
IMHO...there are six teams that are probably interchangeable this season in college football. Any of those matchup will produce a great game.

I think there are only 4: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and USC. I think any other team is a tier below.

tk13
11-30-2008, 03:10 PM
I think there are only 4: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and USC. I think any other team is a tier below.
I think Alabama's gonna have its hands full next week, but I think to make it through an entire SEC season and not lose a game, you have to put them on this list. You have to.

Guru
11-30-2008, 03:12 PM
I don't think they'll let that happen....everyone wants a SEC vs Big 12 matchup.Everyone? I doubt that.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:12 PM
I think Alabama's gonna have its hands full next week, but I think to make it through an entire SEC season and not lose a game, you have to put them on this list. You have to.

Sure, but I think they'll be off the list after Saturday. :D

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:12 PM
Everyone? I doubt that.

Everyone but Guru. We've already seen OU/TX on a neutral field.

chiefs1111
11-30-2008, 03:15 PM
Sure, but I think they'll be off the list after Saturday. :D

I sure hope so. I really don't think we are going to blow Bama out of the water like a lot of people think...

tk13
11-30-2008, 03:19 PM
I sure hope so. I really don't think we are going to blow Bama out of the water like a lot of people think...
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Bama held their own... I don't think Saban is gonna let his guys lay an egg at this point. Plus people are always gonna go with the circus offense over the team that gets ugly and tries to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:21 PM
I think there are only 4: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and USC. I think any other team is a tier below.

that's all fine but Florida was Ole Miss' only win in a 4 game span. Texas lost by 5 on the road to a 1 loss team, and OU lost by 10 to Texas at a neutral site. Florida just doesn't stack up...until they beat bama

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:34 PM
BCS
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. ohio state

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:37 PM
YES!!!! FU TEXAS!

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 03:41 PM
Highly unlikely, but what happens if Missouri pulls off the upset in the Big XII championship game?

BigRedChief
11-30-2008, 03:41 PM
BCS
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
This is why we need a playoff.:shake: Don't let writers and computers make the decision for teams and fans. Settle it on the field.

tk13
11-30-2008, 03:42 PM
Highly unlikely, but what happens if Missouri pulls off the upset in the Big XII championship game?
Probably Texas vs. the SEC. Unless the voters intentionally try to vote USC ahead of Texas to prevent that... but the Big 12 has too much pull to let that happen, I think.

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:43 PM
Highly unlikely, but what happens if Missouri pulls off the upset in the Big XII championship game?

Texas or USC vs. Bama/Florida I would think. My hatred for Texas will force me to root for OU

eazyb81
11-30-2008, 03:45 PM
Wow. I still can't believe enough voters justified OU over Texas even though the Horns won on a neutral field.

That's awful - and OU is their bitter rival.

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 03:45 PM
This is why we need a playoff.:shake: Don't let writers and computers make the decision for teams and fans. Settle it on the field.

Count me as one of those traditionalists who thinks that a playoff - especially one with more than eight teams - dilutes the value of the regular season.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind a plus-one format.

Probably Texas vs. the SEC. Unless the voters intentionally try to vote USC ahead of Texas to prevent that... but the Big 12 has too much pull to let that happen, I think.

I think you're right, but, presuming USC wins against UCLA, it would be an interesting situation.

KChiefs1
11-30-2008, 03:46 PM
Highly unlikely, but what happens if Missouri pulls off the upset in the Big XII championship game?

Texas would move up to face the winner of Alabama/Florida.

I'm sure there will be a lot of people clamoring for USC though.

BigRedChief
11-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Wow. I still can't believe enough voters justified OU over Texas even though the Horns won on a neutral field.

That's awful - and OU is their bitter rival.
But Texas Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma beat Texas Tech. Rock. Paper. Scissors.

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Wow. I still can't believe enough voters justified OU over Texas even though the Horns won on a neutral field.

That's awful - and OU is their bitter rival.

it already happened before with Miami/FSU in 2000. first Miami and now Texas!ROFL:clap::)

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:49 PM
But Texas Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma beat Texas Tech. Rock. Paper. Scissors.

What you do in head to head matchup >>>>>> what each team does against a common opponent

Rudy lost the toss
11-30-2008, 03:49 PM
thank god tech was so good this year

Basileus777
11-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Texas got screwed.

KChiefs1
11-30-2008, 03:53 PM
Texas got screwed.

yeah they did....by their oldest & dirtiest rival. Ouch.:)

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 03:58 PM
What you do in head to head matchup >>>>>> what each team does against a common opponent

Doesn't that argue for Texas being ranked in front of OU?

tk13
11-30-2008, 03:59 PM
The one thing I'm curious to see, is if the BCS will take Boise State over Ohio State for the final at-large spot.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 03:59 PM
Doesn't that argue for Texas being ranked in front of OU?

Yes.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 04:00 PM
The one thing I'm curious to see, is if the BCS will take Boise State over Ohio State for the final at-large spot.

It'll be a disgrace if they don't give it to BSU (and all about $$$).

eazyb81
11-30-2008, 04:00 PM
It'll be a disgrace if they do (and all about $$$).

But you know they will.

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 04:02 PM
Count me as one of those traditionalists who thinks that a playoff - especially one with more than eight teams - dilutes the value of the regular season.


I'll never understand this view... The system as it stands now dilutes the postseason, just look at the last couple of NC games and the awful bowl matchups. If, in this system, one loss meant you were SOL, I'd understand; but a pretty good 2-loss team won the NC last year. In the current system, you basically want to stay under two losses, with exceptions, and the same would be said for a playoff system.

tk13
11-30-2008, 04:03 PM
It'll be a disgrace if they don't give it to BSU (and all about $$$).
Yeah, honestly, Boise has won a BCS bowl more recently than Ohio State, they're ranked higher, there's really no reason not to take them except money. I think the general thought is definitely that OSU is going to get picked though. There has been a lot of talk of trying to coordinate some kind of Boise/Ball State bowl game, because Boise expects to be passed over.

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 04:03 PM
It'll be a disgrace if they don't give it to BSU (and all about $$$).

But you know they will.

Count on it, baby. ROFL

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 04:12 PM
I'll never understand this view... The system as it stands now dilutes the postseason, just look at the last couple of NC games and the awful bowl matchups. If, in this system, one loss meant you were SOL, I'd understand; but a pretty good 2-loss team won the NC last year. In the current system, you basically want to stay under two losses, with exceptions, and the same would be said for a playoff system.

In this system, the way to put yourself in the best position is to win every game possible and play a good schedule.

Yes, LSU was a two-loss team that went to the championship game. But they got there because, among other things, West Virginia lost to Pittsburgh on the final weekend of the season.

My team, USC, wasn't in the championship because we failed to beat Stanford last year. The year before that we weren't in the championship because we failed to beat UCLA in the last game of the season.

In a playoff scenario, none of those games would have had any affect on the championship because both West Virginia and USC would have been in the tournament.

jidar
11-30-2008, 04:34 PM
I just think, overall, they've played better, more consistent football over the last few weeks.

The only reason I think Alabama should be ranked ahead of them is the "0" in the loss column, a number that I expect Florida to change.

lol Horseshit.

Texas has won their last 3 games by a combined 129-37 margin

KCCHIEFS27
11-30-2008, 04:36 PM
No playoff system! How many teams, for those favoring a playoff system, would you want in the post-season tournament?

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 04:41 PM
lol Horseshit.

Texas has won their last 3 games by a combined 129-37 margin

Whoop-de-****ing-doo. Florida has won their last 8 by a combined 414-97 margin. Their 11 wins have come by a 526-116 margin.

*EDIT*

Looking at those 3 UT wins you speak of, they were against Baylor, KU and aTm. LMAO

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 04:41 PM
texas gets a major league screwing

they beat OU on a neutral field and it literally doesn't even count

ArrowheadHawk
11-30-2008, 04:42 PM
texas gets a major league screwing

they beat OU on a neutral field and it literally doesn't even count

It does count. If they would have beaten Tech they would be playing.

WilliamTheIrish
11-30-2008, 04:50 PM
Texas will BCS sympathy. I'll bet they make it at large.

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 04:59 PM
texas gets a major league screwing

they beat OU on a neutral field and it literally doesn't even count


if Mizzou can upset OU, then Texas is right back in it most likely

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 05:09 PM
texas gets a major league screwing

they beat OU on a neutral field and it literally doesn't even count



In that case, Texas Tech got shafted. They beat Texas. They should be playing.


Had OU lost last night, Texas would still be sitting at home.

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 05:13 PM
Quite a delima for me. I was born and raised Mizzou, but I'd really like to see OU play for a national championship.

MU wins and OU is out of the national championship. Rooting for someone to beat MU just feels wrong.

:shrug:

chiefsfan987
11-30-2008, 05:13 PM
if Mizzou can upset OU, then Texas is right back in it most likely

There's no reason why Mizzou shouldn't at least be in it since the game is in Arrowhead. Afterall, OU only beat KU by 14 and that was at home.

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 05:18 PM
#1 Alabama has to play #4 Florida. I would imagine that if Florida knocks off Alabama they would jump to the national championship. But, with all the hype between OU and Texas, wouldn't it be nice if Bama lost to florida moving OU to #1 and Texas to #2 and playing for the National Championship?

Boyceofsummer
11-30-2008, 05:21 PM
but I think MU has the desire and talent to shit-can OU and put TX back in play. You can't blame the Tigers for possibly looking past the Jayhawks this weekend. It's human nature. GO TIGERS!

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 05:24 PM
but I think MU has the desire and talent to hit-can OU and put TX back in play. You can't blame the Tigers for possibly looking past the Jayhawks this weekend. It's human nature. GO TIGERS!



Oh definately. OU knocked MU out of National Champion contention last year, what better motivation that to return the favor this year to OU.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 05:31 PM
#1 Alabama has to play #4 Florida. I would imagine that if Florida knocks off Alabama they would jump to the national championship. But, with all the hype between OU and Texas, wouldn't it be nice if Bama lost to florida moving OU to #1 and Texas to #2 and playing for the National Championship?

No. That would be stupid and unwarranted. We've already seen OU/UT on a neutral field. Florida is playing ball better or as good as anyone in the country and if they beat the undefeated, #1 team in the country, they DESERVE to play for the National Championship.

Skip Towne
11-30-2008, 05:38 PM
No. That would be stupid and unwarranted. We've already seen OU/UT on a neutral field. Florida is playing ball better or as good as anyone in the country and if they beat the undefeated, #1 team in the country, they DESERVE to play for the National Championship.

The problem is nobody likes Florida.

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Personally they should just get rid of the whole north/south breakup of the conference and just send the two best teams in the entire conference to the Championship game.

eazyb81
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
The problem is nobody likes Florida.

This.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 05:42 PM
The problem is nobody likes Florida.

The reality is it doesn't matter that Skip is jealous of Florida. In beating Alabama, Florida would have victories over #1, #4, #6, #20 and #25 and would play for the National Championship.

Silock
11-30-2008, 06:00 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that both teams playing for the Big 12 Championship both got beat by Texas.

chiefs1okie
11-30-2008, 06:04 PM
What you do in head to head matchup >>>>>> what each team does against a common opponent

Using that as the only argument would still not put Texas in the drivers seat. It's a three way tie. Using that as the only argument would put Texas Tech over Texas. It was decided on the FIFTH tie breaker. It was decided correctly. Go Sooners.

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 06:06 PM
In this system, the way to put yourself in the best position is to win every game possible and play a good schedule.

Yes, LSU was a two-loss team that went to the championship game. But they got there because, among other things, West Virginia lost to Pittsburgh on the final weekend of the season.

My team, USC, wasn't in the championship because we failed to beat Stanford last year. The year before that we weren't in the championship because we failed to beat UCLA in the last game of the season.

In a playoff scenario, none of those games would have had any affect on the championship because both West Virginia and USC would have been in the tournament.

I see your point, but I think there's only one year where there's been a clear one and two, which was USC and Texas... every other year there's either more than two teams without any bad losses or fewer than one team without a bad loss.

In 2007, LSU lost to Arkansas, USC to Stanford, WVU to Pittsburgh, Georgia to South Carolina. In 2006, Florida, LSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Boise State, and Michigan didn't have any bad losses. In 2004, we ended up with 3 undefeated teams from BCS conferences, plus Utah.

Yeah, under the playoffs a team might be forgiven for a bad loss, but with today's parity and the fact that they are just college kids, it's sort of a given that there will be bad losses; and it's not guaranteed a bad loss will be forgiven.

A plus one is a step in the right direction, but IMO there are too many good teams to pick the two with the least number of bad losses or the team that was able to get through the Big 11 without a loss or whatever.

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 06:32 PM
No playoff system! How many teams, for those favoring a playoff system, would you want in the post-season tournament?

I would say 8, and don't forget that a playoff system doesn't eliminate bowls, it just makes for better BCS matchups. It's not until you go back to 2005 where there's a clear 1 vs. 2, and the year before that there were 3 undefeated BCS teams. Given the years below, I'd take the playoff every time.

2008:
Alabama: Undefeated
UF: Yeah, they have one bad loss in September, but they can obviously play with anyone in the country, and they have a few quality wins.
OU: No bad losses, quality wins.
Texas: No bad losses, quality wins.
USC: One bad loss in September
Texas Tech: One bad loss to a very good team, but a few quality wins.
Utah: Undefeated
Boise State: Undefeated

Why a playoff works: Everyone on the list has <2 regular season losses, and everyone except for Ball State has 2+ losses.
Issues: USC is the only team on the list that doesn't really have a quality win (even though they smacked OSU around) AND has a bad loss, and Ball State is left out.

Why the BCS works: The SEC and Big 12 Championships act as a playoff.
Issues: Look at all the good teams! There are a lot of questions regarding the B12 South, and USC is right there. Outside of the possible SEC/B12 NC, the matchups are going to SUCK... Penn State vs USC and the ACC versus perhaps Texas, instead of playoff matchups like USC vs the SEC runner-up or an OU/BSU rematch.

2007:
LSU: One bad loss, but a few quality wins.
Georgia: One bad loss, and didn't lose after 10/6.
USC: One bad loss, a couple of quality wins.
Mizzou: Beat Texas Tech and Illinois, lost to OU twice.
WV: One bad loss, a couple of iffy-quality wins.
Kansas: One loss by 8 points to the mighty Mizzou Tigers (see what I did there?)
OU: A couple of bad losses, and a couple of quality wins.
OSU: A couple of iffy-quality wins, one bad loss

Why a playoff works: Everyone needed a second chance to prove themselves, and all teams left out had 2+ losses.
Issues: The only question is between VTech and a second or third B12 team. Mizzou might get screwed.

Why the BCS works: Are you kidding? Did anyone really deserve to be in the NC game?
Issues: LSU, Mizzou, WVU, Kansas, and OSU lost their last game. There was only one 1-loss team, and they didn't have a quality win. Mizzou got screwed.

2006:
UF: A few quality wins, no bad losses.
OSU: A couple of quality wins, no bad losses.
LSU: A couple of quality wins, no bad losses.
USC: A couple of bad losses.
Boise State: Undefeated.
Louisville: A couple of quality wins, one bad loss.
Auburn: A couple of quality wins, a couple of bad losses.
Michigan: One quality win.

Why a playoff works: UF, OSU, and LSU were the best 3, and in hindsight BSU was for real.
Issues: None, really. Everyone on the outside had 2+ losses, and Wisconsin lost to Michigan.

Why the BCS works: There was a pretty clear 1 vs 2, and OSU/Michigan acted as a playoff.
Issues: OSU benefited from playing in the Big 11; LSU had no bad losses and more quality wins. BSU went undefeated.

TEX
11-30-2008, 06:33 PM
The one poll that doesn't matter (AP) has it right.


So does Harris.

Sam Hall
11-30-2008, 06:35 PM
College football is my favorite sport but its credibility took another hit today:shake:

BigCatDaddy
11-30-2008, 06:50 PM
College football is my favorite sport but its credibility took another hit today:shake:

I'm pretty happy with the possibility of Alabama/Florida vs Texas/OU for the national title. It is sure better then a 2 loss LSU team playing an over-rated Ohio State team.

Guru
11-30-2008, 06:53 PM
Everyone but Guru. We've already seen OU/TX on a neutral field.I have hated all florida teams since I knew what football was. I NEVER want to see a Florida team in the championship game. NEVER

Sam Hall
11-30-2008, 06:59 PM
I'm pretty happy with the possibility of Alabama/Florida vs Texas/OU for the national title. It is sure better then a 2 loss LSU team playing an over-rated Ohio State team.

I'm disappointed because OU has a better shot than Texas. I want to see a Florida-Texas national title game. I think Texas would beat OU again if they played today.

DaKCMan AP
11-30-2008, 07:00 PM
I have hated all florida teams since I knew what football was. I NEVER want to see a Florida team in the championship game. NEVER

At least you acknowledge your bias. :shrug:

Guru
11-30-2008, 07:14 PM
At least you acknowledge your bias. :shrug:It was ingrained in me at a young age and I am proud of it.:D

SCTrojan
11-30-2008, 07:14 PM
That "unranked opponent at HOME" is a pretty damn good team and is no longer unranked.

The reality is it doesn't matter that Skip is jealous of Florida. In beating Alabama, Florida would have victories over #1, #4, #6, #20 and #25 and would play for the National Championship.

I agree that Florida should make the championship game if they beat Alabama, but you're being a bit inconsistent here.

You try to bolster Florida's case by explaining that its one loss was to a Mississippi team that is currently ranked, and subsequent games have proven that they are better than first thought. But you use previous rankings when pointing out the teams Florida has beat, even though they don't currently hold those rankings and subsequent games have shown they may have not merited such high rankings.

Guru
11-30-2008, 07:15 PM
Personally they should just get rid of the whole north/south breakup of the conference and just send the two best teams in the entire conference to the Championship game.I am all for this.

Guru
11-30-2008, 07:16 PM
I agree that Florida should make the championship game if they beat Alabama, but you're being a bit inconsistent here.

You try to bolster Florida's case by explaining that its one loss was to a Mississippi team that is currently ranked, and subsequent games have proven that they are better than first thought. But you use previous rankings when pointing out the teams Florida has beat, even though they don't currently hold those rankings and subsequent games have shown they may have not merited such high rankings.OUCH

Sam Hall
11-30-2008, 07:17 PM
I'd be fine with an Alabama-Oklahoma national title game if Alabama won.

Hydrae
11-30-2008, 08:42 PM
OU edges out UT by virtue of the non-conference wins against ranked teams in Cincinnati and TCU.

If not for the dropped interception at the end of the UT TT game, this is a moot argument, UT is undeafted and the unquestioned #1.

eazyb81
11-30-2008, 08:52 PM
OU edges out UT by virtue of the non-conference wins against ranked teams in Cincinnati and TCU.

If not for the dropped interception at the end of the UT TT game, this is a moot argument, UT is undeafted and the unquestioned #1.

Good job, that guy read your post and just shot himself.

ChiefsCountry
11-30-2008, 08:52 PM
Wait till next week when Mizzou upsets OU, this is going to get real whacky.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Wait till next week when Mizzou upsets OU, this is going to get real whacky.
Not really. The BCS would love that because it would put Texas in the title game against the winner of the SEC. That way nobody has a gripe (except the mid-majors, and who cares about them anyway?).

LiL stumppy
11-30-2008, 09:04 PM
Ha, looking good. I have a feeling we wont choke this year in the BCS national champ.

Guru
11-30-2008, 09:21 PM
Ha, looking good. I have a feeling we wont choke this year in the BCS national champ.If they play in that game they had better show up better than you are in fantasy football. :cuss::)

Not logged in for a month?

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 11:44 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that both teams playing for the Big 12 Championship both got beat by Texas.



And another Big 12 team with 1 loss that beat a #1, #9, and a #23, the #1 being Texas, that is getting no consideration at all.

PastorMikH
11-30-2008, 11:58 PM
College football is my favorite sport but its credibility took another hit today:shake:



How's that? It was a 3-way tie. Texas beat OU, OU beat Texas Tech, Texas Tech beat Texas. There's no clear head to head because one is negated by the other head to head matchups. The Big 12 had agreed to let BCS standings decide in the even of a 3-way tie.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and OU won on the nuetral field, then got beat by Tech, while Tech got beat by Texas, but when it was all said and done Texas was going to the Big 12 championship game instead of OU, Texas would be defending the system instead of blasting it.

Sam Hall
12-01-2008, 12:19 AM
How's that? It was a 3-way tie. Texas beat OU, OU beat Texas Tech, Texas Tech beat Texas. There's no clear head to head because one is negated by the other head to head matchups. The Big 12 had agreed to let BCS standings decide in the even of a 3-way tie.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and OU won on the nuetral field, then got beat by Tech, while Tech got beat by Texas, but when it was all said and done Texas was going to the Big 12 championship game instead of OU, Texas would be defending the system instead of blasting it.

I think the OU-Texas result is the best piece of evidence. I think Texas would beat OU in a rematch. Texas Tech can't complain because they weren't competitive against OU.

PastorMikH
12-01-2008, 12:45 AM
I think the OU-Texas result is the best piece of evidence. I think Texas would beat OU in a rematch. Texas Tech can't complain because they weren't competitive against OU.


Tech beat Texas, OU anhilated Tech, OU played Texas as their fist legit, non-gimmie game of the season. Since then OU has really come around and is playing some solid ball. I seriously doubt Texas could beat OU right now - even at Texas Stadium.

Sure-Oz
12-01-2008, 12:47 AM
Wait till next week when Mizzou upsets OU, this is going to get real whacky.

That would definetly get rid of the sour taste from saturday and the sore jaw i have

Mojo Rising
12-01-2008, 02:10 AM
My guess is that at the OU UT game at Dallas they sell 1/2 the stadium to each team. That makes it a neutral field. BS. The field is in Texas at the state fair.

Move the game to Texarkana (is that in Texas, if not Fayetville) and then call it a neutral field.

The point that no one is discussing is why is MU even playing. If they had any dignity they would concede (the Big 12 was exposed this year.)

The Big 12 Commish shoud step in and replace MU with Texas.

TEX
12-01-2008, 03:05 AM
My guess is that at the OU UT game at Dallas they sell 1/2 the stadium to each team. That makes it a neutral field. BS. The field is in Texas at the state fair.

Move the game to Texarkana (is that in Texas, if not Fayetville) and then call it a neutral field.

The point that no one is discussing is why is MU even playing. If they had any dignity they would concede (the Big 12 was exposed this year.)

The Big 12 Commish shoud step in and replace MU with Texas.

I agree that it's a a joke that MU is in the Championship game, but rules are rules and they need to be followed IMO.

Have you ever been to a UT/OU Game? The point is it's at a location between the two schools and not on one of the campuses. There is no decided advantage for either school.

TEX
12-01-2008, 03:16 AM
Tech beat Texas, OU anhilated Tech, OU played Texas as their fist legit, non-gimmie game of the season. Since then OU has really come around and is playing some solid ball. I seriously doubt Texas could beat OU right now - even at Texas Stadium.


OU was playing solid ball before UT ran all over them. The game was decided on the field at a neutral site. (FYI - site was picked by both schools years ago and first suggested by OU).

So TT beats UT at home at the last second, OU kills TT at home, and UT won ALL thier home games too. Big deal. When you're very good - you usually win at home. UT beat OU at a neutral site. They won easily. The game was decided on the field rather than by speculation. I seriously doubt OU could beat UT even if they played again.

Mojo Rising
12-01-2008, 03:17 AM
I agree that it's a a joke that MU is in the Championship game, but rules are rules and they need to be followed IMO.

Have you ever been to a UT/OU Game? The point is it's at a location between the two schools and not on one of the campuses. There is no decided advantage for either school.

Never been to a UT OU game. I spent some time in Austin and I know that when you are in Texas it is like you are in another country.

Not even California puts their state flag, map, logo, state bird etc on every chip bag, soda, beer etc

Dallas is in Texas and not even close to Norman. Not 1/2 way. OU's fault for agreeing I guess but since no one talks about it who I am to say in Cal.

I wish Or State would have lost to Oregon so SC could have re-matched Texas and won in the Fiesta Bowl. Now, we will have a bunch of bad Bowl games that won't be watchable.

SPchief
12-01-2008, 03:18 AM
My guess is that at the OU UT game at Dallas they sell 1/2 the stadium to each team. That makes it a neutral field. BS. The field is in Texas at the state fair.

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My guess is that OU would'nt agree to the game "for the last how many years?" if they didn't agree if it was fair

ClevelandBronco
12-01-2008, 03:18 AM
College football is my favorite sport but its credibility took another hit today:shake:

Nope. The BCS took another hit today.

College football is very much alive. Everyone is talking about it.

SPchief
12-01-2008, 03:20 AM
:spock:Never been to a UT OU game. I spent some time in Austin and I know that when you are in Texas it is like you are in another country.

Not even California puts their state flag, map, logo, state bird etc on every chip bag, soda, beer etc

Dallas is in Texas and not even close to Norman. Not 1/2 way. OU's fault for agreeing I guess but since no one talks about it who I am to say in Cal.

I wish Or State would have lost to Oregon so SC could have re-matched Texas and won in the Fiesta Bowl. Now, we will have a bunch of bad Bowl games that won't be watchable.

TEX
12-01-2008, 03:26 AM
How's that? It was a 3-way tie. Texas beat OU, OU beat Texas Tech, Texas Tech beat Texas. There's no clear head to head because one is negated by the other head to head matchups. The Big 12 had agreed to let BCS standings decide in the even of a 3-way tie.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and OU won on the nuetral field, then got beat by Tech, while Tech got beat by Texas, but when it was all said and done Texas was going to the Big 12 championship game instead of OU, Texas would be defending the system instead of blasting it.

Just your opinion. Fact is it didn't happen as you're suggesting. TT wasn't even competitive at OU. UT was very competitive at TT. The point you're ignoring is the most compelling one in that UT easily beat OU.

I agree - rules are rules and they need to be followed so I understand and accept the fact that OU is playing for the Big 12 Championship. The fault is with the rankings in that UT should be ranked ahead of OU. They proved on the field, without any doubt, they were better than OU. How anyone can dispute this is laughable.

IMO - Harris and AP got it right...

ClevelandBronco
12-01-2008, 03:27 AM
BCS
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. ohio state

Penn State/Boise State play-in game for #8 seed. (Screw #10.)

1. Bama v. 8. Penn/Boise (Yeah, it's Penn.)
2. OK v. 7. TX Tech
3. TX v. 6. Utah (God help them.)
4. USC v. 5. USC

Simple stuff. Carry the bracket forward.

TEX
12-01-2008, 03:31 AM
My guess is that OU would'nt agree to the game "for the last how many years?" if they didn't agree if it was fair

Yep. And few know that they first posed the site.

SPchief
12-01-2008, 03:44 AM
Yep. And few know that they first posed the site.

Then what was your point?

ChiefGator
12-01-2008, 04:21 AM
4. USC v. 5. USC

What, noone is even in the same league as USC, so they have to play themselves?

Mojo Rising
12-01-2008, 04:27 AM
What, noone is even in the same league as USC, so they have to play themselves?

USC would easily win that game....even on the road.

ClevelandBronco
12-01-2008, 04:29 AM
What, noone is even in the same league as USC, so they have to play themselves?

It's already been pointed out in this thread that no one likes Florida, so they're just not invited.:D

(Oops. Bad typo. Good catch.)

Have you ever thought about a career as a copy editor? Or a homeless man asking for change daily at the doorstep of a well-respected communications firm?

ChiefGator
12-01-2008, 05:03 AM
Have you ever thought about a career as a copy editor?

Nope, the pay isn't good enough.

Or a homeless man asking for change daily at the doorstep of a well-respected communications firm?

This on the other hand... Hmmm....

Guru
12-01-2008, 06:20 AM
It's already been pointed out in this thread that no one likes Florida, so they're just not invited.:D

(Oops. Bad typo. Good catch.)

Have you ever thought about a career as a copy editor? Or a homeless man asking for change daily at the doorstep of a well-respected communications firm?and here I thought you did it on purpose.

DaKCMan AP
12-01-2008, 10:04 AM
Dallas is in Texas and not even close to Norman. Not 1/2 way. OU's fault for agreeing I guess but since no one talks about it who I am to say in Cal.

LMAO

Complete ignorance. Norman is closer than Austin to the cotton bowl.

PastorMikH
12-01-2008, 11:17 PM
The point you're ignoring is the most compelling one in that UT easily beat OU.





Easily beat OU? Say, you got a copy of that game, I'd like to watch it because that is nothing like what they aired on local TV up here. In fact, up here they showed a game that had OU leading all of the first quarter, all of the second all of the 3rd until about a min to go when Texas hit a FG, giving Texas the lead for 3-4 minutes until Bradford throw a TD pass to score another TD. Wasn't until somewhere around half way through the 4th that UT finally got the lead and held onto it. Add in OU lost their best tackler and MLB in the first part of the 3rd qtr.

Not what I'd call "Easily Beat OU" Texas won, but they had to work their tails off and get a few breaks to do it. That game could have just as easily gone the other way.

PastorMikH
12-01-2008, 11:27 PM
My guess is that at the OU UT game at Dallas they sell 1/2 the stadium to each team. That makes it a neutral field. BS. The field is in Texas at the state fair.

Move the game to Texarkana (is that in Texas, if not Fayetville) and then call it a neutral field.

The point that no one is discussing is why is MU even playing. If they had any dignity they would concede (the Big 12 was exposed this year.)

The Big 12 Commish shoud step in and replace MU with Texas.



The game may be in Texas, but Dallas is right at halfway between Norman and Austin.

Why should MU concede? Is it their fault that the other teams in the Big 12 north stink? MU was heading for a national title game last year until OU knocked them out of any BCS bowl possibilities. MU has a chance this year to return the favor.