I'm bad cause I don't care about bin Laden's "feelings"!

[petegz28]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5309194&postcount=446

From the A+ Poly Sci student Jenson71

You ignorant ****, you can't listen to a thing I'm saying. You can't put one and one together and get two. You just look at one and one.

To put it a simpler way: when we torture Osama bin Laden's driver, how do you think that makes Osama bin Laden feel? A.) Happy B.) Neutral C.) Even more pissed off at Western Imperialist Crusaders?

I may be ignorant or bad for a lot of things but this takes the ****ing cake!


LMAO

[Jenson71]

I had to give some nearly-hypothetical silly question for you to engage my actual discussion instead of your D- knee jerk reaction. There's no reason this needed to be an entire thread.

I believe the question of legitimacy is utmost importance in the war on terror. And being very keen on the emotional aspects of enemies is a key to winning wars.

[petegz28]

I had to give some nearly-hypothetical silly question for you to engage my actual discussion instead of your D- knee jerk reaction. There's no reason this needed to be an entire thread.

I believe the question of legitimacy is utmost importance in the war on terror. And being very keen on the emotional aspects of enemies is a key to winning wars.

Yeah, ok, sure......right.

Should I post the one where you cried about someone pissing on the Quaran and how that hurts the feeling of our enemies? :p

[Reaper16]

For petegz, combating terrorists means making more citizens interested in conducting terrorism.

[ClevelandBronco]

If you park Osama bin Laden's car, how does that make his driver feel?

A.) Happy
B.) Neutral
C.) Even more pissed off at western imperialist chauffeurs.

That guy is going to want you dead, pete. You're biting into his tips.

[petegz28]

For petegz, combating terrorists means making more citizens interested in conducting terrorism.

Explain said Terrorism I want to conduct, please? I am all ears.

[petegz28]

If you park Osama bin Laden's car, how does that make his driver feel?

A.) Happy
B.) Neutral
C.) Even more pissed off at western imperialist chauffeurs.

That guy is going to want you dead, pete. You're biting into his tips.

My bad, my bad.....:doh!:

[Jenson71]

Yeah, ok, sure......right.

Should I post the one where you cried about someone pissing on the Quaran and how that hurts the feeling of our enemies? :p

I think this thread should be closed since it serves no purpose other than allowing your attempts to take my posts out of their larger context to get some rise from other posters.

[petegz28]

Ineterviewer-Mrs. Smith, it must of been tragic for you to know your husband had to choose between burning to death or jumping 100 stories to his death.

Mrs. Smith-Not as tragic to know someone pissed on a Quran.

[ClevelandBronco]

For petegz, combating terrorists means making more citizens interested in conducting terrorism.

"Citizens" of what?

[Reaper16]

Explain said Terrorism I want to conduct, please? I am all ears.
Its not so much that we "care about their feelings" as you want to put it. Those "feelings" lead other people to become incredibly pissed off at us, to the point where they either conduct extremist activity themselves or actively support local/national groups that conduct or fund terrorism.

In other words, citizens in the Middle-East may say to themselves "They're doing that (torture or aggressive interrogation or whatever) to our people? They must be the monsters that [insert terrorist group here] says they are."

It perpetuates the very culture of hate that we are trying to combat.

[Jenson71]

Ineterviewer-Mrs. Smith, it must of been tragic for you to know your husband had to choose between burning to death or jumping 100 stories to his death.

Mrs. Smith-Not as tragic to know someone pissed on a Quran.

Is this just a thread for you to post irrelevant nonsense? Don't you have a blog or something?

[ClevelandBronco]

Is this just a thread for you to post irrelevant nonsense? Don't you have a blog or something?

It's all good. The guy is just making fun of you.

Settle down.

[Reaper16]

It's all good. The guy is just making fun of you.

Settle down.
I'm decently sure that petegz is only making fun of himself here. Unintentionally.

[petegz28]

Its not so much that we "care about their feelings" as you want to put it. Those "feelings" lead other people to become incredibly pissed off at us, to the point where they either conduct extremist activity themselves or actively support local/national groups that conduct or fund terrorism.

In other words, citizens in the Middle-East may say to themselves "They're doing that (torture or aggressive interrogation or whatever) to our people? They must be the monsters that [insert terrorist group here] says they are."

It perpetuates the very culture of hate that we are trying to combat.

It was your buddy that kept saying "how would you FEEL about this or how would you FEEL about that?"

And now you are going to educate us on the mentality of the people in the ME? Where did you get your information from, I am curious?

I am sure it would shock you that most people in the ME, even in Iraq where there were a bit less dogmatic, thin that if they fall down and scrape their knee it was the will of Allah.

[Jenson71]

I am sure it would shock you that most people in the ME, even in Iraq where there were a bit less dogmatic, thin that if they fall down and scrape their knee it was the will of Allah.

LMAO

[petegz28]

LMAO

You obviously have not ever talked with anyone who has been over to Iraq.

[Jenson71]

You obviously have not ever talked with anyone who has been over to Iraq.

These people are irrational animals! I've talked with an Iraqi student. She's completely normal and rational, like nearly everyone there.

[Laz]

is pete really jake?

have we ever seen them together?


one leaves, one shows up :hmmm:

[petegz28]

These people are irrational animals! I've talked with an Iraqi student. She's completely normal and rational, like nearly everyone there.


Most people in Iraq and the middle-east for that matter, are not irrational animals. They are just stuck in a time and place dominated by a theology controlled by Imams.

I mean JFC look at how women are treated in the ME? And what justifies it in their minds? Religion. And the Imams keep the people "dumbed down" cause they are easier to heard via religous fiat.

Thus bringing me back to the point I tried to make to you last night. For all intensive puroposes this is a Holy War, like it or not.

YOU may think it isn't. I may think it isn't. But as long as the enemy does, it is.

[Jenson71]

It's all good. The guy is just making fun of you.

Settle down.

I don't get it and think I can legitimately speak in defense of myself. Is that a problem for you?

[petegz28]

is pete really jake?

have we ever seen them together?


one leaves, one shows up :hmmm:

Well as usual, your keen investigative senses have you all fucked up in the head. :thumb:

[Jenson71]

Most people in Iraq and the middle-east for that matter, are not irrational animals. They are just stuck in a time and place dominated by a theology controlled by Imams.

I mean JFC look at how women are treated in the ME? And what justifies it in their minds? Religion. And the Imams keep the people "dumbed down" cause they are easier to heard via religous fiat.

Thus bringing me back to the point I tried to make to you last night. For all intensive puroposes this is a Holy War, like it or not.

YOU may think it isn't. I may think it isn't. But as long as the enemy does, it is.

this is fucking deep

[ClevelandBronco]

I don't get it and think I can legitimately speak in defense of myself. Is that a problem for you?

No. It's funny, but it's not a problem.

[petegz28]

this is ****ing deep

You are a real piece of work guy.

I guess everyone across the world lives acts and thinks as we do here in the States?

[ClevelandBronco]

Most people in Iraq and the middle-east for that matter, are not irrational animals. They are just stuck in a time and place dominated by a theology controlled by Imams.

I mean JFC look at how women are treated in the ME? And what justifies it in their minds? Religion. And the Imams keep the people "dumbed down" cause they are easier to heard via religous fiat.

Thus bringing me back to the point I tried to make to you last night. For all intensive puroposes this is a Holy War, like it or not.

YOU may think it isn't. I may think it isn't. But as long as the enemy does, it is.

That would be intents and purposes. Not intensive purposes.

[petegz28]

That would be intents and purposes. Not intensive purposes.

Ok, I failed the grammar test.....:LOL:

[ClevelandBronco]

Ok, I failed the grammar test.....:LOL:

Been there. Done that.

[Jenson71]

You are a real piece of work guy.

I guess everyone across the world lives acts and thinks as we do here in the States?

I guess Muslims are trapped in a sick religion which breeds hatred towards the US. I guess they also hate us for our freedoms, too, right? It's ironic that you tell Reaper he can't talk about the mentality of the people there, but you have a lot knowledge on the issue.

[petegz28]

I guess Muslims are trapped in a sick religion which breeds hatred towards the US. I guess they also hate us for our freedoms, too, right? It's ironic that you tell Reaper he can't talk about the mentality of the people there, but you have a lot knowledge on the issue.

Alot of them over there are trapped by their religion.

Or I guess the women in Afghanistan lover having the shit beat out of them by any male around for exposing her ankles?

He has demonstrated he has no knowledge obviously. Apparently you have not either.

A lot of them do hate us for our freedoms or lifestyle if you will. Not everyone loves Americans or this country or Western Civilization for that matter. Or am I wrong on that too?

[Jenson71]

Ok, I failed the grammar test.....:LOL:

That's not a grammar mistake. It's just another example of your ignorance.

[Jenson71]

A lot of them do hate us for our freedoms or lifestyle if you will. Not everyone loves Americans or this country or Western Civilization for that matter. Or am I wrong on that too?

Yes! That's what I was looking for. They hate us for our freedoms.

[petegz28]

That's not a grammar mistake. It's just another example of your ignorance.

Well I guess the issues are about done being discussed.

[petegz28]

Yes! That's what I was looking for. They hate us for our freedoms.

You deny this?

Why don't you educate us all on what the "real truth" is?

Enlighten us all with your vast amout of knowledge and wisdom, please.

[Jenson71]

You deny this?

Why don't you educate us all on what the "real truth" is?

Enlighten us all with your vast amout of knowledge and wisdom, please.

They don't hate us because of our freedoms. A significant amount of Muslims hate how Western culture has impacted their Islamic society -- including the setting up of military bases in their countries, the entanglement of political authorities with Westerners, and a strong thirst for resources, and especially the continued support of Israel.

[petegz28]

They don't hate us because of our freedoms. A significant amount of Muslims hate how Western culture has impacted their Islamic society -- including the setting up of military bases in their countries, the entanglement of political authorities with Westerners, and a strong thirst for resources, and especially the continued support of Israel.

LMAO

So you want us to kiss ass to others to get help but think we should turn our back on our allies? It might shock you that I actually wish we would quit supporting Israel, but not for the reason you think.

And please, tell me how we impacted their Isalmic Society? Considering we help protect it?

What about all those muslims we went to war for in Kosovo?

[Jenson71]

And please, tell me how we impacted their Isalmic Society? Considering we help protect it?

What about all those muslims we went to war for in Kosovo?

You're kidding.

[banyon]

great thread, petesprayr.

[petegz28]

great thread, petesprayr.

I did it just for you :thumb:

[Sully]

ROFL


I gotta go look for an old thread...

[Radar Chief]

They don't hate us because of our freedoms. A significant amount of Muslims hate how Western culture has impacted their Islamic society -- including the setting up of military bases in their countries, the entanglement of political authorities with Westerners, and a strong thirst for resources, and especially the continued support of Israel.

Yes “they” do.
The problem is you’re apparently thinking of the wrong people when you say “they”.
“They” doesn’t = the average Joe Muslim trying to scrape up some semblance of a living to provide for his family. “They” are the leaders that use religion and lack of access to information to maintain their power structure. “They” definitely hate our freedoms because they don’t want their people knowing there is another way of life that doesn’t include oppression by the Ayatollahs, Mullahs, whatever other title they want to give themselves.
You should be familiar with them, your post recites many of the justifications they’ll use to con otherwise reasonable people into thinking it’s a good idea to martyr themselves fighting the evil infidel horde.

[whatsmynameagain]

the bottom line is isreal. that, more than anything, is what pisses the muslim world off the most.

[petegz28]

the bottom line is isreal. that, more than anything, is what pisses the muslim world off the most.

Agreed,

[BigRedChief]

the bottom line is isreal. that, more than anything, is what pisses the muslim world off the most.
What a bunch of BS.

So you think if Israel no longer exsists that the terriosts go away? The hatred of the U.S. goes away?

And since when does the Republican party faithful care about the muslim world's "fellings"?

[jAZ]

I had to give some nearly-hypothetical silly question for you to engage my actual discussion instead of your D- knee jerk reaction. There's no reason this needed to be an entire thread.

I believe the question of legitimacy is utmost importance in the war on terror. And being very keen on the emotional aspects of enemies is a key to winning wars.

You are right, but I your wording gave people an excuse to play games with one of the central stuggles in winning the "war on terror".

Pathetic that they would, more pathetic that once called out they will reply with "it's a joke, don't be so serious"...

Ultimately it's not about Bin Laden's feelings. He's a psychopath on a crusade.

It's about the feelings of those he's trying to influence. Specifically, the rest of the Muslim world.

Part of the fight is special ops & military. But most of it is psyops, and like it or not, that's almost entirely about "beliefs" and "feelings".

We can kill every other Arab or Muslim in the ME with military strikes, and part of the impact is that the remaining people will galvenize together against us to protect themselves.

We lose in that situation.

So you were right, but IMO ineffective in how you made your point.

[vailpass]

I like how some people think that not interrogating some of these terrorists will somehow lessen the degree of hatred and desire to kill us that these animals feel.

There is greater utility derived from the intel gained by interrogating these subjects than there is in foregoing the interrogations.

[VAChief]

For the more pragmatic...does torture even work? Excerpt from 2005 Post article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2302-2005Jan11.html

By contrast, it is easy to find experienced U.S. officers who argue precisely the opposite. Meet, for example, retired Air Force Col. John Rothrock, who, as a young captain, headed a combat interrogation team in Vietnam. More than once he was faced with a ticking time-bomb scenario: a captured Vietcong guerrilla who knew of plans to kill Americans. What was done in such cases was "not nice," he says. "But we did not physically abuse them." Rothrock used psychology, the shock of capture and of the unexpected. Once, he let a prisoner see a wounded comrade die. Yet -- as he remembers saying to the "desperate and honorable officers" who wanted him to move faster -- "if I take a Bunsen burner to the guy's genitals, he's going to tell you just about anything," which would be pointless. Rothrock, who is no squishy liberal, says that he doesn't know "any professional intelligence officers of my generation who would think this is a good idea."

Or listen to Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who conducted interrogations in Vietnam, Panama and Iraq during Desert Storm, and who was sent by the Pentagon in 2003 -- long before Abu Ghraib -- to assess interrogations in Iraq. Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply "not a good way to get information." In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no "stress methods" at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the "batting average" might be lower: "perhaps six out of ten." And if you beat up the remaining four? "They'll just tell you anything to get you to stop."

Worse, you'll have the other side effects of torture. It "endangers our soldiers on the battlefield by encouraging reciprocity." It does "damage to our country's image" and undermines our credibility in Iraq. That, in the long run, outweighs any theoretical benefit. Herrington's confidential Pentagon report, which he won't discuss but which was leaked to The Post a month ago, goes farther. In that document, he warned that members of an elite military and CIA task force were abusing detainees in Iraq, that their activities could be "making gratuitous enemies" and that prisoner abuse "is counterproductive to the Coalition's efforts to win the cooperation of the Iraqi citizenry." Far from rescuing Americans, in other words, the use of "special methods" might help explain why the war is going so badly.

[patteeu]

These people are irrational animals! I've talked with an Iraqi student. She's completely normal and rational, like nearly everyone there.

What do you think the chances are that she'll become a terrorist once she finds out that we waterboarded KSM in the aftermath of 9/11?

[patteeu]

You are right, but I your wording gave people an excuse to play games with one of the central stuggles in winning the "war on terror".

Pathetic that they would, more pathetic that once called out they will reply with "it's a joke, don't be so serious"...

Ultimately it's not about Bin Laden's feelings. He's a psychopath on a crusade.

It's about the feelings of those he's trying to influence. Specifically, the rest of the Muslim world.

Part of the fight is special ops & military. But most of it is psyops, and like it or not, that's almost entirely about "beliefs" and "feelings".

We can kill every other Arab or Muslim in the ME with military strikes, and part of the impact is that the remaining people will galvenize together against us to protect themselves.

We lose in that situation.

So you were right, but IMO ineffective in how you made your point.

I don't completely disagree with your point in this post (although I'm sure we could find plenty of disagreement in the details), but wrt the bolded section, if we kill them all, who's left to be galvanized? :p

[Jenson71]

What do you think the chances are that she'll become a terrorist once she finds out that we waterboarded KSM in the aftermath of 9/11?

A terrorist? No chance, or very unlikely. Be less sympathetic for our war on terror? Yes, absolutely.

[jAZ]

I don't completely disagree with your point in this post (although I'm sure we could find plenty of disagreement in the details), but wrt the bolded section, if we kill them all, who's left to be galvanized? :p
I meant "every other" as in, all odd numbered or half.

I'd put in a smiley face, if it didn't feel weird to do so while talking about American instituted genocide.

[RedNeckRaider]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5309194&postcount=446

From the A+ Poly Sci student Jenson71



I may be ignorant or bad for a lot of things but this takes the ****ing cake!


LMAO

I would like him and everyone who stands with him "feel" a bullet enter their forehead and exit through the back of their head.

[whoman69]

Yeah, ok, sure......right.

Should I post the one where you cried about someone pissing on the Quaran and how that hurts the feeling of our enemies? :p

Yeah because that's going to bring the hearts and minds of the Iraqui people to our side. Do stupid sh!t and its going to bite your ass in the end.

[Ultra Peanut]

Pete,

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zpthjq.gif

[chagrin]

Pete,



What an insightful post, as usual nothing more than jibberish in the form of a video with a fraig in it

[Ultra Peanut]

aw geez

I didn't show Petegz28 and his brilliant thread the proper respect they deserved. Let me try again.

Pete,

http://i39.tinypic.com/sgrc7s.gif

[petegz28]

aw geez

I didn't show Petegz28 and his brilliant thread the proper respect they deserved. Let me try again.

Pete,

http://i39.tinypic.com/sgrc7s.gif

You have a man crush on bin Laden, don't you? ROFL

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm not a man, so that'd be kind of hard, no?