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OctoberFart
12-19-2008, 09:47 PM
Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC QUEEFS TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

88TG88
12-19-2008, 09:48 PM
o hai

Count Zarth
12-19-2008, 09:48 PM
The end result is the firing of Herm Edwards.

Chiefs win.

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2008, 10:02 PM
The end result is the firing of Herm Edwards.

Chiefs win.


Epic win

Cooter
12-19-2008, 10:04 PM
That Q word drives me up the wall. Where is the fucking filter when we need it?

talastan
12-19-2008, 10:06 PM
LT of the future, Legit Change of pace Back, possibly a safety who at worst is depth for this team vs. a Good pass rusher who didn't want to play for the team he was on and would've possibly been a locker room cancer if he had to play under the franchise tag....No contest we came out on top.

By the way Fallfart, how's Javon needsaWalker, and Deangleo Hell working out for ya? Nice waste of cap space Faidturd. ROFL

unothadeal
12-19-2008, 10:06 PM
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KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:07 PM
The end result is the firing of Herm Edwards.

Chiefs win.Yeah, one Peterson down... one Edwards to go.

You're still stuck with good old Al. That motherfucker will never go away.

And he seems to be immortal, that sucks for you.

I'm surprised some Raiders fan hasn't driven a stake through his heart. (yet)

Buehler445
12-19-2008, 10:11 PM
By the way Fallfart, how's Javon needsaWalker, and Deangleo Hell working out for ya? Nice waste of cap space Faidturd. ROFL

It still amazes me that Faider trash still shows up to talk shit.

Agent V
12-19-2008, 10:18 PM
Carl Peterson was fired. No fan in the NFL has any real trash to talk on us.

blueballs
12-19-2008, 10:22 PM
pull the string cheese out of your ass
and focus

Cooter
12-19-2008, 10:22 PM
AutumnWind

The Jared Allen sack statistic is not as embarrassing as this:

The Oakland Raiders are the first NFL franchise to lose 11 or more games in six straight seasons ROFL

Buehler445
12-19-2008, 10:24 PM
AutumnWind

The Jared Allen sack statistic is not as embarrassing as this:

The Oakland Raiders are the first NFL franchise to lose 11 or more games in six straight seasons ROFL

ROFL

The n00b just punked the Raider Trash!

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:25 PM
ROFL

The n00b just punked the Raider Trash!He's earned rep, IMO.

Buehler445
12-19-2008, 10:26 PM
He's earned rep, IMO.

I gave him some. Keep rocking out n00b!

unothadeal
12-19-2008, 10:28 PM
I think it might be a she

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:29 PM
I gave him some. Keep rocking out n00b!:rockon:

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:31 PM
I think it might be a sheReally?

A girl who named herself "Cooter"?

I'm intrigued.

unothadeal
12-19-2008, 10:33 PM
That Q word drives me up the wall. Where is the ****ing filter when we need it?

Basing it off of this post alone.

Reerun_KC
12-19-2008, 10:39 PM
I think the local high school grocery sacker could out sack the chiefs... Especially on double coupon night...

DaFace
12-19-2008, 10:42 PM
For what it's worth, I'm about 90% sure that AutumnWind = GROB, so it's entirely possible that he's really a Broncos fan pretending to be a Raiders fan. That would make more sense in terms of why he continually talks smack even when the Raiders are in the tank.

el borracho
12-19-2008, 10:43 PM
Luckily we don't have to sack you to beat you.

DaFace
12-19-2008, 10:43 PM
Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.

cdcox
12-19-2008, 10:45 PM
For what it's worth, I'm about 90% sure that AutumnWind = GROB, so it's entirely possible that he's really a Broncos fan pretending to be a Raiders fan. That would make more sense in terms of why he continually talks smack even when the Raiders are in the tank.

Finding out that there isn't a Raiders fan this stupid who posts to ChiefsPlanet is like finding out there isn't a Santa Claus.

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:46 PM
Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.Well, shit.

He seemed cool for a minute.

Makes sense though, you know that retard is a HUGE "Dukes of Hazard" fan.

unothadeal
12-19-2008, 10:48 PM
Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.

ROFL

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:48 PM
Finding out that there isn't a Raiders fan this stupid who posts to ChiefsPlanet is like finding out there isn't a Santa Claus.Agreed.

DaFace
12-19-2008, 10:49 PM
Well, shit.

He seemed cool for a minute.

He's pretty easy to find these days. n00bs don't jump right in the same day they register and start posting like they know everyone. A quick IP check or "other means" confirms it.

Buehler445
12-19-2008, 10:50 PM
Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.

So it's the old bait and switch huh?

I'm going to find all his other posts and neg rep him.

Is there a function you can install that auto-ban's his IP?

EDIT: Nevermind, you already shitcanned him.

KcMizzou
12-19-2008, 10:52 PM
He's pretty easy to find these days. n00bs don't jump right in the same day they register and start posting like they know everyone. A quick IP check or "other means" confirms it.Shhh... keep that on the down-low...

He'll learn your secret.

Other than the "other means", that is... :D

Nice work, as always, Face.

DaFace
12-19-2008, 10:52 PM
So it's the old bait and switch huh?

I'm going to find all his other posts and neg rep him.

Is there a function you can install that auto-ban's his IP?

Na, he uses AOL a lot (dynamic IP) and knows a few proxies, so I can't get rid of him without getting rid of a bunch of other AOL users.

DaFace
12-19-2008, 10:56 PM
Shhh... keep that on the down-low...

He'll learn your secret.

Other than the "other means", that is... :D

Nice work, as always, Face.

Eh, I've got his approach down pretty well lately. He slipped under the radar with Hermcock, but other than that he's been gone pretty quickly.

He's an odd case. He's actually not that bad in 90% of his posts, but when you have a track record of posting racial slurs and porn, it's hard to let him last long.

Spicy McHaggis
12-19-2008, 11:24 PM
So the Raider fan comes in wanting to talk smack. Your franchise has had more colossal **** ups this year alone than the Chiefs have had the last decade.

The head coach debacle (again), a 1st round, double quarter pounder of a QB (with 6 less TD's than a certain guy from Coastal Carolina) and just how are Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall working out this season?

Yeah, you've got room to talk.

EyePod
12-19-2008, 11:31 PM
So the Raider fan comes in wanting to talk smack. Your franchise has had more colossal **** ups this year alone than the Chiefs have had the last decade.

The head coach debacle (again), a 1st round, double quarter pounder of a QB (with 6 less TD's than a certain guy from Coastal Carolina) and just how are Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall working out this season?

Yeah, you've got room to talk.

They also have been in 5 SB's and won 3 of them. It's consolation that they've been very putrid recently, but still.... they were in the super bowl 2003... We haven't even been there since the freaking merger.... *SIGH*

royr17
12-20-2008, 01:01 AM
No going too about it, he done already has.

POND_OF_RED
12-20-2008, 02:17 AM
What pick did you receive for Randy Moss?

royr17
12-20-2008, 02:56 AM
LT of the future, Legit Change of pace Back, possibly a safety who at worst is depth for this team vs. a Good pass rusher who didn't want to play for the team he was on and would've possibly been a locker room cancer if he had to play under the franchise tag....No contest we came out on top.

By the way Fallfart, how's Javon needsaWalker, and Deangleo Hell working out for ya? Nice waste of cap space Faidturd. ROFL

Yea how are those 2 working out for you, Mr. Javon "Crippled" Walker and Mr. Deangelo "Im worth more than Nate Clements" Hall doing ?

Big Chief Homer
12-20-2008, 05:30 AM
:DYea how are those 2 working out for you, Mr. Javon "Crippled" Walker and Mr. Deangelo "Im worth more than Nate Clements" Hall doing ?

Well ,ya know Deangelo Hall did have an int. last week...........



















for the redskins ROFL:D

Ultra Peanut
12-20-2008, 06:02 AM
Trade winner=Minnesotalol

whoman69
12-20-2008, 07:29 AM
Six seasons of 11 losses or more. Man I would have thought the Bungles or Aints did that. That's got to make those Raiduds fans proud to have that record.

BigChiefFan
12-20-2008, 07:47 AM
I've got to agree with the Raider trash on this one.

Short Leash Hootie
12-20-2008, 07:49 AM
Not me...we got a solid LTOTF, Charles will be a nice piece on our offense for years to come and who knows about Morgan...but we got all of that and we also didn't have to dish out a $30M guaranteed contract...Allen's an elite player but we got a stud LT and two other players for 1/4th the money.

Obviously we need a pass rush and hopefully our new GM will make that the #1 priority in the offseason.

BigMeatballDave
12-20-2008, 07:53 AM
I've got to agree with the Raider trash on this one.Then you are siding with a moron. We got a very good LT and Charles. Saved alot of money against the cap. Plus, Allen is a headcase.

Short Leash Hootie
12-20-2008, 08:03 AM
Then you are siding with a moron. We got a very good LT and Charles. Saved alot of money against the cap. Plus, Allen is a headcase.

Headcase? I don't think so. The dude never bitched (other than about his contract which I think he deserved) in KC and played friggin' HARD every game...and this year in Minnesota he has played through countless injuries and made another pro bowl and will probably have 16 or 17 sacks.

The dude is a flat out STUD and a top 5 DE in the league who looks as if he's conquered his drinking problem.

I still think we got great value out of him and with the money we saved by not giving him $30M guaranteed we can sign a high priced free agent so in reality we're getting Albert/Charles/Morgan/high priced free agent (if we sign one) for Allen.

BigChiefFan
12-20-2008, 08:03 AM
Then you are siding with a moron. We got a very good LT and Charles. Saved alot of money against the cap. Plus, Allen is a headcase.
So be it-we've been through this ad nauseum so I'll just leave it at that.

BigMeatballDave
12-20-2008, 08:23 AM
Headcase? I don't think so. He had legal issues. DUIs. Initially recieved a 4-game suspension, reduced to 2 games.

HemiEd
12-20-2008, 08:26 AM
Headcase? I don't think so. The dude never bitched (other than about his contract which I think he deserved) in KC and played friggin' HARD every game...and this year in Minnesota he has played through countless injuries and made another pro bowl and will probably have 16 or 17 sacks.

The dude is a flat out STUD and a top 5 DE in the league who looks as if he's conquered his drinking problem.

I still think we got great value out of him and with the money we saved by not giving him $30M guaranteed we can sign a high priced free agent so in reality we're getting Albert/Charles/Morgan/high priced free agent (if we sign one) for Allen.

I aprove of this message.

Short Leash Hootie
12-20-2008, 08:31 AM
He had legal issues. DUIs. Initially recieved a 4-game suspension, reduced to 2 games.

and he SWORE those issues were in his past and they never leaked onto the field...and Minnesota has a very conservative owner who had no problem giving up 3 picks and a MONSTER contract for the guy, so...

RINGLEADER
12-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Like a draft you can't really value this transaction now.

But if you presume that all the players involved continue to play as they did this season I think the Vikings end up with an "A" defensive end and the Chiefs end up with an "A-" or "B+" Left Tackle.

Cue the debate over whether or not a DE is more valuable than a LT.

Regardless, I think the Vikes got the better end of the deal (unless you factor in the reality that Jared Allen didn't want to play for the Chiefs anymore).

RINGLEADER
12-20-2008, 09:56 AM
and he SWORE those issues were in his past and they never leaked onto the field...and Minnesota has a very conservative owner who had no problem giving up 3 picks and a MONSTER contract for the guy, so...

Yeah, I agree. It was an issue but not a big one really.

Agent V
12-20-2008, 10:03 AM
And did we mention the Raiders suck?

Warrior5
12-20-2008, 10:27 AM
Do we need to say anything more than "Jamarcus Russell"?

Thread over.

Mr. Flopnuts
12-20-2008, 10:31 AM
Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

I guess when your team is in as sad of a state as the Raiders are, the only thing you have left is to analyze the every move of your rivals. I mean, with all of the Raiders failures over the last decade what's left?

Yep. We are missing JA, but no one thought we'd win this trade this year. It's kind of like when Al Davis let Jon Gruden walk away. He went to Tampa and proceeded to stick his dick down the Raiders collective throats. The good news for the Raiders is since he left..........oh wait. There is no good news. They've quickly devolved into the worst franchise in all of professional sports.

But yeah. You keep on telling us every spot we've went wrong. Frankly, it's a lot easier hearing it from you.

stevieray
12-20-2008, 10:33 AM
Allen didn't want to be here...

Damn, it's not rocket science.

Mr. Flopnuts
12-20-2008, 10:35 AM
Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.

Huh. Looks like Sandy was right. It was a bitch.

DaFace
12-20-2008, 10:35 AM
For what it's worth, I'm about 90% sure that AutumnWind = GROB, so it's entirely possible that he's really a Broncos fan pretending to be a Raiders fan. That would make more sense in terms of why he continually talks smack even when the Raiders are in the tank.

In case you missed it....

StcChief
12-20-2008, 11:10 AM
Like a draft you can't really value this transaction now.

But if you presume that all the players involved continue to play as they did this season I think the Vikings end up with an "A" defensive end and the Chiefs end up with an "A-" or "B+" Left Tackle.

Cue the debate over whether or not a DE is more valuable than a LT.

Regardless, I think the Vikes got the better end of the deal (unless you factor in the reality that Jared Allen didn't want to play for the Chiefs anymore).exactly.... check back end of 2010-2011 season.... by then we will know.

JohnnyV13
12-20-2008, 04:05 PM
Well....think about this issue. How much better would the Chiefs be had they drafted Albert at 5 and then kept Jared Allen. Allen would have had a huge impact on our defensive performance, and this team could very well have won 7 or more games with him in the lineup.

Of course, the long term value=getting rid of Herm and Carl, getting Albert, Charles, Morgan AND free agents (if we do use that cap room), is pretty damn high.

whoman69
12-20-2008, 06:07 PM
I have no problem with moving Allen except there wasn't a plan in place to fill his spot. Tamba Hali was clearly out of position on that side, and having a DT fill in on the other side is not exactly panning out either. Besides an awful scheme that were running as well, this team went into this year with very predictable results. We don't have enough cover personnel to blitz, and that leaves huge gaps in the cover 2 anyway.

Short Leash Hootie
12-20-2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah, I agree. It was an issue but not a big one really.

It was a total double standard by Carl Peterson...

If Jared was such a risk, why did LJ get $20M guaranteed?

OnTheWarpath58
12-20-2008, 06:18 PM
It was a total double standard by Carl Peterson...

If Jared was such a risk, why did LJ get $20M guaranteed?

Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.

Short Leash Hootie
12-20-2008, 06:22 PM
Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.

Ok, ok...

But the TOUGH NOSED commish obviously had enough faith in JA to reduce his suspension...and the dude flat out got into shape and claimed drinking was a thing of his past...you're telling me Carl couldn't trust a guy who had produced and played pedal to the medal every game he had ever been a Chief?

Look...I'm totally content with the package we received in return for Allen...but everyone on this board knows his troubles are a thing of the past...they're just desperately holding onto them because Allen was the best thing to hit this franchise since DT/TG. An elite player with a superstar personality.

But like I said...Albert/Charles/Morgan/money to sign an A list free agent is a good deal for an elite DE.

OnTheWarpath58
12-20-2008, 06:51 PM
Ok, ok...

But the TOUGH NOSED commish obviously had enough faith in JA to reduce his suspension...and the dude flat out got into shape and claimed drinking was a thing of his past...you're telling me Carl couldn't trust a guy who had produced and played pedal to the medal every game he had ever been a Chief?

Look...I'm totally content with the package we received in return for Allen...but everyone on this board knows his troubles are a thing of the past...they're just desperately holding onto them because Allen was the best thing to hit this franchise since DT/TG. An elite player with a superstar personality.

But like I said...Albert/Charles/Morgan/money to sign an A list free agent is a good deal for an elite DE.

I'm sorry, but no, I don't think his troubles are a thing of the past.

As someone who has a family member who is an alcoholic, I know that you are NEVER cured.

He can say all the right things, but he'll ALWAYS be a risk because of his past.

BigMeatballDave
12-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.Not to mention the fact that LJ is/was Carl's baby.

Chiefs=Good
12-20-2008, 09:37 PM
You go for Oakland= EPIC FAIL

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 05:29 PM
LT of the future, Legit Change of pace Back, possibly a safety who at worst is depth for this team vs. a Good pass rusher who didn't want to play for the team he was on and would've possibly been a locker room cancer if he had to play under the franchise tag....No contest we came out on top.

By the way Fallfart, how's Javon needsaWalker, and Deangleo Hell working out for ya? Nice waste of cap space Faidturd. ROFL

This was the winner of the rationalization post of the year. The Queefs got taken on that trade. Winner Minnesota.

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 05:31 PM
Headcase? I don't think so. The dude never bitched (other than about his contract which I think he deserved) in KC and played friggin' HARD every game...and this year in Minnesota he has played through countless injuries and made another pro bowl and will probably have 16 or 17 sacks.

The dude is a flat out STUD and a top 5 DE in the league who looks as if he's conquered his drinking problem.

I still think we got great value out of him and with the money we saved by not giving him $30M guaranteed we can sign a high priced free agent so in reality we're getting Albert/Charles/Morgan/high priced free agent (if we sign one) for Allen.

Only normal post in all of that. So KC didn't want to pay him but they give more money to a 5 technique DE that never has played a down in the NFL?

nychief
08-17-2009, 05:34 PM
the problem is JA can't play QB. So... minny eat a bag of dicks. they are wasting two great players AP and JA.

Reaper16
08-17-2009, 05:35 PM
Only normal post in all of that. So KC didn't want to pay him but they give more money to a 5 technique DE that never has played a down in the NFL?
The Chiefs are an entirely different organization now.

TEX
08-17-2009, 05:47 PM
Moving JA was one of the dumbest things the Chiefs have done recently. I was against the trade then, and still think the Vikings got the better end of the deal. My take was that good DE's are very hard to get - "game changers" like JA are even herder - and JA was young and would likely be around for many years. The bottom line was the Chiefs were not gonn pay LJ and Allen. It was just CRAZY to pay LJ, who would not contribute for as long as Allen would, but $hit happens...

MoreLemonPledge
08-17-2009, 06:05 PM
The Chiefs are an entirely different organization now.

This. Different leadership, different scheme. Why the fuck was this even bumped? Completely irrelevant.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 06:08 PM
Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.


Given the teams new defensive scheme, frankly, it is great the Chiefs didn't lock him up.

Brandon Albert has a chance to be a HOF LT. I am okay with the trade.

allen_kcCard
08-17-2009, 06:09 PM
There were mistakes before JA was traded that caused it, but at least we have something of value to show for it still on the team, and the person that caused it all is gone.

Marcellus
08-17-2009, 06:18 PM
There were mistakes before JA was traded that caused it, but at least we have something of value to show for it still on the team, and the person that caused it all is gone.

QFT. Carl fucking Peterson screwed it all up and now he gone.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2009, 06:22 PM
who got the better CABLE or ASST. COACH? methinks autumn is deflecting with this bump

KCrockaholic
08-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Albert, Charles, and Morgan > unhappy Jared Allen....Its easy to figure out. If we didnt have Albert we would have who at LT? Sackintosh? Our #2 HB would be Jackie Battle. I would much rather have Brandon Albert. Allen doesnt fit in a 3-4 anyways.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2009, 06:34 PM
Albert, Charles, and Morgan > unhappy Jared Allen....Its easy to figure out. If we didnt have Albert we would have who at LT? Sackintosh? Our #2 HB would be Jackie Battle. I would much rather have Brandon Albert. Allen doesnt fit in a 3-4 anyways.

dude, battle MIGHT already be our #2. whats wrong with that? he's looking good

Rain Man
08-17-2009, 06:43 PM
who got the better CABLE or ASST. COACH? methinks autumn is deflecting with this bump


Our coach can beat up his coach. Maybe.

JASONSAUTO
08-17-2009, 07:01 PM
Our coach can beat up his coach. Maybe.

haley so crazy....

-King-
08-17-2009, 07:18 PM
A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 07:20 PM
A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

-King-
08-17-2009, 07:21 PM
Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

So what do you call Albert?

KCrockaholic
08-17-2009, 07:26 PM
Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

AutumnWind would rather have a franchise DE than a franchise QB...But wait they do!!! JaMarcus, to da paddle boat!

Brock
08-17-2009, 07:31 PM
Albert, Charles, and Morgan > unhappy Jared Allen....Its easy to figure out. If we didnt have Albert we would have who at LT? Sackintosh? Our #2 HB would be Jackie Battle. I would much rather have Brandon Albert. Allen doesnt fit in a 3-4 anyways.

You don't think Allen would still be the best player on this defense, no matter the system? Please. It was just another retarded Carl Peterson deal, that's all.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 07:41 PM
A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

-King-
08-17-2009, 08:01 PM
Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

Valiant
08-17-2009, 08:22 PM
Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Really?? DT got to AFC championship once and that was because of a franchise QB...

Valiant
08-17-2009, 08:25 PM
Moving JA was one of the dumbest things the Chiefs have done recently. I was against the trade then, and still think the Vikings got the better end of the deal. My take was that good DE's are very hard to get and JA was young and would likely be around for many years. The bottom line was the Chiefs were not gonn pay LJ and Allen. It was just CRAZY to pay LJ, who would not contribute for as long as Allen would, but $hit happens...

Not really Jared's MO for the Chiefs was great player, but drunk outside of it who has had 3 dwi's... I think a change of scenery was the only thing saving him from another one and a year suspension..

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 08:25 PM
So what do you call Albert?

An unproven commodity.

OctoberFart
08-17-2009, 08:26 PM
AutumnWind would rather have a franchise DE than a franchise QB...But wait they do!!! JaMarcus, to da paddle boat!

Really? Where did I say that?

aturnis
08-17-2009, 08:26 PM
Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

I can't tell, but I do think LT is a little overrated.

QB
DE
LT

Great D starts with good run D, followed by a good pass rush. On most teams, the bulk of the pass rush production comes mostly from one DE. Jared Allen is a crazy good pass rusher who could also play the run. He truly is a guy who accomplishes what he puts his mind to.

Coach
08-17-2009, 08:31 PM
At the same time, JA is one DUI away for a year long suspension, IIRC. If not, at least 8 games minimum, since he already did what, the 4 game, which was reduced to two? Something like that?

Either way, Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

Absolutely not.

James Harrison. Michael Strahan. Dwight Freeney. Joey Porter. What do they all have in common? Oh yeah, franchise pass rushers. And all Super Bowl winners.

Go back to the 90's with Charles Haley, who rushed the passer for the 49ers and Cowboys.

If you're going to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL, you need a franchise pass rusher, period.

A franchise left tackle is optional.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Either way, Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

sedated
08-17-2009, 08:36 PM
Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

DJ's left nut
08-17-2009, 08:37 PM
In a playmaker's league, DE has become the 2nd most important position on the field.

The Chiefs D went from being roughly average to being a laughinstock, one of the 2 worst in the league, despite upgrading or staying the same at every position that wasn't Jared Allen.

Did nobody see last season? And yet they still want to undervalue a franchise DE?

We were worse off for this deal. Did we lose it? Well not really b/c our ****wit GM forced us to do it and we did as well as you have any right to hope for. However, all that did was mitigate the damage. Anyone arguing otherwise really does just look like a homer.

P.S. It's also pretty critical to remember that most folks had the Chiefs taking Albert at the 5 if they didn't get that deal done. So if you consider the trade Allen for Dorsey, it looks WAY shitter and probably more accurate than Allen for Albert.

Don't try to polish this turd, fellas. You'll just get your hands dirty.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:38 PM
Really?? DT got to AFC championship once and that was because of a franchise QB...

The discussion is about franchise left tackles versus franchise pass rushers.

The QB position doesn't apply in this scenario.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:41 PM
In a playmaker's league, DE has become the 2nd most important position on the field.

The Chiefs D went from being roughly average to being a laughinstock, one of the 2 worst in the league, despite upgrading or staying the same at every position that wasn't Jared Allen.

Did nobody see last season? And yet they still want to undervalue a franchise DE?

We were worse off for this deal. Did we lose it? Well not really b/c our ****wit GM forced us to do it and we did as well as you have any right to hope for. However, all that did was mitigate the damage. Anyone arguing otherwise really does just look like a homer.

P.S. It's also pretty critical to remember that most folks had the Chiefs taking Albert at the 5 if they didn't get that deal done. So if you consider the trade Allen for Dorsey, it looks WAY shitter and probably more accurate than Allen for Albert.

Don't try to polish this turd, fellas. You'll just get your hands dirty.

Considering the fact that the Chiefs could have started Herb Taylor last year (who subbed for Albert with absolutely no apparent drop off), the Chiefs would have been far better off keeping Allen and starting Herb. Hell, Richardson played well at left tackle Saturday night.

Good, young left tackles just aren't as scarce as in recent years.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 08:41 PM
So far I have to admit, Minnesota has got the best end out of the deal.

The way I see it,

Charles=slipping on depth chart, no good

Morgan=slipping on depth chart, also no good

Our hope so far is Albert. Played well his first season. Can he be a probowler? thats the key, if he can do that, this trade will workout for both sides. If not, then Minny wins this deal. I like Albert and I think he is gonna need 3 years to develop. it takes time for LTs to come in and develop into really good players. So I think only time will tell. But I think Albert has a way to go before we can label him as a future probowl LT.

*Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door!

It sucks. We witness it all the time. Gonzo was an example. We had two really good pieces in place, and got rid of them because they wanted out. So now were forced to build over again! Oh well.

aturnis
08-17-2009, 08:45 PM
Personally, I think the most important pieces for the Chiefs to add in next years draft will be a STUD pass rushing OLB and a stud NT.

Next, a legit #2 WR.

Followed by Olineman and LB's for everyone!

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:47 PM
Personally, I think the most important pieces for the Chiefs to add in next years draft will be a STUD pass rushing OLB and a stud NT.

Next, a legit #2 WR.

Followed by Olineman and LB's for everyone!

They're going to need to add those guys anyway and in any order possible. There are just far too many holes on this team for them to compete for a playoff spot and won't until they have them filled.

Coach
08-17-2009, 08:48 PM
Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:51 PM
Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks? LMAO

Max Starks is a fucking bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

Valiant
08-17-2009, 08:52 PM
The discussion is about franchise left tackles versus franchise pass rushers.

The QB position doesn't apply in this scenario.

You said franchise pass rushers win super bowls.. DT proves they do not.. JA and the studded defense of the Vikings fared no better..


Actually it takes a whole lot more then DE, OL.. Your guys bickering points are pointless..

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:53 PM
You said franchise pass rushers win super bowls.. DT proves they do not.. JA and the studded defense of the Vikings fared no better..


Actually it takes a whole lot more then DE, OL.. Your guys bickering points are pointless..

You're a fucking moron.

Name a me a team that won the fucking Super Bowl that didn't have an outstanding pass rusher. A guy (or guys) that offenses had to game plan for each and every week.

You're not going to win SHIT in the NFL these days without an outstanding pass rusher.

Period.

aturnis
08-17-2009, 08:54 PM
*Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door!

I think we can blame Herm. We all know he got himself quite a bit of power over personnel moves, and pushed for the trade so he could have his "one glorious draft". His possible saving grace. Look how that turned out. Most of his players aren't doing so well.

Also, the league creates the players authority. Teams have let it be known that if a player is a workplace cancer, they do not care as long as it gives them a chance at a Superbowl. How many fields of work do you know of that don't care about bad references on your work history?

RedThat
08-17-2009, 08:54 PM
Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks? LMAO

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

Coogs
08-17-2009, 08:57 PM
In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 08:58 PM
I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 08:58 PM
Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Yeah, DT has all those rings.... or wasn't he a franchise pass rusher?

Coach
08-17-2009, 08:59 PM
wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

May I remind you that Jordan Black was once our starting LT, and our offense was considered one of the worst offense in the NFL?

I-65 is open for oncoming traffic.

May I also remind you that Damion McGinatosh was once the LT of this team, and he got abused more than a hooker got abused from her pimp?

First I think Albert is really good. He had one penalty last year. How many sacks has he allowed last year? 2? And he was only a rookie.

aturnis
08-17-2009, 09:01 PM
A decent LT will suffice. Doesn't need to be all world. We all know defense wins championships, and a stud DE is the most important part of a stud defense. I'm done arguing, not wasting my time.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:02 PM
Yeah, DT has all those rings.... or wasn't he a franchise pass rusher?

His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

aturnis
08-17-2009, 09:02 PM
More than 2 I believe.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 09:03 PM
You don't think Allen would still be the best player on this defense, no matter the system? Please. It was just another retarded Carl Peterson deal, that's all.

No. Allen is worse in coverage than Hali is. Playing him at 3-4 End would be a total waste of his talent.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 09:05 PM
His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

I put that fucking abortion of a forum member on ignore.

I wish he'd stop posting and go back to fucking tranny's.

NTTATWWT.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:07 PM
"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

That all comes down to balance.

why didn't the Chiefs win? well, many could argue that in the 90's they had John Alt yes, great defense yes, but, Marty schottenheimer couldn't win because he was so damn conservative and predictable on offense, afraid to take risks which is always a bad thing because that does nothing but make the oppositions job alot easier and knowing what youre gonna do.

Very few conservative teams win. In the playoffs it usually ends up being a bad thing.

Same thing about Vermeils teams. willie roaf heck of player, john tait solid player. great offenses..but why didn't we win? because the defenses were terrible. we couldnt stop anyone worth a damn. conservative defenses, "bend but don't break"..."Play back so we don't give up the big play"...."give the teams what they can get underneath, and hope for a turnover."

*Again, it comes down to balance. You still have to be pretty solid at every position, and things gotta be "right"

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 09:07 PM
His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

Honestly, because I think he is a clueless pr!ck who tries to shout down other people with different opinions.

His point isn't valid.

Assuming that the QB is the most important position on a team.... the reality is that a player that protects your QB is every bit as important as a player who rushes the opposing QB.

He's just too used to watching Chiefs QB's that aren't worth protecting.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-17-2009, 09:08 PM
I put that ****ing abortion of a forum member on ignore.

I wish he'd stop posting and go back to ****ing tranny's.

NTTATWWT.

I guess your dad is lonely?

Valiant
08-17-2009, 09:10 PM
You're a ****ing moron.

Name a me a team that won the ****ing Super Bowl that didn't have an outstanding pass rusher. A guy (or guys) that offenses had to game plan for each and every week.

You're not going to win SHIT in the NFL these days without an outstanding pass rusher.

Period.

Yep, your right that one individually player won the championship you ignorant douchebag..

Douche mccloud "franchise pass rusher > franchise QB"

Fucking dumb ass... I like how you down-graded franchise pass rusher to just outstanding to try and win a point..

New England has never had a franchise Pass Rusher during their runs.. Just a dominant defense overall.. No JA or DT type player that you said is required to be there, but of course you will spin this some how like you always do because you are in fact a franchise douche bag..

Think I will go download some movies to piss the industry off and lose Dane some money..

Coach
08-17-2009, 09:11 PM
Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks? LMAO

Max Starks is a fucking bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess Jonathan Odgen isn't considered a "Franchise" LT in your own words?

Oh, and check your facts. Matt Light was a 2nd rounder, 48th pick overall.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 09:12 PM
That all comes down to balance.

why didn't the Chiefs win? well, many could argue that in the 90's they had John Alt yes, great defense yes, but, Marty schottenheimer couldn't win because he was so damn conservative and predictable on offense, afraid to take risks which is always a bad thing because that does nothing but make the oppositions job alot easier and knowing what youre gonna do.

Very few conservative teams win. In the playoffs it usually ends up being a bad thing.

Same thing about Vermeils teams. willie roaf heck of player, john tait solid player. great offenses..but why didn't we win? because the defenses were terrible. we couldnt stop anyone worth a damn. conservative defenses, "bend but don't break"..."Play back so we don't give up the big play"...."give the teams what they can get underneath, and hope for a turnover."

*Again, it comes down to balance. You still have to be pretty solid at every position, and things gotta be "right"

It's going to be extremely difficult to win in the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl, without at least one game-changing defensive player.

Look across the league, from the Ravens to the Giants to the Steelers and so on. All of these teams have a Franchise QB, a good left tackle and a guy(s) that teams have to game plan for each and every week.

People here quote the Dolphins & Falcons success last year and hope the Chiefs can emulate that success. The problem is that both Miami & Atlanta had a guy that put up in excess of 16 sacks.

The Chiefs don't have that and until they have one or two guys that put up double digits, they won't compete for a Super Bowl.

Valiant
08-17-2009, 09:13 PM
"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

Yeah, so they had best of both worlds and still could not do it you ignorant twit.. That does not go both ways, it only hurts your point.. It still took a franchise QB to get them to the afc championship game..

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:13 PM
He's just too used to watching Chiefs QB's that aren't worth protecting.

And the counter-argument is that Chiefs fans are too used to nutting themselves over O-line play, to the point of utter stupidity.

For example, how many people argued that we should take a RT, a right motherfucking tackle, with the #3 overall pick?

Here's the bottom line, if you get one LT and one pass rusher and you know that one can be only serviceable and one can be elite, the choice should be obvious: an elite pass rusher is a game changer, whereas an elite LT is a luxury.

As milkman has said several times, give me a franchise QB and a top ten D, and I'll show you a successful team.

Coach
08-17-2009, 09:14 PM
"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

Well, the Chiefs had Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, and a great defense, they never won either.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess Jonathan Odgen isn't considered a "Franchise" LT in your own words?

The Ravens could have had just about anyone at left tackle that year. The defense set a record for points scored.

Oh, and check your facts. Matt Light was a 2nd rounder, 48th pick overall.

My bad.

I still don't view him as a "Franchise Left Tackle". He's good, he's solid and he's reliable.

But he's not a "Franchise" guy.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Yep, your right that one individually player won the championship you ignorant douchebag..

Douche mccloud "franchise pass rusher > franchise QB"

****ing dumb ass... I like how you down-graded franchise pass rusher to just outstanding to try and win a point..

New England has never had a franchise Pass Rusher during their runs.. Just a dominant defense overall.. No JA or DT type player that you said is required to be there, but of course you will spin this some how like you always do because you are in fact a franchise douche bag..

Think I will go download some movies to piss the industry off and lose Dane some money..

I'll always say, and I won't exclude the importance of any position in football, to be a world champion in football, you have to have all the elements in place.

Your team has to be well balanced and solid on both sides of the ball. And you have to have solid players at all positions.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Well, the Chiefs had Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, and a great defense, they never won either.

No QB.

With few exceptions, a team needs a franchise QB.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Yeah, so they had best of both worlds and still could not do it you ignorant twit.. That does not go both ways, it only hurts your point.. It still took a franchise QB to get them to the afc championship game..

No one said that you could win a Super Bowl without a Franchise QB, numbnuts. Especially in today's NFL.

As matter of fact, I've been arguing that (as have a few others) this fucking entire offseason.

And there are some motherfucking dumbshit members that don't think that Roethlisber is a "Franchise QB".

Unbelievable.

Coach
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
The Ravens could have had just about anyone at left tackle that year. The defense set a record for points scored.



My bad.

I still don't view him as a "Franchise Left Tackle". He's good, he's solid and he's reliable.

But he's not a "Franchise" guy.

Well, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that Matt Light is a franchise LT. The fact that he was the starting LT in 12 of the 14 games in his rookie year, the year where NE had 112.2 yards per game.

He was part of offensive line at left tackle that led the way for 133 yards on 25 carries (5.3 average) in the Patriots 20-17 victory in Super Bowl XXXVI over the St. Louis Rams. He was named to the Football News 2001 NFL All-Rookie Team in 2001.

In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he was instrumental in the Patriots' success against the Carolina Panthers' pass rush; the Patriots did not allow a sack to a very effective defensive line that featured Kris Jenkins, Mike Rucker, Brentson Buckner and Julius Peppers.

I just think he doesn't get the recongition that he deserves to get to be considered one of the top LT's in today's football.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
No one said that you could win a Super Bowl without a Franchise QB, numbnuts. Especially in today's NFL.

As matter of fact, I've been arguing that (as have a few others) this ****ing entire offseason.

And there are some mother****ing dumbshit members that don't think that Roethlisberger is a "Franchise QB".

Unbelievable.

If I could start an expansion team today and select one player off of any team, Roethlisberger might well be my selection.

Coach
08-17-2009, 09:19 PM
No QB.

With few exceptions, a team needs a franchise QB.

That, and we didn't really have a "great playoff" coach on top of it.

Still though, had things been different, the 95 or 97 Chiefs team would had been the exception to the rule.

I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:21 PM
That, and we didn't really have a "great playoff" coach on top of it.

Still though, had things been different, the 95 or 97 Chiefs team would had been the exception to the rule.

I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

I really think the '95 team could have and should have won the whole fucking thing.

That was a team that had the defensive capabilities of matching up against Dallas.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:24 PM
It's going to be extremely difficult to win in the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl, without at least one game-changing defensive player.

Look across the league, from the Ravens to the Giants to the Steelers and so on. All of these teams have a Franchise QB, a good left tackle and a guy(s) that teams have to game plan for each and every week.

People here quote the Dolphins & Falcons success last year and hope the Chiefs can emulate that success. The problem is that both Miami & Atlanta had a guy that put up in excess of 16 sacks.

The Chiefs don't have that and until they have one or two guys that put up double digits, they won't compete for a Super Bowl.

won't disagree with you there Dane. we had that kinda player in JA but he wanted out. I won't blame the Chiefs for losing JA, because i understand it's the nature of the business, sometimes players can become unhappy and want out.

we have no other choice but to rebuild again, and hope Pioli and co..can find that "game changing type of player", especially on defense because i can't find anybody on this current roster thats capable of doing that. Its gonna take time, alot of patience, and some luck. We could use some of that to come our way. This team is rebuilding and its project that is currently under construction as we speak. Lets just be grateful we hired a man in Scott pioli who came from a winning organization and is capable of doing the job imo. Best move Chiefs made imo.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Well, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that Matt Light is a franchise LT. The fact that he was the starting LT in 12 of the 14 games in his rookie year, the year where NE had 112.2 yards per game.

He was part of offensive line at left tackle that led the way for 133 yards on 25 carries (5.3 average) in the Patriots 20-17 victory in Super Bowl XXXVI over the St. Louis Rams. He was named to the Football News 2001 NFL All-Rookie Team in 2001.

In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he was instrumental in the Patriots' success against the Carolina Panthers' pass rush; the Patriots did not allow a sack to a very effective defensive line that featured Kris Jenkins, Mike Rucker, Brentson Buckner and Julius Peppers.

I just think he doesn't get the recongition that he deserves to get to be considered one of the top LT's in today's football.

Oh I agree. Matt light is a very underrated OT. He deserves some consideration imo to be classified in the "top 10" Ot's in the game.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
That, and we didn't really have a "great playoff" coach on top of it.

Still though, had things been different, the 95 or 97 Chiefs team would had been the exception to the rule.

I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

totally wasnt meant to be.

as much as i dont think marty is the right coach to have in the playoffs, i must admit he does experience alot of misfortune. things that happen that are beyond his control.

i.e., Byner fumbling on the Denver 2 yard line in the 86 playoffs, elliot missing 3 FGs in the 95 playoffs.

oh well i guess when you dont win, you really dont have any luck to go with it either. When it rains, it can pour.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 09:35 PM
totally wasnt meant to be.

as much as i dont think marty is the right coach to have in the playoffs, i must admit he does experience alot of misfortune. things that happen that are beyond his control.

i.e., Byner fumbling on the Denver 2 yard line in the 86 playoffs, elliot missing 3 FGs in the 95 playoffs.

oh well i guess when you dont win, you really dont have any luck to go with it either. When it rains, it can pour.

Losing to Herm Edwards in overtime in your home stadium is more embarrassing than any defeat he ever suffered.

That was probably the most painful playoff game I've ever watched. Two coaches that coached the game "not to lose".

Pathetic.

RedThat
08-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Losing to Herm Edwards in overtime in your home stadium is more embarrassing than any defeat he ever suffered.

That was probably the most painful playoff game I've ever watched. Two coaches that coached the game "not to lose".

Pathetic.

When he lost to Herm in the playoffs, that pretty much is the icing on the cake that he isnt the coach to have in the playoffs. lol

sorry marty.

Coach
08-17-2009, 09:50 PM
If I could start an expansion team today and select one player off of any team, Roethlisberger might well be my selection.

Without Question. I would consider Drew Brees up there as well.

DeezNutz
08-17-2009, 09:56 PM
Without Question. I would consider Drew Brees up there as well.

Too old and too small.

Great QB.

But my next choice might be Rivers.

Coach
08-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Too old and too small.

Great QB.

But my next choice might be Rivers.

Too old? I wasn't aware that 30 years old was considered "Too Old." If that's too old, then I'd be curious to see what is Kurt Warner is....

While he is a tad undersized, you cannot question his skills. It's difficult to imagine any QB playing better than Brees did last year. He came within 1 long completion of breaking Marino's record of 5,084 passing yards in a season. He also lead the league in 4 passing categories and ranked in the top 4 of four others. And all of this with most of his primary weapons sidelined with injuries for significan stretches.

His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

DaneMcCloud
08-17-2009, 10:08 PM
His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

IMO, Drew Brees is Trent Green, Jake Delhomme and Mark Brunnel.

And unfortunately, those guys don't win the Super Bowl.

ClevelandBronco
08-18-2009, 02:04 AM
...Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if a lot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations...

Jay Cutler.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-18-2009, 05:16 AM
And the counter-argument is that Chiefs fans are too used to nutting themselves over O-line play, to the point of utter stupidity.

For example, how many people argued that we should take a RT, a right mother****ing tackle, with the #3 overall pick?

Here's the bottom line, if you get one LT and one pass rusher and you know that one can be only serviceable and one can be elite, the choice should be obvious: an elite pass rusher is a game changer, whereas an elite LT is a luxury.

As milkman has said several times, give me a franchise QB and a top ten D, and I'll show you a successful team.


A top ten defense is more than just a pass rusher.

And, to be fair, the Pats have had great teams without a great pass rusher.

As others have pointed out, it is about balance.

The good news is that it is easier to find good pass rushers in the 3-4..... so, douche fartcloud should be happy soon.

Chiefnj2
08-18-2009, 07:21 AM
You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-18-2009, 07:38 AM
You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.

In the end, Dorsey fits this scheme better than Allen would. And, the Chiefs got Albert.

DeezNutz
08-18-2009, 07:38 AM
Too old? I wasn't aware that 30 years old was considered "Too Old." If that's too old, then I'd be curious to see what is Kurt Warner is....

While he is a tad undersized, you cannot question his skills. It's difficult to imagine any QB playing better than Brees did last year. He came within 1 long completion of breaking Marino's record of 5,084 passing yards in a season. He also lead the league in 4 passing categories and ranked in the top 4 of four others. And all of this with most of his primary weapons sidelined with injuries for significan stretches.

His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

I like Brees a lot. Loved him coming out of college, and, prior to this last draft class, he was the last QB whom I really, really wanted the Chiefs to select.

So, I agree with most if not all of the qualities you've listed above. While he's not Manning or Brady, he's still damn good. It's just at this point in his career, he wouldn't be my choice.

I'd be looking for a little bit young guy, with more of a prototypical frame to withstand the abuse that what would almost certainly be a complete shit O-line would hand out.

Consistent1
08-18-2009, 07:47 AM
I like Brees a lot. Loved him coming out of college, and, prior to this last draft class, he was the last QB whom I really, really wanted the Chiefs to select.

So, I agree with most if not all of the qualities you've listed above. While he's not Manning or Brady, he's still damn good. It's just at this point in his career, he wouldn't be my choice.

I'd be looking for a little bit young guy, with more of a prototypical frame to withstand the abuse that what would almost certainly be a complete shit O-line would hand out.

Brees is a excellent QB whose skills would translate to pretty much any team/system. Your earlier point about taking Big Ben to start a team is kind of shaky to me. Yes, he is a proven. Yes, he has two rings. However, that D in Pitt is always tough (O-Line also) and they have a strong tradition. Outstanding player in many ways who is on the right team. Throw him on some team that needs to rack up the passing stats to stay in games and he wouldn't do quite as well IMO. I know this is an old thread and I didn't read all of it....the bottom line is that Allen is long gone and wanted it that way.

Chiefnj2
08-18-2009, 08:11 AM
In the end, Dorsey fits this scheme better than Allen would. And, the Chiefs got Albert.

There may have been no need to switch the scheme if you kept Allen and had a DL of Hali/Tyler/Dorsey/Allen.

Saying the Chiefs got Albert for Allen isn't the complete picture because KC still needs to replace Allen and find a pass rusher.

HemiEd
08-18-2009, 10:20 AM
You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.
Exactly, the JA deal still pisses me off. Also, I will always believe that Willie Roaf retired because of Herm Fucking Edwards idiocy towards the offense.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-18-2009, 10:48 AM
There may have been no need to switch the scheme if you kept Allen and had a DL of Hali/Tyler/Dorsey/Allen.

Saying the Chiefs got Albert for Allen isn't the complete picture because KC still needs to replace Allen and find a pass rusher.

If the Chiefs had not traded Allen, the Chiefs would not have drafted Dorsey. I would have been fine with that, they may have traded down... which would have been great.

But, if not, they would have taken Albert at #5.

I think that they would have wanted to go to a 3-4 regardless.

I know he had a good year last year, but you look at the talent beside him and I think he actually took a step back from where he was in 2006.

At the time, I didn't want the Chiefs to sign him.

I didn't want the Chiefs to sign LJ either. I think they were both high risk players.

Time will tell, but I still think this is the best for the Chiefs..especially given the new scheme.

Oh, and if the #5 draft pick last year wasn't enough to keep the scheme the same, I don't know that JA would have prevented it either.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-18-2009, 10:49 AM
Exactly, the JA deal still pisses me off. Also, I will always believe that Willie Roaf retired because of Herm ****ing Edwards idiocy towards the offense.

Willie Roaf actually blamed DV, believe it or not. He said at the time that if he hadn't had DV's difficult camps, he could have lasted a couple additional years.

OctoberFart
10-06-2009, 08:03 PM
LT of the future, Legit Change of pace Back, possibly a safety who at worst is depth for this team vs. a Good pass rusher who didn't want to play for the team he was on and would've possibly been a locker room cancer if he had to play under the franchise tag....No contest we came out on top.

ROFL

Full of Fail

Mr. Flopnuts
10-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Full of Fail

FULL. What do you expect though? We had to find a way to rationalize that bullshit somehow.

FAX
10-06-2009, 08:47 PM
There may have been no need to switch the scheme if you kept Allen and had a DL of Hali/Tyler/Dorsey/Allen. ...

Hmmm. That would have been a tough call for Pioli & Co.

You're probably right, though. Even though the justification for switching to the 3/4 was A) Haley's respect for the scheme as an OC and B) Pioli's supposed skill at finding players who can excel in the system, that could have been a very nice front 4. It would have made the decision to move to the 3/4 much more difficult.

Put some solid backers behind that line and you have the beginnings of a good defense ... at least on paper.

FAX

jidar
10-06-2009, 09:24 PM
Willie Roaf actually blamed DV, believe it or not. He said at the time that if he hadn't had DV's difficult camps, he could have lasted a couple additional years.

I don't believe that shit for a second.
Road hardly had to practice under DV

scott free
10-07-2009, 07:05 PM
I don't believe that shit for a second.
Road hardly had to practice under DV

You might need some ginseng or something, for your memory, jidar.