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DaFace
11-30-2008, 05:24 PM
Just a different kind of measure of the "win vs. play for the draft pick" question. Poll on its way.

luv
11-30-2008, 05:26 PM
6-0 in Oakland. We weren't going to get the first pick anyway.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 05:26 PM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

Thig Lyfe
11-30-2008, 05:27 PM
Meh.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 05:27 PM
Those young guys needed a win. You don't become winners by losing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:27 PM
Vomitous.

unothadeal
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
It's like waking up with a real ugly chick lying next to you after a long night of drinking. It was fun at the time, but now you just feel dirty.

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely fucking pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
I am neutral basically because I am resigned to the fact Herm and all the coaches were coming back next year any way.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

That sums up how I feel........now cue all the people from the game thread to say they "don't need fans like us"

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely fucking pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

That gif rules man.

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
We are well on our way to our next Super Bowl appearance

















in 2068

Mr. Flopnuts
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely fucking pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

He would've been banned for life. Bank on it.

tmax63
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
These youngsters were needing to taste victory really bad or IMHO risk ruining some of them for their careers. I'm happy with it, and whether we pick 3rd or 5th, getting these guys some confidence is as important as 1 pick higher in the draft.

luv
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

Herm would have been here next year had we lost today.

Fruit Ninja
11-30-2008, 05:29 PM
I am neutral. This win doesnt really matter to me. I guess i am a little above neutral as its the Raiders.


The young guys that will be playing for the Chiefs for years to come neeeded this.

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:30 PM
That gif rules man.

How many 7 year old kids do you have in your fucking house, genius?

Guru
11-30-2008, 05:30 PM
neutral. nothing indecisive about it either.

Fruit Ninja
11-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely ****ing pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

adblock is great. :)

suds79
11-30-2008, 05:31 PM
I'm happy we won.

Now it certainly helped that we played against maybe the worse starting QB in the league but the Chiefs still got the job done.

luv
11-30-2008, 05:31 PM
How many 7 year old kids do you have in your fucking house, genius?

Don't egg him on. He doesn't give a shit about your kids.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:31 PM
Herm would have been here next year had we lost today.

That is what I am thinking as well.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:32 PM
How many 7 year old kids do you have in your fucking house, genius?

I saw a guys head explode on CSI on regular TV.....

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:32 PM
Don't egg him on. He doesn't give a shit about your kids.

This post is 100% true.

tk13
11-30-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm indifferent. I think some people get temporary brain damage. People are acting like we are the 90's Chiefs and just went 7-9 and have the 18th pick in the draft.

We're 2 and freaking 10. We still are not a good team, and we still are going to have a very high draft pick. We're still not even ahead of Oakland. It's probably just as hard to have the #1 pick as it is the Super Bowl... not literally, obviously, but rooting for it is just about as likely. If you have a front office that's capable of evaluating talent at all, you're going to get a playmaker in the top 5-6 picks, if you can't, then wanting the #1 pick is pointless anyway.

Reaper16
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
How many 7 year old kids do you have in your fucking house, genius?
I wouldn't let my kid read this board.

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Don't egg him on. He doesn't give a shit about your kids.

Well, he certainly won't have to worry about having any. No chick wants an ugly ass arrogant long haired idiot to have children with.

Sometimes, accidents happen, but normally they are meth induced.

Reaper16
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Oh, and to answer the question:

God damnit.

Logical
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Vomitous.We killed ourselves but I expect it to get worse.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Herm would have been here next year had we lost today.

It would have been terribly difficult for Clark to bring back a coach that went 1-15 this season and 1-24 over the last 25. Based on his statements at the end of last season, he'd lose face by bringing Herm back under those conditions. If it didn't work he'd basically be the Lions. Herm will give him just enough wiggle room.

kc rush
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Is it really a win if the other team does everything they can to lose it?

blueballs
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
no one can see the future
I'll take the happness of today

mikeyis4dcats.
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely ****ing pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

why would you ever consider CP family friendly?

ChiefsCountry
11-30-2008, 05:34 PM
You kind of knew heading into the season we would split with the Raiders. So kind of neutral.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:35 PM
The dream of getting Stafford is just that a dream. Detroit wasn't going to fuck up and win a game because honestly I don't think they can win a game. They are absolutely the worst NFL team I have ever seen.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 05:35 PM
These youngsters were needing to taste victory really bad or IMHO risk ruining some of them for their careers. I'm happy with it, and whether we pick 3rd or 5th, getting these guys some confidence is as important as 1 pick higher in the draft.

Exactly. Losing breeds a culture of losing. They needed this win.

Reaper16
11-30-2008, 05:35 PM
why would you ever consider CP family friendly?
That's what I'm wondering.

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:36 PM
I wouldn't let my kid read this board.

You think I let my kid read this board? Are you that stupid?

He happened to walk by me to ask a question... and I scrolled by that pic...


If people are so concerned about seeing nipples and bush... which is natural... but seeing a head get blown off is perfectly cool? WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with society.

chasedude
11-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Any Confidence builder is a plus in my book and this game will be for the team. The Offense still needs work but is starting to click.

milkman
11-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

This pretty much sums up how I feel, though I wouldn't say I'm depressed.
More like ambivalent.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Well, he certainly won't have to worry about having any. No chick wants an ugly ass arrogant long haired idiot to have children with.

Sometimes, accidents happen, but normally they are meth induced.

Ok I was just fucking with you but on that note...how about you pull the dick from your ass, your mood might be normal then ok?

StcChief
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

We aren't drafting a QB in 1st anyway.... no way Detroit wins. The Cincy tie likely brings Chiefs to drafting 3-5 depending on Lambs.

Clark is gonna declare improvement (no matter what happened). he's in for the long haul.....

Herm was getting 2009 anyway. King Carl?

We trade down to load up on picks. for D/OLine.

Mr. Flopnuts
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
You think I let my kid read this board? Are you that stupid?

He happened to walk by me to ask a question... and I scrolled by that pic...


If people are so concerned about seeing nipples and bush... which is natural... but seeing a head get blown off is perfectly cool? WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with society.

I was just going to say that if someone blowing their brains out is acceptable why are we worried about porn again?

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
yeah, I let me kid log on to CP all the time. His username is Darth CarlSatan.

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
I wouldn't let my kid read this board.

I don't know why people should have to lock themselves into a room in order to read CP. Someone should be able to post while watching a game, without worrying that a kid is going to walk up and see a bullet going through someone's head.

That said, I'm pretty sure there are enough options in vBulletin to disable all of it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely fucking pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

Jesus Christ, it's been taken care of. I didn't realize this was a TV-G website. Nor did I realize you could claim the moral authority while saying "fuck" in your post then bitching about your kid seeing this website.

tk13
11-30-2008, 05:38 PM
It would have been terribly difficult for Clark to bring back a coach that went 1-15 this season and 1-24 over the last 25. Based on his statements at the end of last season, he'd lose face by bringing Herm back under those conditions. If it didn't work he'd basically be the Lions. Herm will give him just enough wiggle room.
People act like we just won 10 games today. So now we've won 2 of our last what, 20 some odd games? So what? It doesn't make a lick of difference unless we suddenly win out. If we go on and finish 2-14, today isn't going to mean anything. Nobody is going to do a post season evauation and say "Woo boy! You won that game against the crappy Raiders well over a month ago, here's your contract extension."

Ari Chi3fs
11-30-2008, 05:38 PM
I was just going to say that if someone blowing their brains out is acceptable why are we worried about porn again?

Titties and bush are illegal at CP, but apparently someone getting their head blown off is awesome and cool.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
The worst thing is we really didn't play very well. We basically won a game that Oakland (a very poor team) gave us. If they had kicked FG in those two first half drives, they probably would have won (16 point swing).

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
no one
I'll take the happness of today

exactly what has plagued this franchise for 15 years...

always the short term over the long term....

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Nobody is going to do a post season evauation and say "Woo boy! You won that game against the crappy Raiders well over a month ago, here's your contract extension."

Keep doubtin Clark Hunt...

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Jesus Christ, it's been taken care of. I didn't realize this was a TV-G website. Nor did I realize you could claim the moral authority while saying "fuck" in your post then bitching about your kid seeing this website.

Ari is being sensitive today, his mangina hurts.

Short Leash Hootie
11-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Here's my reaction:

We can win a lot of games with this offensive system and offense. Tyler made some poor throws today, but he also made some really good throws and the fact he can scramble and move the chains with his feet is a really nice commodity to have. When he sets his feet he makes solid, accurate throws...he has a nice arm. Tony Gonzalez is a total stud and I'm ecstatic to see the two of them have such a great chemistry together.

Overall, I give Tyler a B for his performance today.

Larry...I thought he played really well today...I think the whole 'inactive'/suspension period really might have humbled him...he looked like Larry today...his numbers weren't overwhelming but he didn't really have HUGE running lanes and he finished his runs really nicely today and picked up a lot of first downs when he had little to work with...I really enjoyed watching him play today.

Our defense is still awful, we can't get NEAR the QB...if Russell was accurate whatsoever he would have picked apart this horrendous defense. We aren't going to be good until we start playing defense and I have no faith in anyone on this defense...DJ played well today but he's so inconsistent it hurts...Pollard had several nice hits but blah...the 13 points don't tell the story, that's for sure. Oakland ran the ball at will and if Russell had any accuracy it would have been a different story...Oakland's offense was our best defense.

I'm happy we won, our offense didn't play THAT well today but I continue to be content with the scheme and most of the playcalls, which is a lot more than what I can say about the last two years. Chan and Thigpen can stay, to be honest, this offense is a few lineman away from having the capabilities of being a damn good offense...we can keep the opposition off balance when we have Larry because he is such an effective runner...and with Tony Gonzalez working the middle of the field Tyler has a reliable target to turn to when no one else is open...

A good draft and MAJOR free work on the defense/new defensive coordinator might equate to a competitive 2009 season, considering the state of our conference.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:40 PM
People act like we just won 10 games today. So now we've won 2 of our last what, 20 some odd games? So what? It doesn't make a lick of difference unless we suddenly win out. If we go on and finish 2-14, today isn't going to mean anything. Nobody is going to do a post season evauation and say "Woo boy! You won that game against the crappy Raiders well over a month ago, here's your contract extension."

Good point. I think the Chiefs end up 3-13 with their next win against the Bengals.

Of course I am praying Carson Palmer comes back by then so we have a better chance to lose

cdcox
11-30-2008, 05:41 PM
People act like we just won 10 games today. So now we've won 2 of our last what, 20 some odd games? So what? It doesn't make a lick of difference unless we suddenly win out. If we go on and finish 2-14, today isn't going to mean anything. Nobody is going to do a post season evauation and say "Woo boy! You won that game against the crappy Raiders well over a month ago, here's your contract extension."

It depends on Clark. If he's honest, he fires Herm at the end of the season. If he's looking for a reason to retain Herm (which many here speculate) it could be a difference maker.

Short Leash Hootie
11-30-2008, 05:41 PM
The worst thing is we really didn't play very well. We basically won a game that Oakland (a very poor team) gave us. If they had kicked FG in those two first half drives, they probably would have won (16 point swing).
I agree...

I think our offense left points on the table with some boneheaded playcalling on 3rd and short situations, but I was ok with our offensive gameplan and I really enjoyed watching LJ play today.

But the Oakland offense was our best defense...we still can't sniff the QB and if JeMarcus had any touch/accuracy/his receivers could catch when he actually makes a good pass they move the ball at will...

Shit, our run defense sucks balls too.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 05:41 PM
exactly what has plagued this franchise for 15 years...

always the short term over the long term....

Losing will hurt us in the long term. You do not learn to win by losing. You learn to accept losing. That is no way to build a winning team. Just ask Detroit, who has had really high draft picks for years and is still losing.

StcChief
11-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Jesus Christ, it's been taken care of. I didn't realize this was a TV-G website. Nor did I realize you could claim the moral authority while saying "fuck" in your post then bitching about your kid seeing this website. Let the Parent take responsibility and "patrol his kids"... don't worry about it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:41 PM
I would bet everything I own that Carson Palmer will not even think about starting this year.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:42 PM
It depends on Clark. If he's honest, he fires Herm at the end of the season. If he's looking for a reason to retain Herm (which many here speculate) it could be a difference maker.

Like I said earlier I am resigned to the fact Herm will be back. They are treating this year like Herm's first year and the fact that Herm said all of his coaches can come back next year is pretty telling IMHO.

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Here's my reaction:

We can win a lot of games with this offensive system and offense.

My only problem with it is, we dont go down the field enough. Most of the passes are in the 10-15 yard range.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:43 PM
The worst thing is we really didn't play very well. We basically won a game that Oakland (a very poor team) gave us. If they had kicked FG in those two first half drives, they probably would have won (16 point swing).

we won because of the single dumbest fake kick in history...through the legs? are fucking kidding me?

but now it means we have a QBOTF and are ready for the playoffs next year...and anyone who isn't on board the true fan express is a child molesting nazi who thinks it is funny to show 7 yr olds pictures of exploding heads...

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Our offense has gotten worse in every game since Tampa. This isn't a coincidence. There's also a reason why the single wing becomes less and less effective every week. Hell, the Rams completely shut it down today.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:45 PM
I would bet everything I own that Carson Palmer will not even think about starting this year.

That would be our luck but it is the best move for him and the Bungles

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:45 PM
we won because of the single dumbest fake kick in history...through the legs? are fucking kidding me?

but now it means we have a QBOTF and are ready for the playoffs next year...and anyone who isn't on board the true fan express is a child molesting nazi who thinks it is funny to show 7 yr olds pictures of exploding heads...

Ok this just made me laugh way to damn hard.

tk13
11-30-2008, 05:45 PM
It depends on Clark. If he's honest, he fires Herm at the end of the season. If he's looking for a reason to retain Herm (which many here speculate) it could be a difference maker.
No way. Unless we win out or play really well... if we go get clobbered next week by Denver even, today will be pretty much forgotten by everyone. It'll be back to "Man we're terrible, allow 50 ppg, etc."

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:46 PM
Our offense has gotten worse in every game since Tampa. This isn't a coincidence. There's also a reason why the single wing becomes less and less effective every week. Hell, the Rams completely shut it down today.

Yea because gimmicks only work for short periods in the NFL...don't tell some posters here that though.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:47 PM
People also don't realize that Cassell being exposed as a fraud also hurts us, because Detroit can't use him as an excuse not to take a QB.

If you are a Chiefs and a Mizzou fan, there really isn't much to keep you from biting down on an exhaust pipe right now.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:47 PM
Losing will hurt us in the long term. You do not learn to win by losing. You learn to accept losing. That is no way to build a winning team. Just ask Detroit, who has had really high draft picks for years and is still losing.

that is such a fallacy

Detroit made bad decisions. They made bad draft picks and hired bad coaches.

how on earth people take that example to mean that we don't need high draft picks and QB to build a team is fucking beyond me...

we have an opportunity to draft a damn good QB...and all people do is make up freakishly ridiculous excuses for why it might not work...

"sorry, we can't draft peyton manning because once this other team made a bad draft pick...."

Deberg_1990
11-30-2008, 05:47 PM
Heres another thing. The Raiders playcalling today was terrible.

They were gashing us on the ground, but decided it would be best to put the game in the hands of JaMarcus Russel instead.

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Yea because gimmicks only work for short periods in the NFL...don't tell some posters here that though.

I kind of like our offense right now. If we had better protection on the right side of the line I think we would be a whole lot better.

There were times that Thigpen had less than 1 second before he was about to be sacked

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Judging by that poll the true fan dynamic is still strong.

RJ
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
On the one hand I'd just as soon we hadn't won another game.

On the other hand, there is little in life that gets me more pissed off than losing to the Raiders.

Color me ambivalent in a slightly disappointed sort of way.

suds79
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
You know if you're a Stafford fan, I don't think this win means it's not going to happen.

Sure there's Detroit but at this point I have no idea who's projected to go #1 but I'm not sold that it's for sure Stafford as I used to be. I don't know. We'll see.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
that is such a fallacy

Detroit made bad decisions. They made bad draft picks and hired bad coaches.

how on earth people take that example to mean that we don't need high draft picks and QB to build a team is ****ing beyond me...

we have an opportunity to draft a damn good QB...and all people do is make up freakishly ridiculous excuses for why it might not work...

"sorry, we can't draft peyton manning because once this other team made a bad draft pick...."

Developing a winning attitude is more important than getting the 2nd pick instead of the third or fourth. When a team loses as much as ours has they start accepting losing, and even expecting it. Once that happens it is very hard to teach them to be winners. Especially with a team as young as ours.

Your way is a sure way to destroy this team for years.

luv
11-30-2008, 05:50 PM
My only problem with it is, we dont go down the field enough. Most of the passes are in the 10-15 yard range.

I think that's Herm. He said last week that Thigpen goes for too many big plays.

Rausch
11-30-2008, 05:50 PM
that is such a fallacy

Detroit made bad decisions. They made bad draft picks and hired bad coaches.

how on earth people take that example to mean that we don't need high draft picks and QB to build a team is ****ing beyond me...

we have an opportunity to draft a damn good QB...and all people do is make up freakishly ridiculous excuses for why it might not work...

"sorry, we can't draft peyton manning because once this other team made a bad draft pick...."

It means that people act like getting a high pick means immediate talent.

It doesn't.

It means you get 1st (early) choices of all the talent out there. THat's it.

And many are begging for our HC to lose games so the same HC with poor decision making can draft our next superstud.

Stupidity...

dirk digler
11-30-2008, 05:50 PM
People also don't realize that Cassell being exposed as a fraud also hurts us, because Detroit can't use him as an excuse not to take a QB.

If you are a Chiefs and a Mizzou fan, there really isn't much to keep you from biting down on an exhaust pipe right now.

Cassell is a fraud and a horrible QB. He is just lucky to be playing on a pretty damn good team that limits his fuckups and bad throws

tk13
11-30-2008, 05:52 PM
You know if you're a Stafford fan, I don't think this win means it's not going to happen.

Sure there's Detroit but at this point I have no idea who's projected to go #1 but I'm not sold that it's for sure Stafford as I used to be. I don't know. We'll see.
Those people were just as delusional as the people who thought we'd be 8-8. There was already no way we're going to pass a team with zero wins in the draft. Stafford was never ours to begin with. I would like to have him, but it hasn't been a very realistic wish for several weeks unless Detroit pulls off a giant upset. They have a tougher schedule, we played crappy teams like the Raiders and Bengals down the stretch.

unothadeal
11-30-2008, 05:52 PM
Losing will hurt us in the long term. You do not learn to win by losing. You learn to accept losing. That is no way to build a winning team. Just ask Detroit, who has had really high draft picks for years and is still losing.

The Raiders too.

blueballs
11-30-2008, 05:53 PM
like your hoping or wishes
make a difference in the outcome
GET OVER IT

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:54 PM
It means that people act like getting a high pick means immediate talent.

It doesn't.

It means you get 1st (early) choices of all the talent out there. THat's it.

And many are begging for our HC to lose games so the same HC with poor decision making can draft our next superstud.

Stupidity...

The more we lose, the less stupidity gets to dig its claws in around here. If we finished out the year getting thoroughly destroyed in all our games, there is no way they could have retained these clowns. Compound that with the draft position, and you have this fucking debacle.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:54 PM
Developing a winning attitude is more important than getting the 2nd pick instead of the third or fourth. When a team loses as much as ours has they start accepting losing, and even expecting it. Once that happens it is very hard to teach them to be winners. Especially with a team as young as ours.

Your way is a sure way to destroy this team for years.

newsflash: this team is already destroyed...has been destroyed for 15 years...we can't go any lower....

losing is irrelevant if you hire good coaches and make good draft picks...fuck

this year will not matter next year...many of these players won't even be here or starting for us....

the only good that can come of this year is getting a shot at stafford, or at least the highest pick possible..then getting a real coaching staff and a new GM



it's a damn lie, and an excuse

blueballs
11-30-2008, 05:55 PM
I'ts all about me
I didn't wear my Chiefs furry pants
with the furry pullover last week

Mecca
11-30-2008, 05:55 PM
newsflash: this team is already destroyed...has been destroyed for 15 years...we can't go any lower....

losing is irrelevant if you hire good coaches and make good draft picks...fuck

this year will not matter next year...many of these players won't even be here or starting for us....

the only good that can come of this year is getting a shot at stafford, or at least the highest pick possible..then getting a real coaching staff and a new GM



it's a damn lie, and an excuse

I don't think some people realize how few players on this team will be part of a winning team.

Short Leash Hootie
11-30-2008, 05:55 PM
Our offense has gotten worse in every game since Tampa. This isn't a coincidence. There's also a reason why the single wing becomes less and less effective every week. Hell, the Rams completely shut it down today.
Well the Dolphins don't have a QB that has 4.6 speed and good scrambling abilities...nor do they have a target like Tony Gonzalez...I agree the offense hasn't been as good, but we are still moving the ball and Larry is going to help down the stretch...I didn't have a problem with the way our offense played today...Oakland has a pretty good defense.

suds79
11-30-2008, 05:56 PM
The more we lose, the less stupidity gets to dig its claws in around here. If we finished out the year getting thoroughly destroyed in all our games, there is no way they could have retained these clowns. Compound that with the draft position, and you have this ****ing debacle.

If there's one thing about this win that certainly bugs me, it is that it helps out Carl, Herm & Co.

That's a way bigger issue than the pick IMO.

Ugh. Feeling sick to my stomach right now to think that it's possible Gunther could still be the DC/LB coach next year. :Lin:

tmax63
11-30-2008, 05:56 PM
I agree with bass.On an old team you can purge those who have learned to accept losing and keep the young hungry ones but when all you got is young and hungry, if they learn to accept losing/excuses you're screwed for a long time.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 05:58 PM
Well the Dolphins don't have a QB that has 4.6 speed and good scrambling abilities...nor do they have a target like Tony Gonzalez...I agree the offense hasn't been as good, but we are still moving the ball and Larry is going to help down the stretch...I didn't have a problem with the way our offense played today...Oakland has a pretty good defense.

If it was an anomaly, I'd agree with you, but it isn't. This offense is only going to get less effective the more tape is out there. And once D-Coordinators wise up and start blitzing the hell out of Thigpen, the jig is up.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:58 PM
It means that people act like getting a high pick means immediate talent.

It doesn't.

It means you get 1st (early) choices of all the talent out there. THat's it.

And many are begging for our HC to lose games so the same HC with poor decision making can draft our next superstud.

Stupidity...

what's stupid is this: being afraid of a high draft pick it -gasp! - might not work out...oh no!

there are no guarantees....that is not an excuse...why is every one so afraid and reactive??

we should embrace this opportunity, and yet, after 15 years of failure people still run around screaming about how can't afford to make a mistake....wtf?

we've spent 15 years making mistakes, one more won't matter...but it might bring us the QBOTF we HAVE TO HAVE...

no risk, no reward

dammit people, step up

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 05:59 PM
I don't think some people realize how few players on this team will be part of a winning team.

apparently Atlanta couldn't win this year because they were too scarred from all that losing last year....

err

Rausch
11-30-2008, 06:00 PM
The more we lose, the less stupidity gets to dig its claws in around here.

Wrong.

If we finished out the year getting thoroughly destroyed in all our games, there is no way they could have retained these clowns. Compound that with the draft position, and you have this ****ing debacle.

Wrong again.

You live under the impression that Clark determines what he'll do by public opinion.

He doesn't.

He knew the suck would come (this record or even better) once he decided to rebuild. He's agreed to the 2010 rebuild plan.

Hell, he's not even betting with his money. He's one of the biggest trust fund babies in history.

You really think he gives a $#it how you think he should run his team?...

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:00 PM
what's stupid is this: being afraid of a high draft pick it -gasp! - might not work out...oh no!

there are no guarantees....that is not an excuse...why is every one so afraid and reactive??

we should embrace this opportunity, and yet, after 15 years of failure people still run around screaming about how can't afford to make a mistake....wtf?

we've spent 15 years making mistakes, one more won't matter...but it might bring us the QBOTF we HAVE TO HAVE...

no risk, no reward

dammit people, step up

Warpath will probably show up now and have an hour long argument with you where at some point he doesn't comprehend what you say and argues something completely off topic due to that.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:01 PM
apparently Atlanta couldn't win this year because they were too scarred from all that losing last year....

err

They'd be better off today if they had learned how to win last year and picked a couple spots lower missing out on Matt Ryan.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 06:02 PM
Wrong.



Wrong again.

You live under the impression that Clark determines what he'll do by public opinion.

He doesn't.

He knew the suck would come (this record or even better) once he decided to rebuild. He's agreed to the 2010 rebuild plan.

Hell, he's not even betting with his money. He's one of the biggest trust fund babies in history.

You really think he gives a $#it how you think he should run his team?...

It's not about fan sentiment, that's a false choice. The point is that if this team were to play that bad, STH renewals would tank, and since he's only in this for the money, he would actually treat the team as an investment and do something to regain the trust of his customer base.

I did not, and have never made the arguments that you claim I have.

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 06:02 PM
They'd be better off today if they had learned how to win last year and picked a couple spots lower missing out on Matt Ryan.

but they would have a RT!

Reaper16
11-30-2008, 06:02 PM
Hopefully Stafford gets caught with weed or something like three days before the draft. We need multiple teams to be scared off of him now. ;)

evolve27
11-30-2008, 06:03 PM
This win might have robbed us of drafting Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round.

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Developing a winning attitude is more important than getting the 2nd pick instead of the third or fourth. When a team loses as much as ours has they start accepting losing, and even expecting it. Once that happens it is very hard to teach them to be winners. Especially with a team as young as ours.

Your way is a sure way to destroy this team for years.

Making the right decisions is far, far, far more important, because that in itself will help develop the winning attitude. And if the best decision we could make is drafting a QB that might be gone after the first pick, the best thing we could do is get the first pick.

Oakland went from being in the SB one year to what they are today because of awful decisions and zero consistency. The Bengals quit being the Bungles when they got Lewis and started making better decisions. The Saints quit being the 'Aints pretty quickly. Teams go from 2 or 3 win seasons to the playoffs overnight, and from the playoffs to suck overnight.

Tradition doesn't mean a thing, and if a couple of seasons of losing has that much of an effect on the players, they probably aren't the type of players that will have much of a career anyway. The only reason it's good to win is to practice situations in a real game, such as going for two on the last play... and you don't have to actually win to do that (not that I'm rooting for them to lose... just my 2 cents on the subject).

the Talking Can
11-30-2008, 06:05 PM
This win might have robbed us of drafting Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round.

it's ok, this win will springboard us to medocrity ahead of schedule

Rausch
11-30-2008, 06:06 PM
It's not about fan sentiment, that's a false choice. The point is that if this team were to play that bad, STH renewals would tank, and since he's only in this for the money, he would actually treat the team as an investment and do something to regain the trust of his customer base.

The Chiefs can loose for 100 years and he's fine when the books come in. He won't be in line begging for food anytime soon.

And FTR, I do think Clark wants to win. I do.

I just don't think he takes the opinion of the average fan into account for a minute...

Mr. Laz
11-30-2008, 06:06 PM
meh ..... happy we won even though part of me knows it probably hurt us in the long run.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:06 PM
it's ok, this win will springboard us to medocrity ahead of schedule

It's important for the true fans to be happy.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 06:08 PM
Making the right decisions is far, far, far more important, because that in itself will help develop the winning attitude. And if the best decision we could make is drafting a QB that might be gone after the first pick, the best thing we could do is get the first pick.



We aren't getting the 1st pick in the draft regardless. Detroit will. There is no way they win two games, they probably won't even win 1.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-30-2008, 06:08 PM
I just don't think he takes the opinion of the average fan into account for a minute...

And for the third time, I've never said this.

Mr. Laz
11-30-2008, 06:08 PM
Wrong.



Wrong again.

You live under the impression that Clark determines what he'll do by public opinion.

He doesn't.

He knew the suck would come (this record or even better) once he decided to rebuild. He's agreed to the 2010 rebuild plan.

Hell, he's not even betting with his money. He's one of the biggest trust fund babies in history.

You really think he gives a $#it how you think he should run his team?...

then Clark is an idiot


this goes beyond wins and losses ... the suck has spread like a cancer.

a "5-year" rebuild plan will likely turn into a permanent suck plan because he can't look beyond wins and losses.

blueballs
11-30-2008, 06:08 PM
What are Leggitt's odds of getting AFC ST player of the week

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 06:12 PM
We aren't getting the 1st pick in the draft regardless. Detroit will. There is no way they win two games, they probably won't even win 1.

That... wasn't really even close to the point.

unothadeal
11-30-2008, 06:14 PM
It's not about fan sentiment, that's a false choice. The point is that if this team were to play that bad, STH renewals would tank, and since he's only in this for the money, he would actually treat the team as an investment and do something to regain the trust of his customer base.

I did not, and have never made the arguments that you claim I have.

By that logic this team has no chance of winning a SB. Clark will get this team back to the 8-8 7-9 years just to satisfy the fans enough to get his money.

jidar
11-30-2008, 06:15 PM
You think I let my kid read this board? Are you that stupid?

He happened to walk by me to ask a question... and I scrolled by that pic...


If people are so concerned about seeing nipples and bush... which is natural... but seeing a head get blown off is perfectly cool? WHAT THE **** is wrong with society.

I agree. We need to let nudity be posted here as well.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:16 PM
I agree. We need to let nudity be posted here as well.

Hooray for porn!

luv
11-30-2008, 06:17 PM
I agree. We need to let nudity be posted here as well.

But only if it's naked women, right?

StcChief
11-30-2008, 06:17 PM
We aren't getting the 1st pick in the draft regardless. Detroit will. There is no way they win two games, they probably won't even win 1.that's what these guys don't get here.......
if Stafford is the savior and only QB in draft it matters not.

he could be Ryan Leaf, Blackledge, George, or Marino.... it's a crap shoot in 1st round.

Matt Ryan looks very promising but could become avg.

jidar
11-30-2008, 06:19 PM
But only if it's naked women, right?

er... well yeah.

luv
11-30-2008, 06:20 PM
er... well yeah.

So you're into discrimination as well.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:20 PM
But only if it's naked women, right?

Would you like a picture of my sack?

luv
11-30-2008, 06:21 PM
Would you like a picture of my sack?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that you have one ready to share.

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:22 PM
It wouldn't surprise me in the least that you have one ready to share.

LOL..ok I can't stop laughing....just call me the tyrannical teabagger.

TrickyNicky
11-30-2008, 06:22 PM
Gotta love the whole North vs South vibe on the planet. Hilarious that beating the Raiders now brings out the vitriol of the two camps. I guess I may as well play to both sides and enjoy a meaningless win while cursing that we'll now pick two slots lower (errr higher?). DAMN IT CARL

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 06:24 PM
Oakland went from being in the SB one year to what they are today because of awful decisions and zero consistency. The Bengals quit being the Bungles when they got Lewis and started making better decisions. The Saints quit being the 'Aints pretty quickly. Teams go from 2 or 3 win seasons to the playoffs overnight, and from the playoffs to suck overnight.

People keep saying that Stafford is the most pro-ready QB since Carson Palmer. In case you haven't noticed, the Bengals are one of 2 teams in the NFL with a worse record than the Chiefs.

I would love to have Stafford, but I would not want him at the expense of the development of the rest of the players on our roster. This team is getting better every week. If we weren't getting any better, and this happened to be a fluke win sandwiched between awful performances, maybe things would be different.

We are literally about 5 plays away from being a .500 team and in the middle of the race for the division. These players need to learn how to win. Winning is contagious, and so is losing. Why would you want to lose a game over something as inconsequential as the number 2 pick in the draft versus the number 3 pick in the draft?

Mecca
11-30-2008, 06:25 PM
Carson Palmer has missed basically the entire season...

splatbass
11-30-2008, 06:27 PM
Hilarious that beating the Raiders now brings out the vitriol of the two camps.

I never thought I'd see the day Chiefs fans were unhappy we beat the Raiders. :(

Bearcat
11-30-2008, 06:38 PM
People keep saying that Stafford is the most pro-ready QB since Carson Palmer. In case you haven't noticed, the Bengals are one of 2 teams in the NFL with a worse record than the Chiefs.

I would love to have Stafford, but I would not want him at the expense of the development of the rest of the players on our roster. This team is getting better every week. If we weren't getting any better, and this happened to be a fluke win sandwiched between awful performances, maybe things would be different.

We are literally about 5 plays away from being a .500 team and in the middle of the race for the division. These players need to learn how to win. Winning is contagious, and so is losing. Why would you want to lose a game over something as inconsequential as the number 2 pick in the draft versus the number 3 pick in the draft?

FTR, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. Stafford could flop, we might not get him because the Lions suck so much anyway... and as far as learning how to win, I don't think it matters if we end up with 1 or 3 or 6 or 8 wins.

I think the most important issue is being competitive. You don't learn a lot when you lose 34-0 and are out gained something like 400 yards to 120... and you don't learn much when you're running the same plays unsuccessfully in the same situations over and over.

What about the last several weeks though? We're 1-6 in the last 7 weeks, but we've been competitive. Would it really matter if we were 0-7 2-5 or 3-4? We've learned a few things as fans, and the players and coaches have learned a few things about themselves and each other.

When we get more talented, we'll turn the close losses into wins. Our worst loss came after our first win. Game plans, talent, and execution win games... momentum and contagiousness matter when both teams are even in the first three.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:01 PM
What about the last several weeks though? We're 1-6 in the last 7 weeks, but we've been competitive. Would it really matter if we were 0-7 2-5 or 3-4? We've learned a few things as fans, and the players and coaches have learned a few things about themselves and each other.

It absolutely matters. The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is very small. When young players bust their asses week in and week out and still walk away with a loss, they get discouraged and begin to question if they will ever get rewarded for their hard work. When they finally start to turn the corner and win games, it encourages them to continue to work hard.

Say that you start a diet and join a gym because you want to go from 240 pounds to 190 pounds. For the first month, you work your butt off and really deprive yourself of the fatty food you normally eat. Then you step on the scale and see that you gained 2 pounds. Are you going to be encouraged to continue to work hard to stay on the diet? Probably not.

What if, instead of gaining 2 pounds, you lose 2 pounds? There really isn't a huge difference between 242 and 238 pounds, but the fact that you start to see results, even if they are very minor initially, makes you much more likely to stick to the plan.

This is where the Chiefs are right now. They are a long way from where they need to be. 2-10 versus 1-11 may not really be very different, but in terms of the way the young players feel about themselves after winning, there is a big difference.

Rain Man
11-30-2008, 07:01 PM
I like the fact that the worst team in Chiefs history can split with the Raiders.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Carson Palmer has missed basically the entire season...
Throw out this year. The Bengals are exactly what you don't want to be. They have either 7 or 8 wins each of the last 5 seasons and no playoff wins.

If you don't have the other pieces in place before drafting a franchise QB, 1 of 2 things will happen. Either the QB flames out, and you set your franchise back 3 years as a result of the pick or the QB plays great. If the QB plays great, you get 8 wins a year and never take things to the next level because you don't have a good supporting cast, and you don't get top tier players in the draft.

I'm not saying that you don't take Stafford if he's available. I would grab him in a heartbeat, but that's because I think the Chiefs have a lot more supporting pieces than you think they do.

kysirsoze
11-30-2008, 07:11 PM
I just think it's so much more important to make smart draft decisions than it is to have high draft picks. Teams with good organizations tend to pick better players after all the busts have been picked up by the losers at the top of the draft board. They spend less money, too, so they can invest in free agents. If Herm can continue to make sound draft choices, then I am happy we aren't going to shell out overall #1 type of money.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:14 PM
I just think it's so much more important to make smart draft decisions than it is to have high draft picks. Teams with good organizations tend to pick better players after all the busts have been picked up by the losers at the top of the draft board. They spend less money, too, so they can invest in free agents. If Herm can continue to make sound draft choices, then I am happy we aren't going to shell out overall #1 type of money.
Very well put. Making the most of a pick is much more important than having a high pick.

Davechief
11-30-2008, 07:20 PM
I'm glad we won today. Watching Chiefs games the last couple of seasons has been very difficult. I'll never root for them to lose, but take solace in the fact that if they do it will improve their draft position. Herm and Carl are not going anywhere until 2010 at the earliest, so I don't really see the point in rooting for them to lose.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 07:23 PM
I'm glad we won today. Watching Chiefs games the last couple of seasons has been very difficult. I'll never root for them to lose, but take solace in the fact that if they do it will improve their draft position. Herm and Carl are not going anywhere until 2010 at the earliest, so I don't really see the point in rooting for them to lose.

The point is we don't want Herm in 2012. We go 8-8 and we'll have him forever.

OnTheWarpath58
11-30-2008, 07:25 PM
Throw out this year. The Bengals are exactly what you don't want to be. They have either 7 or 8 wins each of the last 5 seasons and no playoff wins.

If you don't have the other pieces in place before drafting a franchise QB, 1 of 2 things will happen. Either the QB flames out, and you set your franchise back 3 years as a result of the pick or the QB plays great. If the QB plays great, you get 8 wins a year and never take things to the next level because you don't have a good supporting cast, and you don't get top tier players in the draft.

I'm not saying that you don't take Stafford if he's available. I would grab him in a heartbeat, but that's because I think the Chiefs have a lot more supporting pieces than you think they do.

.

Davechief
11-30-2008, 07:26 PM
The point is we don't want Herm in 2012. We go 8-8 and we'll have him forever.

How long have you been following this team. Do you really think 1-15 is going to convince Clark to pull the trigger?

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:26 PM
The point is we don't want Herm in 2012. We go 8-8 and we'll have him forever.
So the plan is to go 0-16 for 3 years in a row and then win the Superbowl in year 4? Sounds smart.

milkman
11-30-2008, 07:29 PM
The Bengals are one example, but what about the Colts?

Other than Marvin Harrison, who did they have in place when they drafted Manning?

DJJasonp
11-30-2008, 07:32 PM
I just read this from an article on yahoo....

Counting his last season as head coach in New York when the injury-racked Jets finished 4-12, Edwards in his last 59 games is 18-41. (now 19-41)

Ouch.

DenverDanChiefsFan
11-30-2008, 07:32 PM
exactly what has plagued this franchise for 15 years...

always the short term over the long term....such a horrible thing - being happy that the team I root for won a game. OH NOESSTFU

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:33 PM
The Bengals are one example, but what about the Colts?

Other than Marvin Harrison, who did they have in place when they drafted Manning?
When they drafted Manning, they had one of the all time best Wide Receivers in Marvin Harrison and one of the all time best RBs in Marshall Faulk.

Brock
11-30-2008, 07:34 PM
The Bengals are one example, but what about the Colts?

Other than Marvin Harrison, who did they have in place when they drafted Manning?

Faulk, for one year anyway.

Demonpenz
11-30-2008, 07:34 PM
I just wanted to win won and freaking cheer at the tv for once in a long while

cdcox
11-30-2008, 07:35 PM
So the plan is to go 0-16 for 3 years in a row and then win the Superbowl in year 4? Sounds smart.

I don;t want Herm anywhere near a playoff game unless he's coaching the other side. Why go forward with a bad game-day coach? You are just setting yourself up for failure.

Ultra Peanut
11-30-2008, 07:37 PM
ehhhhh

Dr. Facebook Fever
11-30-2008, 07:39 PM
I like that as bad as we are we beat Oakland and that the young guys especially experienced a win. Overall though I don't really care.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 07:41 PM
I don;t want Herm anywhere near a playoff game unless he's coaching the other side. Why go forward with a bad game-day coach? You are just setting yourself up for failure.
In my mind, the jury is still out on Herm. I do see a team that has improved greatly over the course of a season. I don't know what else you can ask of a coach during a complete rebuilding season.

A few games into this season, the team literally could not run the ball, throw the ball, catch the ball, stop the run, stop the pass, kick a field goal, or cover a kick. Literally the only thing they could do competently was punt the ball, and even that didn't matter because we couldn't cover the punt. I have never seen a worse team than when we started the season.

Add in the fact that we now have a starting QB who was on the Vikings Practice Squad to start the season, and it's a minor miracle that we've been competitive in almost every game this season including a couple of wins.

TEX
11-30-2008, 08:00 PM
I'm always glad when we beat the Raiders, but it just doesn't matter like it used to before Herm arrived...

milkman
11-30-2008, 08:02 PM
When they drafted Manning, they had one of the all time best Wide Receivers in Marvin Harrison and one of the all time best RBs in Marshall Faulk.

But what about the O-Line?

Wasn't it pretty bad when the Colts drafted Manning?

ChiefsCountry
11-30-2008, 08:04 PM
But what about the O-Line?

Wasn't it pretty bad when the Colts drafted Manning?

They had Glenn. Sounds like something we have here. Stud WR, young left tackle.

milkman
11-30-2008, 08:09 PM
They had Glenn. Sounds like something we have here. Stud WR, young left tackle.

That's what I thought.

It makes the argument against drafting a franchise QB before you get the O-Line in place a moot argument.

jjchieffan
11-30-2008, 08:10 PM
I, for one, am thrilled with the win. Not only was it against the hated faiders, it also helps the confidence of all the young guys on this team. I would be thrilled with 6-10 at this point. Then, I know that this team is on the right track.

As for the first pick overall or bust crowd who was rooting for a loss today, I have two things to say. nlm and LMAO

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 08:11 PM
But what about the O-Line?

Wasn't it pretty bad when the Colts drafted Manning?
The year prior to drafting Manning, they used their first and second round picks on Tackles. They got Tarik Glenn and Adam Meadows. Glenn went to multiple Pro Bowls, and Meadows started 96 games for the Colts.

I would say that the Colts are a case study in how to build a team by putting a potential franchise QB into a position to succeed. Great young RB plus great WR plus great young bookend Tackles combined with maybe the best pro prospect QB ever to come out of college = great offense for years to come.

milkman
11-30-2008, 08:15 PM
The year prior to drafting Manning, they used their first and second round picks on Tackles. They got Tarik Glenn and Adam Meadows. Glenn went to multiple Pro Bowls, and Meadows started 96 games for the Colts.

I would say that the Colts are a case study in how to build a team by putting a potential franchise QB into a position to succeed. Great young RB plus great WR plus great young bookend Tackles combined with maybe the best pro prospect QB ever to come out of college = great offense for years to come.

Good info, thanks.

boogblaster
11-30-2008, 08:20 PM
Herm will be back so will Carl .. Their contracts run till then .. Maybe the next draft will help the team and the new coaches in 2010 ...

cdcox
11-30-2008, 08:27 PM
The year prior to drafting Manning, they used their first and second round picks on Tackles. They got Tarik Glenn and Adam Meadows. Glenn went to multiple Pro Bowls, and Meadows started 96 games for the Colts.

I would say that the Colts are a case study in how to build a team by putting a potential franchise QB into a position to succeed. Great young RB plus great WR plus great young bookend Tackles combined with maybe the best pro prospect QB ever to come out of college = great offense for years to come.

If they had won one more game in '97 they would have ended up with Ryan Leaf and it all would have gone up in flames. But it would have been great for them to win that one extra game since one draft position doesn't matter.

luv
11-30-2008, 08:29 PM
If they had won one more game in '97 they would have ended up with Ryan Leaf and it all would have gone up in flames. But it would have been great for them to win that one extra game since one draft position doesn't matter.

Who are you wanting so bad that you wanted to lose to Oakland? We're not going to have the number one overall.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 08:29 PM
But what about the O-Line?

Wasn't it pretty bad when the Colts drafted Manning?

And what was their record the first season with Manning?

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Herm will be back so will Carl .. Their contracts run till then .. Maybe the next draft will help the team and the new coaches in 2010 ...
What has Herm done wrong in your opinion? What would you expect to see done better?

This is literally one of the least talented football teams I have ever seen. The proven players are way past their prime years, the players in their prime have no talent, and the players with potential are all first year players. What was he supposed to do?

I'm not saying that Herm's the right guy or that he's the wrong guy. I just don't see how you could look at this team and say that we should be anything other than what we are; a rebuilding team that has shown steady improvement throughout the year.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 08:33 PM
Who are you wanting so bad that you wanted to lose to Oakland? We're not going to have the number one overall.

Even after today, there is still a better chance of us getting the overall number 1 pick than there was of us making the playoffs going into week 17 of the 2006 season. Sometimes the unexpected happens.

But our odds went down by a factor of 10 today.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 08:34 PM
And what was their record the first season with Manning?
They were 3-13 the first year then 13-3 the next year after they added Edgerrin James.

milkman
11-30-2008, 08:34 PM
What has Herm done wrong in your opinion? What would you expect to see done better?

This is literally one of the least talented football teams I have ever seen. The proven players are way past their prime years, the players in their prime have no talent, and the players with potential are all first year players. What was he supposed to do?

I'm not saying that Herm's the right guy or that he's the wrong guy. I just don't see how you could look at this team and say that we should be anything other than what we are; a rebuilding team that has shown steady improvement throughout the year.

The concern is that if this team does devlop, and we find ousrselves in the playoffs, we don't want Herman fucking Edwards anywhere near the side lines.

He's a terrible game day coach.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 08:37 PM
The concern is that if this team does devlop, and we find ousrselves in the playoffs, we don't want Herman ****ing Edwards anywhere near the side lines.

He's a terrible game day coach.

I would agree with that, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon. Herm and CP will probably be gone before then.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 08:39 PM
What has Herm done wrong in your opinion?

In the 2004 playoff game against the Steelers, he sat on the ball upon crossing the 30 yard line, leaving his kicker with a 45 yard FG, instead of continuing to drive the ball for a TD or at least a high percentage FG range. That's all I needed to see. I've seen plenty to reinforce this numb-skullery since.

Ebolapox
11-30-2008, 08:39 PM
'feh.' I wasn't displeased (it's hard for me to be pissed about us winning), but there was a sour taste in my mouth after this win. less than bad is not = good. and that's what today was--oakland played like total and complete shit, we just played like shit. winning today was kinda like winning at the special olympics--even though we won, our team is still retarded.

luv
11-30-2008, 08:40 PM
Even after today, there is still a better chance of us getting the overall number 1 pick than there was of us making the playoffs going into week 17 of the 2006 season. Sometimes the unexpected happens.

But our odds went down by a factor of 10 today.

That doesn't answer my question.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 08:41 PM
If they had won one more game in '97 they would have ended up with Ryan Leaf and it all would have gone up in flames. But it would have been great for them to win that one extra game since one draft position doesn't matter.

The Chiefs aren't in a position to get the number 1 overall pick anyway, so it's a moot point. There were almost as many scouts that had Leaf #1 as those who had Manning #1. If the Colts had picked Leaf number 1 overall, he would have still been a disaster. It's back to the point that it's what you do with your pick more than who you pick.

If the Chargers had picked Randy Moss instead of Ryan Leaf, they would have been miles ahead of the game. The Chargers didn't fail because they didn't have the number one pick. They failed because they whiffed on the pick that they did make.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 08:42 PM
That doesn't answer my question.

Stafford. QB is by far the most important position for building a multi-year dynasty. It is not guaranteed he'll develop into a franchise guy, but the odds are about as good as you can get.

Saul Good
11-30-2008, 08:44 PM
Stafford. QB is by far the most important position for building a multi-year dynasty. It is not guaranteed he'll develop into a franchise guy, but the odds are about as good as you can get.
This win won't keep us from getting Stafford. The Lions going 0 for 2008 will.

Guru
11-30-2008, 08:45 PM
I hate that I can no longer get excited about a win with the Chiefs. Just meh the whole game. watched. was happy. But didn't really care either way at the end. Chiefs could have given up 2 TDs and the lead at the end and it wouldn't have bothered me.

I look forward to screaming and jumping out of my chair again someday with the good and the bad. Right now though, I just have ZERO expectation from this team.

EyePod
11-30-2008, 08:46 PM
Im glad we won.

But extremely ****ing pissed at Hamas for posting that Gunshot gif to the head that my seven year old had to see.

And he posted it multiple times.

If Claythan had done that I wonder how many days he would now be banned for?

Is that real? I couldn't tell (I would be pissed about that too though, even if it is a fake.).

Rain Man
11-30-2008, 08:53 PM
For the record, I'm glad to see the win. The nitwit coach and GM will be here next year no matter what, so it doesn't matter from that perspective. As far as draft position, players move way too much in the draft to be thinking about that at this point. I know that Stafford is Jesus, but people swore Reggie Bush was Jesus a couple of years back and he didn't even go with the first pick when all was said and done.

Short Leash Hootie
11-30-2008, 08:54 PM
If it was an anomaly, I'd agree with you, but it isn't. This offense is only going to get less effective the more tape is out there. And once D-Coordinators wise up and start blitzing the hell out of Thigpen, the jig is up.

I agree with you there...when teams send the house Thigpen becomes far less effective...

I don't necessarily think the jig is up...he might adjust and he might get better...but yes, Buffalo and even Oakland a little bit today exploited his decision making facing heavy blitzes.

OnTheWarpath58
11-30-2008, 08:55 PM
I agree with you there...when teams send the house Thigpen becomes far less effective...

I don't necessarily think the jig is up...he might adjust and he might get better...but yes, Buffalo and even Oakland a little bit today exploited his decision making facing heavy blitzes.

Which, IMO, is another indictment on the coaching staff.

Why do we refuse to run screens, ESPECIALLY in obvious blitzing situations?

DEN14 KC10
11-30-2008, 08:55 PM
My reaction to today's Chiefs' win:

I was pleased. The Raiders are the most hated team in the division and it's always nice to see them lose.

In addition to that, the Chiefs' chance to get Matthew Stafford diminished today which is good for the long-term prospects of the Denver Broncos.

Coach
11-30-2008, 08:55 PM
One thing I should give props is that Leggett actually looked like a NFL player out there. It's funny, a few weeks ago the opposing offense would pick on Leggett, and we all were calling for his head. And now he might turn into a real NFL player

cdcox
11-30-2008, 09:03 PM
The Chiefs aren't in a position to get the number 1 overall pick anyway, so it's a moot point. There were almost as many scouts that had Leaf #1 as those who had Manning #1. If the Colts had picked Leaf number 1 overall, he would have still been a disaster. It's back to the point that it's what you do with your pick more than who you pick.

If the Chargers had picked Randy Moss instead of Ryan Leaf, they would have been miles ahead of the game. The Chargers didn't fail because they didn't have the number one pick. They failed because they whiffed on the pick that they did make.

We had a 15% chance at the overall number 1 pick going into this weekend's play. Not great, but not a chance. Even if you thought the odds were 90% that Detroit would lose each of their individual games, there is a 1 - 0.9^4 = 35% chance of them still winning at least 1 game this season.

If you go back to 1998 and take away Peyton Manning from the Colts and add Randy Moss that team doesn't have half the success that they did. The point is that there are unique talents in the draft that can make a franchise for 15 years. You don't always hit on those players, but to underestimate their value is to divorce ones self from reality.

Lets say the that there was 35% chance of Stafford developing into a franchise QB. My program estimated our odds of getting a first round draft choice were 15% going into today. The victory today cost us a 5% chance of getting a franchise QB. That is a hell of a loss for a team that hasn't had a franchise QB in 34 years.

DEN14 KC10
11-30-2008, 09:09 PM
cdcox

Is your site going to still have San Diego as the most likely team to win the AFC West after week 13? You do know that Denver's magic number is now down to 2 with 4 games remaining.

OnTheWarpath58
11-30-2008, 09:09 PM
We had a 15% chance at the overall number 1 pick going into this weekend's play. Not great, but not a chance. Even if you thought the odds were 90% that Detroit would lose each of their individual games, there is a 1 - 0.9^4 = 35% chance of them still winning at least 1 game this season.

If you go back to 1998 and take away Peyton Manning from the Colts and add Randy Moss that team doesn't have half the success that they did. The point is that there are unique talents in the draft that can make a franchise for 15 years. You don't always hit on those players, but to underestimate their value is to divorce ones self from reality.

Lets say the that there was 35% chance of Stafford developing into a franchise QB. My program estimated our odds of getting a first round draft choice were 15% going into today. The victory today cost us a 5% chance of getting a franchise QB. That is a hell of a loss for a team that hasn't had a franchise QB in 34 years.


What happens when you go back to 1999 and take Tim Couch from the Browns and add Donovan McNabb?

Or to 2002 and take David Carr from the Texans and add Julius Peppers?

Couple of examples where the teams NOT picking #1 ended up with much better players than the team who picked first. And actually, the majority of the time, the best player from the last 10-15 drafts have NOT been picked #1 overall.

So, again:

It's not where you pick, it's what you do with that pick.

Coach
11-30-2008, 09:10 PM
cdcox

Is your site going to still have San Diego as the most likely team to win the AFC West after week 13? You do know that Denver's magic number is now down to 2 with 4 games remaining.

That's okay. Everybody knows that Denver is going to be one and done in the playoffs, especially with that awful defense of yours.

I mean, what kind of a defense is it if you let JaMarcus Russell complete 90% of his passes?

Short Leash Hootie
11-30-2008, 09:11 PM
Which, IMO, is another indictment on the coaching staff.

Why do we refuse to run screens, ESPECIALLY in obvious blitzing situations?

Well, we called a FEW screens today...but all in all I don't think our offense found a rhythm in the first half because of the lopsided T.O.P.

The 2nd half was much better, it wasn't a COMPLETE offensive day but Oakland does have a pretty underrated defense and I was really happy with Larry Johnson today.

Our offense still has 4 games to prove some things, but all signs point to this offense being very capable for next season...but our defense needs a TON of work...I mean, if we had the same defense we had for the first 8 games last year we'd have 6 wins right now.

We desperately need a pass rush. Plain and simple.

Stinger
11-30-2008, 09:14 PM
For last few season most of the same people have been lamenting a win. Quick question .... When is OK to start winning? Next year?? The year after?? Eight years from now trying to get the #1 for those other seven years? If not now when?

Young players need validation for there hard work and it seems to me that winning a game is is a great way to get that validation.

DEN14 KC10
11-30-2008, 09:16 PM
That's okay. Everybody knows that Denver is going to be one and done in the playoffs, especially with that awful defense of yours.

I mean, what kind of a defense is it if you let JaMarcus Russell complete 90% of his passes?

The performance of the defense is irrelevant. Long before the season started, it was known Denver was going to live and die with the offense. Today Thomas Jones torched Denver's defense on the ground. It didn't matter.

When Cutler and the offense is on point, Denver wins in spite of their defense. The offense is that good. That's why they have triumphs against the Falcons and the Jets on the road in the last two weeks.

OnTheWarpath58
11-30-2008, 09:17 PM
For last few season most of the same people have been lamenting a win. Quick question .... When is OK to start winning? Next year?? The year after?? Eight years from now trying to get the #1 for those other seven years? If not now when?


No kidding.

Bitch that the coach cost us several wins, then bitch when we actually win.

This place is fucking bi-polar.

Rain Man
11-30-2008, 09:17 PM
For last few season most of the same people have been lamenting a win. Quick question .... When is OK to start winning? Next year?? The year after?? Eight years from now trying to get the #1 for those other seven years? If not now when?

Young players need validation for there hard work and it seems to me that winning a game is is a great way to get that validation.

And the funniest part is that the people who want to lose to get a higher draft pick tend to be the worst at identifying talent in the draft.

Ebolapox
11-30-2008, 09:18 PM
The performance of the defense is irrelevant. Long before the season started, it was known Denver was going to live and die with the offense. Today Thomas Jones torched Denver's defense on the ground. It didn't matter.

When Cutler and the offense is on point, Denver wins in spite of their defense. The offense is that good. That's why they have triumphs against the Falcons and the Jets on the road in the last two weeks.

the sad thing? you got f'd in the A in arrowhead. against us. and we're fucking pathetic. what does that say about you? you lost to BOTH the raiders and us. that's pretty fucking pathetic.

Ebolapox
11-30-2008, 09:19 PM
And the funniest part is that the people who want to lose to get a higher draft pick tend to be the worst at identifying talent in the draft.

feh. mecca is 'good' at the draft

:spock:

don't get me wrong--mecca is alright by me--but calling yourself 'good' at the draft is a bit sad and big-headed.

cdcox
11-30-2008, 09:20 PM
No kidding.

Bitch that the coach cost us several wins, then bitch when we actually win.

This place is ****ing bi-polar.

You've got the dope avatar. If you want him to still be coach, root for wins. If you want him gone, it will take more losses. Cause and effect.

DEN14 KC10
11-30-2008, 09:27 PM
the sad thing? you got f'd in the A in arrowhead. against us. and we're ****ing pathetic. what does that say about you? you lost to BOTH the raiders and us. that's pretty ****ing pathetic.

This is Shanahan's youngest squad in his 14 years as Broncos coach.

It should be no surprise this young team has it's off days. They are learning and growing just like the Chiefs.

OnTheWarpath58
11-30-2008, 09:30 PM
You've got the dope avatar. If you want him to still be coach, root for wins. If you want him gone, it will take more losses. Cause and effect.

If you're naive enough to think it actually makes a difference, then continue to believe that.

He could have gone 0-16 this year, and Clark would opt to keep him.

He has one year left on his contract, and I'm of the opinion that Clark thinks this is the first year of the actual rebuild, things being done Herm's way without Carl getting involved.

I don't like it, but I'm not going to ignore it.

Hopefully, I'm dead wrong. But in this case, with this franchise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

splatbass
11-30-2008, 09:34 PM
The performance of the defense is irrelevant. Long before the season started, it was known Denver was going to live and die with the offense. Today Thomas Jones torched Denver's defense on the ground. It didn't matter.

When Cutler and the offense is on point, Denver wins in spite of their defense. The offense is that good. That's why they have triumphs against the Falcons and the Jets on the road in the last two weeks.

A high powered offense and no defense is not a recipe for winning in the playoffs. Ask the 2003 Chiefs.

TEX
12-01-2008, 01:21 AM
If you're naive enough to think it actually makes a difference, then continue to believe that.

He could have gone 0-16 this year, and Clark would opt to keep him.

He has one year left on his contract, and I'm of the opinion that Clark thinks this is the first year of the actual rebuild, things being done Herm's way without Carl getting involved.

I don't like it, but I'm not going to ignore it.

Hopefully, I'm dead wrong. But in this case, with this franchise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Unfortunately you are correct. Herm was always coming back next season. :shake:

Ultra Peanut
12-01-2008, 01:30 AM
In my mind, the jury is still out on Herm.Gat damn.

Mecca
12-01-2008, 01:32 AM
Gat damn.

7 years is not long enough to judge a mans career apparently.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 04:56 AM
Who are you wanting so bad that you wanted to lose to Oakland? We're not going to have the number one overall.

Do you ever read the fucking threads you participate in?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 04:59 AM
What happens when you go back to 1999 and take Tim Couch from the Browns and add Donovan McNabb?

Or to 2002 and take David Carr from the Texans and add Julius Peppers?

Couple of examples where the teams NOT picking #1 ended up with much better players than the team who picked first. And actually, the majority of the time, the best player from the last 10-15 drafts have NOT been picked #1 overall.

So, again:

It's not where you pick, it's what you do with that pick.

You can't pick the best player if you never get the chance to draft him.

This isn't M theory.

Yeah, we could make a mistake, but if you are so afraid of making a mistake that you would rather sacrifice the opportunity to get an extremely elite and rare prospect, then you should probably go BASE jumping with a concrete parachute.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 05:15 AM
And the funniest part is that the people who want to lose to get a higher draft pick tend to be the worst at identifying talent in the draft.

Dang it. I really wanted Brohm

Currently benched behind a rookie 7th rounder.

In the second round, you listed...

My top five preferences right now:

1. Brian Brohm (GET HIM!)
2. Limas Sweed
3. Mike Pollak
4. Dan Connor
5. Ali Highsmith

This is shaping up pretty well.

Highsmith wasn't even drafted. Connor was drafted an entire round later, and did nothing before blowing his ACL. Sweed has been outplayed by nearly every other 2nd Round WR, including Devin Thomas, DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, and Donnie Avery.

You also wanted us to take Owen Schmitt in the 3rd.


You know nothing about the draft, so don't pawn yourself off as any kind of authority.

Lzen
12-01-2008, 09:07 AM
Those young guys needed a win. You don't become winners by losing.

This.

luv
12-01-2008, 09:16 AM
Do you ever read the fucking threads you participate in?

My apologies for not going back to read through 150 posts in order to find out something whenever the person I was asking was still actively participating in the thread. You certainly are hostile. Are you in therapy? If Stafford is the god that everyone's making him out to be, then the Lions will get him with their first pick.

Inspector
12-01-2008, 09:18 AM
So, like, we're in the playoffs now, right?

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 09:18 AM
That sums up how I feel........now cue all the people from the game thread to say they "don't need fans like us"


nonsense, you are the yin to our yang - so you are very needed, you're just not liked very much when you continue to endlessly spew everthing non-USC as negative.

HemiEd
12-01-2008, 09:19 AM
that is such a fallacy

Detroit made bad decisions. They made bad draft picks and hired bad coaches.

how on earth people take that example to mean that we don't need high draft picks and QB to build a team is ****ing beyond me...

we have an opportunity to draft a damn good QB...and all people do is make up freakishly ridiculous excuses for why it might not work...

"sorry, we can't draft peyton manning because once this other team made a bad draft pick...."

Many teams, not just Detroit, have continued to draft high, year after year.

That being said, considering where this team is, I was wanting a loss yesterday. By more than 3!

Rain Man
12-01-2008, 09:20 AM
(Diatribe.)


Now see, herein lies the difference. I don't claim to know anything about the draft. I don't claim to be an expert. I just grab a draft magazine, read it a few days before the draft, and have fun with it.

Do you really want me to go mining for the self-proclaimed draft experts' selections? Just say yes if you do. Just say yes. Say yes. I'm straining at my leash. Pulling hard. My paws are sliding on the floor. Claws scratching the hardwood. Breath coming in rasps as I pull against my self-restraint.

Brock
12-01-2008, 09:20 AM
Now see, herein lies the difference. I don't claim to know anything about the draft. I don't claim to be an expert. I just grab a draft magazine, read it a few days before the draft, and have fun with it.

Do you really want me to go mining for the draft experts' selections? Just say yes if you do. Just say yes. Say yes. I'm straining at my leash. Pulling hard. My paws are sliding on the floor. Claws scratching the hardwood. Breath coming in rasps as I pull against my self-restraint.

ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 09:23 AM
Now see, herein lies the difference. I don't claim to know anything about the draft. I don't claim to be an expert..

No, you just claim to know how to proffer opinions on others' abilities to gauge talent when you have none your own.

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 09:25 AM
One thing I should give props is that Leggett actually looked like a NFL player out there. It's funny, a few weeks ago the opposing offense would pick on Leggett, and we all were calling for his head. And now he might turn into a real NFL player


This is a simple summary to most of Chiefs Planet's posters....

Rain Man
12-01-2008, 09:25 AM
No, you just claim to know how to proffer opinions on others' abilities to gauge talent when you have none your own.

Yes. That's right.

Cormac
12-01-2008, 09:28 AM
You play to win the game.

Simple as that.

IMO, success breeds success. Making giant sucking sounds and drafting high year after year is no recipe for success (look at Detroit, Cincy etc). You end up drafting malcontents that want out after a year or two, quit trying and eventually get cut/traded and rot on some other team because they've forgotten how to play.

Every year the CP consensus is that "we'd be guaranteed an impact player if we drafted (one pick) higher than we are slotted". BS. The draft has no guarantees. All I want are talented, HUNGRY players. I don't care what slot they are drafted in. And I always want them drafted into a winning situation with leadership and a history of success.

OTOH, I can't bear the thought of another game (let alone season) of Herm. I trust Clark to see the futility of his leadership and fire him regardless of how many more games we win. If he is satisfied with 2-19 in the last 21 games, he doesn't deserve my support.

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 09:29 AM
No, you just claim to know how to proffer opinions on others' abilities to gauge talent when you have none your own.


Point to Rainman - his ability to gauge talent is about as equal to yours, yet he doesn't rant under the same false pretenses as you.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 09:32 AM
Point to Rainman - his ability to gauge talent is about as equal to yours.

LAWL.

Please, prove this.

L.A. Chieffan
12-01-2008, 09:35 AM
buncha slack jawed faggots around here......

Rain Man
12-01-2008, 09:39 AM
LAWL.

Please, prove this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937725#post3937725

Post #2667 might serve as an example of an idiot with a magazine winning over a draft expert. I applaud your effort, though.

Reerun_KC
12-01-2008, 09:45 AM
Just depressed considering that I have a feeling we'll win the Bengals game, Clark will declare improvement and give Herm another year, we'll draft 5th and not get a viable QB, we'll win 8 games in 2009 and Herm will get an extension.

This.....

It was sickening, I turned the game off when the Chiefs went up by 10... Nothing is more depressing knowing Clark will give these guys another year of losing football before he is man enough to make changes...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 09:49 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937725#post3937725

Post #2667 might serve as an example of an idiot with a magazine winning over a draft expert. I applaud your effort, though.

Yeah, I was wrong. The difference is I can admit it.

Three posts later:

We definitely shouldn't trade Trent Green. Definitely not. Keep him, keep him, keep him.


I'll also tell you who else I was wrong about:

Matt Ryan.

But I'm right a lot more than the vast majority of the people on this site, which isn't saying much, but you are of the same "draft a fullback", don't trade Jared (I remember your meltdown over that), win that Jets game that got us to this hell to begin with.

HemiEd
12-01-2008, 09:54 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937725#post3937725

Post #2667 might serve as an example of an idiot with a magazine winning over a draft expert. I applaud your effort, though.

ooops.

Planetman
12-01-2008, 09:55 AM
ooops.
Nice. :D

Brock
12-01-2008, 09:56 AM
But I'm right a lot more than the vast majority of the people on this site, which isn't saying much, but you are of the same "draft a fullback", don't trade Jared (I remember your meltdown over that), win that Jets game that got us to this hell to begin with.


There was and still is plenty of argument over whether trading Allen was the right thing to do.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 10:03 AM
About Michael Allen instead of Brandon Siler:

We have a huge hole at backup MLB and a 3rd Team All American who played in the SEC is sitting right there and we pass him over for a TE project from D-III who is going to be a PS guy.

We had the chance to take advantage of every other team's stupidity and instead joined the crowd.

The guy is a phenomenal ST Ace for them, and makes a huge difference in their coverage unit.

My review of Miami's '07 Draft:

Miami should get an F- for this draft. A shitload of RBs which they don't need, an injured Kick Returner with the #9 pick, and a 26 year old rookie trying to learn the most complex system in pro football.

Rock solid.

Another one:

If I'm ranking the worst picks of the first day I'd have to go:

1) Ted Ginn to Miami
2) San Diego's 1st round reeeeach
3) Kevin Kolb to Philly
4) Jarvis Moss to Denver (because they traded away two picks to take a guy who they would have gotten at the same spot)

In that same draft, I had a meltdown because we took McBride over Kalil.

I was the first guy on this entire board to pimp Matt Forte last March, whenever everyone else was considering him a 6th round pick.

The fact of the matter is that I'm human. I'll be right, and I'll be wrong. But I'll take my ratio of right/wrong over the die hard homers 8 days a week, because you guys can't see past your hope to the reality of the situation at hand.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 10:04 AM
There was and still is plenty of argument over whether trading Allen was the right thing to do.

And 1 year of Jared Allen isn't worth 10 years of Branden Albert, let alone DaJuan Morgan and Jamaal Charles.

Brock
12-01-2008, 10:07 AM
And 1 year of Jared Allen isn't worth 10 years of Branden Albert, let alone DaJuan Morgan and Jamaal Charles.

How about 5-7 years of Jared Allen compared to those players? Not that I favored that, but it does change the equation.

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 10:07 AM
LAWL.

Please, prove this.


how many scouting sessions have you been to? Pro days? NFL Combines?

maybe about the same as Rainman's? Or mine? Or the majority here?

you have OPINIONS based on what you've seen, that's all. You may watch more games, but overall your OPINIONS are not any more factually based upon anything remotely more substantial than what ESPN shows you during sportcenter highlights.

Get over yourself.

* Hint - noticed another difference. Your posts about what to do in the drafts are "we better take Player X" while many others of us say "I don't know if I like that"

I wonder if you can even notice the difference there.....

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 10:12 AM
How about 5-7 years of Jared Allen compared to those players? Not that I favored that, but it does change the equation.

I still don't think it's a good idea, because then you bring the Salary Cap into the equation, plus the fact that he's much more of a risk. Then when you add the cold dose of reality that he was never going to re-sign here, and you have a friggin steal.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 10:14 AM
how many scouting sessions have you been to? Pro days? NFL Combines?

maybe about the same as Rainman's? Or mine? Or the majority here?

you have OPINIONS based on what you've seen, that's all. You may watch more games, but overall your OPINIONS are not any more factually based upon anything remotely more substantial than what ESPN shows you during sportcenter highlights.

Get over yourself.

* Hint - noticed another difference. Your posts about what to do in the drafts are "we better take Player X" while many others of us say "I don't know if I like that"

I wonder if you can even notice the difference there.....

First of all, I don't watch ESPN. It's sports coverage for people with ADD.

Secondly, there are a myriad of good sources for draft information out there, and the fact that you didn't list any of them, thinking that the Worldwide Leader is where I get my info, is pretty telling.

Extra Point
12-01-2008, 10:18 AM
Talk about backing into a win! (Remember the National Lampoon pic of Richard Nixon and Sammy Davis Jr? How 'bout Clark and Herm? Or Clark-Carl-Herm?)

No, I wouldn't let a 7-year-old on this website, either. Nor would I want a daughter to date Mecca.

Signed,
Indecisive Bastard

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 10:18 AM
First of all, I don't watch ESPN. It's sports coverage for people with ADD.

Secondly, there are a myriad of good sources for draft information out there, and the fact that you didn't list any of them, thinking that the Worldwide Leader is where I get my info, is pretty telling.


M'eh, I went overboard, mostly trying to have fun with you;

I'm just saying that any source an average person can read was written by someone else. Film to be watched was taped by someone else, pictures taken by someone else.

Does this someone else maybe not know the whole story? Does this someone maybe want to show their own agenda? Even the so called experts that watch every stinking move any one kid from College makes, still gets it screwed up sometimes. It's possible you don't know as much as you put off that you do.

Because often, it seems to me anyway, that you come off very arrogant....

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-01-2008, 10:20 AM
Because often, it seems to me anyway, that you come off very arrogant....

because I am

Planetman
12-01-2008, 10:22 AM
I hate to break up the CrazyCoffey and 'Hamas' Jenkins love fest (yeesh) but my take on the win is as follows.

While I would have liked the Chiefs to have a higher draft pick, in reality, it really won't make that much difference. I am happy for the guys under the pads for finally getting a victory, even if it was handed to us on a black and silver platter.

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 10:23 AM
because I am

we agree then;

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant


1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner.

crazycoffey
12-01-2008, 10:24 AM
I hate to break up the CrazyCoffey and 'Hamas' Jenkins love fest (yeesh) but my take on the win is as follows.

While I would have liked the Chiefs to have a higher draft pick, in reality, it really won't make that much difference. I am happy for the guys under the pads for finally getting a victory, even if it was handed to us on a black and silver platter.


LOL @ love fest

I agree with you BTW, on the win.

Extra Point
12-01-2008, 10:25 AM
I hate to break up the CrazyCoffey and 'Hamas' Jenkins love fest (yeesh) but my take on the win is as follows.

While I would have liked the Chiefs to have a higher draft pick, in reality, it really won't make that much difference. I am happy for the guys under the pads for finally getting a victory, even if it was handed to us on a black and silver platter.

This thread's work in life is finished!

Planetman
12-01-2008, 10:26 AM
This thread's work in life is finished!
I have a few rep points (which I spread your way) that says you're wrong. :D

JASONSAUTO
12-01-2008, 10:27 AM
its nice to see some hard hitting from the defense once again..... flowers, dj, pollard. the one flowers laid on the TE was great, later the TE dropped ons TRYING to not get hit again LOL

blueballs
12-01-2008, 10:39 AM
they showed a graph during the game
that Battle had a 15 yard gain
I don't recall Battle even in the game

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 10:40 AM
they showed a graph during the game
that Battle had a 15 yard gain
I don't recall Battle even in the game

I saw that too. They claimed he has a 15 yard reception.

If he did, I sure as hell missed it.

HemiEd
12-01-2008, 11:07 AM
While I would have liked the Chiefs to have a higher draft pick, in reality, it really won't make that much difference. I am happy for the guys under the pads for finally getting a victory, even if it was handed to us on a black and silver platter.

Raiders=you take it! We are not going to take an auto 3.
Chiefs=no, you take it!
Raiders=you take it! We will go for a fourth and long.
Chiefs=no, you take it!
Raiders=no, we can out stink you! You take it, we want to draft ahead of you!

Reerun_KC
12-01-2008, 11:18 AM
Raiders=you take it! We are not going to take an auto 3.
Chiefs=no, you take it!
Raiders=you take it! We will go for a fourth and long.
Chiefs=no, you take it!
Raiders=no, we can out stink you! You take it, we want to draft ahead of you!

Print'em! Herm is taking us to the 'ship!

JASONSAUTO
12-01-2008, 11:19 AM
they showed a graph during the game
that Battle had a 15 yard gain
I don't recall Battle even in the game

i saw him alot on ST

Lzen
12-01-2008, 12:18 PM
buncha slack jawed pillowbiters around here......

Well, that's what you get for living in Los Angeles.

Frosty
12-01-2008, 03:39 PM
I know it hurts the draft position but being swept by the Raiders would have really, really, really sucked.

talastan
12-01-2008, 03:43 PM
I know it hurts the draft position but being swept by the Raiders would have really, really, really sucked.

Agreed, I don't want to pick too far down but we didn't IMO really jepordize our higher pick with this win. At worst we probably will still pick in the top 5 IMO. But being swept by the Raitards would be intolerable personally.

Bearcat
12-01-2008, 04:10 PM
It absolutely matters. The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is very small. When young players bust their asses week in and week out and still walk away with a loss, they get discouraged and begin to question if they will ever get rewarded for their hard work. When they finally start to turn the corner and win games, it encourages them to continue to work hard.

Say that you start a diet and join a gym because you want to go from 240 pounds to 190 pounds. For the first month, you work your butt off and really deprive yourself of the fatty food you normally eat. Then you step on the scale and see that you gained 2 pounds. Are you going to be encouraged to continue to work hard to stay on the diet? Probably not.

What if, instead of gaining 2 pounds, you lose 2 pounds? There really isn't a huge difference between 242 and 238 pounds, but the fact that you start to see results, even if they are very minor initially, makes you much more likely to stick to the plan.

This is where the Chiefs are right now. They are a long way from where they need to be. 2-10 versus 1-11 may not really be very different, but in terms of the way the young players feel about themselves after winning, there is a big difference.

I think it goes back to being competitive, and the reason is that the difference between winning and losing is so small. Like I said before, you don't learn anything from losing 34-0, but you can learn from being a 2-point conversion away or a first down away from winning.

I would see your point with the analogy if you weren't relating it to people who have dedicated their lives to their profession. Hell, I spent the better part of my teenage and college years trying to put on weight, and even though it didn't take up my life, I didn't quit the first month or the first year it didn't happen.

Anyway, we aren't talking about a diet, we're talking about pro athletes who are making millions to play a game, getting discouraged after a season or two of losing? If they can't see the light at the end of the tunnel despite the close wins in the last couple of months, and they are thinking about quitting or about not giving 100%, I don't really want them here to begin with.

What has Herm done wrong in your opinion? What would you expect to see done better?


I agree with what milkman said... for a long time I had a wait-and-see mentality, but he's repeatedly made the wrong decisions during games and is awful at in-game adjustments. Herm's philosophy is all about having a chance to win at the end, and you can't do that when you're playing the best teams in the league. There's a reason he's around .500 for his career and (I think) ~.333 for the playoffs... when you play not to lose, you'll win about half your games, and fewer than that in the playoffs.

KCChiefsMan
12-01-2008, 04:40 PM
you always want to be Oakland and Denver

MahiMike
12-01-2008, 06:52 PM
I'm glad for Thiggy and I still think the 5th-7th pick is the sweet spot.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-07-2008, 03:38 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3937725#post3937725

Post #2667 might serve as an example of an idiot with a magazine winning over a draft expert. I applaud your effort, though.

For the record.

1a. Sedrick Ellis DT
1b. Chris Williams LT
2. Carl Nicks RT
3a. Charles Godfrey CB
3b. Chris Ellis DE
3c. Eric Young OG
4. Mike Pollack C
5a. Kerry Brown OG
5b. Keenan Burton WR
6a. Wesley Woodyard OLB
6b. Dwight Lowery CB
7a. Caleb Campbell SS
7b. Jalen Parmele RB