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Tribal Warfare
12-05-2008, 12:05 AM
Weekly meetings help Thigpen, Gonzalez get on same page (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/923047.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star



The meetings started five weeks ago with three men in a room. Now, more than twice that number pile in and talk about rhythm and timing and the things that make an offense work.

It was Tony Gonzalez’s idea. He approached quarterback Tyler Thigpen and told him they needed to watch film together. It wasn’t optional. They’d sit in the tight-ends meeting room and watch practice film, not game film, and go over every agonizing detail.

“I think it’s paying off,” Gonzalez said. “I know it is.”

Gonzalez said after the Chiefs’ 20-13 win against Oakland last Sunday that he and Thigpen have established a relationship he didn’t expect when the meetings started a little more than a month ago. He said they’ve learned each other’s tendencies, and each man now trusts the other.

That relationship has translated into the Chiefs’ most dangerous offensive weapon: Thigpen to Gonzalez, a connection made eight times Sunday for 110 yards. That was a week after Gonzalez had 10 catches for 113 yards.

Gonzalez said Sunday that the meetings started in the room at the Chiefs’ practice facility.

It was Gonzalez and Thigpen and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe, the three of them poring over endless footage. Now, others have noticed and started attending the Friday afternoon meetings. Gonzalez said receiver Mark Bradley is a regular now, and so is rookie tight end Brad Cottam. Backup quarterback Quinn Gray started coming a couple of weeks ago, and last Friday, receiver Devard Darling showed up.

“It’s growing,” Gonzalez said. “We’re all getting on the same page. We’re just reading each other.”

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards said this week that similar chemistry hasn’t existed in recent years because the team hasn’t had consistency at quarterback. The Chiefs have used four quarterbacks in Edwards’ three seasons, changing the team’s starter a staggering 11 times in 45 games because of injuries and Trent Green’s departure.

Thigpen has started the last six games, and that’s a rare thing in Kansas City. Gonzalez took advantage.

“Tony has taken the guy under his wing,” Edwards said. “Tony, being the veteran that he is, any time he thinks he can help a quarterback, he’s going to do that.”

Gonzalez said after Thigpen’s second start, five weeks ago, that there were timing issues between them. Gonzalez didn’t know Thigpen, and Thigpen didn’t know Gonzalez. They’d work on that, Gonzalez said. That’s when the tight end put his arm around the youngster’s shoulder and guided him toward the film room. Friday afternoon, Gonzalez said, don’t make other plans.

They watched practice footage from Wednesday and Thursday, and both men began learning the other’s habits. The meetings last about 30 minutes. Gonzalez is, by nature, more talkative than Thigpen, but the tight end decided a long time ago he wouldn’t be doing most of the talking.

“He’s the quarterback; he’s got to be the leader,” Gonzalez said. “I want it that way.”

They watch each other’s movements and explain what they were thinking during plays. Gonzalez runs a receiver option sometimes, and he can cut toward the middle of the field or toward the sideline, depending on how the defender is playing him. It’s a play that usually takes an experienced and patient quarterback, and Thigpen didn’t pass his early tests. Then they sat down together, and things started changing.

“There were a couple of times (recently) that I thought I was screwing him,” Gonzalez said, “and he read it perfectly and just threw it. It’s really him just reading me.”

Others started to notice the connection and began showing up: Friday in the tight-ends room, a regular event now among the passers and receivers.

Edwards said he’d like Thigpen eventually to trust those other receivers as he does Gonzalez. The coach understands Thigpen’s faith in his tight end, a future Hall of Famer, but Edwards has been around long enough to know that trying Gonzalez too frequently will become predictable for defenses, and teams will be able to snuff it out.

Edwards would like Thigpen to try Bowe more often. Or Darling. Or Cottam. They all know each other now; Edwards said it’s time they act like it.

Gonzalez, the man who started the meetings five weeks ago, said he senses more improvement to come — as long as they all keep showing up on Fridays.

“As far as it’s come,” he said, “we can go a lot further.”

dorseybowe
12-05-2008, 12:40 AM
In the future, choose your words more carefully, Tony.

Short Leash Hootie
12-05-2008, 12:54 AM
In the future, choose your words more carefully, Tony.

:spock:

dorseybowe
12-05-2008, 01:00 AM
“There were a couple of times (recently) that I thought I was screwing him,” Gonzalez said...

SNR
12-05-2008, 01:19 AM
Rarely do you see a player request a trade and DAYS later do this kind of individual work on a young, inexperienced and quite simply bad team. And this guy is an all-pro who hasn't won jack shit and still willing to put together this kind of effort.

Gonzalez is the greatest Chief of all time. Period.

Fruit Ninja
12-05-2008, 02:00 AM
Gonzalez is the greatest Chief of all time. Period.

really hard to argue that.

Reerun_KC
12-05-2008, 02:01 AM
“There were a couple of times (recently) that I thought I was screwing him,” Gonzalez said...


:eek:

I guess this is showing the young guys the ropes from the wiley vet?

stumppy
12-05-2008, 02:32 AM
So, basically Gonzalez has had to step up and do Herm's job for him. It seems to me a head coach should have already had something set up where the new inexperienced QB spends time, other than daily pactice and film, with his recievers getting to know them and how they play the game.


Way to go TG for taking the initiative. Too bad you have to waist your talent playing under a fugging idiot of a coach.

the Talking Can
12-05-2008, 04:20 AM
thigpen better offer tony cash to come back next year

beach tribe
12-05-2008, 05:36 AM
Hail Tony G.

One of the greatest football players to ever live. I'm really grateful for him to have been a Chief as long as he has. I hope he sticks around, but won't be bitter if he leaves. I will pull for any team that he lands on so that he gets the success, and recognition he deserves.

mikey23545
12-05-2008, 05:58 AM
THIS is why I would like to see Tony finish his career with the Chiefs.

Red Beans
12-05-2008, 06:21 AM
THIS is why I would like to see Tony finish his career with the Chiefs.

As much as I'd love to see him get a ring. I couldn't agree more with this statement.

smittysbar
12-05-2008, 07:05 AM
Was a little disappointed that Franklin wasn't a name on that list of guys showing up.

TG is the man

CoMoChief
12-05-2008, 07:41 AM
Darling sucks. He shouldnt be on the field.

RINGLEADER
12-05-2008, 07:46 AM
So, basically Gonzalez has had to step up and do Herm's job for him. It seems to me a head coach should have already had something set up where the new inexperienced QB spends time, other than daily pactice and film, with his recievers getting to know them and how they play the game.

Way to go TG for taking the initiative. Too bad you have to waist your talent playing under a fugging idiot of a coach.


This kind of summed up my feelings on the story.

Hog Farmer
12-05-2008, 08:02 AM
Rarely do you see a player request a trade and DAYS later do this kind of individual work on a young, inexperienced and quite simply bad team. And this guy is an all-pro who hasn't won jack shit and still willing to put together this kind of effort.

Gonzalez is the greatest Chief of all time. Period.


What about Terdell Sands ?

Kerberos
12-05-2008, 08:12 AM
Darling sucks. He shouldnt be on the field.

Here comes Claythan, Darth CarlSatan or whatever alias GoChiefs is using to let you know WHY Darling doesn't suck.

I agree that if the sack of crap was any good Baltimore would have kept him.

smittysbar
12-05-2008, 09:14 AM
Here comes Claythan, Darth CarlSatan or whatever alias GoChiefs is using to let you know WHY Darling doesn't suck.

I agree that if the sack of crap was any good Baltimore would have kept him.

Clathan is not Darth, as far as I know

MVChiefFan
12-05-2008, 09:22 AM
I don't care, I'll say it, I'm selfish and I don't want Tony going anywhere EVER. It may not be a popular opinion but I couldn't care less if he wins a Super Bowl with another team.

DaWolf
12-05-2008, 09:22 AM
So, basically Gonzalez has had to step up and do Herm's job for him. It seems to me a head coach should have already had something set up where the new inexperienced QB spends time, other than daily pactice and film, with his recievers getting to know them and how they play the game.


Way to go TG for taking the initiative. Too bad you have to waist your talent playing under a fugging idiot of a coach.

To be fair, on most teams these sort of things are voluntary and player initiated. The team/coaches expect you to spend time at mandatory study sessions. Most guys, if they want to be great players, have to take it upon themselves to put forth that extra effort. A coach can tell you to spend more time in the film room, but only the players can take it upon themselves to spend quality time together to improve as teammates.

Think if you were working on a project and your boss tells you to go spend your free time with your PM, you probably aren't going to be too excited about that. But if you decide as a project team to spend time together, that works better.

This is another reason why it pays to keep a HOF tight end on your team instead of dumping him for anything less than a first rounder, he demands excellence from his teammates and is willing to work with them to get it.

OnTheWarpath58
12-05-2008, 09:49 AM
To be fair, on most teams these sort of things are voluntary and player initiated. The team/coaches expect you to spend time at mandatory study sessions. Most guys, if they want to be great players, have to take it upon themselves to put forth that extra effort. A coach can tell you to spend more time in the film room, but only the players can take it upon themselves to spend quality time together to improve as teammates.

Think if you were working on a project and your boss tells you to go spend your free time with your PM, you probably aren't going to be too excited about that. But if you decide as a project team to spend time together, that works better.

This is another reason why it pays to keep a HOF tight end on your team instead of dumping him for anything less than a first rounder, he demands excellence from his teammates and is willing to work with them to get it.

Exactly.

Great post.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2008, 10:39 AM
So, basically Gonzalez has had to step up and do Herm's job for him. It seems to me a head coach should have already had something set up where the new inexperienced QB spends time, other than daily pactice and film, with his recievers getting to know them and how they play the game.


Way to go TG for taking the initiative. Too bad you have to waist your talent playing under a fugging idiot of a coach.

don't forget doing dick curl's job as well

Rausch
12-05-2008, 10:43 AM
Rarely do you see a player request a trade and DAYS later do this kind of individual work on a young, inexperienced and quite simply bad team. And this guy is an all-pro who hasn't won jack shit and still willing to put together this kind of effort.

Gonzalez is the greatest Chief of all time. Period.

Smart, class, work ethic, talent, durability. The complete package.

Best TE EH-VAR!...:)

Mr. Laz
12-05-2008, 10:46 AM
To be fair, on most teams these sort of things are voluntary and player initiated. The team/coaches expect you to spend time at mandatory study sessions. Most guys, if they want to be great players, have to take it upon themselves to put forth that extra effort. A coach can tell you to spend more time in the film room, but only the players can take it upon themselves to spend quality time together to improve as teammates.

Think if you were working on a project and your boss tells you to go spend your free time with your PM, you probably aren't going to be too excited about that. But if you decide as a project team to spend time together, that works better.

This is another reason why it pays to keep a HOF tight end on your team instead of dumping him for anything less than a first rounder, he demands excellence from his teammates and is willing to work with them to get it.
yes .... but they fact that they haven't done so before says alot about the environment that our coaches DIDN'T create.

Kerberos
12-05-2008, 11:09 AM
Clathan is not Darth, as far as I know


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=197822

I don't know either but he was being called out yesterday and he didn't deny it. He avoided it totally in perfect GoChiefs-esk fashion.

:shrug:

PunkinDrublic
12-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Tony truly is Jesus in football cleats to me. Part of me thinks that if this Plexiglass Burruss incident happened around the trade deadline the Giants would have pulled the trigger on the trade. Pun intended cause I'm an asshole.

Sure-Oz
12-05-2008, 11:28 AM
Weekly meetings:

Tony: Throw me the ball on every passing play
Tyler: Sounds good!

CoMoChief
12-05-2008, 11:35 AM
Weekly meetings:

Tony: Throw me the ball on every passing play
Tyler: Sounds good!

The past couple games thats whay it seems like.

I do agree he has to get more confidence in throwing to other WR's

Not to mention the fact that Tony G may not be here next season. And throwing to Cottam is a lot more different than throwing to TonyG I would assume

talastan
12-05-2008, 11:40 AM
Weekly meetings:

Tony: Throw me the ball on every passing play
Tyler: Okay, but shouldn't we throw to our other recievers to make sure the other team doens't just key in on you?
Tony: Hey kid, are you going the HOF? No, then do what I said.
Tyler: Sounds good!
Tony: By the way have I mentioned to you the benefits of the vegan lifestyle?
Tyler: Er...no...?!

FYP

stumppy
12-05-2008, 12:24 PM
To be fair, on most teams these sort of things are voluntary and player initiated. The team/coaches expect you to spend time at mandatory study sessions. Most guys, if they want to be great players, have to take it upon themselves to put forth that extra effort. A coach can tell you to spend more time in the film room, but only the players can take it upon themselves to spend quality time together to improve as teammates.

Think if you were working on a project and your boss tells you to go spend your free time with your PM, you probably aren't going to be too excited about that. But if you decide as a project team to spend time together, that works better.

This is another reason why it pays to keep a HOF tight end on your team instead of dumping him for anything less than a first rounder, he demands excellence from his teammates and is willing to work with them to get it.


I agree with you to an extent but we're not talking about guys who signed up for a 9 to 5 40 hour work week. You'd think the people running a multi million dollar business would provide a structured work enviroment that helped their employees be as productive as possible.

IMO this is just more proof that Herm has no business coaching a pro football team.