Thigpen was terrible

[Mr. Laz]

i like the guy
i'm rooting for the guy


but he blew countless throws deep today and choke in the 4th quarter again.


:cuss:

[Fire Me Boy!]

Thigpen certainly had his problems today, but when your offense puts up 31 points, there is no reason you shouldn't win. None.

[Molitoth]

Yup, I like Thigpen.... but todays game was just awful. His decisions were bad, and his deep throws were worse.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Dont judge him on this game. He still deserves a couple more seasons so I dont think we should even draft a QB till 2012

[Deberg_1990]

OK, im convinced. Hes not "The Guy"


Lets try and draft a "True" Franchise QB.

[Kraus]

He still did a hell of a job this season for a rookie. I think he deserves another look next season.

[blueballs]

i like the guy
i'm rooting for the guy


but he blew countless throws deep today and choke in the 4th quarter again.


:cuss:

Well you still have the
Brownie camp out

to get a nother badge

[Mecca]

Thigpen certainly had his problems today, but when your offense puts up 31 points, there is no reason you shouldn't win. None.

Turning the ball over....

The guy is just wildly inaccurate.

[Micjones]

He definitely didn't play well today. And that's disappointing...
Especially when considering the fact that he really needed to have strong games the last 2 weeks of the year. Herman Edwards might not be here to give him that shot next year.

He was pretty bad today.

[JOhn]

i like the guy
i'm rooting for the guy


but he blew countless throws deep today and choke in the 4th quarter again.


:cuss:

Just curious how was the wind today, second coldest in history to boot?
:shake:

Geez, he's had 1/2 a season, and still put up 31 points? Not sure our offense is the problem

[Hammock Parties]

Racked up some nice yardage on jump balls and short throws.

Failed like usual.

[Mecca]

If he can't play from under center he'll be screwed with the next coaching staff anyway.

[Hammock Parties]

He still deserves a couple more seasons

LMAO

Yes let's run this bullshit for two more years.

[JuicesFlowing]

i like the guy
i'm rooting for the guy


but he blew countless throws deep today and choke in the 4th quarter again.


:cuss:

50% passing ... not good at all :mad:

[Coach]

Yes, he was terrible that he gave up 38 points today.

Brilliant.

[Deberg_1990]

He cant make those critical 2 or 3 plays a game that win you a ballgame. He just doesnt have it.


Pennington is certainly no Superstar, but he knows how to close out a game.

[KCUnited]

THERE'S NO TEETH CHATTERING IN FOOTBALL!! Step your game up!

[Fire Me Boy!]

Turning the ball over....

The guy is just wildly inaccurate.

The defense didn't even show up to the stadium today. Yes, Thigpen was not good today. But the offense still put up 30+ points.

You shouldn't lose when your offense puts up 30+ points.

[doomy3]

Turning the ball over....

The guy is just wildly inaccurate.



Kind of like Roethlisberger today

[JuicesFlowing]

PS Good thing he didn't throw to Bowe. I guess. (sarcasm?) Nevermind.

[Molitoth]

LMAO

Yes let's run this bullshit for two more years.

he can at least put points on the board... you think our defense is fine?

[KcMizzou]

Yeah.

He'd make a good #2. Considering where he comes from, that's pretty good. It's hard not to root for the kid.

I want a real top-notch franchise QB, for once. (Or at least someone with a chance to be that)

[Mecca]

Kind of like Roethlisberger today

He can get that pass when he's a clutch 4th quarter player or wins anything like Roethlisberger has.

[Coach]

The defense didn't even show up to the stadium today. Yes, Thigpen was not good today. But the offense still put up 30+ points.

You shouldn't lose when your offense puts up 30+ points.

Ignore them. They'll always going to blame Thigpen one way or another. Even if Thigpen went 39/40 with 500 yards and 4 TD's, 0 INT's, they'll bitch about that one incompletion pass that could have been the 5th TD.

It's embarrasing.

[doomy3]

He can get that pass when he's a clutch 4th quarter player or wins anything like Roethlisberger has.

Roethlisberger threw a key 4th quarter INT today that was returned for 83 yards to secure the game. That wasn't very clutch.

[KChiefs1]

I love High Definition! Thigpen's teeth chattering closeup was awesome!

[Deberg_1990]

What was up with the Chiefs game plan today anyways??

Lets wing the ball all over the field on a cold, frozen day?? LJ was running good today.

[King_Chief_Fan]

If he can't play from under center he'll be screwed with the next coaching staff anyway.

i think you are right. They had to go to this scheme since it was the only one Thigpen knows and he was the last QB left to play.
New GM, New coach, will equal new QB I think.

[Tactical Funky]

He cant make those critical 2 or 3 plays a game that win you a ballgame. He just doesnt have it.


Pennington is certainly no Superstar, but he knows how to close out a game.
Well, you've got to give him the chance to learn how to close out a game, and he's not going to do that in 3/4 of a season's worth of games.

[Wreckloose]

Abandoned the run in the second half despite 8.2 ypc between LJ and Charles. Not only do they pass but try to pass over 10 yards leading to 2nd and 10s, 3rd and 10s, the last quarter and a half of the game. No screen plays or short passes.

[Mecca]

Roethlisberger threw a key 4th quarter INT today that was returned for 83 yards to secure the game. That wasn't very clutch.

Like I said he can get the pass for a game when he's performed...do you have a comprehension problem?

[Hammock Parties]

he can at least put points on the board... you think our defense is fine?

Thing is this offense doesn't really require much from the quarterback...an average quarterback can make the throws Thigpen is making. Bowe and Gonzalez make this offense go, not Thigpen.

His mobility adds a dimension most quarterbacks don't have but that isn't enough to hand him the starting job.

Find me a quarterback that can throw a frozen rope into a breadbox, not this bullshit.

[JOhn]

Yes, he was terrible that he gave up 38 points today.

Brilliant.

ROFL

[Rausch]

Ignore them. They'll always going to blame Thigpen one way or another. Even if Thigpen went 39/40 with 500 yards and 4 TD's, 0 INT's, they'll bitch about that one incompletion pass that could have been the 5th TD.

It's embarrasing.

The guy's a 7th round pick with less than a year of starting experience.

He's got more upside than Croyle EVER did and he's young.

Exactly what all the people bitching now wanted...

[beach tribe]

Thigpen can't throw a deep ball for shit. I don't think his arm is as live as some would like to think.

[Mecca]

The guy's a 7th round pick with less than a year of starting experience.

He's got more upside than Croyle EVER did and he's young.

Exactly what all the people bitching now wanted...

Having more upside than Brodie Croyle is like saying being on life support is better than being dead...

[blueballs]

no hitsmack to put
this little girl in his place

[Deberg_1990]

The guy's a 7th round pick with less than a year of starting experience.

He's got more upside than Croyle EVER did and he's young.

Exactly what all the people bitching now wanted...

At some point, you have to turn that potential into wins.

He can play, but i think he is what he is: KC's Backup QB of the Future.

[KcMizzou]

Ya know... if one guy on the coaching staff were retained, my pick would be Chan Gailey.

Totally changed up the offense mid-season to make the best of what we had... and for the most part, it worked really well.

He changed his scheme to suit the players he had available. I like that sort of adaptability.

The guy's obviously talented.

[banyon]

Until we KNOW we have the guy at QB, we need to keep taking our shots at the position. That's what long-term succesful teams do for the most part.

[the Talking Can]

can anyone find thigpen's 1st half vs 2nd half stats?

[JOhn]

The guy's a 7th round pick with less than a year of starting experience.

He's got more upside than Croyle EVER did and he's young.

Exactly what all the people bitching now wanted...

NO! NO! NO! NO!

BUT he's not a FIRST round QB, he CAN'T be a winner. :shake:



ROFLROFL

[Mr. Flopnuts]

His accuracy is not getting better. It's getting worse. Now I know that is to be expected as the weather gets worse, but I'm not encouraged. I definitely think the guy should get the opportunity to compete next year, but I certainly wouldn't ignore a highly touted QB in the draft should one be available. If not, I wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere either. BPA. If we reach I'll be pissed.

[Mecca]

At some point, you have to turn that potential into wins.

He can play, but i think he is what he is: KC's Backup QB of the Future.

Pretty much...

I'd like to know what exactly he is "developing" he looks at 1 receiver if it's not there he either chucks it anyway or runs around. He's still in the shotgun 99% of the time...so what does this develop for the future so the new coach can tell him to go sit down cause he can't play from under center?

[Rausch]

Having more upside than Brodie Croyle is like saying being on life support is better than being dead...

Well, we've improved at QB then.

And this offseason and in the draft we'll continue to add young talent at QB.

Show me another 3rd string QB you'd want starting here. Really.

The guy has already exceeded any expectations we had for a first time starting 3rd stringer.

Well, other than your unrealistic one's...

[unothadeal]

Thing is this offense doesn't really require much from the quarterback...an average quarterback can make the throws Thigpen is making. Bowe and Gonzalez make this offense go, not Thigpen.

His mobility adds a dimension most quarterbacks don't have but that isn't enough to hand him the starting job.

Find me a quarterback that can throw a frozen rope into a breadbox, not this bullshit.
Bowe only had 29 yards :shrug:

[Mecca]

His accuracy is not getting better. It's getting worse. Now I know that is to be expected as the weather gets worse, but I'm not encouraged. I definitely think the guy should get the opportunity to compete next year, but I certainly wouldn't ignore a highly touted QB in the draft should one be available. If not, I wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere either. BPA. If we reach I'll be pissed.

You really shouldn't be running that kind of offense in this type of weather city...

[Coach]

The guy's a 7th round pick with less than a year of starting experience.

He's got more upside than Croyle EVER did and he's young.

Exactly what all the people bitching now wanted...

You want to know what's funny? Almost universally, people said that if Croyle threw for 2500 yards and had a 1/1 TD/INT ratio, they'd be satisfied?

Guess what? Thigpen has exceeded this, and less than a full season to boot.

[KCUnited]

Its not just his accuracy, that fact that he can't look off on his own or even check down that limits him.

[the Talking Can]

regardless of what you think of Thigpen, we can't pass on a QB....

they are discrete issues

[petegz28]

Yup, I like Thigpen.... but todays game was just awful. His decisions were bad, and his deep throws were worse.

I am shocked. A kid who has played all of 10 games in the NFL had a bad game?


And it was still good enough to win had we had something called a defense.

[Hammock Parties]

can anyone find thigpen's 1st half vs 2nd half stats?

This includes earlier games...

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/254/thigww8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[KCChiefsMan]

so everyone is now off the Thigpen bandwagon?

[doomy3]

You really shouldn't be running that kind of offense in this type of weather city...

Neither should New England

[beach tribe]

We need another QB. Period.

[Iowanian]

For me, he's gone from "UPS Doc worker next year" in his first action to "solid #2 with room for growth".

He's got potential, but he's not there yet.

He threw into double and triple coverage a lot this year....and a lot today.

[triple]

I'm not going to write him off as an NFL player until we get a real coaching staff in here. He shows flashes but isn't consistent.

He has physical ability. He has made some plays in a very bad offense.

He needs to be coached.

[Rausch]

At some point, you have to turn that potential into wins.

He can play, but i think he is what he is: KC's Backup QB of the Future.

That's fine with me.

If that's all he ever is we got more from him than expected for yard sale money...

[Mecca]

Neither should New England

Go look at how they won in the playoffs last year....if you can't run the ball in the playoffs especially in a cold weather city you're gonna lose.

[Hydrae]

They guy was a 7th round pick out of a small school that had never had a football program until his freshman year. How much do you expect out of him at this point? Obviously he has a lot of upside that has not been tapped. If he had even been on the bench at a big time school (see Brady, Cassell for instance) he would have more and better teaching to this point.

Fine, spend our #3 or whatever pick and pray that what you get isn't a Leaf, etc. If we are at this point in the year next time around and we find that we have Tyler on the field because he is better than the big name you all want then I want huge amounts of casino cash from everyone as a sign of acknowledging your shortsightedness. Personally I want a pash rusher or a MLB as those are our 2 biggest needs on this team.

[petegz28]

You want to know what's funny? Almost universally, people said that if Croyle threw for 2500 yards and had a 1/1 TD/INT ratio, they'd be satisfied?

Guess what? Thigpen has exceeded this, and less than a full season to boot.

Exaclty. We were ready to settle for a 2-14 season until we started coming close to winning games. ROFL.

then the best QB we put on the field gets trounced for not being Peyton Brady.ROFL

[the Talking Can]

This includes earlier games...

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/254/thigww8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanks

i was looking for just this game, but that makes the point...the difference was even bigger today...

the ? is why?

[KcMizzou]

That's fine with me.

If that's all he ever is we got more from him than expected for yard sale money...Agreed 100%

As a solid #2 he's still a heck of a success story.

Now let's get us a franchise QB.

[Mecca]

They guy was a 7th round pick out of a small school that had never had a football program until his freshman year. How much do you expect out of him at this point? Obviously he has a lot of upside that has not been tapped. If he had even been on the bench at a big time school (see Brady, Cassell for instance) he would have more and better teaching to this point.

Fine, spend our #3 or whatever pick and pray that what you get isn't a Leaf, etc. If we are at this point in the year next time around and we find that we have Tyler on the field because he is better than the big name you all want then I want huge amounts of casino cash from everyone as a sign of acknowledging your shortsightedness. Personally I want a pash rusher or a MLB as those are our 2 biggest needs on this team.

The QB fear post, I was expecting it sooner.

[Rausch]

regardless of what you think of Thigpen, we can't pass on a QB....


Of course not. There isn't a position on this team where we wouldn't need a 1st round talent added...

[Coach]

At some point, you have to turn that potential into wins.

He can play, but i think he is what he is: KC's Backup QB of the Future.

Aikman went 1-15 in his first 16 games.

Thigpen went what, 1-9 in the games he started.

[doomy3]

Go look at how they won in the playoffs last year....if you can't run the ball in the playoffs especially in a cold weather city you're gonna lose.



I totally agree that we need to establish a running game. That is our biggest problem IMO right now, is that we don't run the ball nearly enough.

But New England threw the ball last year almost exclusively. And they pretty much have this year as well, even without Brady.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

regardless of what you think of Thigpen, we can't pass on a QB....

they are discrete issues

Bullshit. You stay with Thigpen because not starting him for the future equates to cutting him./True Fan.

[Coach]

thanks

i was looking for just this game, but that makes the point...the difference was even bigger today...

the ? is why?

In my opinion, it's the coaching. Why did they abandon the run when it was clearly working today.

I also could point out the previous two games, it was the same thing as well.

[JOhn]

thanks

i was looking for just this game, but that makes the point...the difference was even bigger today...

the ? is why?

Coaching?

Were did our running game go?

[Deberg_1990]

Go look at how they won in the playoffs last year....if you can't run the ball in the playoffs especially in a cold weather city you're gonna lose.

This city, with its weather in Dec/Jan the team should be built similiar to the Steelers.

Strong agressive defense, strong running game and a young, strong armed potential franchise QB.

[Mecca]

Aikman went 1-15 in his first 16 games.

Thigpen went what, 1-9 in the games he started.

Troy Aikman had more physical talent in his pinky fuckin finger than Thigpen does in his entire body. Aikman was one of the most accurate passers of all time, please don't compare that.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Aikman went 1-15 in his first 16 games.

Thigpen went what, 1-9 in the games he started.

Yeah, well Troy Aikman was just a game manager according to many on here.

[dirk digler]

Abandoned the run in the second half despite 8.2 ypc between LJ and Charles. Not only do they pass but try to pass over 10 yards leading to 2nd and 10s, 3rd and 10s, the last quarter and a half of the game. No screen plays or short passes.

I only caught part of the game but this is what I saw as well.

If anyone noticed 99% of Pennington's passes were in the 3-5 yd range while Thigpen was throwing in the 10-12 range.

It seems to me in these conditions they should have thrown more short passes and screens.

[the Talking Can]

They guy was a 7th round pick out of a small school that had never had a football program until his freshman year. How much do you expect out of him at this point? Obviously he has a lot of upside that has not been tapped. If he had even been on the bench at a big time school (see Brady, Cassell for instance) he would have more and better teaching to this point.

Fine, spend our #3 or whatever pick and pray that what you get isn't a Leaf, etc. If we are at this point in the year next time around and we find that we have Tyler on the field because he is better than the big name you all want then I want huge amounts of casino cash from everyone as a sign of acknowledging your shortsightedness. Personally I want a pash rusher or a MLB as those are our 2 biggest needs on this team.

yeah, it would be so terrible to have two good young QBs....oh no! we can't have that..../true fans

it's not like it is the single most important position on the team, or anything...

[Mecca]

This city, with its weather in Dec/Jan the team should be built similiar to the Steelers.

Strong agressive defense, strong running game and a young, strong armed potential franchise QB.

You have a average to weak armed QB you get what we had today, a guy throwing ducks.

[blueballs]

The Chiefs O before Pigpen
the Chiefs O after Pigpen
deserves mentioning

[petegz28]

Agreed 100%

As a solid #2 he's still a heck of a success story.

Now let's get us a franchise QB.

I hear that #1 pick, Ryan Leaf is looking for work. ROFL

[petegz28]

You have a average to weak armed QB you get what we had today, a guy throwing ducks.

Yea the gusting 20+ mpg wins had nothing to do with that.

It isn't like the game was played in Olathe.

[the Talking Can]

In my opinion, it's the coaching. Why did they abandon the run when it was clearly working today.

I also could point out the previous two games, it was the same thing as well.

but that doesn't really explain the drop in accuracy....he was barely 50% today

[Hydrae]

The QB fear post, I was expecting it sooner.

This team is not ready to go over the top and seriously compete in the playoffs. The needs at other positions are MUCH, MUCH bigger than at QB. If you don't see that after the last few weeks and this game in particular I have no way to help you.

[Mecca]

I hear that #1 pick, Ryan Leaf is looking for work. ROFL

Yea I bet you'd have been one of those guys who wouldn't have taken Manning either, OMG he's risky!

If you're that scared just give up, go cower in the corner.

[mylittlepony]

Troy Aikman had more physical talent in his pinky ****in finger than Thigpen does in his entire body. Aikman was one of the most accurate passers of all time, please don't compare that.

Troy Aikmans O-line had more talent in one of their collective pikies then KC has in its entire line.

[Rausch]

You have a average to weak armed QB you get what we had today, a guy throwing ducks.

Didn't we just lose to King Noodlearm?...

[petegz28]

Yeah, well Troy Aikman was just a game manager according to many on here.

And also had the league's biggest O-line, one of the best RB's ever and one of the best WR's ever.

[Mecca]

This team is not ready to go over the top and seriously compete in the playoffs. The needs at other positions are MUCH, MUCH bigger than at QB. If you don't see that after the last few weeks and this game in particular I have no way to help you.

No, they don't...QB is the most important position on the team by a huge degree, stop devaluing it.

[Mecca]

Troy Aikmans O-line had more talent in one of their collective pikies then KC has in its entire line.

Thigpen throws wounded inaccurate ducks when he has no pressure...really the Dolphins didn't get much pressure today.

[petegz28]

Didn't we just lose to King Noodlearm?...

WTF does Bill Parcells know?

[Coach]

Troy Aikman had more physical talent in his pinky fuckin finger than Thigpen does in his entire body. Aikman was one of the most accurate passers of all time, please don't compare that.

Well, riddle me this. What was Aikman's first year completion percentage?

[the Talking Can]

This team is not ready to go over the top and seriously compete in the playoffs. The needs at other positions are MUCH, MUCH bigger than at QB. If you don't see that after the last few weeks and this game in particular I have no way to help you.

15 years of this crap and people still don't understand the importance of the QB position.....

[Hydrae]

Troy Aikman had more physical talent in his pinky ****in finger than Thigpen does in his entire body. Aikman was one of the most accurate passers of all time, please don't compare that.

Pennington is the MOST accurate passer in the history of the game. Is that what you want here? We could have had him. ROFL

[KCChiefsMan]

lets all go back to the Damon huard offense! that way we can lose with scores of 6 - 24

[Mecca]

Pennington is the MOST accurate passer in the history of the game. Is that what you want here? We could have had him. ROFL

Some people.....there isn't help for them.

[KcMizzou]

I hear that #1 pick, Ryan Leaf is looking for work. ROFLYou know why Leaf is so (in)famous?

Because its so rare that a QB deemed worthy of being taken in the top 1 or 2 spots in the draft flames out like that.

Granted, that seems to be our luck... but I'll be damned if I want my team to pass on a stud QB just because they don't have the balls to risk it.

[petegz28]

lets all go back to the Damon huard offense! that way we can lose with scores of 6 - 24

Hell yes! Then we can have a QB tha throws 15ft high passes from under center. :D

[Deberg_1990]

Thigpen throws wounded inaccurate ducks when he has no pressure...really the Dolphins didn't get much pressure today.

Gotta love his deep balls. The ones he does complete, he throws it a mile high and the WR has to wait 4 minutes for it to drop.

[Mecca]

You have to be able to play from under center....I don't understand why some of you find that so hard to grasp.

[Coach]

Troy Aikman had more physical talent in his pinky fuckin finger than Thigpen does in his entire body. Aikman was one of the most accurate passers of all time, please don't compare that.

Well, riddle me this. What was Aikman's first year completion percentage?

Fuck it. I'll answer my own fucking question, since I happen to know what the fucking answer was.

Aikman's first year completion percentage was a

52.9%

And Thigpen's completion percentage is

55.7%

[beach tribe]

Yea the gusting 20+ mpg wins had nothing to do with that.

It isn't like the game was played in Olathe.

Yeah, it was the wind:rolleyes:

Funny how the wind always blows in Tyler's face no matter which end zone he's facing.

I like Tyler, but he struggles mightily with the deep ball.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

And also had the league's biggest O-line, one of the best RB's ever and one of the best WR's ever.

And Joe Montana had Rice, Taylor, Craig, Clark, Solomon, and Brent Jones at the skill positions at one point.

If you honestly don't think that Aikman was a franchise QB, you should probably check your medical records for a lobotomy.

[petegz28]

You know why Leaf is so (in)famous?

Because its so rare that a QB deemed worthy of being taken in the top 1 or 2 spots in the draft flames out like that.

Granted, that seems to be our luck... but I'll be damned if I want my team to pass on a stud QB just because they don't have the balls to risk it.

I think Thigy needs to have something like these other guys had, like a real 0-line and a defense that udnerstands this is not 2-hand touch football.

If he had more of that and still played like this, I would say he is not the man.

500 yards of offense and 31 points? Not the QB's fault we lost.

[Mecca]

This is so funny, lets compare Thigpen to every great QB ever!

[Hammock Parties]

If anyone noticed 99% of Pennington's passes were in the 3-5 yd range while Thigpen was throwing in the 10-12 range.


Uh, not really....Thigpen throws so many balls within five yards of the line of scrimmage it's comical...

[Hydrae]

15 years of this crap and people still don't understand the importance of the QB position.....

I think this we are in the best position for the future of QB than we have been since I started following this team in 1990. I also think it is a team game and that putting everything at one position losses sight of that. I do not think Peyton is coming out in the draft this year and I am not at all sold there is a sure fire one at all. Given that, I want to strengthen the team as a whole not shoot a dart at a board and pray that what you find isn't Blackledge.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Well, riddle me this. What was Aikman's first year completion percentage?

52.9
155 of 293
55.7 QB rating

[Mecca]

I think Thigy needs to have something like these other guys had, like a real 0-line and a defense that udnerstands this is not 2-hand touch football.

If he had more of that and still played like this, I would say he is not the man.

500 yards of offense and 31 points? Not the QB's fault we lost.

He was wildly inaccurate all over the place today...

[Valiant]

It was how cold again???

His throws were terrible, but lets not condemn him for it..

It was fucking cold and windy..

Granted his short throws did not look much better either..

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Fuck it. I'll answer my own fucking question, since I happen to know what the fucking answer was.

Aikman's first year completion percentage was a

52.9%

Thigpen isn't a rookie, people.

[petegz28]

And Joe Montana had Rice, Taylor, Craig, Clark, Solomon, and Brent Jones at the skill positions at one point.

If you honestly don't think that Aikman was a franchise QB, you should probably check your medical records for a lobotomy.

so you are saying Aikman would of had the same career with our O-line?

ROFLROFLROFL

Or are you comapring Bowe to Rice? Darling to Irvin maybe?

[DeezNutz]

This is so funny, lets compare Thigpen to every great QB ever!

Because that's what he is. Accept it.

[banyon]

Didn't we just lose to King Noodlearm?...

Yeah, and unless they surround him with a super-team, then he's going to lead them to a 8-8/9-7 type record and an early plaoyff exit at best, which is about what he's going to do.

[petegz28]

He was wildly inaccurate all over the place today...

Then you are in for a big disappointment, cause ALL QB's throw picks.

[SAUTO]

yeah, it would be so terrible to have two good young QBs....oh no! we can't have that..../true fans

it's not like it is the single most important position on the team, or anything...

well at least you are now acknowledgeing thigpen might be good. it was cold and windy today and the coaching staff seemed to be calling A LOT of long balls...

[Mecca]

I think this we are in the best position for the future of QB than we have been since I started following this team in 1990. I also think it is a team game and that putting everything at one position losses sight of that. I do not think Peyton is coming out in the draft this year and I am not at all sold there is a sure fire one at all. Given that, I want to strengthen the team as a whole not shoot a dart at a board and pray that what you find isn't Blackledge.

Everyone said that last year too......how's Matt Ryan working out. Several of us knew this shit would come out again, there are some that just flat don't want to draft QB's with high picks.

[Hydrae]

I think Thigy needs to have something like these other guys had, like a real 0-line and a defense that udnerstands this is not 2-hand touch football.

If he had more of that and still played like this, I would say he is not the man.

500 yards of offense and 31 points? Not the QB's fault we lost.

But he will never have those because we will stick him on the bench and bring in another QB who will deal with the same, unaddressed issues.

[doomy3]

Thigpen isn't a rookie, people.

give me a break

[DeezNutz]

I don't care if Joe Elway is in this draft. We need a fucking RT. We're not going anywhere without a C and a RT.

[Johnny Vegas]

he help turn this offense around mid season. Does anyone remember the boring slow offense before he came in? This guy gives us something to talk about every Sunday. Its such a double standard for him its sad. God forbid we recognize a good player when 45 players on the same team don't amount to the impact Thiggy had coming in mid season. No way a QB can consistently win when the D gives up over 30 points.

[DeezNutz]

Should we go Mack or Loadholt in the first?

[Deberg_1990]

I think this we are in the best position for the future of QB than we have been since I started following this team in 1990. I also think it is a team game and that putting everything at one position losses sight of that. I do not think Peyton is coming out in the draft this year and I am not at all sold there is a sure fire one at all. Given that, I want to strengthen the team as a whole not shoot a dart at a board and pray that what you find isn't Blackledge.


The Chiefs are most likely drafting top 3. Its time to take a shot at a franchise QB.

If he turns out to be Leaf, then guess what? YOu keep drafting another QB until you get it right.

[Hydrae]

Everyone said that last year too......how's Matt Ryan working out. Several of us knew this shit would come out again, there are some that just flat don't want to draft QB's with high picks.

Look at Thigpen compared to Flacco. Without having the numbers in front of me I believe Thiggy has greatly outperformed Joe. Joe is winning because there are other pieces that work around him, not because he is carrying the team on his back.

I will give you Ryan. I will also point out that his success is highly unusual and that is part of why he has gotten so much notice.

[Mecca]

All the Missouri and Kansas fans are fine with the Chiefs running the same offense....sad.

[KcMizzou]

I think Thigy needs to have something like these other guys had, like a real 0-line and a defense that udnerstands this is not 2-hand touch football.

If he had more of that and still played like this, I would say he is not the man.

500 yards of offense and 31 points? Not the QB's fault we lost.I agree with you there.

I just don't think we should consider ourselves set at QB. Thiggy's been a very pleasant surprise. I like the kid a lot. However, I don't think drafting a Stafford would be a mistake.

It might be, who knows. But you can't win big if you're scared to play.

[dirk digler]

Uh, not really....Thigpen throws so many balls within five yards of the line of scrimmage it's comical...

Alot of times he does but it seemed like today that wasn't the case. I could be wrong on that today I only caught part of the game.

[petegz28]

I don't care if Joe Elway is in this draft. We need a ****ing RT. We're not going anywhere without a C and a RT.

We need a pass rusher.

[Mecca]

Look at Thigpen compared to Flacco. Without having the numbers in front of me I believe Thiggy has greatly outperformed Joe. Joe is winning because there are other pieces that work around him, not because he is carrying the team on his back.

I will give you Ryan. I will also point out that his success is highly unusual and that is part of why he has gotten so much notice.

Stop looking at stats....are the Ravens going to make the playoffs? He does what they ask him to do...

[Coach]

Thigpen isn't a rookie, people.

Started only 10 games. In my opinion, he is considered a rookie in terms of game experience.

Yes, I know he's a 2nd year player, but the Chiefs were not considering their 3rd stringer to be a starter by the end of the season. During training camp, Brokie Croyle and at times, Damon Hutard got mostly all the reps during training camp. So Thigpen never actually had a training camp to work with the first team offense to benefit him.

[petegz28]

I agree with you there.

I just don't think we should consider ourselves set at QB. Thiggy's been a very pleasant surprise. I like the kid a lot. However, I don't think drafting a Stafford would be a mistake.

It might be, who knows. But you can't win big if you're scared to play.

Draft a QB. Just spend the high pick on a pass rusher.

[doomy3]

Everyone said that last year too......how's Matt Ryan working out. Several of us knew this shit would come out again, there are some that just flat don't want to draft QB's with high picks.

And last year you said that this year's QB class was total shit, now you want us to draft one of them.

I just don't see the problem with addressing another position this year, and seeing what we have in Thigpen for one more year, and then drafting a QB next year.

I won't be mad if we happen to get Stafford or Bradford, but if we take another position, I don't think it's the end of the world.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

give me a break

Why is it acceptable for people to discount the fact that he's been in the NFL for two years and not one? Was Carson Palmer "just a rookie" in his second year because he didn't take any snaps?

[DeezNutz]

We need a pass rusher.

That's what rounds 4-7 are for.

[Coach]

All the Missouri and Kansas fans are fine with the Chiefs running the same offense....sad.

If you score 31 points, how is it the offense the problem?

[petegz28]

Stop looking at stats....are the Ravens going to make the playoffs? He does what they ask him to do...

and the Ravens defense is fucking terrible too isn't it?ROFL

[Hydrae]

The Chiefs are most likely drafting top 3. Its time to take a shot at a franchise QB.

If he turns out to be Leaf, then guess what? YOu keep drafting another QB until you get it right.

I see, we draft QBs over and over if needed and pretend we are the Lions but with QB instead of WRs. Got it.

[KcMizzou]

All the Missouri and Kansas fans are fine with the Chiefs running the same offense....sad.C'mon now.

What Gailey's done with it has been pretty impressive. He's (to coin a phrase) made chicken salad out of chicken shit.

I'm the biggest Mizzou homer you'll find... but I don't think this scheme is the long term answer.

[doomy3]

Stop looking at stats....are the Ravens going to make the playoffs? He does what they ask him to do...

He's a game manager. We could get one of those!!

[Rausch]

Why is it that no one on here appears willing to take an opinion unless it's one extreme or the other.

Pigpen has played better than any of us expected. Sometimes great, sometimes terrible. He's young and inexpensive.

Very good for us.

Yes, we still draft a QB if given the chance because we don't know WITH CERTAINTY he's the answer to anything. Draft a QB and let them compete.

I don't want to see anyone on this team GIVEN a job outside of Gonzo and Watters...

[dirk digler]

We need a pass rusher.

We need alot of things especially on D

[DeezNutz]

Why is it that no one on here appears willing to take an opinion unless it's one extreme or the other.

Pigpen has played better than any of us expected. Sometimes great, sometimes terrible. He's young and inexpensive.

Very good for us.

Yes, we still draft a QB if given the chance because we don't know WITH CERTAINTY he's the answer to anything. Draft a QB and let them compete.

I don't want to see anyone on this team GIVEN a job outside of Gonzo and Watters...

I think most are happy and greatly surprised that we've found a solid backup QB.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Should we go Mack or Loadholt in the first?

Trade down from 3 to 9. Then you trade down from 9 to 15. Then you trade down from 15 to 21. Then you trade down from 21 to 29. You draft Mack, and then with the 6 second rounders you've accumulated, you take Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, Max Unger, two fullbacks, and a long snapper.

[splatbass]

Considering Thigpen didn't play QB in high school, played at a college that didn't even have a team before, and has been coached by Dick Curl while here I think Thigpen has done surprisingly well. Give him a good QB coach (hopefully we'll have one next year) and a better OL and I think he has a lot of potential.

I think he should compete for starting QB next year, and let the chips fall where they may. If he is the best then he should start.

All of this is pretty moot though, we don't know who will be coaching next year, and who they will draft/sign. Really, having a heated argument over this at this point is stupid.

[KcMizzou]

Why is it that no one on here appears willing to take an opinion unless it's one extreme or the other.

Pigpen has played better than any of us expected. Sometimes great, sometimes terrible. He's young and inexpensive.

Very good for us.

Yes, we still draft a QB if given the chance because we don't know WITH CERTAINTY he's the answer to anything. Draft a QB and let them compete.

I don't want to see anyone on this team GIVEN a job outside of Gonzo and Watters...:clap:

[petegz28]

C'mon now.

What Gailey's done with it has been pretty impressive. He's (to coin a phrase) made chicken salad out of chicken shit.

I'm the biggest Mizzou homer you'll find... but I don't think this scheme is the long term answer.

Sure beats 3 and out 6 times in a row every game.

[DeezNutz]

Trade down from 3 to 9. Then you trade down from 9 to 15. Then you trade down from 15 to 21. Then you trade down from 21 to 29. You draft Mack, and then with the 6 second rounders you've accumulated, you take Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, Max Unger, two fullbacks, and a long snapper.

By snapper, do you mean a cheerleader?

If so...championship.

[mylittlepony]

Everyone said that last year too......how's Matt Ryan working out. Several of us knew this shit would come out again, there are some that just flat don't want to draft QB's with high picks.

He isnt exactly asked to win the game about 4 times every game because the D gives up now is he?

[KcMizzou]

Considering Thigpen didn't play QB in high school, played at a college that didn't even have a team before, and has been coached by Dick Curl while here I think Thigpen has done surprisingly well. Give him a good QB coach (hopefully we'll have one next year) and a better OL and I think he has a lot of potential.

I think he should compete for starting QB next year, and let the chips fall where they may. If he is the best then he should start.

All of this is pretty moot though, we don't know who will be coaching next year, and who they will draft/sign. Really, having a heated argument over this at this point is stupid.Agreed.

It's just kinda what we do, though. :)

[Hydrae]

I think most are happy and greatly surprised that we've found a solid backup QB.

BTW, this does bring up a question that I haven't seen around here. I suppose this means Croyle will be 3rd string next year? I really don't see us just cutting him and he can't be on the practice squad any more. He has to factor into the discussion to a small extent (no, not as starter obviously).

[DeezNutz]

BTW, this does bring up a question that I haven't seen around here. I suppose this means Croyle will be 3rd string next year? I really don't see us just cutting him and he can't be on the practice squad any more. He has to factor into the discussion to a small extent (no, not as starter obviously).

Why wouldn't we cut him? Would we miss the 1/8 of a regular season game that he could provide?

[KcMizzou]

Sure beats 3 and out 6 times in a row every game.Absolutely.

That's what's so impressive about what Gailey's done this season.

[Mecca]

And last year you said that this year's QB class was total shit, now you want us to draft one of them.

I just don't see the problem with addressing another position this year, and seeing what we have in Thigpen for one more year, and then drafting a QB next year.

I won't be mad if we happen to get Stafford or Bradford, but if we take another position, I don't think it's the end of the world.

Yes because you project juniors to declare early a year in advance right, really stop being stupid.

[Mecca]

The implosion that happens when a new coach shelves this offense, plays from under center and ends up benching Thigpen because he can't do it should be entertaining.

[Hydrae]

The implosion that happens when a new coach shelves this offense, plays from under center and ends up benching Thigpen because he can't do it should be entertaining.

If it works I will applaud. I don't need Thiggy to be the QB as long as my team wins. When my team can not stop a Pennington lead offense I am much more worried about the defense than any player on the offense. Period.

[Rausch]

BTW, this does bring up a question that I haven't seen around here. I suppose this means Croyle will be 3rd string next year? I really don't see us just cutting him and he can't be on the practice squad any more. He has to factor into the discussion to a small extent (no, not as starter obviously).

Why?

Draft a young guy, keep Pigpen, and sign a vet should the worst happen and we end up using our 3rd QB again.

Croyle has little experience, can't even stay healthy, and hasn't proven he can win $3it. Huard is done.

Why would you want THREE young and unproven QB's?

[petegz28]

The implosion that happens when a new coach shelves this offense, plays from under center and ends up benching Thigpen because he can't do it should be entertaining.

And you keep living in this ****ing fantasy world where you think our O can block in a traditional offense.

Have the last 3 years not told you ****ing anything?

[Mecca]

And you keep living in this ****ing fantasy world where you think our O can block in a traditional offense.

Have the last 3 years not told you ****ing anything?

That the Chiefs don't know what they are doing? Which is why all of these guys are getting fired....

[Rausch]

Absolutely.

That's what's so impressive about what Gailey's done this season.

Gailey took what he had and used the best offense to fit the talent.

If anything, blame Herm and Carl for not managing to build a team that could do anything other than run the spread...

[Mecca]

If it works I will applaud. I don't need Thiggy to be the QB as long as my team wins. When my team can not stop a Pennington lead offense I am much more worried about the defense than any player on the offense. Period.

You seem to be thinking about winning 6 or 7 games next year than where this team is in 3 or 4 years from now.

[Hydrae]

Why?

Draft a young guy, keep Pigpen, and sign a vet should the worst happen and we end up using our 3rd QB again.

Croyle has little experience, can't even stay healthy, and hasn't proven he can win $3it. Huard is done.

Why would you want THREE young and unproven QB's?

Which is one of the reasons I don't spend a draft pick on a QB this year. I give Thigpen the off season to learn things that most QBs learned in college while getting his timing down with those receivers he had little to no work with this last off season. I shore up the right side of the line and the front 7 on the defense. If he still has some of the rookie issues like not looking people off, etc then I look to replace him. For now this is not a position of nearly the need, IMO.

[Coach]

You seem to be thinking about winning 6 or 7 games next year than where this team is in 3 or 4 years from now.

Depending on who's the Head Coach will be next year. If it's still Herm, it'll be 2-4, no different from this year.

If it's someone else, 6-7 isn't out of the question, depending on what moves the Chiefs make in the off-season.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's not about 3 years down the road, Mecca. It's about next week, and competing for mediocrity next year. If we keep Thigpen and the spread, we can probably win 6-8 games next year. Arrowhead's tailgating will be bumping.

[Mecca]

Depending on who's the Head Coach will be next year. If it's still Herm, it'll be 2-4, no different from this year.

If it's someone else, 6-7 isn't out of the question, depending on what moves the Chiefs make in the off-season.

You are aware that a new head coach is almost assuredly not going to run this spread crap right?

[Coach]

You are aware that a new head coach is almost assuredly not going to run this spread crap right?

Again, it's assuming who's the new head coach will be. I'm fully aware of it. However, I'm also fully aware the Thigpen has the whole off-season to work on his weakness, if he chooses to do so.

[dirk digler]

The implosion that happens when a new coach shelves this offense, plays from under center and ends up benching Thigpen because he can't do it should be entertaining.

It won't match the implosion if the new GM doesn't draft a franchise QB :Poke:

[Hydrae]

You seem to be thinking about winning 6 or 7 games next year than where this team is in 3 or 4 years from now.

I am thinking Thiggy is a servicable as Flacco has been for a winning team. The difference is with other positions that we obviously need work on. I don't care how good the QB is, if you do not stop the other team you will still be losing. A great QB might pull out a few wins and that will leave you with....6 or 7 wins!

It is a team game and we have a servicable QB now. If you think we have servicable players at all the other positions, go for the QB sweepstakes.

[petegz28]

You are aware that a new head coach is almost assuredly not going to run this spread crap right?

Why don't we cross that bridge when we get to it?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Which is one of the reasons I don't spend a draft pick on a QB this year. I give Thigpen the off season to learn things that most QBs learned in college while getting his timing down with those receivers he had little to no work with this last off season. I shore up the right side of the line and the front 7 on the defense. If he still has some of the rookie issues like not looking people off, etc then I look to replace him. For now this is not a position of nearly the need, IMO.

Jesus Fuck.

How can anyone explain this any more clearly?

Is Thigpen a franchise QB?

That is not known.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you do not pass on him in the draft. Period. End of cockfucking bullwhore sucking slunt story. You don't fucking do it. You'd be wiser to go balls deep into a sausage grinder.


I don't give a fuck if we go 4-12 next year if we take a shot to develop a franchise QB. But passing on him because you think Thigpen is the guy after what he has shown is certifiably insane.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why don't we cross that bridge when we get to it?

Because we need to be thinking long term rather than True Fan.

[petegz28]

Matt ryan overthrowing wide open WR's....and that is indoors.

[banyon]

Which is one of the reasons I don't spend a draft pick on a QB this year. I give Thigpen the off season to learn things that most QBs learned in college while getting his timing down with those receivers he had little to no work with this last off season. I shore up the right side of the line and the front 7 on the defense. If he still has some of the rookie issues like not looking people off, etc then I look to replace him. For now this is not a position of nearly the need, IMO.

The last sentence here is where there's a fundamental disagreement I guess.

This team is not in a position to be drafting for need. We have needs allover the place. Pretty much the only guy who should be around for next 5 years is Colquitt. We need talent to build around starting at the very bottom of the process of building a team. that means you go for the best available at the main value positions QB1, LT2, DE3, WR4, CB5, or some variation of that. You don't have to spend the first pick on a QB, but if you don't then your LT choice had better be solid, and if you want a DE or WR, they'd better be franchise-type All-pros. Once you have QB and LT, and some more talent, you have the luxury of making some different picks, IMO.

[petegz28]

Because we need to be thinking long term rather than True Fan.

We need to wait and see what the new GM says before you start telling us what we will and won't do.

We put up 31 and 500 on a top rated D. Your argument that the O cannot win simply does not hold water.

[Mecca]

Thigpen is the new star to the fan base because "he doesn't get blown out" that's something to aspire to be.

[kstater]

Why is it acceptable for people to discount the fact that he's been in the NFL for two years and not one? Was Carson Palmer "just a rookie" in his second year because he didn't take any snaps?

Aaron Rodgers is a rookie this year.

[Coach]

Jesus Fuck.

How can anyone explain this any more clearly?

Is Thigpen a franchise QB?

That is not known.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you do not pass on him in the draft. Period. End of cockfucking bullwhore sucking slunt story. You don't fucking do it. You'd be wiser to go balls deep into a sausage grinder.


I don't give a fuck if we go 4-12 next year if we take a shot to develop a franchise QB. But passing on him because you think Thigpen is the guy after what he has shown is certifiably insane.

I understand this argument, but at the same time, how can one go determine that a QB can be a franchise QB from the draft? For every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For a Donvoan McNabb, there's a Tim Couch.

At best, it's a 50/50 shot.

[ROYC75]

As much as I like Tyler, he has a ways to go. Passing on a franchise QB would be dumb.
Tyler was so cold, he was awful today, horrible. The ability is there, his arm is weak on the long throws, throwing deep in the wind today was stupid.

[Rausch]

Jesus ****.

How can anyone explain this any more clearly?

Is Thigpen a franchise QB?

That is not known.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you do not pass on him in the draft. Period. End of cock****ing bullwhore sucking slunt story. You don't ****ing do it. You'd be wiser to go balls deep into a sausage grinder.


I don't give a **** if we go 4-12 next year if we take a shot to develop a franchise QB. But passing on him because you think Thigpen is the guy after what he has shown is certifiably insane.

Exactly.

You want to add as much talent as possible and no position is as important as QB. On this team more than most because everyone on the roster is either young/unproven or has FAIL stamped on their forehead...

[Coach]

Thigpen is the new star to the fan base because "he doesn't get blown out" that's something to aspire to be.

No, he's a new star because he makes the games more bearable to watch, and he gives it all, win or lose.

[banyon]

Matt ryan overthrowing wide open WR's....and that is indoors.

What don't you understand about a spectrum of accuracy/inaccuracy and ability to make throws?

This is like your earlier comment "All QB's thrw picks" as if that meant something like they were all just therefore interchangeable.

[Mecca]

Honestly do you guys watch Thigpen, how many INT's has he had dropped? How many times does he fire that ball into double and triple coverage, he had 7 or 8 balls that could have been picked today...that stuff evens out over time...

[Hydrae]

Jesus ****.

How can anyone explain this any more clearly?

Is Thigpen a franchise QB?

That is not known.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you do not pass on him in the draft. Period. End of cock****ing bullwhore sucking slunt story. You don't ****ing do it. You'd be wiser to go balls deep into a sausage grinder.


I don't give a **** if we go 4-12 next year if we take a shot to develop a franchise QB. But passing on him because you think Thigpen is the guy after what he has shown is certifiably insane.


How about we address the real weaknesses on the team and worry about becoming elite when that is done? If we successfully go 4-12 next year because of a lack at the QB position, you are in a position to draft that stud then.

Never mind, I know I am beating my head against the wall here (and I am sure several around here feel the same about me). I have said my peace, it is not up to me anyway. I will be rooting for the Chiefs either way. Enjoy the argument guys, I am out.

[Mecca]

No, he's a new star because he makes the games more bearable to watch, and he gives it all, win or lose.

That's basically what I said.

[banyon]

I understand this argument, but at the same time, how can one go determine that a QB can be a franchise QB from the draft? For every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For a Donvoan McNabb, there's a Tim Couch.

At best, it's a 50/50 shot.

Yeah, and the Chargers and Browns didn't back down for 15 years like little bitches because they missed on Couch either. They kept taking their shots.

[Reerun_KC]

How many DROPPED interceptions has Thigpen avoided this year?

IF the other team, yes I know IF, would have held on to maybe another 1/3 or 1/2 of those, you guys would be burning him alive at the stake...

[petegz28]

You people think a franchise QB was going to win this game? You are out of your fucking minds. Our defense can't stop jack shit.

We have been down the "all O" road before.

[petegz28]

How many DROPPED interceptions has Thigpen avoided this year?

IF the other team, yes I know IF, would have held on to maybe another 1/3 or 1/2 of those, you guys would be burning him alive at the stake...

How many dropped INT's has every QB had this year? I guarantee Thigy is not the only one lucky enough to have INT's dropped every game.

[banyon]

You people think a franchise QB was going to win this game? You are out of your ****ing minds. Our defense can't stop jack shit.

We have been down the "all O" road before.

It's not about this game

[mylittlepony]

Yeah, and the Chargers and Browns didn't back down for 15 years like little bitches because they missed on Couch either. They kept taking their shots.

And just like that did the Lions say we are going to draft Wideouts untill we win the superbowl and every year the whole NFL salute their bravery by letting the play on thanksgiving.

[ROYC75]

Honestly do you guys watch Thigpen, how many INT's has he had dropped? How many times does he fire that ball into double and triple coverage, he had 7 or 8 balls that could have been picked today...that stuff evens out over time...

Oh Shut up you, we are not suppose to agree. I like Tyler, I do, but he needs a lot of coaching on when and where to throw the ball.

If Tyler could cut these type of throws down, he is serviceable as a QB, we need a pass rush on defense.

[Reerun_KC]

How many dropped INT's has every QB had this year? I guarantee Thigy is not the only one lucky enough to have INT's dropped every game.

:Shrug: And? I was just making a statement, I wasnt bashing Pickpen...

its easy to sit back and say this or that, but throw another 15 INTS in there and this place would be screaming for a QB...

Just saying.. I know how the Planet operates...

[Coach]

That's basically what I said.

No, you said that "he doesn't get blown out"

I said "he makes the games more bearable to watch, and he gives it all, win or lose"

2 complete different things.

[KcMizzou]

It's not about this gameQFT

[Coach]

Honestly do you guys watch Thigpen, how many INT's has he had dropped? How many times does he fire that ball into double and triple coverage, he had 7 or 8 balls that could have been picked today...that stuff evens out over time...

Every Qb's have their moments of INT's being dropped.

[petegz28]

It's not about this game

If you think QB is the top priority for the draft you are on crack. We need a pass rushing DE and a ML and O-line help.

Then if you want to gripe cause we are still putting up 31 our of the spread...well.......:shake:

A good O-line will make an avg QB look really good. When you have a shitty O-line, no defense and no special teams, all the Joe Montana's in the world aren't going to do you any good.

[kstater]

You people think a franchise QB was going to win this game? You are out of your fucking minds. Our defense can't stop jack shit.

We have been down the "all O" road before.

You just don't get it. Getting a franchise QB puts this team in a better position to win a SUPER BOWL than what we have now.

[beach tribe]

And you keep living in this ****ing fantasy world where you think our O can block in a traditional offense.

Have the last 3 years not told you ****ing anything?

I'm almost certain that we are going to acquire some linemen this off-season.

The line is broke RIGHT NOW. Do you expect it to stay broken? I don't. Our LT has tuned into a stud, and that's the hardest position on the line to fill. We're gonna get some guys this off-season. With the cap space we have, our new GM is going to be afforded the luxury of FA, and the draft. I expect big improvements up front.

[petegz28]

:Shrug: And? I was just making a statement, I wasnt bashing Pickpen...

its easy to sit back and say this or that, but throw another 15 INTS in there and this place would be screaming for a QB...

Just saying.. I know how the Planet operates...

I don't care if he throws 5 picks a game. There is no excuse to lose when you put up 31 points. None. Your defense and special teams have to play too.

And your $40 mil RB needs to step up more than 8 or 9 carries a game too.

[kstater]

If you think QB is the top priority for the draft you are on crack. We need a pass rushing DE and a ML and O-line help.

Then if you want to gripe cause we are still putting up 31 our of the spread...well.......:shake:

A good O-line will make an avg QB look really good. When you have a shitty O-line, no defense and no special teams, all the Joe Montana's in the world aren't going to do you any good.

To go 8-8 with the spread next year, yes a MLB will help. But think a couple years down the road when this team is ready to make a run, when teams start figuring out the spread, how is not having a franchise QB going to help then.

[petegz28]

You just don't get it. Getting a franchise QB puts this team in a better position to win a SUPER BOWL than what we have now.

I would say a decent, not even really good, but a decent defense would of kept us the leads we have managed to get just about every game with Thigy.

When are we going to remember that offense wins games but defense wins championships?

[Mecca]

I'm almost certain that we are going to acquire some linemen this off-season.

The line is broke RIGHT NOW. Do you expect it to stay broken? I don't. Our LT has tuned into a stud, and that's the hardest position on the line to fill. We're gonna get some guys this off-season. With the cap space we have, our new GM is going to be afforded the luxury of FA, and the draft. I expect big improvements up front.

That's what I was thinking, why would you put in an offense and call plays like your line and offense will always have shitty players.

[DeezNutz]

If you think QB is the top priority for the draft you are on crack. We need a pass rushing DE and a ML and O-line help.

Then if you want to gripe cause we are still putting up 31 our of the spread...well.......:shake:

A good O-line will make an avg QB look really good. When you have a shitty O-line, no defense and no special teams, all the Joe Montana's in the world aren't going to do you any good.

We're talking long-term. Not just next year.

The draft isn't all about what you need right fucking now! This is what we're talking about when we've been criticizing True Fan and his longing for 9-7.

But QB is a huge fucking need for this team. Huge.

[Mecca]

To go 8-8 with the spread next year, yes a MLB will help. But think a couple years down the road when this team is ready to make a run, when teams start figuring out the spread, how is not having a franchise QB going to help then.

True fan baby, win most of your home games win your 7-10 games and have a drunken party on Sunday.

[mylittlepony]

No position should ever be awarded to somebody. Everyone should have to fight for thier place all the time. Competition gives you the best shot at winning. Thigpen, #1 round draft pick or old vet nobody should have a free spot on this team.

[beach tribe]

Jesus ****.

How can anyone explain this any more clearly?

Is Thigpen a franchise QB?

That is not known.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you do not pass on him in the draft. Period. End of cock****ing bullwhore sucking slunt story. You don't ****ing do it. You'd be wiser to go balls deep into a sausage grinder.


I don't give a **** if we go 4-12 next year if we take a shot to develop a franchise QB. But passing on him because you think Thigpen is the guy after what he has shown is certifiably insane.

Couldn't agree more. If a QB is not there, you go D, period.

But you do not, under any circumstance, pass him up.

[petegz28]

To go 8-8 with the spread next year, yes a MLB will help. But think a couple years down the road when this team is ready to make a run, when teams start figuring out the spread, how is not having a franchise QB going to help then.

Fuck man I don't know, how did Trent Dilfer win a SB? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick? Yet he has what, 3-4 rings?

Who was the QB for Tampa when they won it?

Kurt Warner was a franchise QB?


I agree it would be nice, but I do not think it is the "fix-all" everyone is making it out to be.

[Mecca]

Couldn't agree more. If a QB is not there, you go D, period.

But you do not, under any circumstance, pass him up.

Some people are just never going to want a QB, they'd rather go for a Jeff Garcia type.

[Coach]

Fuck man I don't know, how did Trent Dilfer win a SB? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick? Yet he has what, 3-4 rings?

Who was the QB for Tampa when they won it?

Kurt Warner was a franchise QB?


I agree it would be nice, but I do not think it is the "fix-all" everyone is making it out to be.

Brad Johnson, the current backup QB for Dallas Cowgirls.

[Hammock Parties]

The thing about this offense is so many of the throws are so simple, most any quarterback can make them.

You put Stafford in this offense and he'll able to make the plays Thigpen is making, plus a whole bunch of stuff from under center, more deep routes, etc.

You won't get all the plays Thigpen makes with his legs, but you won't care when he's firing frozen ropes on 20-yard outs.

[petegz28]

We're talking long-term. Not just next year.

The draft isn't all about what you need right ****ing now! This is what we're talking about when we've been criticizing True Fan and his longing for 9-7.

But QB is a huge ****ing need for this team. Huge.

I agree but we need a franchise pass rusher now more so than a franchise QB.

[Hootie]

he did play awful in the 2nd half...that's for sure...but they put an awful amount of pressure on the guy...especially when LJ is running the way he was running

[Mecca]

I agree but we need a franchise pass rusher now more so than a franchise QB.

What's the most valuable position on the field...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

How about we address the real weaknesses on the team and worry about becoming elite when that is done? If we successfully go 4-12 next year because of a lack at the QB position, you are in a position to draft that stud then.

Never mind, I know I am beating my head against the wall here (and I am sure several around here feel the same about me). I have said my peace, it is not up to me anyway. I will be rooting for the Chiefs either way. Enjoy the argument guys, I am out.

I forgot that Elway, Favre, Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, Staubach, and both Mannings were just "put us over the top" moves.

[Hootie]

oh, and, our defense doesn't help...ever...they truly suck...worst defense I've ever seen

on the bright side, one more week until this disaster ends...

[kstater]

Fuck man I don't know, how did Trent Dilfer win a SB? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick? Yet he has what, 3-4 rings?

Who was the QB for Tampa when they won it?

Kurt Warner was a franchise QB?


I agree it would be nice, but I do not think it is the "fix-all" everyone is making it out to be.

Well fuck then. Thiggy's going to ask for a big contract. Since a QB isn't that important, let him walk and have Huard lead us to a SB. A game manager QB is so important right?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

How many times do Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith have to get their asses kicked in the playoffs by Jim Kelly, John Elway, or Dan Marino for you people to learn what position is most important?

100? 1000?

[Rausch]

I agree but we need a franchise pass rusher now more so than a franchise QB.

We need about 15 new starters.

We're not going to get them all in one year.

I suppose I could sit here and argue with you which one's we get this year and which one's we get next but...why?

We aren't going to be even a playoff team without a fuck-ton of talent anyway...

[banyon]

**** man I don't know, how did Trent Dilfer win a SB? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick? Yet he has what, 3-4 rings?

Who was the QB for Tampa when they won it?

Kurt Warner was a franchise QB?


I agree it would be nice, but I do not think it is the "fix-all" everyone is making it out to be.

You can't plan your way into luck. Hopefully some guys turn out better than expected. Hoping we could morph one of these 6th rounders into the franchise guy though hasn't worked here. Ever.

Try running the numbers on teams making the super bowl, and see how many teams had a mediocre QB.

[KChiefsQT]

i like the guy
i'm rooting for the guy


but he blew countless throws deep today and choke in the 4th quarter again.


:cuss:

He needed an extra umpph when he was going long today for sure (whether the wind was with or against him..didn't seem to matter)... he looked decent in the first half. It's nice to see a KC QB run with the damn ball.. instead of honker down and take a sack. Haven't seen that in awhile.

...and yet again, we had some shitty ass play calling.

[DeezNutz]

What's the most valuable position on the field...

And what's easier to get later in the draft?

[petegz28]

Well **** then. Thiggy's going to ask for a big contract. Since a QB isn't that important, let him walk and have Huard lead us to a SB. A game manager QB is so important right?

Where did I say that? You guys are just acting liek the only way to win a SB is with a top 5 pick at QB. It would be nice. But we have more pressing issues. We have seen the last several games, just like under DV....we can score all the point sin the world. If we can't keep the other team from scoring more than us, then WTF does it matter who your QB is? :shrug:

[Hootie]

How many times do Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith have to get their asses kicked in the playoffs by Jim Kelly, John Elway, or Dan Marino for you people to learn what position is most important?

100? 1000?

We get it...but these guys don't grow on trees...if we draft Stafford or Bradford I'll be on their side, for sure...

at this point I just want it to end...all of it. This season is a nightmare.

[KcMizzou]

We get it...but these guys don't grow on trees...if we draft Stafford or Bradford I'll be on their side, for sure...

at this point I just want it to end...all of it. This season is a nightmare.Well, it did dethrone the King.

[beach tribe]

That's what I was thinking, why would you put in an offense and call plays like your line and offense will always have shitty players.

Exactly. We run this offense because it's the only thing that will work with this O-line personnel, and Thiggy has played well above all expectations, but I expect that personnel to improve, and it will have to, because you don't win in December, and January with this kind of offense.

[DeezNutz]

Well, it did dethrone the King.

And it's going to get Herm fired. This season is like disgusting, yet oddly wonderful tasting medicine.

[petegz28]

You can't plan your way into luck. Hopefully some guys turn out better than expercted. Hoping we could morph one of these 6th rounders into the franchise guy though hasn't worked here. Ever.

I think it is more about priorities. and I think QB is not the top priority like it was with Croyle our Huard being the man.

you're right. We cannot plan into luck. But I think we did get lucky with Thigy and I do not see him making any more mistakes than Favre, Manning, Aikman or any of these greats, made in their first years.


Tyler Thigpen drove a shitty O with a scheme most don't like for 500 and 31 on a top rated D.

I'd say I am more worried about the guy not sacking the QB as opposed to Thigy throwing a pick into double coverage in all of his 10 games.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We get it...but these guys don't grow on trees...if we draft Stafford or Bradford I'll be on their side, for sure...

at this point I just want it to end...all of it. This season is a nightmare.

This team wasn't going to win anything this year. There's no point to have an emotional investment into the wins and losses of a dead end team with no shot at competing. This year is a means to an end, but it seems nearly every Chiefs fan only thinks of this week.

It's a heroin addict mentality. It's all about the fix of this week, future be damned.

[Mecca]

Where did I say that? You guys are just acting liek the only way to win a SB is with a top 5 pick at QB. It would be nice. But we have more pressing issues. We have seen the last several games, just like under DV....we can score all the point sin the world. If we can't keep the other team from scoring more than us, then WTF does it matter who your QB is? :shrug:

You should never expect to be the exception to the rule, that's how you end up in a horrendous spot.

[Mecca]

I think it is more about priorities. and I think QB is not the top priority like it was with Croyle our Huard being the man.

you're right. We cannot plan into luck. But I think we did get lucky with Thigy and I do not see him making any more mistakes than Favre, Manning, Aikman or any of these greats, made in their first years.


Tyler Thigpen drove a shitty O with a scheme most don't like for 500 and 31 on a top rated D.

I'd say I am more worried about the guy not sacking the QB as opposed to Thigy throwing a pick into double coverage in all of his 10 games.

A QB not being the top priority is the KC mentality since 1990.

[petegz28]

You should never expect to be the exception to the rule, that's how you end up in a horrendous spot.

It is what it is. We have what we have. We have a kid who is basiclly playing by the seat of his pants and are you going to say he has not played well enough to win had we had even the 15th ranked defense? Hell, even the 20th ranked defense would have Thigy with a winniong record right now. That and something that resembled a running game would help too.

[KcMizzou]

A QB not being the top priority is the KC mentality since 1990.Luckily, there will be a new man in charge this time around.

[banyon]

I think it is more about priorities. and I think QB is not the top priority like it was with Croyle our Huard being the man.

you're right. We cannot plan into luck. But I think we did get lucky with Thigy and I do not see him making any more mistakes than Favre, Manning, Aikman or any of these greats, made in their first years.


Tyler Thigpen drove a shitty O with a scheme most don't like for 500 and 31 on a top rated D.

I'd say I am more worried about the guy not sacking the QB as opposed to Thigy throwing a pick into double coverage in all of his 10 games.

If your standard for QB ability is limited to "not making mistakes", then you and Herm should start up a very boring Madden season and have fun. The rest of the league, though puts value on other skills.

Hell, not making mistakes is what Huard was supposed to be so great at. The problem comes when they know you're no threat and they can stack 8-9 guys in the box. The reason Thigpen was more successful than Huard this year (among others) was that he was more of an offensive threat (of course it pretty hard to be less threatening than Huard). But the other Qb's you named are great because of the offensive threat they pose. I don't see from Thigpen yet the ability to do some of those things.

[petegz28]

A QB not being the top priority is the KC mentality since 1990.

We had the #1 offense for how many years with DV? Do you realize the #1 and #2 QB's in the league for those years were Manning and Green?


How many playoff games did it win us? You know, Indy never stopped our O either in the playoff game where we never stopped their O.

[Mecca]

It is what it is. We have what we have. We have a kid who is basiclly playing by the seat of his pants and are you going to say he has not played well enough to win had we had even the 15th ranked defense? Hell, even the 20th ranked defense would have Thigy with a winniong record right now. That and something that resembled a running game would help too.

Who's to say they still wouldn't win, most NFL games are close, the Chiefs don't win those games because they don't show up in the 2nd half or 4th quarters.

There's nothing to say if the defense was better they wouldn't be losing by different scores, you have to take this into account but this offense routinely folds in any sort of pressure situation.

[Mecca]

We had the #1 offense for how many years with DV? Do you realize the #1 and #2 QB's in the league for those years were Manning and Green?


How many playoff games did it win us? You know, Indy never stopped our O either in the playoff game where we never stopped their O.

1 guy was the product of a system the other guy is a HOFer which one won the game.

[banyon]

We had the #1 offense for how many years with DV? Do you realize the #1 and #2 QB's in the league for those years were Manning and Green?


How many playoff games did it win us? You know, Indy never stopped our O either in the playoff game where we never stopped their O.

It won Manning several. The difference was that their D wasn't complete dogsh*t. Just because you have a good QB doesn't mean you have to have a paper-mache Greg Robinson style D.

[Hootie]

This team wasn't going to win anything this year. There's no point to have an emotional investment into the wins and losses of a dead end team with no shot at competing. This year is a means to an end, but it seems nearly every Chiefs fan only thinks of this week.

It's a heroin addict mentality. It's all about the fix of this week, future be damned.

I'm not the type of fan to just not care...I'll cheer for a win every week...I just don't understand what happens after halftime...

I still think this offense and scheme with EVEN AN AVERAGE defense could win a lot of games...the defense puts way too much pressure on our offense...the defense is the problem, plain and simple...

For as bad as Thigpen played in the 4th quarter...the defense played fifty billion times worse to put him in that position...

28 first half points...this offense, this scheme and these players can win games...it looks like one of the most potent offenses in the league at times...the defense is the problem.

Even when we were the best offense in the league circa 2003-2005 we still had trouble scoring with our backs against the wall since we depended so heavily on the running game to set up the passing game...

Thigpen is a 2nd year guy...the defense is putting too much pressure on him.

[petegz28]

Who's to say they still wouldn't win, most NFL games are close, the Chiefs don't win those games because they don't show up in the 2nd half or 4th quarters.

There's nothing to say if the defense was better they wouldn't be losing by different scores, you have to take this into account but this offense routinely folds in any sort of pressure situation.

Ok well, I guess letting teams just drive the field at will in the 2nd half is Thigy's fault. I yield.

[petegz28]

It won Manning several. The difference was that their D wasn't complete dogsh*t. Just because you have a good QB doesn't mean you have to have a paper-mache Greg Robinson style D.

We do have a complete dogshit defense.

Thank you for making my point.

[Mecca]

Putting up 1 score in the 2nd halfs of games is his fault......go look at his numbers and the Chiefs offense in 2nd halfs...it's not impressive at all. They fold in close games.

[beach tribe]

We had the #1 offense for how many years with DV? Do you realize the #1 and #2 QB's in the league for those years were Manning and Green?


How many playoff games did it win us? You know, Indy never stopped our O either in the playoff game where we never stopped their O.

Yeah, the first rnd pick won the game. It just seems to happen that way, not saying that Trent had anything to do with the loss, but the #s don't lie, when you look at the % of SB, and PO winning QBs, and where they were drafted

[Hootie]

Thigpen was god awful in the 2nd half.

But it's the defense...

You should never score 28 first half points and lose a football game...

This defense is the worst defense I've ever seen...this team with the offensive scheme and AN AVERAGE defense would be a playoff caliber team.

[Mecca]

Thigpen was god awful in the 2nd half.

But it's the defense...

You should never score 28 first half points and lose a football game...

This defense is the worst defense I've ever seen...this team with the offensive scheme and AN AVERAGE defense would be a playoff caliber team.

They'd have a hard time with it because consistently running the ball in this offense when the defense knows it's coming would not be pretty.

[Hootie]

Putting up 1 score in the 2nd halfs of games is his fault......go look at his numbers and the Chiefs offense in 2nd halfs...it's not impressive at all. They fold in close games.

ok...

I agree.

He's a 2nd year player...the fact our defense constantly puts pressure on Tyler Thigpen to win games is not Tyler Thigpen's fault.

It takes a perfect game from Tyler Thigpen for this god awful team to win a game...our defense is the problem, not Tyler Thigpen.

I repeat, defense is the problem...

If we are in position to take Stafford...YAY...but if not, Tyler Thigpen is not the problem and we can win football games with him assuming the defense isn't the worst defense in the history of the NFL.

[Mecca]

Tyler Thigpens problem is that he routinely throws passes that could be picked off...he reminds me of Derrick Anderson. Anderson had a bunch of INT's dropped and saved by his receivers last year, this year it evened out like it always will..

If Thigpen got a reasonable percentage of his passes picked off that he puts up there that should be picked off you're talking about people saying he's awful on this forum.

[dirk digler]

They fold in close games.

Why does that surprise you? This is what you get with an extremely young football team. We all knew this going into the season at least I did.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I would say a decent, not even really good, but a decent defense would of kept us the leads we have managed to get just about every game with Thigy.

When are we going to remember that offense wins games but defense wins championships?

Far be it from me to defend this horrible defense but here it is:

They gave up 7 on a short field (31 yards) after a long KO return. (7-0)

They gave up 3 in a short field situation (18 yards) after Thiggs threw his first int. (10-0). So they gave up 28 points and 10 were thrust upon them by ST and an INT, which they saved from being 7.

So, there you go Pete. We actually won. If not for Thigpen and the ST's.

[Hootie]

They'd have a hard time with it because consistently running the ball in this offense when the defense knows it's coming would not be pretty.

We try to get too cute...

LJ didn't have one negative run on the day...

Neither did Charles.

The know-it-alls that claim you can't run from the spread are apparently morons...LJ continues to run like the LJ of old from this offense...

If someone told me we could put up 480 yards of total offense in the R2P2 I'd laugh my ass off...

Call Thigpen a choker...that's fine...he was bad today, he continues to be unimpressive in the 2nd half of football games...

But we've been in position to win 6 or 7 games this year with him and our defense NEVER comes up with a stop.

Give this team a defense like the Jets defense...a pretty good one...and we're a playoff team with Chan's spread and Thigpen behind center.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Thigpen is running on a Damon Huard in 2006 level of luck right now. You can't just keep forcing those balls in there and expect to keep rolling 7s indefinitely.

[Rausch]

Putting up 1 score in the 2nd halfs of games is his fault......go look at his numbers and the Chiefs offense in 2nd halfs...it's not impressive at all. They fold in close games.

What is Herm's history in KC in the second half?

I'll bet you it's less than impressive...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We try to get too cute...

LJ didn't have one negative run on the day...

Neither did Charles.

The know-it-alls that claim you can't run from the spread are apparently morons...LJ continues to run like the LJ of old from this offense...

If someone told me we could put up 480 yards of total offense in the R2P2 I'd laugh my ass off...

Call Thigpen a choker...that's fine...he was bad today, he continues to be unimpressive in the 2nd half of football games...

But we've been in position to win 6 or 7 games this year with him and our defense NEVER comes up with a stop.

Give this team a defense like the Jets defense...a pretty good one...and we're a playoff team with Chan's spread and Thigpen behind center.

Hootie,

LJ has had two games averaging over 3.8 YPC in this offense. This game and the Buffalo game, and in neither game did he get more than 12 carries.

[Mecca]

Why does that surprise you? This is what you get with an extremely young football team. We all knew this going into the season at least I did.

A bunch of young players being coached by Herm Edwards he's breeding chokers.

[Marcellus]

A QB not being the top priority is the KC mentality since 1990.

Hmmm lets see. Traded for Montana and it almost worked. Signed Grbac when he was fairly young and as much of a putz as he was he had some skills just wasn't a leader.

Traded a 1st for Trent Green, best QB we've had since Dawson.

Just because we didn't draft a QB in the first round, and I can't think of too many QB's we passed up on in the 1st in that time frame that turned out awesome, doesn't mean QB has not been any type of priority. I am using this example because you guys all act like if we don't draft a QB in the 1st round we are stupid.

Problem is, I think KC has bigger problems than QB. Dog Thigpen if you like because he hasn't won all these games his first time startiing but he is a better player at his position that most of the rest of the team.

He will not go into next year as the #1 guy anyway. He will be competing with somebody. The question is who.