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eazyb81
12-22-2008, 04:09 PM
.....reported by Mort on ESPN.

They could actually compete with us to sign the top GM candidate.

I hope Clark has been busy on the phone the last week....

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-22-2008, 04:12 PM
Dammit Carl!

88TG88
12-22-2008, 04:12 PM
come on down Carl

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 04:12 PM
Not a shock at all, but then again, I live in STL - so it's been a point of discussion for years.

Hiring Devaney last offseason was the first of many moves to get them back to respectability - getting Zygmunt and John Shaw's hands out of football operations will make a HUGE difference, IMO.


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/DFFCA7E92EE81372862575270016A147?OpenDocument

eazyb81
12-22-2008, 04:13 PM
Not a shock at all, but then again, I live in STL - so it's been a point of discussion for years.

Hiring Devaney last offseason was the first of many moves to get them back to respectability - getting Zygmunt and John Shaw's hands out of football operations will make a HUGE difference, IMO.

Do you think Devaney has a good chance at being named the new GM?

dirk digler
12-22-2008, 04:14 PM
Not a shock at all, but then again, I live in STL - so it's been a point of discussion for years.

Hiring Devaney last offseason was the first of many moves to get them back to respectability - getting Zygmunt and John Shaw's hands out of football operations will make a HUGE difference, IMO.

So are they in the market for a new GM or just going to promote someone from inside?

blueballs
12-22-2008, 04:14 PM
I hear they have stadium issues
Rams owner wants to go LA
that may even out

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 04:15 PM
Do you think Devaney has a good chance at being named the new GM?

Tough call, as he's only been in the organization a year.

I think he'll be given more responsibility, but they'll bring in a GM from outside the organization.

Mojo Jojo
12-22-2008, 04:22 PM
The hot rumor in northern Florida is that there is a race between the Rams and Jags to see who can get to LA first. Both have serious stadium issues as well as a tough time selling tickets.

While doing work in Jax last summer i even heard it thrown out that if the Rams go back to LA the Jags would look to move to St. Louis. Anyway the Rams have a lot of issues for the front office to deal with and I don't think that an outside GM would want all those headaches.

DJ's left nut
12-22-2008, 04:26 PM
I think the Chiefs job, at present, is a better job than the STL job.

Ownership in STL is still very much up in the air. Nobody's really sure if STL will stay in St. Louis (as outlined above). If they do stay, the fanbase is incredibly fickle, their stadium sucks and they have even less in the cupboard than we do, with some equally onerous contracts.

We oughta be able to beat out STL for the top guy (Doug Whaley...)

talastan
12-22-2008, 04:27 PM
I think the Chiefs job, at present, is a better job than the STL job.

Ownership in STL is still very much up in the air. Nobody's really sure if STL will stay in St. Louis (as outlined above). If they do stay, the fanbase is incredibly fickle, their stadium sucks and they have even less in the cupboard than we do, with some equally onerous contracts.

We oughta be able to beat out STL for the top guy (Doug Whaley...)

This!!

ClevelandBronco
12-22-2008, 04:30 PM
You should bring the guy in for a look.

eazyb81
12-22-2008, 04:31 PM
We oughta be able to beat out STL for the top guy (Doug Whaley...)

Whaley is an interesting choice, but I have a feeling his email debacle will be held against him for awhile.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-22-2008, 04:39 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Kansas City is a much better situation to be in than St. Louis. Your fanbase is far more stable, they have more pieces in place, and the ownership is more friendly to management.

BigMeatballDave
12-22-2008, 04:41 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Kansas City is a much better situation to be in than St. Louis. Your fanbase is far more stable, they have more pieces in place, and the ownership is more friendly to management.Not to mention the 30 mil in cap space we have...:D

NewChief
12-22-2008, 04:44 PM
The hot rumor in northern Florida is that there is a race between the Rams and Jags to see who can get to LA first. Both have serious stadium issues as well as a tough time selling tickets.

While doing work in Jax last summer i even heard it thrown out that if the Rams go back to LA the Jags would look to move to St. Louis. Anyway the Rams have a lot of issues for the front office to deal with and I don't think that an outside GM would want all those headaches.

I just talked with Trent about this Saturday night, because LA is definitely trying to get a team. He says the Rams will most likely stay in St. Louis because their stadium contract isn't up for a while. He said that the Vikings and the Jags are the two most likely to head to LA. He's not always the most accurately informed on everything, but he's more informed than me.

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 04:52 PM
I just talked with Trent about this Saturday night, because LA is definitely trying to get a team. He says the Rams will most likely stay in St. Louis because their stadium contract isn't up for a while. He said that the Vikings and the Jags are the two most likely to head to LA. He's not always the most accurately informed on everything, but he's more informed than me.

It makes sense.

The Rams are stone-cold-locked into their lease until 2012, I believe.

ChiefsCountry
12-22-2008, 05:15 PM
Jaguars are the most likely by far especially if Weaver sells. I still believe that the Jaguars were only chosen as the expansion team over St. Louis, Baltimore, Memphis bc they knew no team would move there and teams would move to the others. But if the Rams did move back to LA and say the Jaguars move to St. Louis talk about ironic.

talastan
12-22-2008, 05:39 PM
Jaguars are the most likely by far especially if Weaver sells. I still believe that the Jaguars were only chosen as the expansion team over St. Louis, Baltimore, Memphis bc they knew no team would move there and teams would move to the others. But if the Rams did move back to LA and say the Jaguars move to St. Louis talk about ironic.

St Louis Jaguars? Meh....Doesn't really sound as intimidating. :shrug:

BigRedChief
12-22-2008, 05:40 PM
No friggin way we lose out to the Rams.

bowener
12-22-2008, 06:40 PM
The hot rumor in northern Florida is that there is a race between the Rams and Jags to see who can get to LA first. Both have serious stadium issues as well as a tough time selling tickets.

While doing work in Jax last summer i even heard it thrown out that if the Rams go back to LA the Jags would look to move to St. Louis. Anyway the Rams have a lot of issues for the front office to deal with and I don't think that an outside GM would want all those headaches.

What about the Chargers? Doesn't there stadium contract run out in 09 and they said they werent staying if they didnt get a new stadium? I would prefer they move to LA, at least then the NFL stays with 32 teams and doesn't move a Fla team to LA, but they still would be in the AFC south if that happened, so I guess that is ok. Rams can do whatever, they dont matter.

blueballs
12-22-2008, 07:06 PM
Mort was just on and made it
sound like they could promote from within

beavis
12-22-2008, 07:06 PM
I just talked with Trent about this Saturday night, because LA is definitely trying to get a team. He says the Rams will most likely stay in St. Louis because their stadium contract isn't up for a while. He said that the Vikings and the Jags are the two most likely to head to LA. He's not always the most accurately informed on everything, but he's more informed than me.

Man that freakin' dome sucks, even as far as domes go. I went there for the first time this year for the Mizzou/Illinois game. For only being 15 years old, it sure it's very modern.

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:11 PM
I hear they have stadium issues
Rams owner WILL GET to LA
that may even out

FYP

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:13 PM
It makes sense.

The Rams are stone-cold-locked into their lease until 2012, I believe.

NOPE, i'll do some research and get back to ya.

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-22-2008, 07:17 PM
No friggin way we lose out to the Rams.

Why not? They have two Super-Bowl appearances in the last decade. We have...................................... Umm............................................ we'll there's.............................................................................................




pretty red uniforms?

chief52
12-22-2008, 07:17 PM
KC should be a very attractive position I would think. Secure owner...solid fan base...pretty good group of young players...high picks this year...cap $$$.

I see no reason why the Chiefs can not get the best available GM out there. Of the teams looking I would think the Chiefs stand above the rest.

kstater
12-22-2008, 07:18 PM
Why not? They have two Super-Bowl appearances in the last decade. We have...................................... Umm............................................ we'll there's.............................................................................................




pretty red uniforms?

Job security. 20 years without a super bowl is excellent job security.

blueballs
12-22-2008, 07:19 PM
NOPE, i'll do some research and get back to ya.

I vaguelly remember some talk
about conditions not being meet

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-22-2008, 07:19 PM
Job security. 20 years without a super bowl is excellent job security.

Ok there's that... and the post above.

I knew I was missing something.

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:22 PM
I vaguelly remember some talk
about conditions not being meet

you're right and the rams let the city lapse on the clause, the st louis post website is kinda fucked up it keeps showing me the forums not actual stories.
i had a discussion on another site at the time.

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 07:26 PM
NOPE, i'll do some research and get back to ya.

you're right and the rams let the city lapse on the clause, the st louis post website is kinda fucked up it keeps showing me the forums not actual stories.
i had a discussion on another site at the time.

Don't waste your time.

I was actually 3 years early. They are locked in until 2015. 2012 was the date that the Rams and the STL Visitors Commission were going to discuss options on how to get the stadium up to snuff before 2015.

http://www.hannibal.net/sports/x489861847/Lease-deal-could-hold-key-to-St-Louis-Rams-future

Posted May 21, 2008 @ 10:39 PM
St. Louis, MO —

For a town with an already fragile psyche when it comes to the NFL, news that the Rams might be on the sale block left St. Louis shaken.
But the team’s future may come down to whether there is a willingness to spend millions upgrading the Edward Jones Dome or even build a new stadium.
Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday that the Rams are being shopped for up to $900 million in the wake of the January death of longtime owner Georgia Frontiere, who moved the team from southern California to her hometown of St. Louis in 1995. Frontiere’s children, Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, are now majority owners.

The report raised concern here that for the second time in a little more than two decades, St. Louis could lose an NFL franchise. The Cardinals left for Arizona after the 1986 season. Los Angeles, the nation’s second-largest market, remains without an NFL team.
Rosenbloom released a written statement that read in part, “I can assure you we have every intention of keeping the Rams in St. Louis ...” But the statement stopped short of saying definitively the Rams will not be sold.
St. Louis has nothing to worry about in the short term. A lease agreement requires the Rams to remain at the dome through 2015. The problem comes after that.

To lure the Rams, civic leaders agreed to a deal requiring that the dome remains among the top quarter of all NFL stadiums. The next measuring date is 2015.

Starting in 2012, both the Rams and the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission can begin exchanging proposals on getting the dome to that elite status. If no deal is reached by 2015, the Rams have the option of ending the lease — and potentially moving.
Getting the dome to a top-tier level will be an expensive task, and funding will be problematic, said Brian McMurtry, executive director of the St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority. Maintenance and repair costs go up as the building ages, eating into any money that could be set aside for future renovations.

“There’s not going to be a pot of money,” McMurtry said Wednesday.
The dome was built strictly with public funding. Civic leaders agreed to attach it to the downtown convention center so it could be used for large shows and conventions as well as football. The state paid 50 percent of the cost, and St. Louis city and St. Louis County each paid 25 percent. The dome’s cost: $260 million.

New stadiums today cost three, four, five times that much. To be among the top quarter of all stadiums by 2015, the Edward Jones Dome would need to be on a level with the new $1.6 billion stadium for the Jets and Giants, the Cowboys’ new $1 billion stadium, new stadiums in Indianapolis and Arizona, among others.

Many observers believe the St. Louis dome ranks closer to the bottom of NFL stadiums. It has no expansive outdoor parking lot for tailgating, lacks a retractable roof and has been criticized for its sound system, lighting and for what some perceive as a sterile atmosphere.

Since the Yahoo story, much chatter on talk radio and blogs has focused on the need for an entirely new stadium. The dome will be 20 years old by 2015. The RCA Dome in Indianapolis wasn’t much older. The Colts move into a new stadium this year.

Whether hundreds of millions of dollars would be available to either upgrade the dome or build a new stadium may come down to voters. A charter amendment passed earlier this decade requires voter approval for public funding for a sports facility here.

Even the baseball Cardinals, beloved in St. Louis, couldn’t generate public support for a new ballpark. The downtown stadium that opened in 2006 was funded mostly by the team.

Mike Jones, senior policy adviser for St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley, doubted there would be political support for either an expensive upgrade to the dome or a new stadium.
“It still is a building that is used 10 times a year,” Jones said. “The real question is, does the community have both the capacity and the will to raise — you plug in the number — in 2015? And if you have that capacity and that will, is this the highest priority for that kind of expenditure of public resources?”

Ed Rhode, a spokesman for Mayor Francis Slay, said civic and business leaders and the community will eventually have to determine how to move forward. “But that is still seven years away,” Rhode said. “In the meantime we have some pressing needs to address like home foreclosures and high gas prices.”

McMurtry agreed there’s plenty of time to come up with a solution. And he points out that other NFL cities have found ways to make existing stadiums work. “Kansas City did a major renovation to an old stadium,” he said. “Green Bay did a major renovation. I think it’s plausible here.”

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:32 PM
trust me OTW there's an out, trust me. kroenke will end up being the maj owner and the team will be moved to la

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 07:36 PM
trust me OTW there's an out, trust me. kroenke will end up being the maj owner and the team will be moved to la

Trust you, or trust the person who's lived here his entire life, who knows more about the workings of that team than anyone on this board due to having a friend of the family working in the front office?

But feel free, waste the next eleventy-billion hours of your time looking for an out that doesn't exist until 2015.

bowener
12-22-2008, 07:39 PM
trust me OTW there's an out, trust me. kroenke will end up being the maj owner and the team will be moved to Bentonville, AR.

FYP

The kicker is, he will make it mandatory that all local Wal-Mart Co. employees own season tickets, and the Bentonville Rams will automatically be removed from the NFLPA, and paid 80% of the going rate as well as given no incentive laden contrats.

NewChief
12-22-2008, 07:41 PM
Man that freakin' dome sucks, even as far as domes go. I went there for the first time this year for the Mizzou/Illinois game. For only being 15 years old, it sure it's very modern.

It's nice enough as far as just the amenities, imo. That being said, I was going to Rams games there during their best seasons after Trent got hurt and Warner was the QB, and the atmosphere of that place during its golden years doesn't beat out the atmosphere at Arrowhead during its roughest times.

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:44 PM
Trust you, or trust the person who's lived here his entire life, who knows more about the workings of that team than anyone on this board due to having a friend of the family working in the front office?
But feel free, waste the next eleventy-billion hours of your time looking for an out that doesn't exist until 2015.

i wouldnt be too sure about that, but i wont argue about a team i care NOTHING about.

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 07:50 PM
i wouldnt be too sure about that, but i wont argue about a team i care NOTHING about.

You're not to sure that I have a friend of the family that works in the FO?

Is that a nice way of calling me a liar?

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:51 PM
You're not to sure that I have a friend of the family that works in the FO?

Is that a nice way of calling me a liar?

no i'm not too sure you know more than someone else about the rams, if i thought you were a liar i'd say it:D i fixed above post sorry for the confusion

OnTheWarpath58
12-22-2008, 07:53 PM
no i'm not too sure you know more than someone else about the rams, if i thought you were a liar i'd say it:D

Does anyone else have any connections inside the organization other than NewPhin?

It's the two of us, AFAIK.

JASONSAUTO
12-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Does anyone else have any connections inside the organization other than NewPhin?

It's the two of us, AFAIK.

ok cool

Mojo Jojo
12-22-2008, 08:23 PM
I have two very close friends that work there, and I have sat through several Rams/St. Louis Preservation Board meetings. Right now the monies scheduled for 2015 are being used over the next two seasons in order to bring the Dome to current standards. At that point the Preservation Board will need to come up with additional funds to meet the outlined projects that will come due in 2015.

In short the Rams are forcing the Boards hand, and if they can't meet a "state of the art indoor" facility then the agreement is void. The dome must be in the top 10% of indoor facilities, and the two sides are arguing if retractable roof stadiums can be considered indoor facilities. The Rams say yes the city says no. If it is yes then Houston, Phoenix and Dallas really seal the deal for the Rams to move.

Bull
12-22-2008, 08:34 PM
I hear Charlie Casserly is available, LOL

whoman69
12-22-2008, 10:52 PM
I think the Chiefs job, at present, is a better job than the STL job.

Ownership in STL is still very much up in the air. Nobody's really sure if STL will stay in St. Louis (as outlined above). If they do stay, the fanbase is incredibly fickle, their stadium sucks and they have even less in the cupboard than we do, with some equally onerous contracts.

We oughta be able to beat out STL for the top guy (Doug Whaley...)

I would agree. As a franchise right now the Chiefs are much more attractive. They have a proven devoted fan base that will come out if you put a decent product on the field. More revenue is available in KC, and its not like they're in competition with the Royals for the hearts and minds of their fans. The Rams are transplanted and haven't found a base that far outside their local area when KC brings in fans from many neighboring states. The Rams run into competition from all sides except perhaps Arkansas. KC also has more talented players than the Rams. On the field the Rams haven't been competitive for a few years now. Their stars are aging or have moved on. The only thing that could even make it close is that the Rams have shown more willingness to put their money behind their team.

StcChief
12-22-2008, 11:04 PM
I hear they have stadium issues
Rams owner wants to go LA
that may even outsurprise, they really didn't wanna leave to begin with, fans wouldn't watch the losers.

STL should have had JV or Carolina in expansion.