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John_Wayne
12-19-2008, 12:47 PM
Are the Chiefs set at CB for next year and beyond? What do you think of this trio of CBs? Do we need to draft a CB with high pick or find a veteran in free agency? If Herm is our coach in 09, you KNOW he'll draft a CB or two. Do we really need to though? The higher priorities are DE, OT, OG, WR, FB, DT......

Sully
12-19-2008, 12:48 PM
Yes.

CoMoChief
12-19-2008, 12:49 PM
Absolutely. Get ride of Pat Slowtain and find another CB in the draft.

BigChiefFan
12-19-2008, 12:50 PM
No. We need another stud opposite of Flowers. Let Leggett and Carr battle it out for nickle and dime. We could make it work, but ultimately, we could use another ballhawk corner. That said, it's certainly the least of our worries.

Priest31kc
12-19-2008, 12:54 PM
Yes, we are. The 3 rookies have played amazing, especially considering they are playing with the WORST PASS RUSH IN HISTORY. We are fine in the secondary, go get some DL and LBs.

HemiEd
12-19-2008, 12:56 PM
I am no expert, but IMO that has to be the brightest part of the roster.

CoMoChief
12-19-2008, 12:58 PM
I am no expert, but IMO that has to be the brightest part of the roster.

dont forget the Punter.

Demonpenz
12-19-2008, 01:05 PM
out of all the holes CB is not one of them, if there is a move that makes business cents then yeah get some depth, but those players should only get better after one year of reps, films, and actual game time. CB isn't like D or Oline like getting stronger or grow into their frame, they just need reps. Flowers reminds me of Rod Woodson in the fact he can cover and tackle

Sfeihc
12-19-2008, 01:12 PM
Surtain and his big contract are goners. The 2 Brandons and Leggett give the Chiefs a nice group of corners for years to come. Depth is all that's needed. A very low priority considering the current shape of the roster.

eazyb81
12-19-2008, 01:14 PM
There's always room for improvement, but IMO we need to drastically improve the talent in the front seven before worrying about improving the CBs. Deion Sanders would look average with the lack of pressure we get.

Pitt Gorilla
12-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Surtain and his big contract are goners. The 2 Brandons and Leggett give the Chiefs a nice group of corners for years to come. Depth is all that's needed. A very low priority considering the current shape of the roster.I wonder who we would have drafted with that second rounder we gave up for Pat?

eazyb81
12-19-2008, 01:19 PM
I wonder who we would have drafted with that second rounder we gave up for Pat?

Probably someone awesome. We usually do great with 2nd round picks...

Brock
12-19-2008, 01:20 PM
I wonder who we would have drafted with that second rounder we gave up for Pat?

A FB/TE/WR hybrid. I mean another one.

OnTheWarpath58
12-19-2008, 01:34 PM
I wonder who we would have drafted with that second rounder we gave up for Pat?

Khalif Barnes
Nick Collins
Roscoe Parrish
Kelvin Hayden
Vincent Jackson
Channing Crowder
Justin Tuck
Kirk Morrison


To name a few...

Demonpenz
12-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Khalif Barnes
Nick Collins
Roscoe Parrish
Kelvin Hayden
Vincent Jackson
Channing Crowder
Justin Tuck
Kirk Morrison


To name a few...

Damn we could have had VINCENT JACKSON...

Micjones
12-19-2008, 01:49 PM
I'd certainly identify a talented veteran for depth purposes, but I'm comfortable with the trio of young guys at Corner.

BigChiefFan
12-19-2008, 01:50 PM
Probably someone awesome. We usually do great with 2nd round picks...
That's just it, at the time we had to make a move. Had Carl not pulled his regular "ego' move with Rolle, we might have had a better plan in the first place... Sign Rolle as a FA and KEEP the pick. The Ravens, once again identify talent and make the necessary move, while Carl is left twisting in the wind. Our secondary was horrendous, I don't fault the Chiefs for trying with Surtain, he's been decent, but they could have made alot better move.

Sure-Oz
12-19-2008, 01:52 PM
Khalif Barnes
Nick Collins
Roscoe Parrish
Kelvin Hayden
Vincent Jackson
Channing Crowder
Justin Tuck
Kirk Morrison


To name a few...

all these guys would suck with us, im sure we would've cut justin tuck

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 02:33 PM
No. We need another stud opposite of Flowers. Let Leggett and Carr battle it out for nickle and dime. We could make it work, but ultimately, we could use another ballhawk corner. That said, it's certainly the least of our worries.

Yes, we are. The 3 rookies have played amazing, especially considering they are playing with the WORST PASS RUSH IN HISTORY. We are fine in the secondary, go get some DL and LBs.

I am no expert, but IMO that has to be the brightest part of the roster.

dont forget the Punter.

Surtain and his big contract are goners. The 2 Brandons and Leggett give the Chiefs a nice group of corners for years to come. Depth is all that's needed. A very low priority considering the current shape of the roster.

All of this, yes.

Mr. Laz
12-19-2008, 02:39 PM
considering we have so many other needs ....... yes

TRR
12-19-2008, 03:23 PM
After those 3 CB's though, it's a pretty weak cast. It seems that almost every season, CB's get hurt frequently. Depth is a must.

JuicesFlowing
12-19-2008, 03:24 PM
I hope they are. It's a pretty good secondary.

raybec 4
12-19-2008, 03:26 PM
I wonder who we would have drafted with that second rounder we gave up for Pat?

I dunno but it really sys something about him that Phillip fuggin Rivers out ran him to the corner on that pick.

crazycoffey
12-19-2008, 03:26 PM
Yes, we are. The 3 rookies have played amazing, especially considering they are playing with the WORST PASS RUSH IN HISTORY. We are fine in the secondary, go get some DL and LBs.


agreed, and how many of us wanted to give up on Legget mid season? (even Carr, for some!)

We know now that that isn't a huge need anymore, because we put them to the test.

I'm not sold that surtain and donnie were so banged up they couldn't have played if they wanted to. And I'm ok with that.

aturnis
12-19-2008, 03:28 PM
a move that makes business cents

Alright. I've seen this used on the board MANY a time, and was wondering... Is this an inside joke I missed? Or are people really this...err...(Don't want to say it b/c if it is in fact "this" I'll feel bad b/c I rather like Demonpenz. He is a funny guy. At least on the intrawebs. Next to the porno and all.) stupid?!

raybec 4
12-19-2008, 03:28 PM
agreed, and how many of us wanted to give up on Legget mid season? (even Carr, for some!)

We know now that that isn't a huge need anymore, because we put them to the test.

I'm not sold that surtain and donnie were so banged up they couldn't have played if they wanted to. And I'm ok with that.

I know I'm guilty, I called Legget a no tackling waste of space when they cut Brack and kept him.......my bad.

R&GHomer
12-19-2008, 03:32 PM
From what I've seen this year, I'd say HELL yes. It's been a long time since we've had a good back field. Flowers was a complete home run by Herm and the staff. Carr is going to get even better. I'm happy with what we have.

penguinz
12-19-2008, 03:33 PM
Alright. I've seen this used on the board MANY a time, and was wondering... Is this an inside joke I missed? Or are people really this...err...(Don't want to say it b/c if it is in fact "this" I'll feel bad b/c I rather like Demonpenz. He is a funny guy. At least on the intrawebs. Next to the porno and all.) stupid?!Your and idiot.

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 03:35 PM
From what I've seen this year, I'd say HELL yes. It's been a long time since we've had a good back field. Flowers was a complete home run by Herm and the staff. Carr is going to get even better. I'm happy with what we have.

Yep; time to bask in the glory again:

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aturnis
12-19-2008, 03:39 PM
Your and idiot.

oh.....:spock:

Fish
12-19-2008, 03:54 PM
I'd really like to see a vet to compete with Carr. I'm really not sold on him at this point. But still it's not a really high priority....

lazepoo
12-19-2008, 04:10 PM
With all of the other holes, I hope they concentrate elsewhere, but if the BPA is a corner, I wouldn't be upset with more.

Iowanian
12-19-2008, 04:16 PM
I think the Chiefs will have to improve the 4-5 corners, but those 3 rookies have all played very well considering everything else.

If the Chiefs want to improve the pass defense, they'd be far better off drafting/singing a PASS RUSH....and improving the Safety positions.

IMO, Pollard isn't good enough in pass coverage to be the starting SS....move him to OLB and improve his spot. Page is a step better than Pollard and will probably work for another year, because other places need improvement worse.

I hope the Chiefs will give Morgan significant playing time to find out if he is or isn't a potential SS solution.


Bigger need on Defense at DE, DE, MLB, OLB and SS IMO, not to mention the offensive side of the ball and need for a C, RG and RT.

penguinz
12-19-2008, 04:23 PM
oh.....:spock:Don't think to hard. You might pull a muscle.

aturnis
12-19-2008, 04:44 PM
Don't think to hard. You might pull a muscle.

gay much?

Mr. Laz
12-19-2008, 05:00 PM
inside type joke

people are always using to,too,two,and,an,a the wrong way or some other goofy crap.

KCChiefsMan
12-19-2008, 05:03 PM
who is gonna be available that won't cost an arm and a leg? I like what I see with the trio we currently have, let them develop and see where is takes us IMO

aturnis
12-19-2008, 05:08 PM
inside type joke

people are always using to,too,two,and,an,a the wrong way or some other goofy crap.

don't forget loose and lose...

btlook1
12-19-2008, 05:11 PM
There's always room for improvement, but IMO we need to drastically improve the talent in the front seven before worrying about improving the CBs. Deion Sanders would look average with the lack of pressure we get.

I agree! Let's get a pass rush then maybe we can pick up an older vet that is faster than Surtain for some depth...that shouldn't be hard to do...

StcChief
12-19-2008, 05:15 PM
With all of the other holes, I hope they concentrate elsewhere, but if the BPA is a corner, I wouldn't be upset with more.
I still can't be live I'm agreeing with a N00b...... BPA is at this point a great pick....

aturnis
12-19-2008, 05:19 PM
What sucks is the lack of players worth a top 5 pick. Some teams may want one of the LT's that early, but we're set there. Might be too hard to trade down too. I guess Orakpo it is... damn. Not that Orakpo suck's, but I'd rather have him a little bit later unless his stock soars after the combine, which it probably will.

xbarretx
12-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Yes, we are. The 3 rookies have played amazing, especially considering they are playing with the WORST PASS RUSH IN HISTORY. We are fine in the secondary, go get some DL and LBs.

and for F**K sake... swap Dorseys position!!!

aturnis
12-19-2008, 05:26 PM
and for F**K sake... swap Dorseys position!!!

How long exactly have you been calling for this?

xbarretx
12-19-2008, 05:29 PM
How long exactly have you been calling for this?

by you do you mean we? :p i think the planets been preaching that since New England

they should swap him "FOR THE SHORTIES!!!"

blueballs
12-19-2008, 05:40 PM
I remember when most everybody thought Page was the shit
now they say he is just shit

EyePod
12-19-2008, 05:46 PM
dont forget the Punter.

He's been terrible ever since his injury.

EyePod
12-19-2008, 05:47 PM
What sucks is the lack of players worth a top 5 pick. Some teams may want one of the LT's that early, but we're set there. Might be too hard to trade down too. I guess Orakpo it is... damn. Not that Orakpo suck's, but I'd rather have him a little bit later unless his stock soars after the combine, which it probably will.

Aaron Curry. Done.

cdcox
12-19-2008, 05:53 PM
We don't know how good these guys will be.

Leggett has spent very little time on the field. He has a knack for making plays, but is that sustainable or is he just pulling a Boerigter? How is he in coverage -- little data to say.

Will Carr and Flowers continue to develop or will we see a sophomore slump? We don't know. Once WR's start getting film on these guys, will some fatal weakness be exposed? Once we re-establish a pass rush, and better safety play, are these guys good enough to shut down a team's passing game?

They've shown enough in their rookie campaign to focus on other areas for the next year at least. Are we set at corner? That remains to be seen.

Mecca
12-19-2008, 05:59 PM
This will all change when new guys come in here but if the Chiefs go to a more man up styled scheme they'll probably need another one, Flowers will be a good starter in this league but he will have limitations against speed WR's.

EyePod
12-19-2008, 06:00 PM
We don't know how good these guys will be.

Leggett has spent very little time on the field. He has a knack for making plays, but is that sustainable or is he just pulling a Boerigter? How is he in coverage -- little data to say.

Will Carr and Flowers continue to develop or will we see a sophomore slump? We don't know. Once WR's start getting film on these guys, will some fatal weakness be exposed? Once we re-establish a pass rush, and better safety play, are these guys good enough to shut down a team's passing game?

They've shown enough in their rookie campaign to focus on other areas for the next year at least. Are we set at corner? That remains to be seen.

I agree. We have more holes to fill than a room full of female nymphos! Lets worry about those first!

The Bad Guy
12-19-2008, 07:06 PM
There is absolutely no reason to invest any dollars or high draft picks on another corner. Corners can be had as undrafted free agents.

The job these corners have done with no pass rush is amazing. Carr and Flowers are going to be huge for us to build around.

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 07:10 PM
This will all change when new guys come in here but if the Chiefs go to a more man up styled scheme they'll probably need another one, Flowers will be a good starter in this league but he will have limitations against speed WR's.

Considering that no one throws the ball more than 40 yards anymore, I think #24 should be well set.

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 07:11 PM
That.

There is absolutely no reason to invest any dollars or high draft picks on another corner. Corners can be had as undrafted free agents.

The job these corners have done with no pass rush is amazing. Carr and Flowers are going to be huge for us to build around.

Mecca
12-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Considering that no one throws the ball more than 40 yards anymore, I think #24 should be well set.

Teams that have the players for it do....such as NE last year or how Andre Johnson is used.

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 07:29 PM
There is absolutely no reason to invest any dollars or high draft picks on another corner. Corners can be had as undrafted free agents.

The job these corners have done with no pass rush is amazing. Carr and Flowers are going to be huge for us to build around.

Teams that have the players for it do....such as NE last year or how Andre Johnson is used.

True, but by and large I see it used as a desperation play more than anything else these days.

When I was coming up during the era of Walsh, throwing the ball long was common fare.
Not so much anymore.

morphius
12-19-2008, 08:26 PM
I'm happy with these 3, they need to stay healthy, and prove something next season once people have had the times to watch the tapes on them.

penguinz
12-19-2008, 08:28 PM
gay much?Sorry but I don't swing that way. You might talk to Claython. I know he has mentioned interest in sausage a time or two.

Ebolapox
12-19-2008, 09:33 PM
I'm content with them at cornerback. now get them a pass-rush ASAP

Darth CarlSatan
12-19-2008, 09:38 PM
That.

I'm content with them at cornerback. now get them a pass-rush ASAP