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FringeNC
12-02-2008, 07:26 PM
...sorta makes a mockery of polls...

CrazyPhuD
12-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Willing to bet that OU would be a significant underdog to TX. Afterall vegas has to make money not suck off school chancellors.

Der Flöprer
12-02-2008, 08:34 PM
Florida is the people's champion.

Ultra Peanut
12-03-2008, 06:21 PM
Know what really makes a mockery of polls?

The polls (http://newsok.com/article/3326682).

True story from the Boone Pickens Stadium pressbox Saturday night.

I asked Harris poll voter Pat Quinn, the former Oklahoma State University sports information director, how he would vote OU and Texas if the Sooners won Saturday night.

“Oh, I don’t know,” Quinn said. “Doesn’t really matter.”

Really?

“I think Alabama and Penn State will probably play for the national championship,” Quinn said.

You do?

“They’re the only undefeated teams, aren’t they,” Quinn said.

Uh, actually, Penn State has a loss.

“Oh well,” Quinn said, “those Big Ten teams have a lot of votes.”

Guru
12-03-2008, 06:34 PM
They did that to MU last year as well and they turned out to be right. You are correct though, in that it proves the polls worthless.

MahiMike
12-03-2008, 06:46 PM
Gators will win by 3 TDs...if Percy Harvin plays...if not, then 10 points seems about right.

Buck
12-03-2008, 06:54 PM
If you do not think that Saban will have his troops ready, you are Crazy.

Remember the Georgia game.

Saul Good
12-03-2008, 06:59 PM
...sorta makes a mockery of polls...
It doesn't at all. The intent of crowning a champion is to name the team with the best body of work, not to name who would win on a given night.

Year in and year out, USC is the team most likely to beat any other team on a given day, but they don't take care of business against the lesser teams, so they have only won 1 championship in the BCS era.

chiefs1111
12-03-2008, 07:03 PM
Gators will win by 3 TDs...if Percy Harvin plays...if not, then 10 points seems about right.

Being a Gator fan I hope your right,but im nervous about this game

LiL stumppy
12-03-2008, 09:19 PM
Willing to bet that OU would be a significant underdog to TX. Afterall vegas has to make money not suck off school chancellors.

Na, how close the first game was, and how we have played the past two games against ranked opponents. Wont be a big underdog at all.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 09:35 PM
It doesn't at all. The intent of crowning a champion is to name the team with the best body of work, not to name who would win on a given night.

Year in and year out, USC is the team most likely to beat any other team on a given day, but they don't take care of business against the lesser teams, so they have only won 1 championship in the BCS era.

If we had a playoff system USC would be serious favorites nearly every year..then people would bitch about that.

chiefscafan
12-03-2008, 09:50 PM
as a crimson tide fan this double point underdogs is a joke. Bama will be ready you all will see.

DaKCMan AP
12-03-2008, 09:51 PM
as a crimson tide fan this double point underdogs is a joke. Bama will be ready you all will see.

m'kay.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 09:54 PM
m'kay.

He's Joe Scarborough I saw him this morning saying that Alabama would easily beat Florida....

Then he said Alabama had the best defense in college football and I rolled my eyes.

DaKCMan AP
12-03-2008, 09:55 PM
He's Joe Scarborough I saw him this morning saying that Alabama would easily beat Florida....

Then he said Alabama had the best defense in college football and I rolled my eyes.

Eh... he's a douche and an Alabama grad. Although he got his JD at Florida.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 09:56 PM
Eh... he's a douche and an Alabama grad. Although he got his JD at Florida.

He seems to think Alabama will win cause they're "bigger" and he went on and on about the lines.

DaKCMan AP
12-03-2008, 09:57 PM
He seems to think Alabama will win cause they're "bigger" and he went on and on about the lines.

Yeah, Florida is extremely undersized as a team. ;)

Mecca
12-03-2008, 09:58 PM
I'd rather be the faster team than the bigger team....speed will kill a big team just run them right off the field.

tk13
12-03-2008, 09:58 PM
Florida is going to be tough, but I can't imagine any way on earth Saban won't have that team ready for war. That team has the ability to dominate in the trenches and you can neutralize a team full of skill players that way. Will they actually be able to do that, we'll see. But there's no way on earth any football fan is going to pick a gritty physical team over a razzle dazzle one.

DaKCMan AP
12-03-2008, 10:03 PM
Florida is going to be tough, but I can't imagine any way on earth Saban won't have that team ready for war. That team has the ability to dominate in the trenches and you can neutralize a team full of skill players that way. Will they actually be able to do that, we'll see. But there's no way on earth any football fan is going to pick a gritty physical team over a razzle dazzle one.

War?

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/65df7bcd-9ebf-4e84-b7b3-122aee868388.jpg

DaKCMan AP
12-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Florida is going to be tough, but I can't imagine any way on earth Saban won't have that team ready for war. That team has the ability to dominate in the trenches and you can neutralize a team full of skill players that way. Will they actually be able to do that, we'll see. But there's no way on earth any football fan is going to pick a gritty physical team over a razzle dazzle one.

If you want to label 'bama as gritty & physical and Florida as razzle dazzle - fine. But the reality is that Florida leads the SEC in rushing yards, rush ypc and rushing TDs. They're 3rd in the SEC in rush defense.

LiL stumppy
12-03-2008, 11:03 PM
If we had a playoff system USC would be serious favorites nearly every year..then people would bitch about that.

Who cares if people bitch, it's a playoff system, it would due what it was made to do. Does everyone bitch because NYG are one of the favorites to win it again this year in the NFL?Nope.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 11:04 PM
It cares if people bitch, it's a playoff system, it would due what it was made to do. Does everyone bitch because NYG are one of the favorites to win it again this year in the NFL?Nope.

They will if they are for several years like everyone hated the Cowboys....when big market teams are good for prolonged periods people tend to get upset.

LiL stumppy
12-03-2008, 11:06 PM
They will if they are for several years like everyone hated the Cowboys....when big market teams are good for prolonged periods people tend to get upset.

There are 2-3 Big 12 teams alone that can compete with USC year in and year out. USC becoming a "dynasty" would never happen.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 11:08 PM
There are 2-3 Big 12 teams alone that can compete with USC year in and year out. USC becoming a "dynasty" would never happen.

We'll see but we're talking about a team that is 85-15 over it's last 100 games. If you matched up OU with USC right now I don't think OU wins...where are 3.....OU and Texas sure but a 3rd I don't see that.

LiL stumppy
12-03-2008, 11:11 PM
We'll see but we're talking about a team that is 85-15 over it's last 100 games. If you matched up OU with USC right now I don't think OU wins...where are 3.....OU and Texas sure but a 3rd I don't see that.

If the game is not of any magnitude OU would deff. be a competitor, especially if played in Norman. Texas would be a contender, and maybe OKST in a few years.

OU will get over their Bowl/N.Champ. hump this year.

Mecca
12-03-2008, 11:22 PM
If the game is not of any magnitude OU would deff. be a competitor, especially if played in Norman. Texas would be a contender, and maybe OKST in a few years.

OU will get over their Bowl/N.Champ. hump this year.

USC stole OU's swagger...haven't won a bowl game since the national championship beatdown.

DaKCMan AP
12-04-2008, 12:17 AM
If the game is not of any magnitude OU would deff. be a competitor, especially if played in Norman. Texas would be a contender, and maybe OKST in a few years.

OU will get over their Bowl/N.Champ. hump this year.

/homer

ChiefsCountry
12-04-2008, 12:23 AM
There are 2-3 Big 12 teams alone that can compete with USC year in and year out. USC becoming a "dynasty" would never happen.

:LOL:

Simply Red
12-04-2008, 12:31 AM
I'm guessing (though one can never be certain), Gators will murder the Tide.

okcchief
12-04-2008, 12:38 AM
I think Texas deserves the Big 12 because they beat OU straight up and you really can't include TT in the discussion since they beat Texas on their home field. Not to mention it was an incredible play with seconds left.

I do, however, think OU is a better team than Texas right now. IF they played again I think OU would beat them by 2 touchdowns.

Just because OU hasn't had success lately, I'm not sold they will get owned again in the Nat. title game. I think it could happen. I'm not sure if the Big 12 is full of shitty defenses or great offense. In turn, I'm not sure if the SEC is full of shitty offenses or Florida and Bama are great defenses. We will find out one way or the other though. Or they may all have solid teams.Georgia and LSU definately weren't as advertised but they are every bit as good as OSU and Tech if not better.

Texas and OU are on the same level as USC but Tech and OSU will NEVER be at that level. They both had favorable schedules and lost most of their difficult games. Tech will fall off the face of the earth next year and OSU will the year after. OSU has occasional years like this but they will never compete for a conference championship and national title consistantly. Saying OSU could some day be the level of USC is way fucking out there IMO.

KCwolf
12-04-2008, 12:43 AM
:LOL:

I don't get what's so funny......U think the Pac-10 is a stronger conference than the Big 12? And not just this year.....let's say the next 5 year's....because I ASSURE U there are few teams worse than the Washington Huskies and Washington State Cougars and it could be some time before those programs get fixed. I think USC is a very good football team in an above average conference. Oregon State? AGAIN? I Give Props to Carroll & Co. & they will roll UCLA and more than likely beat the hell out of Penn State..... --- but the Pac 10 is not the Big 12.....at least not this year.
just my opinion.

DaKCMan AP
12-04-2008, 12:47 AM
I don't get what's so funny......U think the Pac-10 is a stronger conference than the Big 12? And not just this year.....let's say the next 5 year's....because I ASSURE U there are few teams worse than the Washington Huskies and Washington State Cougars and it could be some time before those programs get fixed. I think USC is a very good football team in an above average conference. Oregon State? AGAIN? I Give Props to Carroll & Co. & they will roll UCLA and more than likely beat the hell out of Penn State..... --- but the Pac 10 is not the Big 12.....at least not this year.
just my opinion.

No one is arguing that the Pac 10 = Big 12. However, it's looney to think that anyone in the Big 12 outside of OU or Texas is on the level of USC year in and year out.

Mecca
12-04-2008, 12:53 AM
If you put USC in the Big 12 they would steam roll the conference save 2 teams and who knows they might do it to them to considering the big game record of Pete Carroll.

Stryker
12-04-2008, 06:49 AM
I think Florida is going to win this with ease but, as long as the BCS trophy goes to an SEC team I really do not care! :D

beach tribe
12-04-2008, 07:10 AM
If we had a playoff system USC would be serious favorites nearly every year..then people would bitch about that.

I wouldn't. This system is a disgrace to sports. Human opinion, nor a computer analysis should determine whether a team plays for championship.
USC should get a sot this year to play for the title. As should TT, and others. The fact that TT beat Texas, Texas beat OU, and OU beat TT says it all. It should be determined in a playoff. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It's ridiculous, and I will never take college football seriously until a change is made.

Chiefnj2
12-04-2008, 09:49 AM
USC should just play the winner of the Florida/Alabama game and that would decide the #1 team in the country.

Brock
12-04-2008, 09:51 AM
I'd like to see USC/Florida. I think the Gators would "push their shit in" as Mecca puts it.

SNR
12-04-2008, 09:51 AM
Florida's probably better, but ten points? That's just stupid.

Alabama's the best-coached team in the NCAA, even though they're not necessarily the most talented. Either team has a good chance to win, which means a ten point spread is complete bullshit.

58-4ever
12-04-2008, 10:02 AM
/homer

Surely you jest. ROFL

58-4ever
12-04-2008, 10:04 AM
I think Texas deserves the Big 12 because they beat OU straight up and you really can't include TT in the discussion since they beat Texas on their home field. Not to mention it was an incredible play with seconds left.

I do, however, think OU is a better team than Texas right now. IF they played again I think OU would beat them by 2 touchdowns.

Just because OU hasn't had success lately, I'm not sold they will get owned again in the Nat. title game. I think it could happen. I'm not sure if the Big 12 is full of shitty defenses or great offense. In turn, I'm not sure if the SEC is full of shitty offenses or Florida and Bama are great defenses. We will find out one way or the other though. Or they may all have solid teams.Georgia and LSU definately weren't as advertised but they are every bit as good as OSU and Tech if not better.

Texas and OU are on the same level as USC but Tech and OSU will NEVER be at that level. They both had favorable schedules and lost most of their difficult games. Tech will fall off the face of the earth next year and OSU will the year after. OSU has occasional years like this but they will never compete for a conference championship and national title consistantly. Saying OSU could some day be the level of USC is way ****ing out there IMO.

OSU and Tech would both beat Georgia and LSU by two touchdowns.

58-4ever
12-04-2008, 10:06 AM
USC should just play the winner of the Florida/Alabama game and that would decide the #1 team in the country.

Oh, it's decided now. :rolleyes:

DaKCMan AP
12-04-2008, 10:12 AM
OSU and Tech would both beat Georgia and LSU by two touchdowns.

Surely you jest. ROFL

DaKCMan AP
12-04-2008, 10:30 AM
Tebow's emotional vow could go down in sports lore

"It will be remembered as one of the great statements by a college player in a long, long time. I don't want to overstate the case but I'm thinking George Gipp and Knute Rockne."

• Verne Lundquist, voice of college football on CBS

Go ahead and overstate, Verne. Considering the subject, it might not be hyperbole.

We're talking Tim Tebow. They don't call him Superman for nothing. For half of you, those last few sentences just induced the gag reflex. The other half is inspired by the quarterback -- and comic books.

Let's move on ...

Florida's season was basically defined on September 27 when Ole Miss beat Florida at The Swamp, 31-30. The Year of the Upset in 2007 looked like it just discovered a long-lost sibling. Some will say Florida beat itself that day with a missed extra-point and an uninspired effort but that's not why we're here.

It is because Señor Superman retired to the locker room after the loss, meditated on it for a while, and came out firing.

"To the fans and everybody of Gator Nation, I'm sorry. Extremely sorry," Tebow said, fighting back tears. "We wanted an undefeated season. That was my goal, something Florida has never done here. I promise you one thing, a lot of good will come out of this.

"You will never see any player in the entire country play as hard as I will play the rest of the season. You will never see another player push his team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of the season. You will never see a team play harder than we will the rest of the season.

"God bless."

Without saying it, Tebow said it. Called his shot. Pointed his bat toward the Wrigley Field bleachers and swung from the heels. It was his George Gipp moment.

You know what happened next. Actually, it took nine weeks but Tebow made good on his "promise". Here are the Gators in the SEC Championship Game for the second time in three years. They've been so destructive since Tebow's rant that Alabama -- No. 1 Alabama -- is a 10-point underdog.

How many players would 1) stand up in front of the media and say something as hokey as that and 2) deliver on it?

"You probably wouldn't find too many players," said Alabama's Rashad Johnson.

The unspoken subtext to Tebow's comments was that Florida was going to win the rest of its games. Tebow didn't say it then and won't admit to it now but there was a guarantee buried in there somewhere.

You will never see a team play harder than we will the rest of the season.

Win one for the Timmer?

"If Florida goes on and beats Alabama and gets into the BCS title game and wins the title game, this thing will take on a life of its own," Lundquist said. "It will be remembered as one of the great statements by a college player in a long, long time."

This much is certain: This is the biggest SEC title game ever. It is as close to a national semifinal as you can get. The winner goes to South Florida -- the loser gets the Sugar Bowl as a consolation. It is one of the biggest games overall in SEC history. Go no further than this amazing stat: This is the first game in AP poll history between SEC teams ranked No. 1 and No. 2.

At stake: The SEC title, a national championship, the legacies of a couple rock star coaches. A second consecutive Heisman for No. 15.

But that's not what any of this is about for Tebow. It's about a well-reasoned "guarantee". In a sport where personalities are sometimes smothered, Tebow spoke out. Yeah, some of you snickered but you had to admit it was different and interesting.

Spike the ball in the end zone? Flag. Step a few feet off the sideline? Five yards. Conform, conform, conform. The coaches don't help. Their players can go to war, get married and vote, but they aren't allowed to speak in public -- at least not with any regularity.

Before the biggest game of his career last month against Oklahoma, Texas Tech's Graham Harrell wasn't allowed to speak to the media for 12 days. After the 44-point loss, he didn't face the media. If that had been Tebow, he would have been texting, shouting, anything to express himself. It's called youthful exuberance -- it's also called accountability.

Florida has never shackled Tebow. How could it? He signs autographs after practice, is called up on stage by country singers, been on the cover of Men's Fitness. The kid isn't a doctor but he played one in the Philippines.

That's why Florida changed that day nine weeks ago. When Captain America speaks, people listen. Tebow might be the only college player alive who could say what he did on Sept. 27 -- and then pull it off.

"I didn't want to make any rash statements just out of emotion," he said. "I really thought about it in my locker. I really tried to say heartfelt things, didn't try to make any statements like, 'We're going to win the rest of our games.'"

Except that's exactly what he said. In a way.

Look at the numbers. Since that day, no team has been closer than 28 points to the Gators. Meanwhile, Tebow revived that serious talk about another Heisman. West of Gainesville, the country is infatuated with Big 12 quarterbacks. At Florida, the numbers are down but the leadership is up.

"He plays the perfect position to do that," Johnson said. "You can tell the team thrives off him."

The Gators developed a more socialist personality. They have a legitimate running game now, with Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey. Percy Harvin just keeps getting more dangerous. Meanwhile, the quarterback has the worst rushing average of his career (3.7 yards).

From complementary secret weapon in '06 to Heisman winner in '07 to -- facilitator in '08?

"Overall, I thought I had a better year as a quarterback managing the offense," said Tebow. And, no, he didn't forget those 55 touchdowns he was a part of last season.

Managing. Maybe that's the best way to assess this Florida season. Tebow is less of a star this season and more of a spokesman.

"That was my No. 1 focus, getting us to the SEC championship," he said. "Being here, it means a lot. I'm satisfied now that we've gotten to this point."

Satisfied, not finished.

http://www.sportsline.com/print/collegefootball/story/11152124

58-4ever
12-04-2008, 10:33 AM
Tebow is as fake as his girlfriend's tits.

Mecca
12-04-2008, 02:31 PM
I'd like to see USC/Florida. I think the Gators would "push their shit in" as Mecca puts it.

That's the only good matchup out there.......Floridas offense versus the SC defense...

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 02:40 PM
I think Texas deserves the Big 12 because they beat OU straight up and you really can't include TT in the discussion since they beat Texas on their home field. Not to mention it was an incredible play with seconds left.



That's just the point. You can't just discount TT, it was a three way tie. OU wins the tie breaker. They deserve to go as much as Texas or TT. And playing the "IF" game regarding the great catch by TT, let's play the "IF" game the other way.... what if OU's starting MLB isn't lost for the season in that game... many think that was the deciding factor in what had been a fantastic game to that point with OU's defense giving Texas all they could handle.

DaKCMan AP
12-04-2008, 02:42 PM
That's just the point. You can't just discount TT, it was a three way tie. OU wins the tie breaker. They deserve to go as much as Texas or TT. And playing the "IF" game regarding the great catch by TT, let's play the "IF" game the other way.... what if OU's starting MLB isn't lost for the season in that game... many think that was the deciding factor in what had been a fantastic game to that point with OU's defense giving Texas all they could handle.

An interesting observation is that in the other BCS conferences that have championship games (SEC & ACC), Texas would have won the tiebreaker.

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 02:47 PM
I have heard that as well. Another one I heard was that one tie-breaker scenario discussed was points for and against with common opponents only.... OU wins that one as well... whether it is right or wrong, it went to the FIFTH tie breaker before it was decided... under the big 12 agreement on tie breakers..... the Sooners are playing in the championship game. GO SOONERS

Mecca
12-04-2008, 02:49 PM
I have heard that as well. Another one I heard was that one tie-breaker scenario discussed was points for and against with common opponents only.... OU wins that one as well... whether it is right or wrong, it went to the FIFTH tie breaker before it was decided... under the big 12 agreement on tie breakers..... the Sooners are playing in the championship game. GO SOONERS

I wish you luck in watching your team get abused in yet another bowl.

ClevelandBronco
12-04-2008, 02:57 PM
Can anyone here name two of Saban's college teammates?

LiL stumppy
12-04-2008, 03:09 PM
If you put USC in the Big 12 they would steam roll the conference save 2 teams and who knows they might do it to them to considering the big game record of Pete Carroll.

ROFL, your more ignorant than I first though. I don't know why you think USC is the God of college football. They are good, and have been every year, but on any givin Saturday, OU or Texas could beat them.

USC has a hard time getting past Oregon St.

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 03:10 PM
I wish you luck in watching your team get abused in yet another bowl.

Yeah, especially with that noodle-armed, no talent, toss-it-up-and-hope-your-guy-catches-it quarterback they have, eh?

LiL stumppy
12-04-2008, 03:10 PM
I wish you luck in watching your team get abused in yet another bowl.

Sorry, we have scored 100 + points in the last two weeks against ranked teams, not going to happen.

LiL stumppy
12-04-2008, 03:17 PM
Lets take a quick look at the rankings two conferences of USC and OU

Pac 10 has two ranked teams, USC at 5 and Oregon at 19. Big 12 south has 4 ranked teams, ou and 2nd, texas at 3rd, TT at 8 and Okla ST and 14 I believe.

saying USC would steam roll through the Big 12 is absurd. The pac 10 is a joke, which is why you guys do so well.

vailpass
12-04-2008, 03:20 PM
ROFL, your more ignorant than I first though. I don't know why you think USC is the God of college football. They are good, and have been every year, but on any givin Saturday, OU or Texas could beat them.

USC has a hard time getting past Oregon St.

What some people don't understand is that when you play in a real conference i.e. SEC or Big 12 South your team takes a tremendous beating week in and week out. Injuries and fatigue are a factor that a team like USC doesn't face nearly as much in the Wac 10 as they would in a complete conference where even the worst team lays the wood on you.

Mecca
12-04-2008, 03:23 PM
You all are aware that SC comes to play much more against good teams, the fault with them is they sometimes don't show up against bad competition....playing good teams wouldn't scare me in the slightest.

There's a reason USC has lost 1 BCS bowl game and won all their others while OU hasn't won one in 6 years...

Brock
12-04-2008, 03:33 PM
SC kind of plays in a puss conference.

LiL stumppy
12-04-2008, 03:36 PM
scoring 61 points against the #2 ranked team and the #12 ranked team some hows shows OU doesn't play good competition?

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 03:49 PM
If OU wins the Big 12, then goes to the BCS Championship game, they will have been in the title game 4 times in 9 years. USC has been there twice. Sure looks like SC "shows up" more for the big games than OU does. mmm. hmm.

Mecca
12-04-2008, 04:03 PM
If OU wins the Big 12, then goes to the BCS Championship game, they will have been in the title game 4 times in 9 years. USC has been there twice. Sure looks like SC "shows up" more for the big games than OU does. mmm. hmm.

What's your bowl record....

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 04:05 PM
What's your point?

Mecca
12-04-2008, 04:07 PM
What's your point?

The point is lets not brag about going to title games and getting your ass whipped in them...

Or hell getting knocked around by West Virginia or losing to Boise.

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 04:14 PM
So we lose this one.... that makes the walk-on-water Trojans superior? I just don't understand your constant bashing of OU and Sam Bradford. Is it that hard for you to accept that they have talent? Being in a position to win a title game 4 out of 9 years is something to shrug off because they don't "win them all"?

Mecca
12-04-2008, 04:16 PM
So we lose this one.... that makes the walk-on-water Trojans superior? I just don't understand your constant bashing of OU and Sam Bradford. Is it that hard for you to accept that they have talent? Being in a position to win a title game 4 out of 9 years is something to shrug off because they don't "win them all"?

Don't win them all...I would give anyone a bit of shit when their program hasn't won a bowl game since 2002.

OU has talent which is why I will actually give you shit about it, they have no excuse to have that kind of bowl stretch. And I don't think Bradford projects well to the NFL so I say that big deal.

chiefs1okie
12-04-2008, 04:19 PM
Don't win them all...I would give anyone a bit of shit when their program hasn't won a bowl game since 2002.

OU has talent which is why I will actually give you shit about it, they have no excuse to have that kind of bowl stretch. And I don't think Bradford projects well to the NFL so I say that big deal.

In that case I will say the same thing you did earlier. The biggest knock on them is that they don't show up against lesser opponents, especially when that opponent is hungrier, ie: WV, Boise St.