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RustShack
12-23-2008, 07:27 PM
Is any of their stock changing as we get closer to the end? Whos better Pro and why?

I know I know... REPOST!

eazyb81
12-23-2008, 07:28 PM
Things won't change much until the combine. However, it will be interesting to see how Bradford performs against the speed of Florida's defense.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-23-2008, 07:28 PM
Pretty sure Stafford's stock over Bradford would only climb after the combine if they both decide to come out.

BigMeatballDave
12-23-2008, 07:29 PM
I'm looking forward to watching Stafford in the Capital One Bowl.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 07:30 PM
Hope that in workouts Bradford is better than expected if you want Stafford because I'm not sure any QB can beat Stafford in a combine style workout.

What you need to hope for if you want Bradford to go higher is he tests good enough while having the better stats so the Lions go "hey we like him more cause he produced more"

jaa1025
12-23-2008, 09:53 PM
Josh Freeman will destroy every QB in COMBINE workouts and he and Stafford will be the likely only two that compete out of the big 3. Bradford probably won't because he doesn't have the strongest throwing arm. Stafford and Freeman have cannons and can only help themselves. I bet Freeman has the highest wonderlic score of all the QB's.

Tribal Warfare
12-23-2008, 10:01 PM
Hope that in workouts Bradford is better than expected if you want Stafford because I'm not sure any QB can beat Stafford in a combine style workout.

What you need to hope for if you want Bradford to go higher is he tests good enough while having the better stats so the Lions go "hey we like him more cause he produced more"

I think the Lions will go for a QB through FA or trade since they have a multitude of holes, and their fans want a quick fix.

blueballs
12-23-2008, 10:14 PM
when your practically 0-16
nothing is out of the question

bdeg
12-24-2008, 12:45 AM
From what I've watched, Bradford is great at fitting the ball through tight windows, especially on 15-20y passes. Very accurate. Stafford has a great arm and may have better upside, but haven't seen as much of him as I'd like to; bad o-line and receivers hold him back.

If we were to pick Bradford we shouldn't start him in year 1. Actually, they both need a little polishing.

RustShack
12-24-2008, 12:59 AM
You've seen Bradford throw it in a tight window?

mylittlepony
12-24-2008, 01:24 AM
You've seen Bradford throw it in a tight window?

The TD 20-0 against Nebraska (downfield into double coverage on a rope)
The TD 34-28 against Texas (from under center. Rollout. On the run perfectly in the corner of the End zone)

Spring to mind but there are lots more.

BigMeatballDave
12-24-2008, 01:26 AM
From what I've watched, Bradford is great at fitting the ball through tight windows, especially on 15-20y passes. Really? Seems to me his passes are always to wide open recievers.

bdeg
12-24-2008, 02:06 AM
Really? Seems to me his passes are always to wide open recievers.
Yes. When he needs to go downfield he can. It might not always be visible because OU's receivers are good at getting open. IMO better than Stafford at fitting it between whoever has immediate coverage and the safety, but I'll give Stafford the edge on throwing the deep ball which is Thigpen's biggest problem.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 07:26 AM
Why in the Hell would we want the Lions to take the better of the two QBs, so we can have Grbac part two.

topher79
12-24-2008, 07:47 AM
Say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to Stafford.

suds79
12-24-2008, 07:49 AM
I think the Lions will go for a QB through FA or trade since they have a multitude of holes, and their fans want a quick fix.

I'm starting to think is a serious possibility.

After 0-16 they're going to need a vet QB to get some wins... Maybe they can land Cassell?

suds79
12-24-2008, 07:50 AM
Say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to Stafford.

Solid post. Great points. And large font really nails it. :rolleyes:

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 07:52 AM
I'm starting to think is a serious possibility.

After 0-16 they're going to need a vet QB to get some wins... Maybe they can land Cassell?
Why can't they do BOTH? I'm certain they will. A competent coach and GM won't just rest on grabbing a veteran QB.

ChiefGator
12-24-2008, 08:14 AM
From what I've watched, Bradford is great at fitting the ball through tight windows, especially on 15-20y passes. Very accurate. Stafford

This can't be accurate. The only reason Bradford looks so good is because nobody ever bothers to cover his receivers. They are just allowed to run free downfield.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 08:18 AM
This can't be accurate. The only reason Bradford looks so good is because nobody ever bothers to cover his receivers. They are just allowed to run free downfield.:clap:

suds79
12-24-2008, 08:56 AM
Why can't they do BOTH? I'm certain they will. A competent coach and GM won't just rest on grabbing a veteran QB.

Sure that could happen and just might. But think Cassell is young enough and have shown enough that if a team pays him the big bucks, they're not looking for him to be a stop-gap kind of guy.

Some team (if he gets away from the Pats) probably will be looking for him to be "THE" guy.

Reerun_KC
12-24-2008, 08:58 AM
This can't be accurate. The only reason Bradford looks so good is because nobody ever bothers to cover his receivers. They are just allowed to run free downfield.

People are so enamored with his stats, that they fail to see the obvious...

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 08:59 AM
Sure that could happen and just might. But think Cassell is young enough and have shown enough that if a team pays him the big bucks, they're not looking for him to be a stop-gap kind of guy.

Some team (if he gets away from the Pats) probably will be looking for him to be "THE" guy.I don't think the Pats will let Cassell walk without compensation-they'll tag him and try and trade or even hang on to him for insurance in case Brady has complications.

Darth CarlSatan
12-24-2008, 09:01 AM
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Say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to Foot In Mouth.
FYP.

Solid post. Great points. And large font really nails it. :rolleyes:

ROFLROFLROFL

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 09:02 AM
I have this sinking feeling that the Lions are going to grab Cassell in FA and then go OT with the 1st pick. I don't know why...but I just have that feeling.

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 09:04 AM
I don't think the Pats will let Cassell walk without compensation-they'll tag him and try and trade or even hang on to him for insurance in case Brady has complications.

I could see Detroit giving the Patriots a 2nd round pick this year and a pick in next years draft for him. Either that or they'll swap 1sts and give them a 3rd.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-24-2008, 09:07 AM
Josh Freeman will destroy every QB in COMBINE workouts and he and Stafford will be the likely only two that compete out of the big 3. Bradford probably won't because he doesn't have the strongest throwing arm. Stafford and Freeman have cannons and can only help themselves. I bet Freeman has the highest wonderlic score of all the QB's.

Your mother should have swallowed you when she had the chance.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 09:10 AM
I could see Detroit giving the Patriots a 2nd round pick this year and a pick in next years draft for him. Either that or they'll swap 1sts and give them a 3rd.I think Cassell will not make us much on the open market as he and his agent believe he will. I really don't believe the Lions are going to pursue Cassell, unless he becomes an outright FA-they have too many holes to fill, to give up draft picks for players with ONE YEAR on their resume and wasn't even a starter in college. I think Cassell is average at best and certainly not worth giving up first day picks for.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-24-2008, 09:10 AM
I could see Detroit giving the Patriots a 2nd round pick this year and a pick in next years draft for him. Either that or they'll swap 1sts and give them a 3rd.

ROFL...

No one is going to give up over 2000 points of draft value for Matt fucking Cassell. No one.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 09:10 AM
Your mother should have swallowed you when she had the chance.:D

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 09:12 AM
ROFL...

No one is going to give up over 2000 points of draft value for Matt fucking Cassell. No one.

Dude....it's the Detroit Lions.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-24-2008, 09:14 AM
I think Cassell will not make us much on the open market as he and his agent believe he will. I really don't believe the Lions are going to pursue Cassell, unless he becomes an outright FA-they have too many holes to fill, to give up draft picks for players with ONE YEAR on their resume and wasn't even a starter in college. I think Cassell is average at best and certainly not worth giving up first day picks for.

Scott Mitchell springs to mind, as does Matt Schaub. At least he has proven he's not a corpse under center.

With that said, Schaub only brought two seconds and a swap from 8-10. For Cassell to justify going from 1 to 25 and another third, you are talking about 2400 points in value, which would be equivalent to trading 5 early-mid 2nd round draft picks for him.

Detoxing
12-24-2008, 09:15 AM
I think Cassell will not make us much on the open market as he and his agent believe he will. I really don't believe the Lions are going to pursue Cassell, unless he becomes an outright FA-they have too many holes to fill, to give up draft picks for players with ONE YEAR on their resume and wasn't even a starter in college. I think Cassell is average at best and certainly not worth giving up first day picks for.

It's Lions we're talking about right? We are talking about the same Lions?

Darth CarlSatan
12-24-2008, 09:17 AM
Your mother should have swallowed you when she had the chance.

ROFL

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 09:28 AM
Scott Mitchell springs to mind, as does Matt Schaub. At least he has proven he's not a corpse under center.

With that said, Schaub only brought two seconds and a swap from 8-10. For Cassell to justify going from 1 to 25 and another third, you are talking about 2400 points in value, which would be equivalent to trading 5 early-mid 2nd round draft picks for him.

I didn't mean from 1 to 25. I meant swapping their other 1st round pick (#22) (from Dallas). That plus their 3rd round pick would be worth around 300-400 points.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 09:52 AM
I didn't mean from 1 to 25. I meant swapping their other 1st round pick (#22) (from Dallas). That plus their 3rd round pick would be worth around 300-400 points.They can get an elite QB in the draft and keep their picks. Use FA for other holes. The top pick should be an elite prospect, giving that away for Cassell and a lower first rounder sounds like they would be shooting themselves in the foot-sorry to rain on your parade. Just my measley two cents.

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 09:56 AM
They can get an elite QB in the draft and keep their picks. Use FA for other holes. The top pick should be an elite prospect, giving that away for Cassell and a lower first rounder sounds like they would be shooting themselves in the foot-sorry to rain on your parade. Just my measley two cents.

Did you just read any fucking thing I said? I didn't say giving away the #1 pick overall. It would be them moving from #22 to #25. So instead of drafting Stafford with their 1st pick....they could get Cassell by swapping their later 1st round pick, grab an OT with the #1 pick. Then grab another player with the #25 pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Did you just read any fucking thing I said? I didn't say giving away the #1 pick overall. It would be them moving from #22 to #25. So instead of drafting Stafford with their 1st pick....they could get Cassell by swapping their later 1st round pick, grab an OT with the #1 pick. Then grab another player with the #25 pick.

Given that the Pats are the cocksuckers that they are, I'd almost guarantee they tag and trade Cassell for a similar package to what Schaub got. Minnesota would be one of the few places I could see willing to pay that price.

BigChiefFan
12-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Did you just read any ****ing thing I said? I didn't say giving away the #1 pick overall. It would be them moving from #22 to #25. So instead of drafting Stafford with their 1st pick....they could get Cassell by swapping their later 1st round pick, grab an OT with the #1 pick. Then grab another player with the #25 pick.Yea, I missed that part and I tried to be civil, as well. Since we're getting down to brass tacks, I don't get your fixation with Boy Wonder, Cassell, so I haven't really been reading your every word with baited breath-sorry. You first started off with getting Cassell in FA and then changed it to a trade scenario-when you change horses in mid-stream, it's kind of hard to keep up.

Pestilence
12-24-2008, 10:13 AM
Yea, I missed that part and I tried to be civil, as well. Since we're getting down to brass tacks, I don't get your fixation with Boy Wonder, Cassell, so I haven't really been reading your every word with baited breath-sorry. You first started off with getting Cassell in FA and then changed it to a trade scenario-when you change horses in mid-stream, it's kind of hard to keep up.

I started off with Cassell in FA but then was reminded that the Pats are dicks and would probably tag him. I didn't start off with switching the #1 pick for the #25 pick.....I just had to explain that because people took it the wrong way.

And I don't have a fixation with the boy wonder. I think he sucks...but it's the Lions were talking about....not a real team with a real GM.