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RINGLEADER
12-21-2008, 05:38 PM
To compare Thigpen to others as if he had been the starter in the spread offense from the first game (extrapolating out his current stats) he'd have 3,375 yard on 288 completions from 490 attempts (for a completion percentage of 58.8%). He'd also have 25 TDs against 13 INTs and a passer rating of 85.71.

That would rank him as the number 9 or 10 passer in terms of passing yardage, number 6 for TDs thrown, and number 17 for passer rating.

Don't understand why others don't think he's played well enough to be the starter. He's a rookie -- give him some time (and some better coaches) to improve his game.

KCChiefsFan88
12-21-2008, 05:43 PM
Why do so many Chiefs fans settle for absolute crap?

bowener
12-21-2008, 05:45 PM
Why do so many Chiefs fans settle for absolute crap?

Is this in response to Thigpen, or our previous quests down the 'pile of shit QB' trail?

Fruit Ninja
12-21-2008, 05:45 PM
Why do so many Chiefs fans settle for absolute crap?

Becuase we need help in other areas even worse. We scored 31 points, yet we gave up 38 points. Any offense shouldnt need 40 points to have a chance to win.


Thigpen needs some things to work on no doubt, but he shows flashes. Our defensive line hasnt shown flashes of shit. They SUCK. They are the worst defensive line in the "HISTORY" of the NFL. Look at the word history. Out of all the bad teams over the years, they are dead last.

the Talking Can
12-21-2008, 05:47 PM
Grbac threw for over 4000 yards in a season

the problem was that he was Elvis Grbac

Infidel Goat
12-21-2008, 05:49 PM
We also had 6 games against the AFC West which would help anyone...

ROYC75
12-21-2008, 05:51 PM
Thigpen is not the problem of this team, but he isn't the answer either.

Pass Rushers
Linebackers
Offensive Linemen

Then QB.......

Reerun_KC
12-21-2008, 05:53 PM
because they fans are going to hold on to mediocrity even after Carl is gone, 20 years of brain washing will take years to correct....

Thigpen needs to earn it next year with a real NFL staff and a proset offense. He needs to learn how to read and make choices from under center.

We will NEVER win anything if we cant get under center in the redzone. Sorry it just wont happen.

Besides, no need to argue it, we dont know whom the GM or HC is so its a moot point until then...

Fruit Ninja
12-21-2008, 05:54 PM
We wont win anything either if your defense is giving up 38 points at home. I dont care who your QB is you have to be able to stop the other team. Thats why they say, defense wins championships.

JuicesFlowing
12-21-2008, 05:55 PM
Trent Green was pretty good too once, but the Defense shit in his face.

Fruit Ninja
12-21-2008, 05:58 PM
Trent Green was pretty good too once, but the Defense shit in his face.

Yep, I think we all remember that Play off game against the Colts where we were scoring at will, yet they were too. DIdnt do us any fucking good if you cant stop anyone.

Extra Point
12-21-2008, 05:59 PM
As much as Thigpen did well today (300+ yards), I'm afraid he's the Bobby Fuller Five of the NFL: One season wonder. If he's as healthy and he beats out the upcoming 2nd rd draft pick during camp, is healthy next pre-season, and gets 3/4 W's, then he'll be a good QB next season.

Thiggy will be so far under the microscope, that they will cure at least two diseases before putting him on the field.

blueballs
12-21-2008, 06:01 PM
Herm got one thing right
we know he is a #2
being a #1 is up for debate

RINGLEADER
12-21-2008, 06:03 PM
We will NEVER win anything if we cant get under center in the redzone. Sorry it just wont happen.

I don't understand this. We're number 13 in red zone offense - scoring touchdowns .550% of the time (the same percentage as before we went to the spread).

ROYC75
12-21-2008, 06:06 PM
Cover 2 sucks with our guys...... No DL pressure.

Seriously, we haven't been in much cover 2 because we have no pass rush.

milkman
12-21-2008, 06:08 PM
Thigpen is not the problem of this team, but he isn't the answer either.

Pass Rushers
Linebackers
Offensive Linemen

Then QB.......

If you don't believe that you have the answer at QB, I don't care what other problems you have on your team, QB is the number one priority.

blueballs
12-21-2008, 06:09 PM
Cover 2 sucks with our guys...... No DL pressure.

Seriously, we haven't been in much cover 2 because we have no pass rush.

Thigpen playing two ways
as MLB doesn't help his cause

milkman
12-21-2008, 06:10 PM
We wont win anything either if your defense is giving up 38 points at home. I dont care who your QB is you have to be able to stop the other team. Thats why they say, defense wins championships.

That is an outdated truism.

While you still need defense to win championships, with the nuetering of today's defense, you have to score points to win championships in the game today.

RINGLEADER
12-21-2008, 06:11 PM
Yep, I think we all remember that Play off game against the Colts where we were scoring at will, yet they were too. DIdnt do us any ****ing good if you cant stop anyone.

That's part of my (obvious) point -- We're not going anywhere with anyone until the defense is fixed and if we had a defense that could hold opponents to 17 points or less we'd be 8-0-1 with Thigpen. Heck, hold them to 20 points and he'd still be 5-2-2.

kc-nd
12-21-2008, 06:16 PM
I remember what it was like before Thigpen took over. Watching the offense sucked. At least I have something to look forward to each week - and today was okay in my book.

Not bad for a third stringer in his first year and getting thrust into the game part ways into the season. In my opinion, he has been a pleasant surprise. Not perfect by any means, but if we're going to develop a QB, we'll see some of this. It will be interesting to see if the team goes with a different QB next year.

Now if the defense could just play a game ... I wish a third stringer would come in there and make things happen as much as Thigpen has.

Bob Dole
12-21-2008, 06:30 PM
I don't understand this. We're number 13 in red zone offense - scoring touchdowns .550% of the time (the same percentage as before we went to the spread).

Mecca has said it 407 times, so it must be true.

Johnny Vegas
12-21-2008, 06:49 PM
okay.

Thigpen came in and is now under Herm's control. New OC, lost sense of confidence from the offense, absolute worst offensive performance (instead of hoping for TD's we were praying for first down's) in the league mid way through the season.

Daunte Culpepper a once stud QB can't even come in to the Lions and perform up to the impact Thigpen has. Cassel has been learning the Patriots offense since 2005 with Tom Brady as his teacher. If thats any clue to why he's been successful since Brady's injury.

Think if Thigpen had learned this new offense for 3 years and came in. You can't, but you can see that his numbers coming in under a new system, and probably doesn't know half the players first names in the locker room, and gave the offense a new set of balls. They're getting first downs, TD's and scoring at least 21 points or more a game. Yet this is not what the fans wanted!?!?!

Count Alex's Wins
12-21-2008, 06:51 PM
Tyler Thigpen is a latter day Bill Kenney. He had some nice stats, too.

StcChief
12-21-2008, 06:54 PM
Tyler Thigpen is a latter day Bill Kenney. He had some nice stats, too.remains to be seen. too early to tell.

KCChiefsFan88
12-21-2008, 06:57 PM
The defense played like garbage for most of today, as they have all season, but when they gave Thigpen and the offense the opportunity to tie the game Thigpen choked.

It is that simple... Thigpen choked. He is a poor man's Derek Anderson

KCChiefsFan88
12-21-2008, 07:01 PM
If you don't believe that you have the answer at QB, I don't care what other problems you have on your team, QB is the number one priority.

The Chiefs can't go into another season without the QB situation settled.

Thigpen has earned the opportunity to not get his ass kicked to the curb in the pending franchise blow-up this offseason... but nothing more.

If the Chiefs make the move for Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels, Matt Cassel would be the perfect fit for the Chiefs starting QB in 2009.

ROYC75
12-21-2008, 07:03 PM
If you don't believe that you have the answer at QB, I don't care what other problems you have on your team, QB is the number one priority.

Do ?

Don't ?

Which is it ?

Sure Thigpen is not our answer ,Now. Can he be, we don't know this. Drafting a QB to be our QBOTF has been our # 1 priority for sometime. We don't have one and we still have many holes to fill. But Tyler is serviceable if we can slow down some teams.

Am I sold on Tyler as our QBOTF ? No. As bad as he played and looked today, it was by far better than Atlanta.

BTW, did you see our pass rush ?:doh!:

KCChiefsFan88
12-21-2008, 07:05 PM
Do ?

Don't ?

Which is it ?

Sure Thigpen is not our answer ,Now. Can he be, we don't know this. Drafting a QB to be our QBOTF has been our # 1 priority for sometime. We don't have one and we still have many holes to fill. But Tyler is serviceable if we can slow down some teams.

Am I sold on Tyler as our QBOTF ? No. As bad as he played and looked today, it was by far better than Atlanta.

BTW, did you see our pass rush ?:doh!:

Who says the Chiefs have to use the draft to get their starting QB?

The Chiefs can sign Matt Cassel this offseason... securing their starting QB and have the entire draft to address other needs.

milkman
12-21-2008, 07:15 PM
The Chiefs can't go into another season without the QB situation settled.

Thigpen has earned the opportunity to not get his ass kicked to the curb in the pending franchise blow-up this offseason... but nothing more.

If the Chiefs make the move for Scott Pioli and Josh McDaniels, Matt Cassel would be the perfect fit for the Chiefs starting QB in 2009.

Another poster made a good analogy.

Matt Cassell is just a Scott Mitchell waiting to happen.

Just say no to Cassell.

milkman
12-21-2008, 07:17 PM
Do ?

Don't ?

Which is it ?

Sure Thigpen is not our answer ,Now. Can he be, we don't know this. Drafting a QB to be our QBOTF has been our # 1 priority for sometime. We don't have one and we still have many holes to fill. But Tyler is serviceable if we can slow down some teams.

Am I sold on Tyler as our QBOTF ? No. As bad as he played and looked today, it was by far better than Atlanta.

BTW, did you see our pass rush ?:doh!:

I saw the pass rush this season.

It doesn't matter.

The single most important position in football is QB.

EyePod
12-21-2008, 07:19 PM
I'll post it here too:

I'm not sold on Thigpen, but I still don't think he's the problem for this team. If you saw Chad last week, he was able to sit on a lead. Thigpen can NEVER do that. He has too much pressure on him for a very young and inexperienced QB. We should never throw the ball that much with such a young QB. Look how the Ravens are using Flacco. That's the right way to nurture a young QB, especially when you have an AMAZING RB like LJ (Shown again today, and once again, underutilized).