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jeffery
12-07-2008, 02:28 PM
WOW.....Leggit just jumped that route so perfectly.....no longer will i have to hear about champ and dre as the best tandem, but Carr, Flowers, and leggetmay be best 3some ive ever seen

jeffery
12-07-2008, 02:28 PM
well for the youth they are good

Mr. Flopnuts
12-07-2008, 02:29 PM
Let's not over react, but so far we have a damn good nucleus.

jeffery
12-07-2008, 02:30 PM
thats all i mean just good to have something to build around...all i remember 3 yrs ago or so is "we need ty law" to win a super bowl...and i was on the wagonas much as the next guy but we have 3 rooks who are not just getting by but playing really really good right now

Mr. Flopnuts
12-07-2008, 02:50 PM
thats all i mean just good to have something to build around...all i remember 3 yrs ago or so is "we need ty law" to win a super bowl...and i was on the wagonas much as the next guy but we have 3 rooks who are not just getting by but playing really really good right now

I agree. It's really kind of odd considering this team's struggle at the position for so long.

blueballs
12-07-2008, 03:07 PM
Herm lovers

Delano
12-07-2008, 03:07 PM
If we win two more games, we fall into Taylor Mays draft area.

If you add him, this secondary is scary.

Mr. Flopnuts
12-07-2008, 03:08 PM
If we win two more games, we fall into Taylor Mays draft area.

If you add him, this secondary is scary.

Listen, I've watched Taylor play ball since he was in high school. If he ends up a Chief, this board is going to be very happy with him. He has been a freak of nature since he was 14.

chiefzilla1501
12-07-2008, 03:16 PM
WOW.....Leggit just jumped that route so perfectly.....no longer will i have to hear about champ and dre as the best tandem, but Carr, Flowers, and leggetmay be best 3some ive ever seen

Our corners are forcing turnovers even though we're putting no pressure on a QB.

Pressured QBs are the ones who usually make stupid mistakes or end up misfiring a throw while he's either hit or on the run. I can't even imagine how good these kids are going to be when we actually have a pass rush taht scares anybody.

Mr. Laz
12-07-2008, 03:42 PM
quite a few people around here owe Leggett an apology

milkman
12-07-2008, 03:43 PM
Our corners are forcing turnovers even though we're putting no pressure on a QB.

Pressured QBs are the ones who usually make stupid mistakes or end up misfiring a throw while he's either hit or on the run. I can't even imagine how good these kids are going to be when we actually have a pass rush taht scares anybody.

Well, it's taken you a while, but you finally posted your first good point.

ChiefsCountry
12-07-2008, 03:54 PM
Well, it's taken you a while, but you finally posted your first good point.

ROFL

CupidStunt
12-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Hopefully they get to play with a better-than-worst-EVER pass-rush sometime soon.

Ari Chi3fs
12-07-2008, 05:09 PM
WOW.....Leggit just jumped that route so perfectly.....no longer will i have to hear about champ and dre as the best tandem, but Carr, Flowers, and leggetmay be best 3some ive ever seen


I've seen a better 3some... it was in 1997 and it involved me and 2 hot chicks in Dallas.

chiefs1111
12-07-2008, 05:33 PM
Well at least Herm did something right....

blueballs
12-07-2008, 05:45 PM
I've seen a better 3some... it was in 1997 and it involved me and 2 hot chicks in Dallas.

KFC still has a complaint filed with the DA

yeti
12-07-2008, 05:46 PM
doesn't matter without a pass rush

BigChiefFan
12-07-2008, 05:50 PM
Ultimately, would could still use another stud at the position...THEN, we would be set for a long time.

Mecca
12-07-2008, 05:51 PM
Well maybe now we can find some guys that know how to rush the passer..or some safeties that can do anything.

JASONSAUTO
12-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Well maybe now we can find some guys that know how to rush the passer..or some safeties that can do anything.

i thought our safeties played pretty well today, no?

Mecca
12-07-2008, 05:55 PM
i thought our safeties played pretty well today, no?

You enjoyed Bernard Pollard sucking yes? My favorite was when he hit Peyton Hillis and flew backwards into the ground with his legs flying up into the air.

BigChiefFan
12-07-2008, 05:55 PM
I don't like our safeties, either. Pollard is a liability in coverage and Page is weak versus the run-we could use a major upgrade at the position.

JASONSAUTO
12-07-2008, 05:56 PM
You enjoyed Bernard Pollard sucking yes? My favorite was when he hit Peyton Hillis and flew backwards into the ground with his legs flying up into the air.

ok ONE play you can call out. AND that was a 250 lb RB with a head of steam, while pollard was pretty much standing still

Mecca
12-07-2008, 05:57 PM
I don't like our safeties, either. Pollard is a liability in coverage and Page is weak versus the run-we could use a major upgrade at the position.

Pollard still doesn't tackle well....he just comes running in and tries to kill people which half the time results in him bouncing off and them continuing to run.

JASONSAUTO
12-07-2008, 05:59 PM
Pollard still doesn't tackle well....he just comes running in and tries to kill people which half the time results in him bouncing off and them continuing to run.

boiman did that several times too, coaching maybe?

Mecca
12-07-2008, 06:00 PM
Do the Chiefs coach guys like crap...yea they do but there's a reason Rocky Boiman wasn't on a team till the Chiefs signed him halfway through the year, alot of these players are complete balls.

DeezNutz
12-07-2008, 06:01 PM
boiman did that several times too, coaching maybe?

Umm...I'm going to say, sucking ass is the main reason. Let's stop using coaching as a crutch.

Could the coaching be better? I'm sure, but, with really good players, the talent should shine through. Sorry, the fucking talent isn't there. At LB. Or Safety. Or D-line. Or O-line. Or WR. Or...

Mecca
12-07-2008, 06:02 PM
Really this team has a severe lack of talent, most of these players would have no place on a remotely good team.

BigChiefFan
12-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Pollard still doesn't tackle well....he just comes running in and tries to kill people which half the time results in him bouncing off and them continuing to run.I think Pollard plays with too much emotion, looking for the big kill and whiffs some of the time in the process. I think with good coaching he could have become pretty damn good, either that or he is uncoachable. As it is, his game is half-assed. I've seen enough of his play to say we reached in the second round for his contruibution to the team.

Mecca
12-07-2008, 06:04 PM
I think Pollard plays with too much emotion, looking for the big kill and whiffs some of the time in the process. I think with good coaching he could have become pretty damn good, either that or he is uncoachable. As it is, his game is half-assed. I've seen enough of his play to say we reached in the second round for his contruibution to the team.

Most people could see that when the pick happened...safeties with LB times are liabilities just because he tries to big hit people doesn't make him valuable at all.

BigChiefFan
12-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Most people could see that when the pick happened...safeties with LB times are liabilities just because he tries to big hit people doesn't make him valuable at all.
I know I thought it was a reach on draft day.


I don't like slow safeties, either. Pollard would have probably been a better LBer, than safety, his coverage skills are the suck.

MIAdragon
12-07-2008, 06:08 PM
quite a few people around here owe Leggett an apology

First in that line.

Swazey
12-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Plaese to fix linebacking corp first. Thank you.

MIAdragon
12-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Plaese to fix linebacking corp first. Thank you.

After we get some pass rush thanks.

Swazey
12-07-2008, 06:11 PM
After we get some pass rush thanks.

True, true...

milkman
12-07-2008, 06:51 PM
ok ONE play you can call out. AND that was a 250 lb RB with a head of steam, while pollard was pretty much standing still

He wasn't standing still.

He left his feet and threw his body at Hillis.

Had he kept his feet and actually attempted to make a tackle using sound fundamentals, he might have been able to make that tackle.

As it was, he attempted to lay the wood and ended up in the chipper.

JASONSAUTO
12-07-2008, 06:55 PM
He wasn't standing still.

He left his feet and threw his body at Hillis.

Had he kept his feet and actually attempted to make a tackle using sound fundamentals, he might have been able to make that tackle.

As it was, he attempted to lay the wood and ended up in the chipper.

he took one step and lunged, you're right, still hillis got 1 maybe 2 yards more.
but that is only one play of many and i feel as though the safeties had a better overall game today

milkman
12-07-2008, 07:02 PM
he took one step and lunged, you're right, still hillis got 1 maybe 2 yards more.
but that is only one play of many and i feel as though the safeties had a better overall game today

I think our safeties are servicable, at best.

They aren't terrible, and they'll have some games, like today, where they look ok, overall.

They could be upgraded, but it isn't a real priority with all of our other needs.

Still, if a guy like Taylor Mays is the best player on the board when our selection comes up, you'd be hard pressed to not take him.

JASONSAUTO
12-07-2008, 07:07 PM
I think our servicable are average, at best.

They aren't terrible, and they'll have some games, like today, where they look ok, overall.

They could be upgraded, but it isn't a real priority with all of our other needs.

Still, if a guy like Taylor Mays is the best player on the board when our selection comes up, you'd be hard pressed to not take him.

agreed

The Bad Guy
12-07-2008, 07:07 PM
If Taylor Mays is available, our secondary would be set for 5 years with Morgan, Mays, Flowers and Carr.

Every good team in the NFL has a great safety.

Garcia Bronco
12-07-2008, 07:12 PM
Flowers will be great.

Zouk
12-07-2008, 07:15 PM
Every good team in the NFL has a great safety.

Giants?

Brandon Carr had a very rough day today. Just like Leggett did against the Saints. It's part of the deal for a rookie from D2. But that play with Marshall in the end zone on 3rd and long was really really bad. He just stood there and watched Marshall make a play on the ball.

Ebolapox
12-07-2008, 07:18 PM
Flowers will be great.

he already is.

Mecca
12-07-2008, 07:28 PM
Giants?

Brandon Carr had a very rough day today. Just like Leggett did against the Saints. It's part of the deal for a rookie from D2. But that play with Marshall in the end zone on 3rd and long was really really bad. He just stood there and watched Marshall make a play on the ball.

You do know the Giants just used a 1st round pick on a safety yes?

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 07:32 PM
KFC still has a complaint filed with the DA

ROFL

Zouk
12-07-2008, 07:42 PM
You do know the Giants just used a 1st round pick on a safety yes?

He's a backup.

We weren't arguing philosophy - he said all good teams in the NFL have a great safety. Well the Giants won a Super Bowl and are 11-2 with James Butler and Michael Johnson.

This team's problem is not at safety. It's always easy to blame safeties because they're the last line and out in the open, But it's way down the list.

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 07:42 PM
Well, it's taken you a while, but you finally posted your first good point.

I think many people( ahem..cough-cough )have been making that point, but no one wants to listen.

This defense minus our three emerging young guys is an absolute fucking JOKE.

Our Safties and LB's literally DEFINE "monkey fucking a football". They're all over the field, but never in the place they're supposed be.

Look; I understand why using position to get a QB is the right move. And to be honest, I saw some troubling red flags with Thigpen today. But I wish SOMEONE besides myself would throw as much 'Jerk and Spurt'-attention to this defense as they do the Quarterback question.

Mr. Laz
12-07-2008, 07:43 PM
Really this team has a severe lack of talent, most of these players would have no place on a remotely good team.
ya and our offensive line is too bad to run a decent offense ...... oh wait

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 07:49 PM
ya and our offensive line is too bad to run a decent offense ...... oh wait

Don't go handing out those blue ribbons just yet, pal. It was that O-line that created today's comic relief, or as I like to call it; "The LJ Stutter-Splat Run of 08".

WilliamTheIrish
12-07-2008, 07:52 PM
Pollard is a fine ST player. Page too. I'm still pissed that Carr allowed Tatum Bell to run 35 yards on that 95 yard drive.

It's not just the talent. Yea, the Chiefs D is deficient in the talent area, but our coaches suck and I don't think the players believe in the staff.

Mecca
12-07-2008, 08:56 PM
He's a backup.

We weren't arguing philosophy - he said all good teams in the NFL have a great safety. Well the Giants won a Super Bowl and are 11-2 with James Butler and Michael Johnson.

This team's problem is not at safety. It's always easy to blame safeties because they're the last line and out in the open, But it's way down the list.

Uh no he's not dude, Kenny Phillips is a starter for the Giants.

Zouk
12-07-2008, 09:02 PM
Uh no he's not dude, Kenny Phillips is a starter for the Giants.

Michael Johnson: 13 starts

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaeljohnson/profile?id=JOH504824

James Butler: 11 starts (2 games missed due to injury)

http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesbutler/profile?id=BUT259550

Kenny Phillips: 3 starts (2 games when Butler was out, 1 game when they opened in dime)

http://www.nfl.com/players/kennyphillips/profile?id=PHI403361

Cornstock
12-07-2008, 09:08 PM
Plaese to fix linebacking corp first. Thank you.

Despite all of his "amazing-ness" DJ has the worst hands ive ever seen in the world. I wonder if they keep a count on INTs dropped, im sure DJ would be leading the league. He almost had one today where he tried to "bread basket catch" it above his head. terrrible ball instincts.

But I really liked him at MIKE today. It seemed like he turned up more often.

The Bad Guy
12-07-2008, 09:09 PM
Giants?

Brandon Carr had a very rough day today. Just like Leggett did against the Saints. It's part of the deal for a rookie from D2. But that play with Marshall in the end zone on 3rd and long was really really bad. He just stood there and watched Marshall make a play on the ball.

Gibril Wilson was an absolute stud for the Giants last year.

Kenny Phillips is also playing great football for them as well.

Does that satisfy you, Herm lover?

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 09:16 PM
he already is.

WORD!

The Bad Guy
12-07-2008, 09:17 PM
You could argue the Giants this year didn't have one for 11 games. That's where superior coaching comes into play.

Unless we magically get superior coaching, we absolutely must upgrade at safety this year as well.

morphius
12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm happy with our top 3 CB's on this team, just the rest of the D is completely forgettable.

chiefsngop
12-07-2008, 09:19 PM
If Carr continues to develop and we can find a replacement for Page, I believe Pollard can be serviceable, as long as he is coachable.

Pollard will never be great, but with Flowers, Carr (with another year under his belt), and a solid replacement for Page, he's good enough to round out the 4.

That's if he's coachable, and we can teach him to wrap up and improve his cover abilities.

I'd hate for us to have to spend the draft pick or other resources replacing both safeties when we so desperately need a pass rusher and linebacking corp.

blueballs
12-07-2008, 10:47 PM
There needs to be a new sheriff and staff in defenseville
I've given up hope of Herm not returning

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 10:53 PM
There needs to be a new sheriff and staff in defenseville
I've given up hope of Herm not returning

I do believe a "Gun Bus-Chuck" WILL be forthcoming.

blueballs
12-07-2008, 10:54 PM
I do believe a "Gun Bus-Chuck" WILL be forthcoming.

Herm seen what Gailey did for the O
I wonder if Gailey was Carl's call
he waited too long to force out K-Rob

chiefzilla1501
12-07-2008, 10:59 PM
Herm seen what Gailey did for the O
I wonder if Gailey was Carl's call
he waited too long to force out K-Rob

I would be shocked if it was Carl's call. How many times in 20 years has he hired outside of his personal network of butt buddies? This was the first time in a very long time that Peterson conducted an open interview process for a head coach or a coordinator position.

That gives me at least some hope that he's not entirely running the show anymore. I can't help but wonder who was involved in this decision. I'm pretty sure Gailey was Herm's call. If you look at Gailey's traditional offensive philosophy, it's usually been to have a 3,200 yard passer and a 1,000+ yard rusher. It's just a really good thing that he changed his mind for us!

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 11:00 PM
Herm seen what Gailey did for the O
I wonder if Gailey was Carl's call
he waited too long to force out K-Rob

Not sure, but it WOULD make sense that particular call would be Carl's. Now I know that Carr was Herm's call, but I'm almost CERTAIN that Flowers was a Carl and Cook "poke and prod" that Herm had to take a back seat to.

If it were up to me, I'd can the WHOLE D-staff minus our Corner Guy( whose name escapes me ).

blueballs
12-07-2008, 11:02 PM
I have more faith in Carl making the right call than Herm
and that's just motherfucking scary man
motherfucking scary

Darth CarlSatan
12-07-2008, 11:05 PM
I have more faith in Carl making the right call than Herm
and that's just motherfucking scary man
motherfucking scary

ROFL

Yes. Yes it is.

Micjones
12-07-2008, 11:21 PM
quite a few people around here owe Leggett an apology

I'll be the first in line.
I suggested he be cut a few weeks back.

I'm sorry Mr. Leggett. You've played like a man the last three weeks and have played your way into a future with this team.

pr_capone
12-07-2008, 11:23 PM
quite a few people around here owe Leggett an apology

I'll step up and say that I owe the guy an apology.

He may actually be the real deal and I could not possibly be happier that I was wrong. :D

Fish
12-08-2008, 09:24 AM
I'm really losing confidence in Brandon Carr. He had a really shitty game. Granted he was covering Marshall, but he continues to struggle with all areas of the game. His tackling is lousy. He's making the same mistakes he was making in preseason.

Leggett > Carr right now and they should switch roles and make Carr the nickel....

Pestilence
12-08-2008, 09:47 AM
Damn......I know it's never going to happen but if we could grab Suggs and Vilma in FA and draft Mays.......I'd be the happiest guy on draft day ever.

HemiEd
12-08-2008, 10:04 AM
Well at least Herm did something right....

I have to hand it to him on these guys, they are fun to watch.

Detoxing
12-08-2008, 10:22 AM
I'm really losing confidence in Brandon Carr. He had a really shitty game. Granted he was covering Marshall, but he continues to struggle with all areas of the game. His tackling is lousy. He's making the same mistakes he was making in preseason.

Leggett > Carr right now and they should switch roles and make Carr the nickel....

Yeah, i have yet to see what the hype is on Carr. I see that he's always around the ball, but that's it. What ive mainly noticed about him is that he takes poor angles and doesn't seem to have great ball skills. Brandon Flowers, he has great ball skills

Darth CarlSatan
12-08-2008, 10:31 AM
Yeah, i have yet to see what the hype is on Carr. I see that he's always around the ball, but that's it. What ive mainly noticed about him is that he takes poor angles and doesn't seem to have great ball skills. Brandon Flowers, he has great ball skills

His specialty is supposed to be coverage on deep pass situations, but I can't remember ever watching him cover one.

CoMoChief
12-08-2008, 10:39 AM
WOW.....Leggit just jumped that route so perfectly.....no longer will i have to hear about champ and dre as the best tandem, but Carr, Flowers, and leggetmay be best 3some ive ever seen

DAL and WAS have better secondaries than we do.

Keep in mind that our secondary consists of players with at the most 3 yrs playing exp.

JASONSAUTO
12-08-2008, 11:41 AM
DAL and WAS have better secondaries than we do.

Keep in mind that our secondary consists of players with at the most 3 yrs playing exp.

doesnt wash have like 4-5 1st RDers in their defensive BF though?