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Direckshun
12-01-2008, 06:34 AM
He played very well at LT in the preseason.

But he's only played "pretty good" since, and it's not hard to see why.

He's stepped in to play LT, RT, and RG at multiple points this season. We're asking Herb Taylor to back up our entire line.

Which tells me, of course, that the Chiefs really want this guy on the field. But where have you noticed him playing best?

I think he can excel at RT, but he didn't play too bad inside for the couple series he was in at RG yesterday.

Kerberos
12-01-2008, 07:10 AM
Herb Taylor will start next season. But where?


Probably for Denver the way we let people go.

He'll play his way out of KC for a 4th round draft pick.

:banghead:

PhillyChiefFan
12-01-2008, 07:15 AM
RT, please please for the love of God get McIntosh out of that position.

Kerberos
12-01-2008, 07:26 AM
RT, please please for the love of God get McIntosh out of that position.

This is Herm we are talking about. SackIntosh will have his job back at RT for the next 3 seasons.

Chief Faithful
12-01-2008, 07:51 AM
I would be happy with him at either RG or RT and based on his play yesterday I suspect the Chiefs feel the same way. This means the team has flexibility to get the best OL available in FA or the draft be it a G or OT.

kcbubb
12-01-2008, 08:35 AM
Herb's strength is his pass blocking. He is not a powerful run blocker. Herb should remain a backup. The chiefs should draft a RT and move McIntosh inside to play guard. McIntosh can run block. He gets in trouble with speed pass rushers. He won't have to deal with those inside.

Micjones
12-01-2008, 10:11 AM
I'd like to see Taylor at Right Tackle, but only if he's genuinely ready to step into that role. Otherwise I'm fine with having a Bober type of Offensive Lineman that can fill in when someone goes down.

blueballs
12-01-2008, 10:13 AM
isn't Herb the new Bobber
only effective as Bobber wasn't

Extra Point
12-01-2008, 10:21 AM
Herb will be with the Chiefs for a long time, I hope. Needs more reps and to get lower.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 10:26 AM
Taylor at Center.

Niswanger at right guard.

Draftee at right tackle.

ChiefGator
12-01-2008, 10:27 AM
Taylor at Center.

Niswanger at right guard.

Draftee at right tackle.

Hmm... how about instead of leaving the last two o-lineman in their current positions we swap Waters and Alberts. Just for fun....

Bowser
12-01-2008, 10:29 AM
Niswanger needs to be at right guard, Taylor can start at right tackle, and we can get a free agent center.

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Niswanger needs to be at right guard, Taylor can start at right tackle, and we can get a free agent center.

Or hope like hell that Alex Mack (California) falls to the 2nd round...

Bowser
12-01-2008, 10:38 AM
Or hope like hell that Alex Mack (California) falls to the 2nd round...

I'll take your word for that. I'm not up on my center prospects.

Is it just me, or is anyone else having visions of our first two rounds thusly...

1) James Lauranitis

2) Josh Freeman

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 10:39 AM
I'll take your word for that. I'm not up on my center prospects.

Is it just me, or is anyone else having visions of our first two rounds thusly...

1) James Lauranitis

2) Josh Freeman

Kill yourself. /Hamas

Mr. Laz
12-01-2008, 10:41 AM
Herb Taylor will start next season. But where?
link?



rather big assumption, don't you think?

ChiefsCountry
12-01-2008, 10:42 AM
Herb's strength is his pass blocking. He is not a powerful run blocker. Herb should remain a backup. The chiefs should draft a RT and move McIntosh inside to play guard. McIntosh can run block. He gets in trouble with speed pass rushers. He won't have to deal with those inside.

McIntosh sucks as a run blocker, his natural position is left tackle. Stick his ass there as a backup to Albert.

Micjones
12-01-2008, 10:45 AM
Niswanger was more valuable to this team at Right Guard.
He should be moved back there.

Bowser
12-01-2008, 10:46 AM
Kill yourself. /Hamas

Heh. I might, if it goes down like that. Or at the very least, drop a steaming pile of poo on Carl's car.

Mr. Laz
12-01-2008, 10:51 AM
McIntosh sucks as a run blocker, his natural position is left tackle. Stick his ass there as a backup to Albert.

it's just time to cut ties with McInSuck and move on

Surtain and Donnie Edwards as well

RINGLEADER
12-01-2008, 10:54 AM
I think we're in good shape (young, but definitely in the top ten in points and yards with the group we've got) on Offense except for RT. Have no problems with Taylor at RG but would draft a RT.

evolve27
12-01-2008, 10:55 AM
I think we're in good shape (young, but definitely in the top ten in points and yards with the group we've got) on Offense except for RT. Have no problems with Taylor at RG but would draft a RT.

Where in the hell is Barry Richardson to fill in at RT?

RINGLEADER
12-01-2008, 10:56 AM
Where in the hell is Barry Richardson to fill in at RT?

Good question. What happened to him? I thought he was injured or something. Maybe he just sucks? Dunno.

Mr. Laz
12-01-2008, 10:56 AM
Where in the hell is Barry Richardson to fill in at RT?
so far Richardson has looked pretty bad

evolve27
12-01-2008, 10:59 AM
Good question. What happened to him? I thought he was injured or something. Maybe he just sucks? Dunno.

so far Richardson has looked pretty bad

Damn that kind of blows, glad we got him in the 7th but I had hopes that he would pan out to be a steal at the latter part of the draft. Maybe he gets his chance further down the road at something.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 11:03 AM
Niswanger needs to be at right guard, Taylor can start at right tackle, and we can get a free agent center.

Taylor's really not suited for right tackle.

He's only 6'3 and is more of a finesse blocker. The right tackle should be a road grader.

I agree that Taylor has too much talent to be wasting on the bench but with his body and height, he'd be perfect at center.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 11:05 AM
Damn that kind of blows, glad we got him in the 7th but I had hopes that he would pan out to be a steal at the latter part of the draft. Maybe he gets his chance further down the road at something.

Richardson was a 6th round pick. You can't expect a 6th round talent to become an immediate starter. Late round picks are generally developmental players and going as late as he did, the Chiefs can only hope that he'll be ready for backup and/or spot duty at some point during his third year.

His scouting report was mixed so I don't expect much from him.

Mr. Laz
12-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Damn that kind of blows, glad we got him in the 7th but I had hopes that he would pan out to be a steal at the latter part of the draft. Maybe he gets his chance further down the road at something.
doesn't mean Richardson won't work out ....... just may take awhile

blueballs
12-01-2008, 11:11 AM
you need that utility guy
who can come off the bench
and play all the postions and have little drop in play

Coach
12-01-2008, 11:29 AM
Taylor at Center.

Niswanger at right guard.

Draftee at right tackle.

Co-signed.

xbarretx
12-01-2008, 11:39 AM
Kill yourself. /Hamas

R0FLcopter /Hamas

Chief Faithful
12-01-2008, 11:52 AM
Herb's strength is his pass blocking. He is not a powerful run blocker. Herb should remain a backup. The chiefs should draft a RT and move McIntosh inside to play guard. McIntosh can run block. He gets in trouble with speed pass rushers. He won't have to deal with those inside.

Taylor has enough power to play guard even if he is not a road grader. What impressed me watching Taylor play guard yesterday was his foot work. He is able to secure good angles against the DT then release and disrupt the LB flow. This is the quality that separates the average guard from the NFL best. This is also a quality Jones does not posses, which is why I feel no matter how much experience he gets he will not develop into a quality guard.

Based on Taylors play against Oakland I think he could be an excellent guard or tackle. I say leave him at RG and solve that problem for the next decade. Then draft or hit FA for another OT.

Chief Faithful
12-01-2008, 11:53 AM
you need that utility guy
who can come off the bench
and play all the postions and have little drop in play

Depth is a problem all over this team. But, don't you want your best players starting? To me Taylor is the teams 3rd best Olineman so he should be starting.

aturnis
12-01-2008, 12:27 PM
I'll take your word for that. I'm not up on my center prospects.

Is it just me, or is anyone else having visions of our first two rounds thusly...

1) James Lauranitis

2) Josh Freeman

I would sure hope not...

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Taylor's really not suited for right tackle.

He's only 6'3 and is more of a finesse blocker. The right tackle should be a road grader.

I agree that Taylor has too much talent to be wasting on the bench but with his body and height, he'd be perfect at center.

This is the umpteenth time I've seen this suggested, yet no one wants to answer my question:

What, other than wishful thinking, makes you think that Taylor could play center? Did he play center at TCU and I've missed it?

aturnis
12-01-2008, 12:32 PM
I think we're in good shape (young, but definitely in the top ten in points and yards with the group we've got) on Offense except for RT. Have no problems with Taylor at RG but would draft a RT.

What? I'm not following.

Also, are you REALLY ok with Niswanger at center?

aturnis
12-01-2008, 12:33 PM
Where in the hell is Barry Richardson to fill in at RT?

Still on the sidelines working on his pass blocking.

2bikemike
12-01-2008, 12:41 PM
McIntosh sucks as a run blocker, his natural position is left tackle. Stick his ass there as a backup to Albert.

I agree about McIntosh. He has such a hard time adjusting to right tackle you can't stick him anywhere else. He would make a ok back up at LT.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 12:44 PM
This is the umpteenth time I've seen this suggested, yet no one wants to answer my question:

What, other than wishful thinking, makes you think that Taylor could play center? Did he play center at TCU and I've missed it?

He's smart, talented and his body style suits the position of center.

He's better suited at center than right guard (due to his height).

The guy needs to be on the field.

Just not at right tackle.

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 12:52 PM
He's smart, talented and his body style suits the position of center.

He's better suited at center than right guard (due to his height).

The guys needs to be on the field. Just not at right tackle.

So, your answer is "wishful thinking."

While I appreciate your optimism that a guy can just learn a completely new position, it's highly unlikely that:

a) The Chiefs would even consider it.

b) That if they did, he'd be successful.



If the kid is as limited physically as some of you claim he is, I'm starting to wonder why the fuck we even bothered to draft the kid.

Can't play RT, can't play RG.

Yet we drafted him to do just that, play RT. And he's riding pine behind a goddamn turnstile.

So, who's right?

The guys on a football message board, or the guys that do this for a fucking living?

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 12:56 PM
So, your answer is "wishful thinking."

While I appreciate your optimism that a guy can just learn a completely new position, it's highly unlikely that:

a) The Chiefs would even consider it.

b) That if they did, he'd be successful.



If the kid is as limited physically as some of you claim he is, I'm starting to wonder why the fuck we even bothered to draft the kid.

Can't play RT, can't play RG.

Yet we drafted him to do just that, play RT. And he's riding pine behind a goddamn turnstile.

So, who's right?

The guys on a football message board, or the guys that do this for a fucking living?

Jeez, calm down.

He was 6th round pick. It wasn't like he was chosen in the first or second round. And let's not pretend that athletic players like Herb Taylor can't be moved around the offensive line.

Brian Waters was a tight end and a center before moving to left guard. Niswanger's played every position along the offensive line.

Taylor's an athletic guy and the Chiefs SHOULD find a place for him to start. It's obvious that won't be a left tackle or left guard (in the near future). He's not ideally suited for right tackle.

What would you suggest?

OnTheWarpath58
12-01-2008, 01:18 PM
Jeez, calm down.

He was 6th round pick. It wasn't like he was chosen in the first or second round. And let's not pretend that athletic players like Herb Taylor can't be moved around the offensive line.

Brian Waters was a tight end and a center before moving to left guard. Niswanger's played every position along the offensive line.

Taylor's an athletic guy and the Chiefs SHOULD find a place for him to start. It's obvious that won't be a left tackle or left guard (in the near future). He's not ideally suited for right tackle.

What would you suggest?

In all honesty, I think it's really impossible to tell at this point.

As a fan, it seems ridiculous that he's riding pine behind McIntosh at RT, and is THIRD on the depth chart at RG behind Jones/Smith.

Which leads to the coaches perspective.

Do the coaches honestly think he's not good enough to start, and the fans are dead wrong - or are the coaches incompetent, and a kid with serious potential is not getting the work he deserves?

Situations like this one, as well as the Page/Pollard/Morgan situation, are just one of the many reasons I want to see an entirely new coaching staff in here, ASAP.

As a fan, I WANT to believe that Taylor is our 3rd best OLman. I WANT to believe that Morgan is better, even as a rookie, than Pollard or Page. I WANT to believe that with better coaching, we actually have some talent on our front four.

But it's going to take another coaching staff for me to pass judgment on most of these guys.

At this point, it is all but impossible to determine what we have based on who the coaches are, IMO.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 01:26 PM
In all honesty, I think it's really impossible to tell at this point.

As a fan, it seems ridiculous that he's riding pine behind McIntosh at RT, and is THIRD on the depth chart at RG behind Jones/Smith.

Which leads to the coaches perspective.

Do the coaches honestly think he's not good enough to start, and the fans are dead wrong - or are the coaches incompetent, and a kid with serious potential is not getting the work he deserves?

Situations like this one, as well as the Page/Pollard/Morgan situation, are just one of the many reasons I want to see an entirely new coaching staff in here, ASAP.

As a fan, I WANT to believe that Taylor is our 3rd best OLman. I WANT to believe that Morgan is better, even as a rookie, than Pollard or Page. I WANT to believe that with better coaching, we actually have some talent on our front four.

But it's going to take another coaching staff for me to pass judgment on most of these guys.

At this point, it is all but impossible to determine what we have based on who the coaches are, IMO.

Morgan's dealt with injuries this year so it's difficult to say whether or not he'd be an improvement at this point in time. With the ascension of the rookie cornerbacks (Leggett, Carr & Flowers), I'm holding off on judgment of David Gibbs because it appears that they are all improving from week to week.

That tells me three things:

1) Gibbs is an adequate coach.
2) The talent at cornerback is greater than at any time this decade.
3) Pollard and Page have plateaued.

Personally, I feel that the Chiefs haven't evaluated their offensive line talent properly. Niswanger showed great promise at right guard last year before injury. In an effort to get him on the field, they moved him to center. Herb Taylor is a much better left tackle than they anticipated. Good enough to have gone a different direction at pick 15? Hard to say. But he has enough talent to be starting at left tackle, left guard or center, IMO. He'd be a short term solution at right guard or right tackle, not long term.

Again, this is just my opinion of the line play, to which I pay very close attention.

LiL stumppy
12-01-2008, 02:02 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him at RT

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 02:03 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him at RT

ROFL

TRR
12-01-2008, 02:13 PM
I would ask Herb Taylor where he is most comfortable playing...Right Guard or Right Tackle. Whichever answer he gives, then that's where he would start next season.

I think Taylor is extremely gifted, and needs to start on this O Line. He is obviously an upgrade over McIntosh at RT, and a better prospect than Jones at RG. I give the guy the spot, and draft or sign a FA to finish the job on the O Line.

I am also of the opinion that Niswanger has played pretty well at Center this season. Is he a Pro Bowler, no. But he does play the pass and run well, and is learning on the fly after a significant injury last season. Leave him where he is at.

Jilly
12-01-2008, 02:35 PM
what'd he play at TCU?

BigRock
12-01-2008, 02:44 PM
Saskatchewan.

CoMoChief
12-01-2008, 02:44 PM
If we drafted Freeman in the 2nd rd I would fucking shoot everyone involved with selecting that draft pick.


that would be the worst selection in the entire draft. Freeman isn't worth more than a 5th rd pick

Count Zarth
12-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Saying he will start next season is a huge assumption.

ChiefsCountry
12-01-2008, 04:38 PM
what'd he play at TCU?

Both tackle positions.

Micjones
12-01-2008, 04:41 PM
What players on this Offensive Line are actually playing the same position they did in College?

I really hate all of the position changes this organization is so in love with.

Coach
12-01-2008, 06:01 PM
Saying he will start next season is a huge assumption.

Saying that he's a improvement over McGinatosh is not a huge assumption.

Count Zarth
12-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Saying that he's a improvement over McGinatosh is not a huge assumption.

No doubt. Did you see Burgess racing past that guy snap after snap yesterday? Disgusting.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2008, 06:17 PM
What players on this Offensive Line are actually playing the same position they did in College?

I really hate all of the position changes this organization is so in love with.

Offensive line transitions from college to the pro's should be of no concern.

Converting a safety to a cornerback?

Concern.

JASONSAUTO
12-01-2008, 06:19 PM
Offensive line transitions from college to the pro's should be of no concern.

Converting a safety to a cornerback?

Concern.

Bartee FTW

chiefzilla1501
12-01-2008, 06:32 PM
doesn't mean Richardson won't work out ....... just may take awhile

I'd expect that from an untested tackle or raw prospect, but not a left tackle for a premiere football program like Clemson.

I never understood the hype behind Richardson. He's not playing because his feet are too slow. I don't see nearly as much potential in Richardson as everyone else does.

I'm willing to wait on Taylor, though the Chiefs need to be aggressive in finding a real RT whether early in the draft (2nd or 3rd round) or through free agency (Jordan Gross anyone?). I'd also like to see Niswanger move to Right Guard sooner rather than later, though I don't think this will happen until after the 2008 season.

The starters right now are actually very good depth. But they can't be our primary starters. Hopefully Gailey will have the influence to demand that the team shore up their o-line.

Direckshun
12-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Saying he will start next season is a huge assumption.

Bookmarked.