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SNR
12-23-2008, 11:37 AM
I'm going to get verbally raped over this. But that's cool, because there's a small chance that it might be a good idea.

Okay, how about this? Ready? Okay.

Brian Billick.

We bring in Brian Billick as head coach. I thnk Marvin Lewis gets canned in Cincy and he comes back as a defensive coordinator. The GM works with Billick to find an offensive coordinator that doesn't suck (perhaps Chan sticks on) and this time Billick works better with the offense now that he's not inheriting a defense-first team (or an offense-first team for that matter, but still...)

Is it unlikely? Yes. Is it stupid? Maybe, but leaning towards yes. Is it stupid to even talk about such a scenario where such big ego coaches would voluntarily get together on a crap team to try to repeat what they had 8 years ago and left for selfish glory? I think so.

But could it work? You know what, I think it would.

StcChief
12-23-2008, 11:48 AM
Bill > Herm but not sure it works.

Dr. Facebook Fever
12-23-2008, 11:50 AM
I like Billick. I wanted to hire him out of Minnesota when he ran a great offense. Now he's shown he can run a great defense too. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

StcChief
12-23-2008, 11:54 AM
I like Billick. I wanted to hire him out of Minnesota when he ran a great offense. No he's shown he can run a great defense too. I'd take him in a heartbeat.we are Wide open at this point, he might do it....

Micjones
12-23-2008, 12:03 PM
Winning record as a Head Coach, Superbowl Winner, 5-3 post-season record.

I'd take Brian Billick.

PastorMikH
12-23-2008, 12:04 PM
Brian Billick wouldn't bother me at all.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 12:09 PM
The only problem with Billick for me is that he was hailed as this offensive genius before coming to Baltimore, and their offense was awful the whole time he was there. The defense won his that Super Bowl.

BigCatDaddy
12-23-2008, 12:09 PM
Brian Billick wouldn't bother me at all.

He's no Gun, but we could do worse.

SNR
12-23-2008, 12:10 PM
I just wish I knew what went wrong with his offenses in Baltimore. Obviously he had no problem as an offensive coordinator in Minnesota, but he could never seem to find the right talent at receiver and QB to make it work, even with a power run-block Oline and a 2000 yard rusher one year.

SNR
12-23-2008, 12:10 PM
The only problem with Billick for me is that he was hailed as this offensive genius before coming to Baltimore, and their offense was awful the whole time he was there. The defense won his that Super Bowl.Yeah. If I knew what was up, I might be more confident in this suggestion.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 12:11 PM
Would he be a good DC?

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 12:12 PM
Would he be a good DC?

He doesn't have any experience on the defensive side, so I'd say no.

MahiMike
12-23-2008, 12:23 PM
Too much of a mixed salad here for me. 1 portion Billick, 1 portion Gailey, 1 portion Crennel.

I want our GM to pick all the pieces.

Taco John
12-23-2008, 12:27 PM
I don't have a ton of respect for Billick's offensive acumen despite the noise he made in Minnesota. Any offensive coordinator who had Moss on their team at that point in time was going to be hailed as an offensive genius. He hasn't looked like such a wizard without the benefit of just being able to throw up junk to Moss. Plus, he had Priest Holmes on his team, and let him get away. I don't have to tell anyone here how stupid that move was. And even after all that, anyone can see that without Marvin Lewis, he hasn't been able to get anything accomplished.

ALL THAT SAID...

Billick possesses a quality that works as a head coach. I think as long as a team can get him players, and coordinators who are cunning as they are competent, I think Billick would be able to put together a team that can be competitive. And if all the stars aligned just right, perhaps even a Super Bowl winner...

I wouldn't want to give the guy any GM power though, and I'm betting that he'd want it.

Deberg_1990
12-23-2008, 12:31 PM
The only problem with Billick for me is that he was hailed as this offensive genius before coming to Baltimore, and their offense was awful the whole time he was there. The defense won his that Super Bowl.

Its because he could never find a decent QB. Its not like they didnt try.

blueballs
12-23-2008, 12:34 PM
AKA -The Quaterback Killer
edit: would want a proven QB vet with Billick

Crush
12-23-2008, 12:35 PM
Its because he could never find a decent QB. Its not like they didnt try.


Yep. If Kyle Boller turned out to be even halfway decent, the Ravens would have won another Super Bowl under his tenure.

Crush
12-23-2008, 12:36 PM
However, I am going to say no to Billick. I want someone new and fresh to help rebuild this team.

Brock
12-23-2008, 12:40 PM
Thought Elvis Grbac was good.

B_Ambuehl
12-23-2008, 12:50 PM
How is it that guys like Mike Martz can continually get practice squad foodder and turn them into legit NFL quarterbacks, whereas Brian Billick went through 4 or 5 and coudln't get anything?


Maybe it's because Martz is a much better offensive football coach.

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 12:51 PM
How is it that guys like Mike Martz can continually get practice squad foodder and turn them into legit NFL quarterbacks, whereas Brian Billick went through 4 or 5 and coudln't get anything?


Maybe it's because Martz is a much better offensive football coach.

Yep. I think Billick's success at Minnesota had more to do with having Randy Moss than any brilliance on Billick's part.

Chiefnj2
12-23-2008, 12:57 PM
I don't think I'd want to bring in a head coach that was unable to develop a QB when that is exactly what KC needs.

InChiefsHell
12-23-2008, 12:59 PM
I agree...but I sure do like his Coors Light commercials...

Sure-Oz
12-23-2008, 01:03 PM
Yep. I think Billick's success at Minnesota had more to do with having Randy Moss than any brilliance on Billick's part.

Damnit

jrowe
12-23-2008, 01:12 PM
He's been one of my top choices to replace Herm ever since Herm was hired.

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-23-2008, 02:23 PM
I find it a bit ironic that Baltimore got their QB issues figured out as soon as the offensive genius left.

Yep. I think Billick's success at Minnesota had more to do with having Randy Moss than any brilliance on Billick's part.
And having Chris Carter, Jake Reed, Robert Smith and a couple Pro Bowlers on the OL didn't hurt either.

jjchieffan
12-23-2008, 03:21 PM
I find it a bit ironic that Baltimore got their QB issues figured out as soon as the offensive genius left.


And having Chris Carter, Jake Reed, Robert Smith and a couple Pro Bowlers on the OL didn't hurt either.

Yeah, ironic isn't it? I never could figure out Billick. The man was an offensive genius in Minnesota, yet in all his years in Baltimore, he could never develop one quarterback, and his offense was never very good, yet his defenses were dominant year in and year out. It would appear that he was just in a can't miss situation in Minnesota, much like many people say Gun was in his first stint here. I think I pass on Billick.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 04:01 PM
Billick and Mike Nolan are putting themselves together as a package deal, that's the rumor anyway.

blueballs
12-23-2008, 04:10 PM
soon to be followed by the Mora Jr
Mooch
and Butch Davis for HC threads

RustShack
12-23-2008, 04:12 PM
Haven't the Bengles had a bad defense under Lewis like the entire time hes been there?

Mr. Laz
12-23-2008, 04:13 PM
ewwwww

KCChiefsFan88
12-23-2008, 05:16 PM
I like Billick. I wanted to hire him out of Minnesota when he ran a great offense. Now he's shown he can run a great defense too. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I craved Billick when he was coming off coordinating that record breaking offense with the Vikings (that was the offseason Marty resigned and the Chiefs went with Goonther instead).

But after watching his failures on offense in Baltimore I don't want him.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 05:18 PM
Brian Billick showed he can use talent of he has it but he isn't a good judge of it, Baltimore whiffed on alot of offensive players in that period.

Rigodan
12-23-2008, 05:38 PM
Head Coaches don't have necessarily have to be good running an O or D to be successful HC. The biggest thing they need to do is set the tone for the team. Keep everyone focused, upbeat and motivated to get better is really important. Example: Mike Tomlin was in charge of a 4-3 as Minnesota DC and now is doing well as Steelers HC who run a 3-4. Mike Smith (I think it was him) was a position coach and now has the Falcons in the playoffs.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 05:39 PM
Head Coaches don't have necessarily have to be good running an O or D to be successful HC. The biggest thing they need to do is set the tone for the team. Keep everyone focused, upbeat and motivated to get better is really important. Example: Mike Tomlin was in charge of a 4-3 as Minnesota DC and now is doing well as Steelers HC who run a 3-4. Mike Smith (I think it was him) was a position coach and now has the Falcons in the playoffs.

Actually Mike Smith was Jacksonvilles DC.

Rigodan
12-23-2008, 05:42 PM
Actually Mike Smith was Jacksonvilles DC.

Ok not him but I thought someone got hired in the off season who was a position coach.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 05:44 PM
Ok not him but I thought someone got hired in the off season who was a position coach.

The closest to that is probably Harbaugh who was a special teams coach.

Rigodan
12-23-2008, 05:49 PM
The closest to that is probably Harbaugh who was a special teams coach.

Ya thats who I was thinking of. Thanks

patteeu
12-23-2008, 06:01 PM
Thought Elvis Grbac was good.

That settles it for me. No.

:)

wasi
12-23-2008, 06:48 PM
Head Coaches don't have necessarily have to be good running an O or D to be successful HC. The biggest thing they need to do is set the tone for the team. Keep everyone focused, upbeat and motivated to get better is really important.

Isn't this exactly what Herm is good at, or what he is being praised for by the media and players?

Frazod
12-23-2008, 06:49 PM
Well, he's better than fucking Martz.

Johnny Vegas
12-23-2008, 07:15 PM
I just wish I knew what went wrong with his offenses in Baltimore. Obviously he had no problem as an offensive coordinator in Minnesota, but he could never seem to find the right talent at receiver and QB to make it work, even with a power run-block Oline and a 2000 yard rusher one year.

then, no I wouldn't want him.

Reerun_KC
12-23-2008, 08:24 PM
No thanks, Didnt he sign Grbac to a monster deal? Plus he had lunch with KCJohnny in the middle east and said he liked Herm...

That was the deal breaker for me...

Rigodan
12-23-2008, 10:06 PM
Isn't this exactly what Herm is good at, or what he is being praised for by the media and players?

True but Herm's Tampa 2 with no pass rush negates this. We haven't been able to hold any lead in the 4th qtr this year because of his D.

jjchieffan
12-24-2008, 01:39 AM
Ok not him but I thought someone got hired in the off season who was a position coach.

I think Sporano was a defensive line coach.

KCChiefsMan
12-24-2008, 03:45 AM
Thought Elvis Grbac was good.

oooohh ya. I totally forgot about that

KCJohnny
12-24-2008, 07:25 AM
I met BB in Baghdad in February. Class guy, good human being, a football guru. I would have been totally happy if Carl had brought BB in here instead of Herm. If Herm goes, BB is welcome in my book.

dirk digler
12-24-2008, 08:12 AM
I don't have a ton of respect for Billick's offensive acumen despite the noise he made in Minnesota. Any offensive coordinator who had Moss on their team at that point in time was going to be hailed as an offensive genius. He hasn't looked like such a wizard without the benefit of just being able to throw up junk to Moss. Plus, he had Priest Holmes on his team, and let him get away. I don't have to tell anyone here how stupid that move was. And even after all that, anyone can see that without Marvin Lewis, he hasn't been able to get anything accomplished.

ALL THAT SAID...

Billick possesses a quality that works as a head coach. I think as long as a team can get him players, and coordinators who are cunning as they are competent, I think Billick would be able to put together a team that can be competitive. And if all the stars aligned just right, perhaps even a Super Bowl winner...

I wouldn't want to give the guy any GM power though, and I'm betting that he'd want it.

I agree. The Raven's offense under Billick was horrible and they tried alot of different QB's and only Dilfer for 1 season and McNair for 1 season were any good.

RippedmyFlesh
12-24-2008, 10:00 AM
The only problem with Billick for me is that he was hailed as this offensive genius before coming to Baltimore, and their offense was awful the whole time he was there. The defense won his that Super Bowl.
Doesn't it seem like that happens alot?
Lewis was going to fix the bengals defense too how did that work out?
I think coaches get too much credit it's the players not the coaches that get the job done.

doomy3
12-24-2008, 10:04 AM
Doesn't it seem like that happens alot?
Lewis was going to fix the bengals defense too how did that work out?
I think coaches get too much credit it's the players not the coaches that get the job done.

Agree 100%. They also get too much blame....

It all comes down to a good GM and player personelle IMO

DeepPurple
12-24-2008, 12:10 PM
I read on another board that they are marketing the package of Billick as HC and Mike Nolan as DC, I think that would be a good fit for KC. I don't believe the Bengals are letting go of Marvin Lewis.

The positives are Billick will seem like a breath of fresh air, he did in Baltimore back in 1999 when he started, won Super Bowl XXXV his second season. However, after nine seasons, kind of the same as you see now with Andy Reid in Philly after 10 seasons, he wore out his welcome. He's coaches somewhat similiar to Marty-ball, plays conservative with 'not to lose' playcalling and will try to sit on the lead when he gets ahead.

The negatives are, he isn't the greatest at judging talent. After winning the Super Bowl, I never forgave Billick for not bringing back Trent Dilfer and we endured Elvis Grbac, Jeff Blake, Anthony Wright and first round pick Kyle Boller. Priest Holmes played fantastic whenever he touched the ball for four years, instead Billick drafted Jamal Lewis and let Priest leave. Lewis was good, but not versatile with the pass and had injury and drug problems.

Now with Billick you'll get a guy who has nine years HC experience, all in the AFC. He's had a chance to take a step-back and watch for a year while working as a commentator for Fox. It also seems that KC is in about the same position the Ravens were in 1999. Billick was replacing an older established coach, Ted Marcabroda, the Ravens of '96-98 scored a lot of points, especially with QB Vinny Testeverde, but couldn't stop the other team from scoring.