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John_Wayne
12-23-2008, 10:02 AM
I think Clark Hunt may have something in the works already that can be announced soon after sunday. I think it could happen quickly. Also, I think Herm could be gone very soon after the new GM is announced. I don't think they'll dilly dally around.

Brock
12-23-2008, 10:04 AM
You think Clark Hunt may have something in the works already that can be announced soon after sunday? You think it could happen quickly? Also, You think Herm could be gone very soon after the new GM is announced? You don't think they'll dilly dally around?

DaFace
12-23-2008, 10:05 AM
If they're going after anyone who's with a current team, they can't even talk to them until they're done for the season. Because of that, they can't have even interviewed anyone yet. I'd be VERY surprised if we hear anything within at least a week after the season ends.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 10:05 AM
I'm assuming we won't hear anything until after the SB.

BigCatDaddy
12-23-2008, 10:10 AM
If they're going after anyone who's with a current team, they can't even talk to them until they're done for the season. Because of that, they can't have even interviewed anyone yet. I'd be VERY surprised if we hear anything within at least a week after the season ends.

I thought they could with the teams permission.

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 10:11 AM
Interesting enough from a Lions website:

Thanks to a proposal passed at an NFL meeting this morning, they now have the potential to interview and hire employees of playoff teams before their playoff run is over.

Previously, there were restrictions on when teams could interview candidates under contract with playoff teams, and teams could not hire those candidates until after their seasons ended.

Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the proposal was submitted by the competition committee, not the Lions. Ironically, former Lions president Matt Millen used to be on the competition committee.

The proposal “allows employees of playoff clubs that are not high-level employees to be interviewed by other clubs for high-level positions during the postseason with the permission of the employer club and at the convenience of the employer club (not during a specific window only) and hired,” Aiello said. “The playoff club can deny permission to all requests. If it gives permission to such a person to be interviewed, that permission must be granted to any club that requests it during the postseason. An individual that is already a high-level employee is not eligible to be interviewed.”

John_Wayne
12-23-2008, 10:12 AM
Marty and Cowher aren't employed by an NFL team right now.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 10:12 AM
The Falcons hired Dimitroff before the Pats played in the Super Bowl, so I don't see any reason why we couldn't start to hear info on candidates and a decision within the next couple weeks.

RustShack
12-23-2008, 10:14 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:14 AM
Marty and Cowher aren't employed by an NFL team right now.

Dear God Please NO!!!!!!!!

Hoover
12-23-2008, 10:14 AM
I think it depends on whether or not that Pats make the playoffs. I think we will have a GM before the Super Bowl, and the Herm thing will be determined by then as well. GM once the Pats are done, HC 1 week after the SB.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:14 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

DEAR GOD PLEASE YES!!!!!!

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 10:15 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

There must be a God..

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:15 AM
I think it depends on whether or not that Pats make the playoffs. I think we will have a GM before the Super Bowl, and the Herm thing will be determined by then as well. GM once the Pats are done, HC 1 week after the SB.

I have a feeling after each ensuing debacle, Herm will be let go before the new GM is here...

Otherwise he wouldnt of told his asst coaches to start looking elsewhere. That is unless, Herm is getting ready for some serious bus chucking in an attempt to save his own weasel ass...

John_Wayne
12-23-2008, 10:15 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday. Yes, I hope so. I could see that happening. But, Clark said he would let the new GM decide Herm's fate. I don't think a new GM could be hired THAT quickly.

talastan
12-23-2008, 10:16 AM
I hope we don't have to wait too long, simply because I'd like to know the direction the team is going to move in. However this better not be a decision that Clark rushes by any means. This is arguably going to be the most important hire for the Chiefs for the next 5 years at least. Take the time necessary, but pull the trigger right away when the right guy is available.

John_Wayne
12-23-2008, 10:16 AM
Dear God Please NO!!!!!!!!

Cowher for HC = YES!

Marty for GM = Meh.

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 10:18 AM
they can, but they have to get permission from the team

But has to be people that don't have full control over personnel. I would highly doubt Scott Pioli has full control.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 10:21 AM
I'd like to see us snag Eric DeCosta and just get this over with.

DaFace
12-23-2008, 10:21 AM
Interesting enough from a Lions website:

Ahh...yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, I haven't ever figured out what a team's motivation would be to give another team permission in the first place. I'd think that would be a big distraction if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

Mojo Jojo
12-23-2008, 10:26 AM
I doubt that we will hear much publicly on who is or isn't a candidate. It protects the team and the person if things don't work out.

As the article states it's up to the team to grant permission to other teams while they are still playing. I think the key from the article is that once permission is granted to one team you must grant to all teams making a request. That may make an impact on teams granting "early" permission this year. Another thing to keep in mind a candidate may not want to interview until their team is done playing regardless of permission from the current employer.

Short of a friend of a friend who thought they saw someone at the airport; I doubt we'll hear anything until after the AFC/NFC Championship games.

FringeNC
12-23-2008, 10:30 AM
I keep reading in these posts about NE -- has there been anything more hinted about Pioli, or is it pure speculation?

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 10:31 AM
Ahh...yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, I haven't ever figured out what a team's motivation would be to give another team permission in the first place. I'd think that would be a big distraction if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

It depends on the person I suppose. Some of those people are probably not high profile so they won't garner much attention plus their jobs duties are probably light until the end of the season.

IMHO it is really up to the coaching staff now to be successful in the playoffs the front office is really out of the picture.

Mojo Jojo
12-23-2008, 10:32 AM
An "810 source inside Arrowhead" is code for we just make this up and don't want to be responsible for what we say. Anybody remember KK's inside sources that were going to expose the NFL drug ring at Arrowhead?

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 10:32 AM
I keep reading in these posts about NE -- has there been anything more hinted about Pioli, or is it pure speculation?

Pure speculation

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:33 AM
Cowher for HC = YES!

Marty for GM = Meh.

That would be a FAIL hire, Clark said he wanted Fresh Ideas and outlook on the franchise, not reliving the past with Marty Jr....

The best we can hope for is

GM's
Pioli
Ross
Poilan

HC's
Spags
OC from NE...

Otter
12-23-2008, 10:35 AM
I would guess 1 to 2 months after the last game.

FringeNC
12-23-2008, 10:37 AM
That would be a FAIL hire, Clark said he wanted Fresh Ideas and outlook on the franchise, not reliving the past with Marty Jr....

The best we can hope for is

GM's
Pioli
Ross
Poilan

HC's
Spags
OC from NE...

I read somewhere that McDaniels will follow Pioli. That's not really news, but the same article said that McDaniels would also be the first choice of Polian.

StcChief
12-23-2008, 10:37 AM
If they are after any playoff team it will have to wait.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:40 AM
I read somewhere that McDaniels will follow Pioli. That's not really news, but the same article said that McDaniels would also be the first choice of Polian.

Then how could you go wrong with either GM? both would be a solid hire and both would get the best coaches in here to rebuild this mess Herm and Carl are leaving us...

ChiefsCountry
12-23-2008, 10:43 AM
I'd like to see us snag Eric DeCosta and just get this over with.

This.

RustShack
12-23-2008, 10:46 AM
I don't know about McDaniels... Weis and Crennel haven't been that good. Really I don't think Manguini is that good either.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 10:46 AM
I read somewhere that McDaniels will follow Pioli. That's not really news, but the same article said that McDaniels would also be the first choice of Polian.

I think that's pure speculation. I'm guessing one writer tried to put two and two together, and then everyone else is running with it.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't know about McDaniels... Weis and Crennel haven't been that good. Really I don't think Manguini is that good either.

Fair Enough, take either of the 3 GM's and match them with Spagnula from NYG and you might have a pretty decent foundation to build upon?

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 10:50 AM
That would be a FAIL hire, Clark said he wanted Fresh Ideas and outlook on the franchise, not reliving the past with Marty Jr....

The best we can hope for is

GM's
Pioli
Ross
Poilan

HC's
Spags
OC from NE...

It's funny you mention Marc Ross, he has not received much hype on here at all but he seems like just as likely a candidate as DeCosta. He's the young, intelligent, hot shot GM with loads of draft experience that most on here seem to want.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:52 AM
It's funny you mention Marc Ross, he has not received much hype on here at all but he seems like just as likely a candidate as DeCosta. He's the young, intelligent, hot shot GM with loads of draft experience that most on here seem to want.

DeCosta, Can you give me a little background on him... I am not as up to date on him as the others...

Thanks in advance.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 10:53 AM
DeCosta, Can you give me a little background on him... I am not as up to date on him as the others...

Thanks in advance.

He's been the Director of College Scouting for the Ravens since 2003 - same position as Ross. He's basically 2nd in command to Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore.

ChiefsCountry
12-23-2008, 10:54 AM
DeCosta, Can you give me a little background on him... I am not as up to date on him as the others...

Thanks in advance.

Ravens director of college scouting

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:54 AM
He's been the Director of College Scouting for the Ravens since 2003 - same position as Ross. He's basically 2nd in command to Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore.

:clap:

Rep, much appreciated, going to go read up on him...

ChiefsCountry
12-23-2008, 10:55 AM
DeCosta or Ross is who I want. I want to stay far away as possible from Piolli.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 10:55 AM
Ravens director of college scouting

Rep for the info, appreciate it!

raybec 4
12-23-2008, 10:58 AM
I have a feeling after each ensuing debacle, Herm will be let go before the new GM is here...

Otherwise he wouldnt of told his asst coaches to start looking elsewhere. That is unless, Herm is getting ready for some serious bus chucking in an attempt to save his own weasel ass...

That would never happen, Herm is always willing to take blame for his failure. Just listen to any of his post game pressers and you will hear him admit his mistakes...........or not.

Lzen
12-23-2008, 11:02 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

Please, please, please God let this be true. That would make me so happy. http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/kamikaze/smilie_switch.gif

Mr. Laz
12-23-2008, 11:06 AM
i doubt it happns until after the super bowl


i ASSume that Clark will want to at least talk to scott pioli and chris polian ........ both will require them to wait until after the SB.

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 11:09 AM
i ASSume that Clark will want to at least talk to scott pioli and chris polian ........ both will require them to wait until after the SB.

No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.

Mr. Laz
12-23-2008, 11:13 AM
No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.
that pats have already denied permission to teams before.

both are consider "high level" imo and not eligible for the teams to approach before the super bowl

VP = high level
Defensive Backs coach = low level

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InChiefsHell
12-23-2008, 11:13 AM
DeCosta or Ross is who I want. I want to stay far away as possible from Piolli.

Why?

blueballs
12-23-2008, 11:18 AM
Pats spinoffs haven't been very successful
so far

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 11:21 AM
that pats have already denied permission to teams before.

both are consider "high level" imo and not eligible for the teams to approach before the super bowl

VP = high level
Defensive Backs coach = low level

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Edit: You could be right though it seems in this article only people that have full control can't be interviewed.

You are right though the teams can deny permission.


Thanks to a proposal passed at an NFL meeting this morning, they now have the potential to interview and hire employees of playoff teams before their playoff run is over.

Previously, there were restrictions on when teams could interview candidates under contract with playoff teams, and teams could not hire those candidates until after their seasons ended.

Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the proposal was submitted by the competition committee, not the Lions. Ironically, former Lions president Matt Millen used to be on the competition committee.

The proposal “allows employees of playoff clubs that are not high-level employees to be interviewed by other clubs for high-level positions during the postseason with the permission of the employer club and at the convenience of the employer club (not during a specific window only) and hired,” Aiello said. “The playoff club can deny permission to all requests. If it gives permission to such a person to be interviewed, that permission must be granted to any club that requests it during the postseason. An individual that is already a high-level employee is not eligible to be interviewed.”

R&GHomer
12-23-2008, 11:25 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

I guess that would mean, Clark would have already hired the new GM then. That or Herm up and retires. I don't see it playing out that way. I bet we don't hear anything until after the SB. Guy like Paolli "sp" aren't going to interview for a new position while their team is in the playoff's.

blueballs
12-23-2008, 11:27 AM
810 also said Herm was pushing for Kurhiric(spelling)
and when that didn't go over with Clark
the talk of burn out/retirement/baby squalling set in

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 11:32 AM
I guess that would mean, Clark would have already hired the new GM then. That or Herm up and retires. I don't see it playing out that way. I bet we don't hear anything until after the SB. Guy like Paolli "sp" aren't going to interview for a new position while their team is in the playoff's.

Well for the Pats that may well be on Sunday :D

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 11:33 AM
No it won't unless the Pats and Colts deny permission.

Neither one of them have full control over personnel.

Now as far as when it will be decided who knows but they don't have to wait to interview those guys as long as they get permission.

I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 11:35 AM
I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.

I honestly didn't know they denied him from interviewing.

He was my favorite and now you ruined my Christmas. Thanks alot eazy. :deevee:

:D

booger
12-23-2008, 11:39 AM
Not just GM but the rest of the personell department on down will be interesting how that fills out. First with Kuharich. He might not be able to get another GM shot because of the Ricky williams trade and be like Al Saunders was when Gun got HC. Saunders of course left and Kuharich could take the same route. Who knows what his feelings are on the matter.

So actually, a guy Like DeCosta as Director of College Scouting could be brought in as an asst. GM or VP of player personell(Kuharich's current title) and it would still be a promotion.

It will be interesting what happens to Ray Farmer too. He came in the same time as Herm as director of Pro personell.

blueballs
12-23-2008, 11:42 AM
a front office hard knocks show
should spring up overnight HBO

Brock
12-23-2008, 11:48 AM
I don't know why people continue to bring up Polian. The Colts have denied permission to interview him three teams the last two years, and it's all but set in stone that he will take over control once his dad retires.

Yeah, he doesn't want to leave in any case. Not a realistic candidate, but the Chiefs should ask anyway.

CupidStunt
12-23-2008, 11:50 AM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

Rubbish. Clark specifically said the new GM will have a strong input on the coach, so he's not going to go against that and fire Herm before hiring a GM, which in itself won't happen before mid-January at the earliest.

scooter
12-23-2008, 11:59 AM
It will be interesting what happens to Ray Farmer too. He came in the same time as Herm as director of Pro personell.

"Ray... Ray Farmer wants to see you in his office....bring your playbook."

John_Wayne
12-23-2008, 12:03 PM
I would guess 1 to 2 months after the last game. Give me a break! The NFL draft is in April! :cuss:

beach tribe
12-23-2008, 12:03 PM
Rubbish. Clark specifically said the new GM will have a strong input on the coach, so he's not going to go against that and fire Herm before hiring a GM, which in itself won't happen before mid-January at the earliest.

Maybe he meant he'll have strong input on the NEW coach, because Herm"s ass is gone. I know, I'm just lying to myself to make me feel good.

booger
12-23-2008, 12:07 PM
"Ray... Ray Farmer wants to see you in his office....bring your playbook."

Wonder if anyone played that trick on Carl recently

Frosty
12-23-2008, 12:15 PM
Give me a break! The NFL draft is in April! :cuss:

And free agency starts in February, IIRC.

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 12:58 PM
The Falcons hired Dimitroff before the Pats played in the Super Bowl, so I don't see any reason why we couldn't start to hear info on candidates and a decision within the next couple weeks.

Not sure if the Pats needed to give permission for that or not. Nonetheless, it's more than clear based on Dimitroff's statements that he and the Pats had a very friendly parting. It was also an obvious promotion for him.

Pats have argued in the past (for whatever it is worth), that Pioli is the GM and that the Pats would need comp for him if someone wants him. It may be a weak argument, but that's the rumor anyway.

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 12:59 PM
I think it depends on whether or not that Pats make the playoffs. I think we will have a GM before the Super Bowl, and the Herm thing will be determined by then as well. GM once the Pats are done, HC 1 week after the SB.

Aren't you a bit overly focused on Pioli? :D

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 01:02 PM
But has to be people that don't have full control over personnel. I would highly doubt Scott Pioli has full control.

Pats have ARGUED it. Not sure it's true, but they have argued that they will need comp to have him.

King_Chief_Fan
12-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Not sure if the Pats needed to give permission for that or not. Nonetheless, it's more than clear based on Dimitroff's statements that he and the Pats had a very friendly parting. It was also an obvious promotion for him.

Pats have argued in the past (for whatever it is worth), that Pioli is the GM and that the Pats would need comp for him if someone wants him. It may be a weak argument, but that's the rumor anyway.

GM's are open market. What will they do, refuse to accept his resignation?

Stryker
12-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Pats have ARGUED it. Not sure it's true, but they have argued that they will need comp to have him.

Soooooo, WE get a shot @ him but surrender our first round draft pick - :cuss:

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 01:09 PM
I don't know about McDaniels... Weis and Crennel haven't been that good. Really I don't think Manguini is that good either.

He's not. :D

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 01:10 PM
Soooooo, WE get a shot @ him but surrender our first round draft pick - :cuss:

No idea what round Pats would be looking for. They might settle for less just to resolve the matter without going to arbitration over whether any comp is necessary.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 01:10 PM
GM's are open market. What will they do, refuse to accept his resignation?

Why would this be so different than when we gave draft comp for Vermeil or Herm?

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 01:15 PM
GM's are open market. What will they do, refuse to accept his resignation?

You are incorrect. In general, if the person is under contract, then you can't hire them away without giving comp unless it's a promotion, which in the case of GMs means they move from a position in which they do not have final say on all personnel matters to one in which they do have final say.

You can't resign when you're under contract.

King_Chief_Fan
12-23-2008, 01:16 PM
You are incorrect. In general, if the person is under contract, then you can't hire them away without giving comp unless it's a promotion, which in the case of GMs means they move from a position in which they do not have final say on all personnel matters to one in which they do have final say.

You can't resign when you're under contract.
we will promote him then:D

Amnorix
12-23-2008, 01:18 PM
we will promote him then:D

As I've said, the Pats maintain that Pioli does have final say already, in that it's joint with Belichick or something. It's odd, but they've stuck to that line for years now.

MahiMike
12-23-2008, 01:26 PM
Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.

InChiefsHell
12-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.

I'm guessing he's been "marinating" this one since the end of last season, fwiw...

Manila-Chief
12-23-2008, 01:47 PM
Pats have ARGUED it. Not sure it's true, but they have argued that they will need comp to have him.

We should not give draft picks for him. Too many other good ones out there. The last time we gave picks for a leader it didn't turn out so well...

blueballs
12-23-2008, 01:49 PM
Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.

this
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almost


Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, pilgrim.

there

Crush
12-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.


Free agency is in February and the draft is in April. This team needs to get its ass in gear.

Sure-Oz
12-23-2008, 01:56 PM
Fuck the pats on compensation, lets just give them our practice tapes

Craqhead
12-23-2008, 02:13 PM
Cowher for HC = YES!

Marty for GM = Meh.

NO

NO

Sure-Oz
12-23-2008, 02:17 PM
NO

NO

Even a crack head can figure it out

aturnis
12-23-2008, 03:19 PM
Pioli is the V.P. of player personnel. Not the G.M. If he was, they'd need to label him that, and pay him that dough. Until then, he's fair game.

DMAC
12-23-2008, 03:25 PM
Maybe he meant he'll have strong input on the NEW coach, because Herm"s ass is gone. I know, I'm just lying to myself to make me feel good.Makes perfect sense to me. If Clark doesnt want Herm, as he shouldn't, his ass WILL be gone on Monday.

I think it should be obvious to any Owner/GM/President/Dog/Inanimate Object, that Herm should not be here regardless of who is hired.

dirk digler
12-23-2008, 03:45 PM
Pats have ARGUED it. Not sure it's true, but they have argued that they will need comp to have him.

Interesting.

His official title is VP - Player Personnel so I would imagine GM would be the higher title.:shrug:

Also from the Pats own website from earlier this year with Pioli in a press conference

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=generalnewsdetail&pid=30721&pcid=0

on why he has not left New England despite numerous opportunities)
"This is a good situation. We're winning football. Because of what my title is, people have a perception. I know how things go inside. I'm happy with the situation (and) the way things are right now. We're up for our fourth Super Bowl (and) we've been here eight years. It's a pretty good situation."
(on temptations of leaving)
"They're been questions and temptations, (but) so far this is where that I wanted to be."

Darth CarlSatan
12-23-2008, 03:59 PM
I have a feeling after each ensuing debacle, Herm will be let go before the new GM is here...

Otherwise he wouldnt of told his asst coaches to start looking elsewhere. That is unless, Herm is getting ready for some serious bus chucking in an attempt to save his own weasel ass...

That would never happen. You're dreaming.

Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.

Sanity.

Why?

It endangers the "Stafford Connection".

cabletech94
12-23-2008, 04:39 PM
You are incorrect. In general, if the person is under contract, then you can't hire them away without giving comp unless it's a promotion, which in the case of GMs means they move from a position in which they do not have final say on all personnel matters to one in which they do have final say.

You can't resign when you're under contract.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but didn't King Carl resign (under contract)?
I may have missed something though. He may have *resigned*, but was really fired. That may be my perception tho.

bishop_74
12-23-2008, 04:55 PM
Not trying to be a jerk here, but didn't King Carl resign (under contract)?
I may have missed something though. He may have *resigned*, but was really fired. That may be my perception tho.

Clark accepted his resignation and still has to pay him.

Boris The Great
12-23-2008, 06:25 PM
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

The Colts have not denied Chris Polian permission to interview with teams for GM type jobs. They cant deny him permission to interview if the job is a promotion. Polian himself has personally declined to interview for jobs, including Atlanta last year. But that was his decision, not the Colts. A few years ago Polian interviewed for some jobs with teams that werent even as high on the totem poll as the GM position. The Colts cant stop him from talking to people unless the job is a lateral move.

Same with Pioli. Pioli has turned down an offer from Seattle, and turned down a chance to interview with the Giants. But the Patriots did not refuse him from talking to those teams. Pioli decided not to himself.

Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 06:27 PM
Polian actually interviewed with Atlanta, they told him he had to keep some of the front office people that were already there and stuff like that, basically saying he couldn't have all of his people in every spot.

Shortly after he withdrew his name from consideration.

KCChiefsFan88
12-23-2008, 06:30 PM
If your hoping the next GM is Scott Pioli (which I am) then root for either the Dolphins to win, or the Patriots to lose so the Patriots are out of the playoffs and the Chiefs can get their hands on Pioli quicker.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 06:31 PM
The Dolphins will probably win with how the Jets are playing right now.

Boris The Great
12-23-2008, 06:38 PM
Polian actually interviewed with Atlanta, they told him he had to keep some of the front office people that were already there and stuff like that, basically saying he couldn\'t have all of his people in every spot.

Shortly after he withdrew his name from consideration.

Polian never officially interviewed with Atlanta. The talk about not having full control was one of the many things that came out about Arthur Blank and his interview process, including that he supposedly wanted the candidates to take IQ tests during the interview. Blank also involved 9 or 10 other front office people in the interviews, which people thought was crazy because if any of those guys wanted the GM job for themselves they would likely try to sabotage the other candidates.

The rumors of not having control might have been part of why Polian pulled out, but he never officially sat down to hear it from Blanks mouth.

bowener
12-23-2008, 09:00 PM
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

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eazyb81
12-23-2008, 09:05 PM
I'm not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn't give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job. It looks pretty clear that he's going to takeover control of the Colts once his dad steps down.

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=14243

FringeNC
12-23-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn't give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job. It looks pretty clear that he's going to takeover control of the Colts once his dad steps down.

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=14243

Interesting read, but I think what happened is that Irsay convinced Polian not to interview by promising him the GM position.

Here's a quote from last year:

"NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Falcons owner Arthur Blank's interview request was turned down by Colts assistant GM Chris Polian. "

Boris The Great
12-23-2008, 10:11 PM
Im not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn\'t give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job.

It doesnt actually say he didnt give permission. And it wouldnt say that because Irsay has no say over it. As mentioned before, teams cannot prevent their employees from interviewing for higher level jobs. In fact, Polian did interview for at least one of those jobs that was mentioned, the one with San Francisco. He just didnt take it.

What the article says is that Irsay swatted away the attempts by other teams to lure Polian, which could be taken several ways. And since it cant mean that he didnt allow permission, it likely means he did various things to keep Polian with the Colts (raise, promotion, so on).

reiko57
12-23-2008, 10:19 PM
Ahh...yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, I haven't ever figured out what a team's motivation would be to give another team permission in the first place. I'd think that would be a big distraction if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

what do front office guys have to do with playoff games?

dirk digler
12-24-2008, 12:56 PM
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.


Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.

You're wrong on this. If they are under contract the club can deny permission. They changed the rules this year at the owner's meetings.

Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)