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milkman
12-21-2008, 11:04 AM
For those of you that want to see both hired in KC as GM and HC respectively, I think it highly improbable that you'll get both.

Pioloi is going to want total control of personnel decisions.
Bill Cowher will also.

If Pioli were to be hired, I don't see him hiring Cowher.

So the question is, given a choice, would you prefer Pioli as GM or Cowher as HC?

L.A. Chieffan
12-21-2008, 11:07 AM
Pioli x 1000000

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-21-2008, 11:10 AM
Cowher. Bring him home.

Spicy McHaggis
12-21-2008, 11:18 AM
Pioli

Buehler445
12-21-2008, 11:22 AM
Pioli without a doubt.

LiL stumppy
12-21-2008, 11:22 AM
Pio

Agent V
12-21-2008, 11:23 AM
Definitely Pioli.

Woodrow Call
12-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Give me Pioli with a young and hungry Head Coach. I have no interest in reliving past "glory" with Cowher or Marty.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Coward can stay the fuck away from KC... Let go of the losing past ladies!

nychief
12-21-2008, 11:34 AM
Pioli + spagnuolo

Dave Lane
12-21-2008, 11:36 AM
Pioli but both would work for me...

milkman
12-21-2008, 11:36 AM
Coward can stay the **** away from KC... Let go of the losing past ladies!

This question is really directed at those people who actually like the idea of Pioli and Cowher.

I knew where you would stand on this.

milkman
12-21-2008, 11:38 AM
Pioli but both would work for me...

That's the point.

I don't think there's any chance you get both.

Pioli is going to want to show that he has what it takes, and won't want to hire a coach who has already wrestled for control in his first stop.

nychief
12-21-2008, 11:39 AM
Coward can stay the **** away from KC... Let go of the losing past ladies!

what loser past are you speaking of? Cowher's 149-90 record, two AFC championships and one world championship? Or the kansas city chiefs?

eazyb81
12-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Pioli. No brainer to me. We need a shrewd talent evaluator.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 11:46 AM
This question is really directed at those people who actually like the idea of Pioli and Cowher.

I knew where you would stand on this.

Love the idea of Pioli....

Despise the idea of Mediocrity...

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 11:47 AM
what loser past are you speaking of? Cowher's 149-90 record, two AFC championships and one world championship? Or the kansas city chiefs?

The fact that up until Ben R was drafted and bucked the system in Pitt. Coward was nothing more than Marty Jr...

Thanks but no thanks, we need to move on and let the past go...

nychief
12-21-2008, 11:57 AM
The fact that up until Ben R was drafted and bucked the system in Pitt. Coward was nothing more than Marty Jr...

Thanks but no thanks, we need to move on and let the past go...

I've read this drivel here for awhile, and i want a young coach - spagnuolo -, that being said... it's idiotic rhetoric. Cowher took a team to the super bowl with Neil Odonnel... he won with Jim Miller, Bubby Brister and other terrible talents.. that is amazing... he only winning a super bowl with Rothislberger should not be held against him. It is like holding Brady against Belichek.

Do you consider Bilick a better coach than Cowher because he won with Dilfer?

bowener
12-21-2008, 12:00 PM
Pioli.

But I have a question for the more wise. Would Pioli keep Chan after this season? I am speculating since Pioli is coming from NE, that he likes to spread it out and wing it around, or at least run a "set up the run by passing" type of O. It seems that Chan has shown the ability to adapt to inept HCing and lesser talent to put together a good O that would have put up some pretty crazy numbers had they implemented this offense to start the season.

nychief
12-21-2008, 12:02 PM
Pioli.

But I have a question for the more wise. Would Pioli keep Chan after this season? I am speculating since Pioli is coming from NE, that he likes to spread it out and wing it around, or at least run a "set up the run by passing" type of O. It seems that Chan has shown the ability to adapt to inept HCing and lesser talent to put together a good O that would have put up some pretty crazy numbers had they implemented this offense to start the season.

doubt it. Pioli would drop everybody. I would see Gaily staying if Cowher got the job.

blueballs
12-21-2008, 12:02 PM
If talent can make Gun look like a genious
it's a slam dunk
Pioli

blueballs
12-21-2008, 12:03 PM
Even Herm wins play off games
with talent

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 12:04 PM
I've read this drivel here for awhile, and i want a young coach - spagnuolo -, that being said... it's idiotic rhetoric. Cowher took a team to the super bowl with Neil Odonnel... he won with Jim Miller, Bubby Brister and other terrible talents.. that is amazing... he only winning a super bowl with Rothislberger should not be held against him. It is like holding Brady against Belichek.

Do you consider Bilick a better coach than Cowher because he won with Dilfer?

It doesnt matter, if we ever want to step out of the shadows of nothing and become a player in the NFL, we need to let go of the fear that surrounds us and look outside the bush of Carl and Marty....

There are plenty of TREES out there to get a good young coach out of to rebuild this franchise that has fell flat on its face for the last 20 years.

Coward is just more of the same and lets just say no to mediocrity...

nychief
12-21-2008, 12:08 PM
It doesnt matter, if we ever want to step out of the shadows of nothing and become a player in the NFL, we need to let go of the fear that surrounds us and look outside the bush of Carl and Marty....

There are plenty of TREES out there to get a good young coach out of to rebuild this franchise that has fell flat on its face for the last 20 years.

Coward is just more of the same and lets just say no to mediocrity...



Cowher is not mediocre, is the point. As much as a enjoy direct building metaphors in regards to the "rebuilding" of the team... I still don't understand this argument.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 12:13 PM
Cowher is not mediocre, is the point. As much as a enjoy direct building metaphors in regards to the "rebuilding" of the team... I still don't understand this argument.

I am not sold on Cowher, its a matter of personal opinion. He was nothing special until he landed Big Ben and then you have a young talented QB and a HC that wanted to neuter his balls off out of fear...

I would just rather not relive the past out of fear of moving forward to something that might produce a championship...

doomy3
12-21-2008, 12:27 PM
I am not sold on Cowher, its a matter of personal opinion. He was nothing special until he landed Big Ben and then you have a young talented QB and a HC that wanted to neuter his balls off out of fear...

I would just rather not relive the past out of fear of moving forward to something that might produce a championship...


Your takes are outright terrible.

By this argument, all of these coaches are mediocre:

Belichick (Brady)
Dungy (Manning)
Reeves (Elway)
Shula (Griese, and the Marino)
Jimmy Johnson (Aikman)

By the way, I would say that Cowher won with the worst QB on this list, if that means anything.

To answer the question though, I guess I would vote Pioli, although he is not who I want as GM.

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-21-2008, 12:39 PM
Pioli. Duh. Other than the SB year, Cowhers teams in Pittsburgh always seemed to under-achieve.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 12:44 PM
Your takes are outright terrible.

By this argument, all of these coaches are mediocre:

Belichick (Brady)
Dungy (Manning)
Reeves (Elway)
Shula (Griese, and the Marino)
Jimmy Johnson (Aikman)

By the way, I would say that Cowher won with the worst QB on this list, if that means anything.

To answer the question though, I guess I would vote Pioli, although he is not who I want as GM.

Take it how you want...

I dont think I can be anymore clear... Its time to move forward, let go of the fear that only Marty/Cowher are the only ones out there than can build and win...

Why are you guys so scared to move forward? Seriously? What scares you about letting of the past and trying to build a championship team?

KChiefs1
12-21-2008, 12:51 PM
Pioli

doomy3
12-21-2008, 12:53 PM
Take it how you want...

I dont think I can be anymore clear... Its time to move forward, let go of the fear that only Marty/Cowher are the only ones out there than can build and win...

Why are you guys so scared to move forward? Seriously? What scares you about letting of the past and trying to build a championship team?

No one is scared to move forward, some just feel that Cowher will be the best HC option available this offseason. Many across the league would agree with that.

You act as if Cowher hasn't won anything. HE WON A SUPERBOWL.

Just because he happens to have ties to the Chiefs doesn't negate that. What makes him a bad candidate, other than your obvious hate for the Chiefs?

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:07 PM
No one is scared to move forward, some just feel that Cowher will be the best HC option available this offseason. Many across the league would agree with that.

You act as if Cowher hasn't won anything. HE WON A SUPERBOWL.

Just because he happens to have ties to the Chiefs doesn't negate that. What makes him a bad candidate, other than your obvious hate for the Chiefs?

What makes him a canidate that I wouldnt like, is he is not a fresh set of eyes.

And yes, just because I wont suck off Cowher, I hate the Chiefs as much as you do.... So how deep is your hate?

By the way, its just an opinion, just like yours.. No need to get your feelings hurt because I dont like Cowher... There are plenty of others that dont want him here either...

doomy3
12-21-2008, 01:12 PM
What makes him a canidate that I wouldnt like, is he is not a fresh set of eyes.

And yes, just because I wont suck off Cowher, I hate the Chiefs as much as you do.... So how deep is your hate?

By the way, its just an opinion, just like yours.. No need to get your feelings hurt because I dont like Cowher... There are plenty of others that dont want him here either...



I don't feel strongly one way or another about it really. If I was forced to make a decision right now, I would say I want Spags, but Cowher would not be a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination, and certainly isn't a lowlife coward like you have called him many times.

I understand that many others don't want him, but your need to throw out ridiculous shit just because you hate all things Chiefs is annoying as hell.

PastorMikH
12-21-2008, 01:12 PM
I'd rather have a young GM with the knowledge to build a winning team than an older HC that's had one.

The Pioli could build a team and stick around a long time, giving us many years of winning tradition. Cowher on the other hand IMO would probably be here 2-5 years and maybe his system works, maybe it doesn't. He's also been to the top and may lack the desire to push again with another team.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:14 PM
I don't feel strongly one way or another about it really. If I was forced to make a decision right now, I would say I want Spags, but Cowher would not be a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination, and certainly isn't a lowlife coward like you have called him many times.

I understand that many others don't want him, but your need to throw out ridiculous shit just because you hate all things Chiefs is annoying as hell.

:rolleyes:

Uh okay little man... It will be okay.....

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:15 PM
I'd rather have a young GM with the knowledge to build a winning team than an older HC that's had one.

The Pioli could build a team and stick around a long time, giving us many years of winning tradition. Cowher on the other hand IMO would probably be here 2-5 years and maybe his system works, maybe it doesn't. He's also been to the top and may lack the desire to push again with another team.

This....

DT58HOF
12-21-2008, 01:22 PM
What has Pioli done?
BiLL the Gnome has done the coaching and made all the decisions in New England over the years.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:24 PM
What has Pioli done?
BiLL the Gnome has done the coaching and made all the decisions in New England over the years.

Only thing you can say, he has been with a winning organization, hes young, driven to build his own winner....

And he is a fresh set of eyes for the future...

doomy3
12-21-2008, 01:25 PM
Only thing you can say, he has been with a winning organization, hes young, driven to build his own winner....

And he is a fresh set of eyes for the future...



Didn't win anything until they "stumbled" on Brady. Hasn't proven he can win without him.

That's the argument right?

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:26 PM
Didn't win anything until they "stumbled" on Brady. Hasn't proven he can win without him.

That's the argument right?

Actually dude, I havent figured out your arguement...

Hell I would take Chris Poilan as well... Or Marc Ross...

So its not all about Pioli....

PastorMikH
12-21-2008, 01:27 PM
What has Pioli done?
BiLL the Gnome has done the coaching and made all the decisions in New England over the years.


I'm not necesarily locked on him, but he has at least worked with someone that has enjoyed success, he's had to learn something along the way. I'd rather take a chance on someone that has been in a successful organization than take a chance on someone that's already failed at the job somewhere else.

MahiMike
12-21-2008, 01:29 PM
Pioli. I don't wanna go back to defensive ball. A "Fresh" start needs "Fresh" perspective.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:30 PM
I'm not necesarily locked on him, but he has at least worked with someone that has enjoyed success, he's had to learn something along the way. I'd rather take a chance on someone that has been in a successful organization than take a chance on someone that's already failed at the job somewhere else.

Well Cowher has succeeded and failed both. BUT, this is the future and the chance for Clark to make this his franchise....

I just want something fresh and new...

milkman
12-21-2008, 01:34 PM
What has Pioli done?
BiLL the Gnome has done the coaching and made all the decisions in New England over the years.

Pioli is in charge of the scouting, both on the pro and college levels.

He's the guy that pours over all the film and determines the players that Bellichick might want to sign or draft.

Bellichick makes the final decision, but Pioli does all the work when it comes ot player evaluation.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Pioli. I don't wanna go back to defensive ball. A "Fresh" start needs "Fresh" perspective.

This....

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Pioli is in charge of the scouting, both on the pro and college levels.

He's the guy that pours over all the film and determines the players that Bellichick might want to sign or draft.

Bellichick makes the final decision, but Pioli does all the work when it comes ot player evaluation.

Good post...

Deberg_1990
09-17-2012, 06:27 AM
I think the saddest part looking at old Pioli threads is just how “Hot” he was at the time. I mean, if he wouldn’t have gone to the Chiefs, he would have gone somewhere else eventually. Chiefs luck he turns into a disaster…….

:facepalm:

Bane
09-17-2012, 06:36 AM
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Guru
09-17-2012, 07:04 AM
I like Cowher but no. I don't want somebody serving as Head Coach AND GM.

bricks
09-17-2012, 07:07 AM
I would take Cowher as a head coach in a second.

CoMoChief
09-17-2012, 07:13 AM
Bill Cowher knows how to win...and would bring a toughness to this team that's been lacking for over a decade.

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 07:20 AM
How about Cowher as GM? And he can bring in a young HC as an understudy & be a teacher at the helm. Cowher would be a guy that actually draft a QB in the first round. Cowher would make this team tough as nails and pass his knowledge of the game to the HC.

I think Cowher would be more interested as the GM than HC.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:25 AM
Whatever happens going forward, Hunt is going to have to get his hands on the product. He is going to have to get involved. That's kind of what I was thinking in another thread when I suggested that maybe he should hire Marty as a personal advisor. Marty cared about this organization and he can be trusted.

I'm not implying that Marty run the organization by any means. I am just say that it would be good for Clark to have a guy in his corner that kept him from being manipulated. A guy that understands the game and the business.

Hunt has to be careful of allowing the GM too much control.

Hunt is basically Pioli's puppet. I am fairly certain that Pioli is a psychopath. I have worked for one and I see similarities. He fits the profile. If that's the case, Hunt is in charge of nothing. Hopefully, Hunt will see it one day but, there is a good chance that he won't.

This is a pretty good read on workplace psychopaths if you are interested.

http://www.cpa2biz.com/Content/media/PRODUCER_CONTENT/Newsletters/Articles_2009/Careers/HR_Strategies.jsp

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 07:31 AM
Whatever happens going forward, Hunt is going to have to get his hands on the product. He is going to have to get involved. That's kind of what I was thinking in another thread when I suggested that maybe he should hire Marty as a personal advisor. Marty cared about this organization and he can be trusted.

I'm not implying that Marty run the organization by any means. I am just say that it would be good for Clark to have a guy in his corner that kept him from being manipulated. A guy that understands the game and the business.

Hunt has to be careful of allowing the GM too much control.

Hunt is basically Pioli's puppet. I am fairly certain that Pioli is a psychopath. I have worked for one and I see similarities. He fits the profile. If that's the case, Hunt is in charge of nothing. Hopefully, Hunt will see it one day but, there is a good chance that he won't.

This is a pretty good read on workplace psychopaths if you are interested.

http://www.cpa2biz.com/Content/media/PRODUCER_CONTENT/Newsletters/Articles_2009/Careers/HR_Strategies.jsp

Marty is fucking OLD. He has had his time, he has nothing left to prove in the NFL.

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:35 AM
Marty is ****ing OLD. He has had his time, he has nothing left to prove in the NFL.

So basically you just want to let Clark pick out the next GM by himself again?

Is there another advisor that would be better? Parcells recently did it for Miami. Dan Reeves did it for Houston.

Hunt needs some help imo.

Ace Gunner
09-17-2012, 07:36 AM
Neither.

Reerun_KC
09-17-2012, 07:40 AM
FML, Cowher?

lets keep the retreads a coming...

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 07:41 AM
So basically you just want to let Clark pick out the next GM by himself again?

Is there another advisor that would be better? Parcells recently did it for Miami. Dan Reeves did it for Houston.

Hunt needs some help imo.

I never said for Clark to pick out the next GM himself. Don't put words in peoples post when they did not say them. I said Marty is OLD. So not him.

I would be ok with Cowher being our GM and let him pick out the coaches.

Other than that I am open to plenty of other GM canadates as they become the better options for us. I don't know who they could be at the moment.

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 07:48 AM
FML, Cowher?

lets keep the retreads a coming...

I'm sure there are better options than Cowher. Right now I don't know who they are. Clark will probably wait till the end of the season if he cans Pioli, so this discussion is going to grow over the season time.

I'd be much happy with a fresh aproach GM & Coach combo than retreads like you say. As long as they have the willingness and balls to draft a QB in the first round.

Reerun_KC
09-17-2012, 07:49 AM
I'm sure there are better options than Cowher. Right now I don't know who they are. Clark will probably wait till the end of the season if he cans Pioli, so this discussion is going to grow over the season time.

I'd be much happy with a fresh aproach GM & Coach combo than retreads like you say. As long as they have the willingness and balls to draft a QB in the first round.

Agreed.

KC Tattoo
09-17-2012, 07:51 AM
Agreed.

:thumb:

Spongeblack Bobtard
09-17-2012, 07:56 AM
I don't want retreads either. I just want Clark to get an advisor to teach him something. It's pretty obvious he's in way over his head. Hopefully, he won't be manipulated by the next GM.

Reerun_KC
09-17-2012, 08:28 AM
I don't want retreads either. I just want Clark to get an advisor to teach him something. It's pretty obvious he's in way over his head. Hopefully, he won't be manipulated by the next GM.

Link or anything to back up your statements?

or you just speculating and hoping it sticks?

Lightrise
09-17-2012, 08:32 AM
I cannot imagine with all the money they were prepared to give Manning that Hunt won't force a first round QB pick this year. I wish Hunt would just tell Pioli, new HC and new QB and I don't care who you pick. That would be progress...LOL

Hog Farmer
09-17-2012, 09:06 AM
This was a funny bump. I can't believe all the retards that have now infiltrated the planet. Piolis doing his fucking job douchebags, we have a good set of talented players. Now we need to get them gelling and motivated. Oh yeah, we need aDIFFERENT FUCKING QUARTERBACK TOO !

Detoxing
09-17-2012, 09:22 AM
Cowher.

At least a Cowher team will be tough, motivated and ready to smack someone in the face.

We may never win a SB, but at least we won't be embarrassed every week either.